#steemsaturday | SPInvest | Getting excited | @exyle makes me happy ...

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I was a bit fed up this morning - post cold blues - but I sat down to do my steem housekeeping (buy a little steem, check out investments, think about buying and selling plans) and some wonderful things happened:

First, and in a way, nothing to do with steem, but in another way, everything to do with steem, because inspiration, joy, comes from every quarter and this was a little reminder about what do I want anyway:


Here's a lovely video from @old-guy-photos about messing about on a boat in the evening on a large expanse of water.

Last Saturday, we drove over to Hunstanton, about two hours drive away and pretty much the nearest coastal place. It's an old-fashioned seaside place with a promenade and ornamental gardens, built in the 1800s for the burgeoning Victorian charabanc and bathing trade. It's like a life-size model village and beyond is the north Norfolk Coastal Path, an oasis of wide sandy beaches, dunes and wildlife. We were distracted by the crazy golf and searching for pinball machines and then, as we reached the start of the Coastal Path, rain threatened and, two minutes later, arrived and we scrambled for the beach side cafe. It reminded me of childhood holidays.

Most of my family live on the south coast, in seaside towns and villages, about 200 miles from me. I've looked at buying down there but, for a range of reasons, it's not been quite the right thing to do. The little excursion last Saturday, and @old-guy-photos video today reminded me that Leicester has a wide waterway network and there's a marina up the road. I checked it out and there's a project boat for sale for £1,920 ...


Source Leicester Marina. I'm popping down there later - it's about twenty minutes drive away - to have a look.

The next thing that popped up was @exyle's vlog 429 this morning. In it, he talks about visiting an event yesterday and feeling brave enough to say a bit about steem, opening with @actifit, and talking to a diabetes foundation and, later, a teacher. In both cases, @exyle was realising the enormous potential of Steem to do so many things, affect so many people, far beyond what we are doing and to "build and shape great communities."

I found this so exciting. It's what I have been saying for the best part of a year now. I've been talking to people locally, visiting groups and local councils, and, also, working with 28 charities in London about how Steem could help them achieve what they want to do. To be honest, it can get a little bit lonely, especially when people keep focussing on the "create content, get paid" angle, rather than understanding the huge potential. It was great to hear someone else, @exyle, excited and talking about the potential uses for steem and how we can make it happen. We don't need anyone's permission, we can just get on with it, the tools are there and so are the skills and creativity. It really cheered me up!

Lastly, to SPinvest:

Steem powered investments @spinvest has been set up to offer an investment fund based on funding from STEEM POWER. Investments are funded through extracting value out of STEEM POWER and taking advantage of STEEM's high inflation rate. The aim is not to get rich quick; the aim is to build a safe portfolio of investments that will stand the test of time while insuring all investors starting capital is not at risk. Full details can be found here.

SPInvest has been going a little under a month and there are only another 750 less than 500 SPI tokens to go before it reaches its first milestone of 10,000 SPI tokens invested. It's an initiative set up by @silverstackeruk and appeals to me for the following reasons:

  • tremendous creativity, enthusiasm, hard work and openness from the the founder.
  • a great idea with a focus on developing a community and learning as we go.
  • it's on a journey from informal let's get something started with a vision for a more formal, sustainable transparent and accountable structure as it grows.
  • low entry - just one Steem or up to decimals of a Steem will get you a share.

Of course, there are risks.

The major two are:

  • loss of the founder and
  • "not your keys, not your coins."

The first risk was raised and addressed early on, and you can read more about it in Introducing the Contingency Plan.

The second risk is much more dependent on trust: At the moment, investors are trusting @silverstackeruk not to run off with the Steem and to do what he says. For me, there are ways of managing this risk:

  • investigate the reputations of @silverstackeruk and the major investors (investors screenshot in this post).
  • have a buying plan that limits your exposure, for example, some of the investors have been selling other Steem Engine tokens from airdrops and using the proceeds to buy SPI tokens.

You can read more about progress so far in the latest post How @spinvest makes money and how much! and why @taskmaster4450 bought 1,000 SPI Tokens. One of the reasons that @taskmaster4450 gives for doing this is because it is convenient - someone else (and a community) is doing the thinking and the work. Some of the comments beneath that post point out that you can do the same thing yourself and make similar returns. Well, yes you can, although I think the aggregated and compound benefits of the SPInvest model might be greater than what most of us could do with our individual stake on our own.

But the other thing is: it's fun! I enjoy reading the posts, they make me laugh, and I like the inventivemess and the creativity. There's 200 SPI giveaway when the 10,000 SPI target is reached, but rather than a straightforward allocation according to stake, there's a draw. More fun, more entertaining, more engaging!

Got to go and see a boat now, after all, this is what it's all for ...


Source Not this specific boat, but one like it. You can stand up in it, too, which is nice (not you, though, @revisesociology, @steevc and @starkerz, you're too tall, sorry :))



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I've got friends who are having a boat built to live on. That's a big commitment and I hope it works out for them.

I would love to see more charities get onto Steem as I am sure they would get support. The fact that our votes help them without reducing what we have is just a killer feature.

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Yes ... that's braver than I am :) I'm really only looking for a project boat so I can "mess about on boats". I did share one with my mum for a couple of years and I loved the opportunity to just poodle about and putter up and down the river. I'm not sure what "project work" needs doing on this, sometimes it's just plumping up the cushions, other times, it's buying a new engine.

There are so many opportunities on Steem, it was really motivating to read that blog this morning. By the way, I liked your crypto walk last weekend. I'm sorry I couldn't make it, I was recovering from this cold and got knocked by a quite gentle walk when we were in Hunstanton.

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The walk was fun even with just three of us. I hope there will be more, but the weather would not have been so good this weekend.

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Good luck with the boat search @shanibeer. That sounds like a really fun way to spend a Saturday. I'm looking forward to hearing how it went. 😊

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it's pouring with rain now he he!

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It is here too, on and off, but I thought you must have it diffferent! 😂

Better than the heat from a couple of days ago though.

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I'm very happy with it, but no good for looking at boats!

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This is a whole load of posts and new groups expertly woven into a post, I like it. First I have heard of @spinvest I will have to check it out. Have some !COFFEEA 15 to go towards the boat ☕️

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Oh wow! Boat shopping is always something to enjoy, even if it is not boat buying. I would also look at kayaks. They are very inexpensive, durable, and fun. I use my kayak nearly every day.

Would you believe I even enjoy just being in my boat at the dock and fooling around cleaning or just watching the other boats. There is just something magical about how being on the water feels :)

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A kayak ... you're putting thoughts in my head :)
I'm looking forward to the boat shopping and I agree with you, I like just being near the water, even just sitting on the boat and having a cup of tea and watching the sky.

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Oh yeah, a kayak is great exercise and you can take them anywhere! Here they start at $170 with the paddle! Ive had mine for ages and the are pretty indestructible and no maintenance lol.

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A kayak might be what I end up with!

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I'll point out that he's talking about 20% per year for spinvest, but most SP investments make about 30+%/year, so he either doesn't understand the way steem's blockchain works or is hoping you don't. SP just grows by itself at a rate of about 15%/year and delegating via dlease pays about 17%/year. Together that's 32% without even trying the fancy things he's talking about. I suspect he's either forgetting about or hoping you don't know that 15%.

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Okay, that's interesting, which other SP investments are there?

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Well, you could power up and delegate to @steembasicincome and at the end of the year, you would have approx 32% more steempower than you began with.

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That would be a good comparison experiment. I used to delegate to sbi, I would have to remember to keep the delegation there for a year.

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And you'd have to track the upvote value you received from them.

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So how do you know it's 32%?

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All powered up steem automatically collects approximately 16%. That's part of the rules of the blockchain.

Then, the latest calculation for upvotes from SBI for SP delegated is 19.1% after curation. @josephsavage can confirm if that number is still correct. It was 2 months ago, but nothing much has changed since then.

Then, I took off a few percentage points so you'd be pleasantly surprised that it was even higher than I said.

The big point is, I worry that this sbinvest is either an "honest" scam...in that, he'll do what he says, but you should expect better. Or run by someone who doesn't really understand how steem works. 20% is less than you should expect for even just powering up yourself and voting like a normal user. It's definitely not an investment-grade return for Steem. and the fact that he "guarantees" it, but only a 95% back guarantee... Like, he could fulfill all his promises and still walk away having fleeced all his investors.

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If I understand correctly, you're getting the 16% APR on SP from here:

... but this is 16.7% of total rewards distribution, or 16.7% of inflation rate more accurately. And the inflation rate is only 8.3843%, making the APR on holding SP approximately 1.40%

Which if you stack with this morning's 18.03% print on SP delegated to @steembasicincome, is about on par with a 20% return. Still... if they're making guarantees on something launched right before HF21 is released, then some skepticism is warranted.

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So a anything that beats 9% is acquiring more steem than inflation?!?

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That is correct. Active APR is significantly higher because you're effectively voting your own stake along with a proportionate share of the idle stake.

(curation % + author %) / (% of SP base actively voted) * (inflation rate) = avg active APR

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Looks like I'm the one who has to eat my words and the didn't understand properly

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It was a very worthwhile discussion, because it tests the idea and checks how robust it is. I appreciate the points that you made and I would say that this proposal is not fully developed yet, some aspects will need to be developed as we go along and learn more.

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And you could even just do a few days of SBI delegation and extrapolate from there. You can always use !sbi status to see how much value you've accumulated that hasn't paid out yet.

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I bought a few SPIs following yr last post although I still don't quite get it.

Yet to investigate further...

Steem boat trip next summer then! I'll look forward to it! Nice to have someone else to bear the costs of a boat.

Fun yes but a terrrible vest. I'd love a river boat - I've wanted one for ages but they drain money.

BOAT = Bring Out Another Thousand.

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Haha! I was just looking how long it would take me to get to Hereford ... about six days!

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I'll be very impressed if you make it to from Leicester to Hereford in a boat!

That would be worth more than one

!BEER

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Ta! Of course, it would depend how often I stopped for !BEER !

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And how long it would take you drag the boat from Gloucester.

For some reason my beer didn't deliver. Maybe I need to stake it?

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Okay, you might have to come and meet me 😎
I got a beer from you, but I suspect I don't have enough beer tokens to send you one. I'll check later on the big computer.

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Ah OK so that !beer message was for you not me then, I can't really tell on Partiko.

No real
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Did you buy the boat then?

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Hahahaha, you're joking, we've got months of boat shopping to get through yet. I've already had two friends on the phone, sticking their oar (but not their money) in. One of them rang me three times, saying, "about that boat, I think you should ..." I'm going to see it with another friend this pm, one who has actually owned a boat. My two questions, given that it's a project boat, are:

  • is it functional, if not, how much would it cost to get functional and it would it be better to pay the extra money for one that is already functional (taking into account transport costs etc) and
  • what are the yearly running costs?
    But really, this is all about sitting in the pub afterwards and gossiping about it 😍
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£1,920 for a boat, hehe sounds like you will soon be moving @shanibeer, get the right sized one and we can have a Steem get together on one.

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