HIVE: No Votes, No Attention - Thinking of Giving up?
I know the feeling...
'...What does this guy know.., the one who is always on Trending?...'
Yes, what do I know... do you think I started on Trending? I was a nobody once, nobody gave a toss about my content and nobody gave me any votes.
So let me give you some advice if that title is in your mind. Nothing comes easy and if you are not of a tenacious mind then it's best if you do leave.
'…but… but, he gets votes from whales all the time…'
Yes, and I am grateful for their support but in an instant, they may change and stop giving me support. Never take anything for granted, and don't expect anything to continue.
Let me tell you where this is all coming from. At the recent HIVEFest 7, I was chatting to @tdctunes about the past and STEEM days.
He casually commented that I am a walking blockchain encyclopedia, especially about the negative aspects.
When I joined STEEM on the 2nd March 2018 I had no idea of what was coming. Like many, I expected much and when barely anything happened fast I got despondent quickly.
If I hadn't connected with @steevc very early, I would have left.., there is no doubt.
These are my first posts; three of them gained me a total of $0.00. The third post took me a couple of hours to put together. Steemit (the UI) was terrible and hindered my progress.
I distinctly remember the time of posting '6 Progressive Rock Song Gems - Gold Nuggets dug from the depths you may not have heard before' thinking ‘this is the big one’.
I waited for those enormous votes to come in (that didn't happen) but noted I was getting a lot of followers.
What were these followers, they all had strange names and were made up of numbers? Little did I know they were BOT accounts and quite useless.
So nobody was interested in 'Gold Nuggets'? I didn't do myself any favours by self-voting the post and placing as the last sentence, 'If you enjoyed this article please upvote it and I will return the favour.'
Follow for follow, tut tut…, this isn't Facebook.
There was no STEEM Behaviour manual, and things have not changed, there is no HIVE one…, you learn as you go along..., the hard way.
Then @steevc followed me. Bloody hell, a dolphin and look at the value of his account..., $38,000!
Now... I am going to be rich!
That pivotal turning point was the end of the $0.00 posts and I am grateful for the community to be in that club. Perhaps @arcange can give us badges, 'Honorary members of the $0.00 club'?
Things were hardly improving after 9 days and I was beginning to despair.
I was pumping out impressive content such as 'A lone rabbit on steroids that lives on a corporate compound - a strange sight.' that included stock photographs without sources and the even better 'Seagulls don't like applause' and yet I wasn’t appearing on Trending?
This was totally shit (like Blurt), and I was going to blurt it out (not that Blurt), in public and I didn’t care if they flagged me.
I had learned about flagging (now downvoting) quite recently but was determined to show my displeasure concerning this huge injustice.
@steevc's post about STEEM dropping in popularity was the trigger point. They were going to turn against me like a pack of savage wolves, I knew it!
I was shocked by the response and felt this was a crossroads. Anything remotely bad and I would have powered down and left.
Have you felt like this? Now you can see... ‘that guy who is always on trending’ has been where you are now.
@steevc did not judge or condone. He sympathised and if anything gave me more support on my er... 'quality posts'.
That’s what kind of a person he is, he’s one of the good guys and I will always remember that.
...'@grumpycat terrified STEEM people with large flags, I wasn't going to tangle with that horrific monster cat!...
What did I do? I bought more STEEM, tried harder, joined @thesteemengine and learned about @grumpycat.
@catweasel (from the curation group, @thesteemengine (RIP)) and anti-grumpycat group (@the-resistance), tried to get me to join his crusade against @grumpycat. I was a little tiddler, no fucking chance I was going to tangle with that wild animal!
Six months later, at @steevc's insistence.., I joined an anti-abuse group. This was both good and bad and opened my eyes to the mass abuse that was taking place on STEEM.
The post rewards were still not getting better, but my SP (STEEM Power) was increasing. It’s not all about your HP or SP wallet size (although that is a significant factor), but how the community perceives you. I was buying, and lots.
In early September 2018, I committed to attend Steemfest 3. It was overwhelming, I felt out of place and intimidated by these 'Whales' and 'Orca's' but had attained the status of Dolphin by then.
I had bought into STEEM, and maybe, just maybe people were starting to notice.
During Day 2, I met @tarazkp and felt he was some kind of writing god. He actually hailed me, we had a short chat and he then wandered off with @crimsonclad on to one of those round table things that remind me of the corporate office.
…’I need to get this dude to follow me’…
Whenever @steevc re-STEEM'd my posts, @tarazkp would give me a vote. Eventually, he did follow me but took his bloody time about it!
These days I chat daily with @tarazkp and some others in a private discord group, mostly about shit, booze, loose-women, brothels, and sometimes about HIVE.
In October 2018 this came into my head, that's when 'Tales of the Urban Explorer' was born.
Now, most of my posts are prefixed with this title. This is what I do.
Ask yourself..., 'what do I do?'
The community seems to like this content. It’s quite unique, it’s fucking dangerous and keeps me on the edge.
May 2019. I was thinking to myself, 'why does that @meesterboom bloke get lots of votes'. I wanted to be where he was, so how could I do that?
I looked at his content, and found he had a certain style. A niche as I would call it. I contacted him via Discord and we connected like a house on fire. Being from the same island helped and from the frosty north probably a little more.
Could I adapt my niche and steal a little of his ideas? More than once he had me laughing out-loud in the workplace and I had to quickly shut up or expose STEEM to my colleagues.
...'Huel takes some beating and had me howling. Replacing work colleagues with names such as Sick-Line was different, unique and kind of dangerous if they discovered this derogatory story-writing he was doing' - Source
Adding some humour to Urban Exploring seemed apt and appeared to work. I have to credit him for nicking his style.., just a little.
I can't suggest to you to copy my style and it will get you on Trending. For me, it just happened slowly over almost 5 years but there's usually a reason why certain authors always seem to be there.
I found my niche; if you want to stand out then find yours and make sure nobody else is doing the same. Be different, be unique.
Here are a few tips for you…
Create content that either educates or makes people laugh.
Consider using a little profanity in your content, this is not Facebook, you won't get banned and it adds spice.
Do you have a 2016 account and a vote that's worth 1c? Your level of commitment speaks volumes. Why should the community give you large votes if you send it all the Binance?
How about a new account, born yesterday? You might get some initial support but it will likely dwindle. Long content is king, this might not feel right to you... it just is!
Don't ignore comments on your posts, always respond.
If you want instant rewards, leave the HP powered up, convert the HBD and sell that. I powered up ALL my rewards for a good two years before extracting a cent, but that's me!
Don't be tempted to steal anyone else' content, or use others' images without sourcing them. @hivewatchers will find you; there are people actively looking for abuse.
Make sure it looks good, it needs to be presentable. Use Grammarly to fix spelling mistakes, it's free to use.
Persevere, just like I did. You will be ‘working’ for less than minimum wage, but don’t count it as ‘work’.
I have well over 200 'Tales' posts on the chain. Where else could I have released all this content? Reddit.., yes.., but they don't dish out HIVE.
...'find your niche, but don't expect miracles overnight, even the early 'Tales' posts didn't do so well'...
Lastly, don’t expect ANYTHING from ANYONE. You are entitled to fuck all, so think that way. If you get down-voted then big deal, move on.
It's usually nothing personal, though that feeling is tough to shrug off. If you look into why it happened deep enough, you will get your answers.
Do you like posting your Urbex content and photography for FREE on Facebook and YouTube? I like to get some form of reward for my work and every time I create I do just that. Take a look at The Urbex Community on HIVE.
If you want to keep creating for FREE then ignore what you are reading. If you want to be like me and gain something other than BUGGER ALL for your work then click here and learn about posting on the HIVE blockchain.
If you found this article so invigorating that you are now a positively googly-eyed, drooling lunatic with dripping saliva or even if you liked it just a bit, then please upvote, comment, rehive, engage me or all of these things.
Jaichai doesn't deserve getting zeroed out by mester and taraz crew. What's the point?
No idea, you could ask them?
Tag them please, maybe they can clear up why they are ganging up on him.
I still maintain everything I said.
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And instead of being upfront, what's the reason for zeroing out jaichai? Is there a reason, however unreasonable it may be?
BTW faggot extraordinaire? How many times did you stood up to @fagbernie?
I believe the reason is posting low effort content multiple times a day and self-voting it. I would need to go back and check, something I'm unlikely to bother doing, same as clicking on blurt links.
That guy should start again, his account was hardly known anyway. A couple of decent posts a day, some positive interactions with producers of content on a similar vein, and he'd be ahead of where he was in no time.
His votes hardly amount to anything, maybe not even enough to surpass the dust level, maybe vote for him, you know, exemplify what hive is about instead of being a moron that's micromanaging how a sub 100 hive minnow votes, which isn't in any tangible way hurting the network, but you certainly are by giving others the impression of a high bar for a meager artist to reach over, so high that you regard his effort as inconsiderable.
A few times on chain, a few times off chain. Same as I did with other large accounts I thought were not playing fair.
It was very depressing researching into the multiple account, self-voting days of Steem, I either had to stop looking, or leave the network.
I understand you'd rather the latter happened, and think that I've earned far more here than deserved. You are entitled to your opinion, but with a post a day since the beginning of 2018, I'd likely have 3x what I have now.
I don't think anyone should abandon hive, even Bernie, he might have had his shortcomings but I like to think he wanted the best for the network and that he certainly had his strengths. I also think that the 2017 whale experiment showed that those at the top can have an incredible impact on growth and the subsequent drive to invest not just time and effort but precious resources into the network as well. It was made possible by downvoting, quite ironically, and the impact it had was so large and self evident that the two week experiment was maintained for over two months. Now, instead of encouraging the minnows into investing, you're chasing them away with your and others sour look at things. It seems you're still not greatful for what you have, just stingy and fickle, petty and unreasonable, building a great echo chamber and oblivious to what brings more eyes to the network.
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Noticing a slow down in active Hive users last weeks, must be the low price.
If there are less people, the ones who remain get a larger slice of the rewards. Watch them all flood back when we hit the next bull run. It's always the same.
One of the things that shows always to me is consistancy and trying to do something good for the community. Whether if it is participating in hivecleaners, or meetups, curation, or powering up or sharing a whatever...there is literally zero guarantees that this will do anything about the amount of rewards you are receiving but how corny it may sound, that shouldn’t be the main game in the end. But doing something for the chain or for people who need it does feel good!
But on the rewards on posts? I think over these last almost 5 years my rewards have gone up and down and left and right, but as long as I enjoy dicking away on hive...To me it is fine.
I have posting gaps in times of flagwars of when the takeover was. There was no fun then to me involved as a simple user. The vibe should be good.
Werent you also in some flagwars a long time ago that you downvoted a while? Am I remembering this correct?
I am still part of an anti-abuse group so yes.., it's happened on numerous occasions. In today's HIVE there is a lot less than in the STEEM days. I have a script I run every week or so that finds anything blatantly bad.
It's bee several weeks since I found anything besides plenty of users with 50HP or so just voting from themselves. I don't think they understand the dust vote threshold.
No I mean more that there were people flagging you while you were just doing something good? Was that the case? I remember some flagwars having collateral damage in there
Oh those, I try and keep away if possible.
I had a similar story with steem. Like you previously said there was no manual, and I really didn’t know what I was doing. My posts were making next to no impact, and then I noticed all of the posts that made the trending lists seemed to be buying votes. I was sure this was the way they kickstarted the upvotes process, so I did the same. This technique seemed to be working. When I was trending I got more exposure, and was getting much more upvotes. Whilst I was watching the rewards increasing on one particular post, I noticed steevc downvoted it and eventually I made it onto one of his naughty lists, which wiped out all of my rewards. After getting over the original annoyance (which included a few sarky reply’s) both Steevc and yourself explained a few things to me, and gave me some very good advice, which I still stick to. Without that exact interaction, both myself and my girlfriend would have left the platform I’m sure. That was a few years ago now, but thank you both for that. 👍
LOL, I remember this.. anything bad and my memory is perfect hehe.., I am glad you stuck around and @bettynoir. You have your own little niches and are quite different. This is why I support the both of you.
I don't want to drive good people away, but sometimes you need to get their attention when they are doing things wrong. I don't even remember what it was in your case, but I hope we can be friends now. I don't seem to have to downvote so much these days, but I am ready to when it is justified. Hive is worth defending from abusers.
Ha. It’s all good Steevc. It was a lesson learned many years ago, and the 2 of you dealt with it well, and have been very approachable, and incredibly helpful ever since.
I've tried to be constructive with people. I would rather they learnt something and changed their ways than have them leave. So glad you stuck around.
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BEER.Speaking for myself, I can only write about things that interest me. Certainly I hope there is a cross section of hive users who share some of the same interests and it gets me some upvotes. It's been hit or miss but that's fine.
Also, one of the things that you have to learn and accept is that it isn't entirely about effort. Certainly the importance of quality posts can't be overstated but it isn't always (or even usually) the posts you put the most work into that get the biggest upvotes. Just like the free market, it's more about what people want than how much work you do.
The other key of course is to build up your followers. You probably aren't going to have very many people upvoting your posts if you don't have very many followers. This means you have to interact...not just broadcast. Read other people's posts and join in the conversation.
I remember a time thinking, 'this is the killer post' and being very disappointed with it's reward gains. Then at other times, I could do what I call a semi shit-post and it did remarkably well.
In the past, I always saw HIVE (and STEEM) as different phases, and a HF marked a change. Especially when things such as the 75/25 changed to 50/50 and the community decided bid-bots where going to die. There have been many and it fascinates me.
Not wrong; walking encyclopedia indeed!
The other value, which doesn't have a vote or hive dollar figure on it, is getting better at writing. There's something in that too ;)
Yes, it's an incredible tool to improve your writing skills and literacy. Before I joined or knew about STEEM, I had around 1500 words of 'The Horrors of Kwiksave' written. I didn't know what to do with the partial story..., then I found the answer.
I would say my literacy skills were pretty good; but avoided creative writing at all costs!! Now I embrace two creative prompts in different communities each week. It's funny how just taking that one risk can change perspective. I had to google 'Kwiksave'; glad you also had the outlet to finish the piece.
Well.. I have and haven't. I originally wrote it during 2018 and then decided to re-write it, and the newer version, is still unfinished. TBH, I need a kick up the arse and to get on with it!
You totally hit the nail on the head here I think. You can include me in the group when you say "speaking for myself".
Valuable tips, thanks for sharing, the points you mentioned make perfect sense and I'm glad I got here in your post.
I think I identify a little with this “why aren't they voting for me?” moment. and now I can say that I am calmer, because I am on the right path!
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Thank you for sharing your experience. I have been on Hive for 10 months now. I never expected to get so much recognition for my work in such a short time. However, I had the advantage of having found my niche 10 years ago. So I didn't have to invent anything "new" for Hive.
Around early 2019 a friend told me about Light Painting. I had no idea what it was, and its relationship with UX. Now there's a whole community. It's good your niche fits here.
I am very happy to be part of the community here. On Facebook and Instagram it was most about envy, jealousy and bullshit like "follow for follow". I deleted my IG and FB and I am very happy without these stupid so called social media.
The UX community is filled with all that bullshit. I add my content on FB deliberately a year late. I don't give a crap about it but have still amassed around 900 followers. Despite having that section in my footer about HIVE, I barely ever get anyone asking about it. Their loss.
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This is an awesome post. I love posts when people talk about their beginnings. I too was in the 0% club. For some time. And then the single cents club.
I am pleased if I have helped even a little influence you in any way.
It is hard starting out here. I am glad that steevc managed to find you before you imploded and went full 'blurt'
I talked to @steevc at HF7 about all the shit we have seen over the years and there's lots! The bernie days, grumpycat, steemflagrewards and it's controversies. Could we bring some of those memories back in chapters? I could only do things from when I joined as I was late.
It's an idea and I added a little of it to this post. So much has come and gone, the newer people I am sure would be fascinated by it all. This is why I try and coax knowledge out of the OG users.
Where would I have gone, I could have been the Blurt founder!
There is definitely room for a Horrible Hive Histories!
There has never been a shortage of drama. Reward curves and bidbots and the experiment by smooth and abit.
I almost think fondly of it!
Now there's a title. I feel something coming on!
Hehe, get in!
I used to run downstairs super excited when a post made over $0.25. I'd go tell my wife and she would literally say
"Penny, penny, penny, penny"
and then pretend to "make it rain" with change.
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Hehe, it was quite something to have earning for what seemed like little! I got mad excited when I breached fifty cents for a poem!
Yeah yeah. I know the feeling of that as well 😁
I think that's why I liked this post so much. It's good that newbs and not so newbs get a glimpse that we have all been there!
Yes I agree, totally
I love it, I love your success story, the fact that you persevered through all of that is something that I really need to hear now and motivate me to be consistent and persistent. Like they say, nothing good comes easy and that's 100% true.
You are really lucky you found your niche, I do read your tales once in a while and it is truly interesting, I do hope I get to find my niche and stay consistent no matter how well I get support. I do love having good comments and followers as well, if what I do can get that, then I guess the journey to the top will still be a very fun one.
I'm so honored and privilege to have read this, thank you so much for the advice you have given, I will keep them in mind 🙏.
I see you have been around for a while now. Just keep going and build up your HP. That makes a difference. You won't believe how many people will snoop at your wallet size and judge you from it. It's not right but that's how it is.
I will sir, thank you so much for the advice. I actually have a goal of growing my Hp to 1800 before the end of the year and I really do hope I achieve that.
Have a fabulous day moving forward ❤️.
Fantastic, I hope you make it.
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Ditto, although I've only had one of those things change in the last five years!
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I must not be as funny as I think I am then... Honestly, it is still pretty hit or miss what people like these days. I threw together a really awesome post a week or so ago that should have done really well and it pretty much fell flat. It sucks. I've been here a little longer than you and my posts do decent, but I still find myself wondering if it is worth it some days. So what is your advice for people who do all the stuff you mentioned above or feel like they do all the stuff and they still don't hit trending regularly? Don't tell me I need to start climbing into crack houses in Flint, MI and risk losing my other nut in a hail of gunfire...
Now that might work, you have the basis of a start 😀
Doing it for the wrong reasons? I don't know where I would place my 'Tales' if I didn't have HIVE. It's like a repository for me, same with the 'Horrors' series. The rewards are great but having that work on here is fantastic and being immutable, even better.
I guess I am not creative enough for all of that. I'm not really complaining, I've pretty much accepted I am kind of a nobody on here. Might help if I could make it to hivefest one day. I also gave up on doing it for the rewards a long time ago. It's still nice to see that whale love every now and then.
Your content is awesome. If only I had 1% of your talent.
Ok, I'm relatively new to Hive (joined 9months ago), and I know I have a long way to go and many things to learn, but when I see how long it took you to make a name for yourself (and your writing talent is light-years away from mine) it doesn't fill me with optimism...
Anyways, hope is alive, but my moral is low.
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I just sent you a vote. I used to get 4c a post, it's hardly inspiring and I know the feeling. I don't feel I am a special writer, there are authors on HIVE that make a living doing it. I start writing and it flows out, I can't explain any better.
I just saw you vote! Thank you very much! 💖
I like to write in this type of blockchain platforms, there are things that seem to me innovative compared to web 2.0, although it reads somewhat trite, it is a matter of interacting, attending activities whether in person or virtual and not be pigeonholed with "yes they will vote for me or not they will vote for me", without the proper artificial intelligence by the anguish rather the level of old age is triggered.
How many times has a writer, a musician, a film producer had to fail in order to improve and achieve recognition which later would lead to fame and abundance?
Cracking post, and a lot of good advice there for us noobs - thanks for that. I do very strongly agree with your point about responding to comments. At the end of the day, Hive is a community, and interaction is therefore very important ! And I appreciate all of the replies you have given me over the months since I've been following your urban explorer tales !
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I hope you stick around, there are many who leave after just weeks. Keep some HP in your account and don't take it all out - build it up, that is good advice.
Your writing will improve over time, I know mine has.
This reminded me of some people complaining a lot about their posts not getting the support they deserve and talking about money. Many do not understand that this is like agriculture. You need to do the hard work before you can harvest and that doesnt guarantee your work will bear fruit. It was a really interesting message and something that boosted my mood since today I was feeling blue. Maybe it's all the rain that's been pouring down lately.
That's not a bad analogy. I came here with the attitude of 'cash grab', take the money an run. There was little in the way of curation groups in March 2018, beside @curie who picked up on me in a short period of time. Maybe I could write then.. just a bit!
I came here to develope my writing skills further to get my head deep into fiction. However, I'm far from that since I just went ahead into content creation as a luthier and musician. And it has suited me better. I despise the idea of writing in a timetable. Makes me too anxious to do anything good.
I always thank the guys at curangel for helping me when I came back to the Blockchain. They really made my blog what it is today.
I absolutely loved my days with The Steem Engine! It's what kept me going for so long and it's sad that most of the main leaders in that group have disappeared (I just recently reappeared from a long break)! It's good to see a lot of the members have moved over here though. I agree that it's nice to have some big people follow, but that's not a guarantee that they'll continue to follow you. You just have to keep doing your thing I think and just hope your amazing content will catch an eye or two!
@thesteemengine is where I learned the ropes and I remember you being part of it. What a laugh we had, another chapter of the STEEM universe.
Crawls through busted windows in abandoned buildings but won't climb his own roof to clean tiles.
The value is always exciting but I'll never forget the first time I got double digit votes—10! Then it was back to 9 or less for however many months but that first 10 was fucking rock start status.
Well I'm glad you stuck it out, not so sure about the profanity shit though.
Bah, she's much lighter than me, and I have vertigo issues.., yeah really!
LOL, you could have added a 'fuck' to that statement just to over-emphasise things.
It seems I may be responsible for a few people sticking around. I just hate to see good folk leave. We need them. I can look back at my early posts when I was making nothing whilst some were making over $10k on a post, due to different algorithms. I did not invest as much as you, but I was really active. That got me known, so that many people knew who I was when I went to Lisbon.
You do seem to remember stuff better than me. There just been so much stuff over the years. It would be interesting to go back through posts to see what happened.
I do miss some of the humorous accounts like @dickbutt and @lordvader. I have no idea who was behind them, but they made me laugh. Vader is still voting, but I wonder if the owner has even looked at it. Lots of zombie accounts out there.
I find it all fascinating. We have some arseholes, but also a lot of fun and talented folk. Those who just complain tend to get driven away as we don't need their negative vibes, but then I don't tend to downvote over differences in opinion.
I'm so glad you stuck around. We can be part of something amazing if it eventually takes off.
Some accounts are an easier trawl than others. It took forever to get back to the early 2018's on your content and even longer to find that elusive comment I made.
I added the source so it doesn't get lost again and the full monty can be read.
There's nothing like it anywhere. It all stays, though some of the STEEM images are now gone.
It's like a trip down memory lane. @meesterboom's Huel post was 4 years ago. Incredible.., it seems like just yesterday.
Some posts do stick in the mind. Someone mentioned my Haejin is a bully post the other day. That got some activity. Remember @lyndsaybowes? I think Bernie had it in for her. The 'drama' we see these days is nothing to what we had back then.
You found it, that post had heaps of comments, I will look again after this comment.
She's still here as @lynds, a revamped version!
I need a database or some diagrams to keep track of who is who and who likes/hates who. The core community is still pretty small. It could all be quite different if more of the 2 million+ accounts were active. The dynamics would change.
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I wonder if Hive will ever reach that level again. Those were crazy days! Some people could actually live off of Steem rewards. Well, I suppose some still can in countries where the cost of living is low. Not so much in the US/UK.
There were a few living off it, but the reward curve was different then. If $HIVE could go to a few dollars then we'd see some $1000 posts, but only for a few people. I just want to see what can happen.
What is a Zombie account?
I would say it is one that may be operating with automatic votes, but the owner may not have access any more. People have been known to lose their keys. There are some that still vote, but have not done anything else for a year or more.
There are also some where the keys were stolen using phishing or other techniques, but most of those have been drained of funds, so have no effect on rewards.
Ah I see.
There are some bloody huge stakes in some of those zombie accounts, a deep dive I did in to this last year shocked me some enormous fees locked up, seemingly forever...
I always assumed the fishy skeleton usually meant 72 cents worth of stake or something similar had gone to waste but not so, there's a vast amount of Hive in the ether.
I wonder how many of those gone today believed their few cents of Hive would never be worth anything really. I have never doubted that our blockchain and community would experience stratospheric growth when the world catches up with and catches on to Web3, I have zero doubt on this, never have had.
The learning curve to get involved with blockchain and crypto will become simpler and more streamlined and indeed, commonplace in the future, this in my opinion will be the gamechanger.
When people are managing their mortgage on a blockchain, their parcel delivery on a blockchain, checking their pension on a blockchain Hive will no longer be an alien concept and the proposition of being rewarded for your content rather than having it sold will become all the sweeter.
This gives the infrastructure time to grow in order to cope with that swell when it arrives as it surely will.
I saw something saying the guy who owned the ranchorelaxo account lost their keys, so can't take delegation away from haejin or power down. I know of other accounts with hundred or even thousands of HIVE that seem abandoned. Mind you there's some large percentage of BTC that is though to be unreachable due to lost keys.
These may still be early days for blockchain adoption and we are the pioneers. I have some less techie friends who happily use it, but they need to be aware of the security risks.
One great lesson life has thought me is that there is no overnight great man. Every great man has a humble and hardworking beginning. My very early understanding that Hive is not a get rich quick scheme has given built me strong.
I love the level of your encouragement and sharing your experience with references to $0.00 post is really great.
Cheers 🍻
I had to do this, I am quite aware that I get 'up there' a lot. It sucked when I first started. The number of 'fuck this I am out' moments were common.
eu mesmo já pensei em desistir sem ate mesmo conhecer potencial hive e de sua comunidade.
It was the same for me in the beginning like everyone. The more one becomes active here the more h/she will reap the rewards.
As I mentioned in my post today;
Just as it requires effort to achieve something in life, it also requires effort to grow your account on HIVE.
Grow your account, and don't shit-post (unless you are @trumpman, he's an exception!), it will take time.. lots of it.
Nice post yeah sometimes people will feel that. 🤔 even sometimes my post reaches $0.XX. But, I'm grateful that someone votes for my posts even if it's not a giveaway. 🤗 I like your tips 👍
This is a lovely one, it's motivating
My understanding of this whole post:
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Excellent article, very good for all of us in #Hive, very useful, full of excellent data and very well designed... Thank you very much for sharing your experience @slobberchops friend!...
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Hope it helps you, we all started here at the bottom.
I really enjoyed reading your post because the experience of a user who has been here since 2018 always has great value because it comes from experience. As a moderator of a small Italian community I often get the question from new users: why don't I get votes?
I answer them that interaction is the key and, as you did, I show them my first $0.00 posts and from today I will let them read this post of yours as well.
I have read so many posts with advice on what content to publish but until now I had never read this advice:
I will remember this advice :)
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I could not have said this any better. You nailed it on so many levels. I definitely had a very similar journey. Many have. I remember writing (what I thought was) a phenomenal post and it only made $0.14 or something and then someone commented on it "Awesome post," or something like that, and it was voted up to $1.40 +/-. I was like "what the actual fuck!"
You really do have to just keep going in a situation like that, keep plugging away at it and not get too disheartened.
I do think that Hive is much different than Steemit though. People on here have a much better chance of being successful in general, especially if they take the advice that you offered. On Steemit the number of people who cared about the longevity of the platform were far outweighed by the people who wanted to take as much as they could as fast as they could. That really made steemit a rigged system on so many levels.
I rarely look on the STEEM blockchain now, do they have any dApp besides Steemit? It's mostly walls of indecipherable writing and is more geared to the Far East users.
The big vote out of nowhere, I remember those times.. and still do now. What a buzz!
I don't check it anymore either so I couldn't tell you. I'm just going by memory. Haha
A great article that can shed light on Hive, it will be more useful than many articles I have read as a guide. I don't expect much in a short time, I'm here and I'm not going anywhere. I'm evaluating the amounts I earn according to the ups and downs of the hive price and trying to convert it to HP. I'm here to make sure that the time that passes is to my advantage, I hope I will be successful. Thank you!
I see you are into your cinema review, it's a niche.. so keep at it. I sent you a vote to help you along. Keep stacking your HP, and vote for the smaller accounts.., they need it more than me.
Thank you, advice I will definitely consider and have a nice weekend ahead.
Thank you for telling us your story and giving us such valuable advice. It certainly inspires us, I loved reading this post and I am very impressed by the amount of tools we can count on when it comes to being in this great ecosystem. Thank you for your contribution, it is always good to hear the experience of people who have known how to battle.
Blessings 🤗🙏🏻🙏🏻
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I really enjoyed your post, although I don't read English well (I have to use the translator) and I guess I will have lost some of your humor. Your light and friendly style made my reading pleasant, and, above all, it cheered me up, since a week ago my account was hacked and everything was stolen (except the HP). Your advice is very appropriate. Thank you and best regards, @slobberchops.
Keep your keys safe, I have never been hacked. The active key should never be on your PC. I keep mine on a USB key in a .txt file that is not plugged in.
That's what I'm doing now, I even wrote them on paper. I won't have any of the keys on paper in the computer. Greeting, @slobberchops.
Fifteen minutes before reading your post, I was speaking with some people that were about to give up. I was telling them basically the same thing you explain here. Hive is not a short-distance race it's more like a marathon and you have to adapt yourself all the time to changes while keeping your personality.
Well done and congratulations!
To be honest, many will give up and there's little you can do about it. Even if you constantly support their work, it's a distinct type of person who will stick it out. Often I used the analogy, 'you can get more working for McDonalds', but only if you see it as work.
Yes, some of them already did...! 😞
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It's going to take you a week to answer all of the comments here as this is a great post.
Wise words and wise guys that you mention and we all had to start somewhere here on hive.
A Luta Continua.
LOL yes, I am going to bed after taking 90 minutes to respond to half of them! Will resume tomorrow.
It is tomorrow night and by now you should be done.
So hopefully you can give your fingers a bit of a rest Lol
Would you believe it, they are still coming.
Reminds me of a situation that I placed myself in at school. A teacher challenged me to really apply myself as she said that she believed in me and she knew that I only gave 50% attention to the tests.
So I proved her right and I got 100% full marks in a test. Oh woe was me as she showed the mark to all of the other teachers and I was done for. They all started expecting higher marks from me so I swore to myself that I will never ever get 100% again. And to this day I haven't!
So you got 100% for your post and if you want to avoid a mountain of work then all that I can say is to keep your head down, as the tallest trees catch most of the wind/work :)
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As you said,
By the way, I have always found it funny that people have the reaction like you did at Steemfest - I think I am pretty down to earth and approachable! :D
Thanks, my head is starting to swell. The niche was discovered purely by inquisitiveness. I only wish more explorers would get on here and do the same.
It's all down to that damn wallet size, and at the time yours was substantially fatter than mine. Did people avoid me in Amsterdam for that reason?, I fucking hope not.. I had a few alone moments and could have used conversation with anyone, this elitist thing I can do without.
I honestly feel like most big whales on here understand and watch what people do. Do they power down and cash it out or do they hold on to most if not all and power up. That right there is a big tell tail for me if someone is going to take hive seriously and contribute to it's growth or just cash out.
It takes a huge amount of effort and time and honestly even after 5 years I still make hardly nothing and that's ok. For me you can invest, stake and earn in other methods with Hive and the blogging side is just one aspect of it all. That's the beautiful thing with hive now compared to a few years ago. You can earn MORE in MORE ways it doesn't have to strictly be about blogging and then hoping someone drops a big fat upvote on you.
Speaking of myself, I do check an account and behavioral patterns if I am thinking of supporting small fish. If they are sending it all out, why should I bother? Yes.. it happens.
Splinterlands, Rising Star.. two areas I have capital in. They both yield dividends on to me.
You speak facts I agree with you sometimes I really feel like giving up but I remember the journey has just only begun
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Post of the Week and a must read.
People forget the grind that people go through to make it.
You guys that have been here years and have high reps are an inspiration to me.
You are even more of a legend to me... because you take the time to vote and respond to comments. Many others in your lofty status don't do that, and for that alone you have my 100% respect.
Thanks, it's taking a hell of a lot of effort to reply to all these, I tell ya!
jeje I know exactly what you mean!
There you go though, that is an example of why you are admired so much.
Enjoy your weekend😎
I've only been on Hive for 10 months and I'm doing pretty good, luckily my first few weeks were decent and got me pretty hooked and I got to meet a lot of cool people who I still check in on and who check in on me.
I do see a lot of accounts who seem to consistently get less than a euro even though they post regularly and write some decent stuff. I guess it comes down to engagement more than anything on here.
I've met some really cool people through being on Hive and being in a bunch of Discord servers and have had a good few laughs. I do occasionally write 'really good' posts that recieve less than a euro, but, the way I look at it and have done since joining, a euro is better than a kick up the arse.
Your post here is funny and insightful and I think it'll be great for new people to read this, to help with their motivation.
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I try and add some humour, sometimes subtly and other times outrageously. I blame that @meesterboom dude, it's his fault!
I added you to my voter script, it will help a little.
Hahaha I've read a bunch of his posts, I've been left laughing out loud so many times. Great example of someone who has a unique style and instantly recognisable posts, as soon as I see the design of one of his pictures I know what I'm getting in for haha
Thank you so much man, you didn't have to do that, but, it's much appreciated!
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This is very interesting and inspiring for all of us. I totally agree that something is not easy. need a process, keep learning and find the best way.
Those of us who have been on the blockchain for a while can deeply attest to what you are saying, I myself have been blacklisted for an offense in my steemit days. Being on the blockchain is like setting up a business, the sustainability always matters. Indeed, if we wanna go high with Hive, we must continue doing our best and this will help us give testimony just as you are giving, thanks for inspiring us all @
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A very good post. I joined in August 2017, struggled a lot, still do struggle but for non-Hive reason. Finding a community helps tremendously. I helped out in a couple, met some people, had a lot of fun, and still have contact with a few of them, and vote on them.
The part about the 2016 and almost no HP, that does hit a chord with me. Yes those people may have been around for a long time, but not maintaining enough of a balance to at least give a 0.02 reward means they really do not care for anyone but themselves.
It took me a long time before I could give a vote with 0.02 value, and I hope I never drop below that point.
I invested, call it fast-tracking. I felt so bad that people were giving me votes, using their stake to reward little old me. It didn't feel right. Not everyone has my sentiments, but hey.. it seemed to work.
I would have liked to invest a little bit, but being on a short income does not leave much for play. Still I was very happy when I finally hit the needed vote value.
I love that after years of no activity - this is the first comment back :D
Nice glasses, Presbyopia affects us all in later years. I have the same problem.
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Amazing post! This made me think back on my journey through the steem days as well. It takes time to find your people to connect here and even more so back then.
I also think it takes time for newcomers to get their minds off of the rewards. There’s like a hive maturation process that we all have to go through but the journey is amazing for sure.
Awesome share man!
I’ve lost and gained so many great votes over the years. There is no way to predict when somebody will decide to spread their vote elsewhere.
They come in waves, I remember @darthknight.. and then he was gone. Delegated it all to @ocdb. Then someone else comes along, nothing stays still for long.., it's always interesting. There's a HF soon, more changes perhaps?
Oh yea, I can remember when they found me too. I was so excited because they were handing out 100%s like nothing. Guess that became too difficult and delegating was just way too easy of an option.
I'm ready for da fork to happen so we can start preparing for the next one 🌀
Ewww!
I want a special one that says "Honorary members of the $0.00 club who also self-downvoted his first shitpost".
Man am I glad we've moved away from all the bid bot trending, quadratic voting curve and all other dumb shit we used to have that now seem so ridiculous in hindsight.
I remember when I first talked to @tarazkp in steem.chat and his posts looked quite similar to your early ones at the time, which sucked and showed how curation was lacking even though we did have quite a few curation projects around, most of the stake was still in whale's accounts and delegations had just become possible I believe. Guess you were just unlucky or not enough curators out there incentivized to look for such content from newcomers to reward, it's kind of a miracle you stuck around either way - probably thanks to @steevc's engagement and follow.
This is also something I've argued as to why we run things in ocd the way we do, where a small % of our daily voting power goes towards curators, moderators and other initiatives that are a net positive for hive's user retention. Now without the "curation sniping" curve it's even more important, cause let's face it, most people with stake aren't going to do the grind where they're out there looking for new authors to check if they're legitimate, post properly, are socially active, etc, to upvote and hope they stick around and have a better starting experience in their hive journey than we had, especially when there's the autovoting/trailing option that costs them way less time and no penalty to their apr. Similar to authors I think curators and moderators need also be rewarded for their time and effort to make this a better place, even though I know there are some who still do put a lot of time and effort into doing the grind even though they have a lot of stake, @steevc is for instance one of them.
Either way, with better distribution, so many years since the early days when you, taraz and me joined, it has gotten a lot better already which means that projects like ocd and others won't have to be relied on as much because there's going to be a lot more people with stake and when the prices are higher their upvotes are going to mean a lot more rewards and more people siding with curating manually than just going on auto and letting the rest do all the work. The next bull market will be crazy, hopefully we'll have a lot more options of getting into hive easier and faster and sticking with it by then.
That is.. an impressive feat!
I didn't expect anything.., maybe that's the difference between now and then? @curie was about the only thing going and was the target of all newbies. I know I got their attention as one of their curators started following me.
@steevc, oh yeah.. without a doubt. I used to wait for his vote heh...
It's the same with @curie now, I don't tend to give many votes out though. I could get more HIVE if I actively looked around more.
If I find someone, especially an explorer I will promote their stuff if it's good. I have found myself at times, when looking at a post that's $70 or so.., I did that, I promoted it. It's not a boast, I know it might not get any attention if I didn't do this. Makes one feel good knowing you have made someone feel the same.
If people would stake more and sell less it would make a difference. Skin in the game is important. People look at wallets and are judged on them. I mentioned this in my post.. the 2016 account that has a 1c vote. It's their choice but don't complain when nothing happens.
We need investors, but some people just cannot afford to do that. If they create good content then they should still be able to prosper. Hive should be changing lives around the world.
I do have issues with projects like Curie having too much power, but we're stuck with that.
Not sure if HiveBuzz's badge banner could contain such a long title. Such a badge would require its own tab on the board 😓
Haha was mostly a joke, although I would be interested in knowing how many self-downvotes I've made this far. :D
Easy answer: 20
You can do better! 😜
I realized that forfeiting post rewards through beneficiaries hurts my genuine supporters curation rewards less if I ever post something I know will get autovotes but doesn't have a lot of effort behind it or possibly value.
Rather than downvoting my own posts when I feel they get overrewarded, it's better to anticipate it becoming overrewarded (due to autovotes) and forfeiting part of the post rewards by sending beneficiaries to things like the DHF or posh, etc. This way some of the pupil who upvote it don't get penalized.
I was kidding, but I'm glad you rephrased it to make it easier to understand for those unfamiliar with the intricacies of Hive.
Ah, lol
Indeed! Success doesn't happened overnight,instant or in a blink of an eye.
Being a newbie here at hive, I know, if I want my acct to grow I need to work for it (engagement,and course abide the rules).
The great thing about all these comments is I can find new people occasionally. I see you are doing OK and churn out some decent content, have added you to my 'list'. Keep stacking!
Thank you so much! Will always try my best to produce quality contents and improves more in blogging..
Thank you for sharing this beneficial information for newbie like me, salute
OCDB didn't bother to vote my introduction, they upvoted all my friends, including people I talked to about hive, but left me alone unvoted.
I joined Splinterlands battle challenges, and found out some people reposted their old battles, only changed pictures and many typos (due to copied pasting from previous posts) and got 50-80hive per posts, meanwhile I got only 8-12hive.
Many shit things happened in the beginning... somehow I ended up staying here on PEAKD and most of those lucky bastards already left looking for bigger cheese 😂
As I said.. expect nothing and you won't be disappointed. The 'its not fair' thing has gone through my mind many times, especially when I was a tiddler. Sometimes the content is quite irrelevant, and yes.., that's' not right, but it's the way it is.
Another addition to this tip is Don't ignore commenting on other people's posts. Most people will click on profiles that comment positively towards them on repeated bases. Especially if it's a likeminded source of content. You both love blogging about your photographs of ocean waves, frickin talk about that shit. Blow each other (up!) Pimp that shit like a two dollar hooker.
I don't comment as much as I used too. It's a time thing, but my own content.., yes I make a point to respond.
Yeah, this tip may be for smaller accounts more than larger ones lol. You get a figgidy-fuckton more comments than a smaller account like myself!
wise words oh Guru
Buena publicación para reflexionar gracias por todos esos consejos ahora vete por dónde empezar que sigan los éxitos bendiciones 🙏
Maybe I'm in the same emotional time as you. As a result, I can call myself the primary soldier of this blockchain path. A war that has a beginning but has no end. And so you can say that you are still trying.
However, being my own master, I cannot improve the subject much. But I believe that I will be able to give good writing to Hive even if it is late.
But through your post, I have understood the point of giving comments and replies, which I did not understand before. Thank you for your beautiful writing.
Straight clean and games worth pondering on. Cheers mate this is an encouragement and reminder to keep an eye on the ball, while working on the quality of work put out
I was a popular teacher of adults for thousands of students when I joined Steemit. Being bilingual, I'd put hours into my posts making sure both languages were correct thinking I'd be making $700 a post like others with way less quality. It never happened. I gave up and just started posting about gaming in English only. One thing we forget is that we are way ahead of the curve here and it may take a decade for the masses to join us. Many keys and HTML is is a serious roadblock for most people too. If only Elon Musk would join us...
Given the fact that the bigger holders generally speak English, it's not a bad idea!
Muy interesante, me ha pasado que me retiro de hive y vuelvo y asi estoy XD tambien y falta de constancia no me ayuda mucho, pero igual sigo intentando,saludos :)
Man, going through my old stuff reminds me of those days of no rewards, bad bot comments, and me floundering around trying to find my voice. The Steem Flag Rewards project was a worthwhile endeavor. I'm glad it seems less necessary on HIVE.
I remember you doing MtG content all those years ago. I think that's what grabbed my attention. Barely anyone else was!
I have been thinking about revisiting some those topics. I have a habit if trying stuff out, then burning myself out chasing topics that get rewarded more, and then dropping them. I should write about another Magic deck, make some jewelry, paint some space orks...
The only thing keeping me here is really me learning to write. Writing longer, clearer, and a little better every day. That said, not making it a job, but a pleasure. The fees may come and go, but my experience, skills, and interest in writing will always stay with me. Perhaps this comment will also help someone understand why they are here and move on.
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Thanks for the tips! 🙌🙌🙌
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That was a great story to read. At the end, it is only a matter of building our reputation, building a network, getting a figure of a community, interacting with other users, etc. No matter what, we should do what we lik,e and persevere (that's definitely the right word).
Cheers!
PS: it was nice to meet you at HiveFest, even if we didn't really speak with each other!
Apologies, we should have talked. I heard you were a 'Particle physicist', and maybe didn't make a beeline for you in case I couldn't speak your conversation.
I guess we can keep this for the next occasion. I may pass by the UK at some point for my work (indeed focused on particle physics), so that we could try to organise something around food and drinks ;)
And do that consistently. If you cannot create your niche, then just write anything that will become a Souvenir for our kids :) And of course, earn from curation.
Yes, maybe @dismayedworld will one day read about 'The Horrors of Kwiksave' hehe...
I've been pretty consistent at the "make people laugh" game for almost 2 years now, but f me if it's gotten much easier. Sure, I'm super grateful for all the support I got from old trumpman and the master of tasks but on a monthly basis it wouldn't even cover the utility bills. My aim was always to be funny and ignore some arbitrary word counts - not the smartest move but at least I made some people laugh. Also I don't like messing around on discord, probably another mistake that I have to own. But at least I learned some new tips while reading this post in a period when I really needed to hear them. Cheers! from the blockchain clown.
@trumpman can be very direct at times, but you can't help but like him. He's his very own niche!
fortunately he is my cup of tea :)
Gay
best compliment I can get from you so thanks :P
You are one of the most underrated people here. Too bad there's not much place for humor on hive.
I really appreciate the encouragement, it means a lot. At the same time I understand there are certain requirements if I want to "make it" here, and it seems they are non-negociable :)
I am one year 'older' than you on the chain as I joined in December 2017, but I'm really surprised to see how you evolved and how much knowledge you gathered all this time. The chain definitely needs more posts like this one to remember that patience is the key to everything and you can't just leave when the algorithm is not in your favour anymore
I remember your early posts and that formatting. 'That's taken some effort!'. Good to see you stuck around.
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Sin palabras, una travesía dura y constante género el terreno en donde tus ideas se cultivan y te alimenta el día de hoy... Está publicación es muy motivadora en mi opinión 👍😁
"I know the feeling"
You're a good guy, and very supportive of others, that's all that matters.
To all the people that are burnt out after not getting support, I would love to tell ya that it will get better, but it won't. You might as well not look at the top trending page, and focus on doing something you love.
Yes, yesterday you made 0.00 on your first post, today you're making 100, but it absolutely doesn't mean you will be making 100 again tomorrow, at least for most people. You might be making 0.00 again tomorrow and you have to be ok with it.
That's the true secret. There is no method to this madness, just luck & perseverance 🙏👍🔥
Thanks, there's only so much I can do.
To be successful in life needs a lot of patience and sometimes situations turn as if there are no places left to wait or even stand, but I think personal belief is the main thing to continue instilling hopes and I myself got a big shrug late in this morning -- something that befooled me and costs me lose some bucks from my pocket, the disappointment was high, but I am still looking for ways to grab.
Thanks, thats an epic post, 👍
Wow, this really hits home! Thank you @slobberchops for sharing this. I am still relatively new on HIVE and I too was discouraged in the beginning. But @zakludick helped me see the bigger picture, this a long game. No instant gratification. To me, it has become a community. A place where I can share and interact. The rewards that come from it are great, don't get me wrong, but they are kinda the bonus for already doing something I enjoy.
I have met some great people on HIVE, like @loadreaper, @jasperdick, @clairemobey, @papilloncharity, @jacoalberts, @vm2904 and many many more. While I have never met them in real life, I already feel connected to them.
Not to mention I have been pushed out of my comfort zone a few times. Making sure I have a piece of art to post now and then has ensured that I get art practice far more regularly than I otherwise would have for example. I also have a reason to get my camera out more often!
Overall, it has been a positive experience for me. Growing takes time, but it is worth it in the end!
very nice comment @pixelhuntersam it lovely to hear such kind words.
Memories and connections are more valuable than money in the end in my opinion!
100% I couldn't have said it better myself👍