Follow Friday: Respect the Mods

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The News

I will include my usual price chart that I generate each week. $HIVE is generally trending upwards over the last month, but things are just too unpredictable to say more. We just need to keep building community and utility in this platform to add value. It will not magically happen by itself. If each of us could bring in someone who stays active and potentially invests then we will get somewhere.

Prices

I am pinching this chart from @arcange as it shows that we are improving in some areas. The numbers of minnows, dolphins and orcas are the highest they have been this year, but they were better last year. The @tenkminnows project has been running for over two years and we still have a way to go to reach the target. I may add to the list of people it votes for, based on the following criteria and my own preferences:

  • Actively posting and preferably commenting too.
  • Not powering down.
  • Not yet a minnow. That threshold is around 550HP now. I review once in a while, so some may keep getting the votes after they reach that level.

Users

Friday Follows

Last week @tdctunes also did a #FollowFriday post. You are free to use the tag however you like, but I encourage you to share accounts you think will interest others and deserve more followers. You can do as I do and set them as beneficiaries of the post rewards if you like.

  • @katharsisdrill has illustrated a story (not a comic as I originally said) by @nevies that you can help crowdfund. The cost of international postage means that physical copies may only be available in Nigeria and Denmark, but I have ordered the PDF version.
  • @erikah wrote a good post about Hive communities. I have more to say about that feature below.
  • @sidekickmatt has kicked off a new story with his The Real Superheroines of Hive Valley comic. There have been updates nearly every day this week. He is a busy man.
  • @bryan-imhoff is also sharing pages of his apocalypse comic that could well go to print.
  • Now I am running again I am using @strava2hive that makes a post from your Strava activities.

The Doghouse

I am not going to name the parties, but today I saw someone get upset when his post to a large Hive community was rejected and he got a small downvote too. One of the community moderators left a comment saying why the post was muted and I feel the poster overreacted by responding in an aggressive manner.

Although Hive in general is decentralised and we can post what we want to our own feeds the communities are 'walled gardens' where activity can be moderated. Those who pay the fee to create a community get the ability to declare the rules and appoint moderators to enforce them. I am not sure how much moderators get rewarded for their efforts, but that is a matter for the admins. When you participate in a community you are accepting that there is some control. This is to keep it on topic and maintain a level of quality. When a community has thousands of subscribers you do not want to waste their time.

You have to appreciate that the moderators may have a lot of posts to sort through. The moderators in turn need to act reasonably. If someone misunderstands the rules they ought to be given another chance. I realise there may be language and culture differences that make communication harder. I think that in general when it comes to moderation and curation on Hive there has to be some give and take. There will be those who set out to abuse it, but there will also be plenty for whom it is all new and confusing. We need to guide them to a good path.

You do not have to use communities at all, but they can be a way to reach a wider audience. There is an option to have the posts appear on your own feed too.

Personally I am not so into big communities that may have hundreds of posts per week as it will be hard to find stuff I actually like. I have created a few myself that are more focused. They are not so busy, but I know that I am likely to find posts I enjoy in them. So far I have not had to do much moderation. I did have one guy stealing video content who was ejected.

I do think communities are a great feature, but you still need to work to build a following. Quality and engagement are key for that. If you never respond to comments then people will go elsewhere.

The End

@Hivefest is fast approaching. I have bought my ticket and you can see who else has in the wallet. I seem to be the only gold level so far. Number are not huge, but I expect some people are powering down to pay for it. I certainly had to as I plan to pay for the whole trip with what I make on this platform.

The UK could have record-breaking temperatures next week. I hope everyone finds some way to stay cool and healthy.



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I hope the community dude doesn't totally lose it and chuck it all in. Things happen, always best to move on or be nice and appeal

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It's someone I've talked to before. I had a chat with him off-chain and I think he calmed down. They may have just caught him at a bad time.

!BEER

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That would be good if they stayed and saw the big picture. Morning wrong with getting a bit crazed by some blockchains happenings but coming to our senses at the end of the day!

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Ah, so that's how you pay for the ticket?
Interesting, makes sense..

I agree with regards to communities. Some are very big and the moderators have a lot of work on their hands; however, I've noticed some people being told off about something they did, that wasn't supposedly within the community rules...

When I looked under "About" I couldn't see anything about the mentioned rule...
I would think they should keep things updated for fair game..
But maybe I didn't look in the right place?

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The community rules ought to be made very clear so there are no excuses. Sometimes it's down to personal judgement if a post is valid or not. I try to keep my own communities friendly.

!BEER

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Is "About" where I should find them then?

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There should be a Rules section on the right:

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Hmm, image not working for me.

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That's the sort of area where I couldn't find the rule.. haha
Ok, thanks!

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I always try to check for rules but it's easy to miss them (and to a relative newcomer there seem to be plenty of 'unwritten rules' on hive). I found this pretty daunting at first but I guess it's part of the price of everything being decentralised with different front ends and somewhat a culture of things being 'the done thing' rather than having rules shoved in your face (or enforced by the UI). It does make the learning curve high for new people unfortunately.

Are you going to make it to Hive fest?

As for tickets - I'm still trying to decide whether to pay for mine in Euros or Hive - though I am definitely going as I've booked accommodation and travel and will be performing a set!

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Too right! "Unwritten" is a good one! 😄

As a newcomer it can be tricky to find out things you'd like to know more about, as many things are too obvious to others..
"Ask what you don't know".. lol

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Thank you for mentioning I and @katharsisdrill's Kickstarter, but you've made a mistake, it's not a comic book, it is actually a short novel with illustrations done by @katharaisdrill.

About that guy who got his post rejected, that happened to me around 2 weeks ago. Once every thing was set for the Kickstarter I announced it in a post that we are launching a Kickstarter soon and I used the Theinkwell community. They came and told me they're rejecting it and muting the post, that they only accept stories not posts about stories.

It was painful but I totally understood and thought it was fair. It was my fault for not reading their rules before using their community. But then yesterday I opened the post on hive and saw that muting was actually worse than what I thought it was. Muting made all the links and pictures on the post disappear! With a bracket replacing them like this:


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It was really sad, I started feeling like it was harsh to do that to a guy like me who was just excited for his first book. I had also linked the post to the main announcement post not knowing that muting had the post looking like that, looking like I was fake or a scammer or something. Phew!

I kept telling myself that harsh or not, it was still my fault for not reading their rules and that they're not entirely to blame. So I kept mum about it.

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Sorry for the mistake. I can correct that in the post.

I assume muting a post in a community is an all or nothing action, so you cannot really blame the moderators. People go there expecting a certain sort of post and they want to keep it on topic. How the post is shown is down to the front ends.

!BEER

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Yeah, true, can't really blame em. You mean you can correct it? And everything would be perfect again?

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All I can change is my own post :)

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Alright. There's no need anymore, though, the post is old. Luckily it wasn't the main announcement post.

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Can't believe how warm the UK has been! Glad we didn't come this summer.

I prefer smaller communities too. When I ran Natural Medicine it got far too insane... We were coping with so much plagiarism and crap it wasn't even funny. And that was with tons of excellent (paid) moderators trying to control it! So yeah I agree, small is better.

I've been known to break community rules a couple of times as I misread the rules. Always took it on the chin though - why have a hissy fit when it's you that didn't totally read the rules? Sigh. I wonder if people behave like that in real life..

I should do a #followfriday, wonder if I can combine that with #marketfriday and #fungifriday for a Friday extravaganza 😂🍄

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I know a lot of people go where the money is, but it has to be fun for me. I try not to get too worked up about anything online. Tag me if you do a #FollowFriday. These daily themes are an incentive to post.

!BEER

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I don't even KNOW where the money is?! I'm happy if I get more votes than usual on a post of course but I don't think I would know how to post specifically to increase this. I guess this is probably the best approach..

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Maybe eventually there will be a bigger community around your sort of music. I think it's important for it to be fun.

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There's already a group of about 10 who are regulars on the Twitch channel and are there every week pretty much without fail. Probably about 20 more that watch but aren't active in the chat. Not huge numbers but I'd say 80% of them are on Hive and a lot of the chat is Hive related!

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Cool. That's the start of something. I think it's important to have more reasons to use Hive than just rewards. If they can get engagement that is actually better than other platforms they will come back. Keep it up!

!hivebits

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Yeah exactly - rewards are nice but engagement is more important. I really like the numbers at the moment on the stream - I can just about keep up with most of the Twitch chat whilst playing and it feels like a bunch of friends hanging out. Much more and I won't be able to follow it!

!PIZZA !ALIVE !BEER

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Modding community is always a tricky job which isn't helped by the fact most people couldn't care less about community rules and just post in communities that have the most pending payouts.

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Of course a lot of people are just after money and we have seen plenty of grifters, but some people do really enjoy the social aspect. It is down to those with the HP to decide where the rewards go. I'm having fun anyway.

!BEER

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Thanks for the mention and another great news update Steve! There wasn't a follow friday from me this week but I expect I'll do another one soon.

!PIZZA !BEER

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You're most welcome. Getting excited for Hivefest?

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Yep for sure - I think it's going to come around really quickly! We will be travelling by Eurostar - I love trains and it also means I don't have the issue of trying not to check-in my modular case which is a bit over check-in dimensions. I think the whole thing is going to be a great adventure!

How about you?

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I'm looking at Eurostar too and may bring a guitar. It's going to be fun.

!BEER

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Nice! Might see you on the train then!

!BEER !WINE

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I'm wondering how far ahead to book the train. I can get a return for £138, but will that change before September. No refund if you cancel, but I hope HF goes ahead and COVID does not interfere.

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I decided to book it anyway. I'm on the 9:01am from St Pancras on the 15th. It changes at Brussels, but means I don't have to get into London quite so early. Come back at 10:15 on the Monday.

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Ah nice! We are on the 08:16 on 15th September. And coming back on the 16:47 on the Sunday (so I will miss the final dinner I believe but we need to be back for school/work on the Monday).

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I've missed the final evening when I went before, so I'm going for the full experience this time. Apparently for the train you need to be there a while before to get checked in. I've not been on those before.

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ah yep makese sense - yeah there will be a checkin period - but not as long as for flying!

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