Hive is imperfect anarchy, by design
I have been having some discussions about the state of Hive with various people and some are really not happy. We may each have a different experience depending on who we follow and interact with as well as what other channels you see, such as on Discord. Maybe all is wonderful as you chat with your friends whilst making a nice little amount. Others seem to live in fear of offending a whale. Although the Hive platform itself does not care what you do it is populated by people who may care very much.
The thing that attracts most people to Hive and also causes the most problems is the ability to earn. Elsewhere you can just earn likes and can just block anyone who 'harshes your vibe'. Here we are competing for a share of the daily rewards and there will be some out there who could wipe out all you make with no way to stop them.
That may feel like this.
But the design of the system allows this and it does have to work like that. Many people do not see the abuse that goes on. Back on the 'other blockchain' we had an account who would post ten times each day with 'technical analysis' of crypto markets and give himself a massive vote that was increased by his control of a whale account. He was making $1000+ each day at times and that would have a significant effect on what everyone else made. Some of the community rallied to prevent this and eventually stopped this activity with many receiving huge downvotes for their efforts. Those accounts are still voting to earn from curation and that cannot be stopped, although some people try to cancel out their votes to reduce the rewards.
If there were restrictions on how we could downvote that could not have been done. As it is the current system allows you to make about five times as many upvotes as downvotes each day, so downvotes can never totally dominate. Most people never downvote anyway.
There are still active efforts to deal with various abuse that will involve downvotes to deter it. Some people may feel they did nothing wrong or that the punishment is excessive. There are some 'irredeemables' who will never change, but some people will take the hint and perhaps try to be better citizens. I do see cases where it gets personal. That may be down to exchanges of insults. Some who get downvoted do a rant post, often with threats to quit, where people get called names. 'Bully' is one of the milder terms. That is only likely to make the attacker double down.
What we need on both sides is some respect. Would they act that way if they met in person? Few of us would start an actual fist fight with someone. Generally you just walk away instead. The problem may be that we are all still in the same virtual space and feuds can persist with shots taken in the long term.
Is Hive going to be a place for everyone or is it only for those the whales approve of? I know there is and will be content I would not want to see and I might not want it to be rewarded. In some cases I may take action, but I would probably look for some support on that. I have worked with anti-abuse groups who do just that. We discuss whether something is a problem, but then it is up to each person to act and perhaps help in cancelling any retaliation.
Now we have comunities people can have control of some subset of Hive where they can ban people who break whatever rules they set. If they do then those rules need to be clear and people treated with respect if they made an honest mistake. A lot who come here are desperate to earn something and may push the boundaries of what is acceptable. There may be language and cultural differences too. We really cannot afford to scare away people who could add value to the Hive platform even if what they do is not your thing.
We have all sorts of people here. Some may not be particularly sociable. There are big accounts who never even comment, but they can throw their weight around with impunity. There is no obligation to explain yourself. I do wonder about the mental state of some as they can display classic symptoms of various types of aberration. If they have some stake they can use it in negative ways. The witnesses could probably collectively shut them out, but I doubt they want to set a prescedent of that and I have not seen it happen apart from when Hive split off from 'the other place'. That was more about keeping it decentralised. I know some will say Hive is not decentralised as so much power lies with a few people, but none of them has total control. If someone did try to buy up enough HP to take over there are now controls in place to allow some time for the witnesses to counter it and I would hope they would. I must say I do not understand all the intricacies of the Hive system, so I may miss some subtleties. I do think that most of the whales care about Hive and want it to succeed. It would of course be in their interest. Maybe there are some who could afford to write off what they have invested or made by trashing the system, but they are in the minority.
I may be in a privileged position as an orca with a high reputation and some standing in the Hive community, but I had to work my way to this from being a total nobody. I have said what I think, which was not always positive, and survived that. I do not want people to have to think they cannot speak their minds. We do not want 'groupthink' here based on what 'big brother' wants. We should be allowed to criticise, but should keep things civil. Yes, I know some like to just stir things up.
I think I want to say that there has to be respect. You can differ on opinions, but does that have to lead to conflict? There again rewards can complicate the issue and downvotes could come into play. The Hive system does not care why you downvote and I do not seem a quick fix for this.
I try to act with respect. Just today I commented on a couple of posts that were abusing a tag which can get them extra rewards. The people both took it well and said they would not do it again. One said they had just seen others doing it and copied them. Not everyone will look into the actual purpose of tags. I did not have to use downvotes to resolve this and nobody got too upset. I do not think downvotes should be the first resort if there is a chance of peaceful resolution. You need to give people a chance to prove they can change. It can still be obvious sometimes if they acted purely maliciously. You have to judge each case.
I do not have the influence to make substantial changes to how Hive works. I vote for witnesses who I think do good, but they are mostly not relying on my vote. If you have suggestions for how things could be better then you need to state your case where it can be seen to try and gain support. Maybe give a talk at the upcoming @Hivefest or create a proposal.
I happen to think that Hive is mostly good. There are some bad apples, but we have to live with that and cope somehow.
Peace.
Electronic-terrorism, voice to skull and neuro monitoring on Hive and Steem. You can ignore this, but your going to wish you didnt soon. This is happening whether you believe it or not. https://ecency.com/fyrstikken/@fairandbalanced/i-am-the-only-motherfucker-on-the-internet-pointing-to-a-direct-source-for-voice-to-skull-electronic-terrorism
Ah the good old days 😅. He still hates me till today. I got a juicy downvote from the whale account not too long ago for no apparent reason. Reminded me of the olden days and brought a little smile to my face.
He's left me alone for ages. Maybe he can't be bothered. There's one account giving tiny DVs plus another malcontent who bears a grudge, but can't do any damage. Just part of the anarchy.
We have to make the best of what we have.
Maybe you could start a movement to question the way major frontends mute based on blind faith in reputation-0 blacklist being sensible.
Maybe you should just stop your wrong accusations, stupid conspiracy theories about the most toxic german community, your constantly downvotings due to your blacklists, your insultings and your crusade! I offered you more than once to find a peaceful agreement.
If someone looks to your actions, all of your words and comments to improve this blockchain still stay just ridiculous.
You are someone who likes to insult other people without discussion,
should prove your way.
Best regrads.
Yea, I'm getting that DV from the same account. Not sure why but like you said, it is what it is
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Nice one very interesting insights!
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Good philosophy!
Are whale wars a thing anymore? I might just be out of that loop, but I thought those people left a while ago.
I guess they are to some extent when you have smooth cancelling out rancho votes. It's not so great for those caught in the crossfire. They may think they are getting massive rewards and then some disappears, but earning anything online is a bonus.
I had the rancho/smooth interplay on one of my posts. Thing is, unless I'm missing something, smooth's countervote aka downvote removes rewards from the person that rancho has voted on. Rancho still gets his rewards, right? So, really, what's the point of his countervotes. Rancho likely isn't even aware of them.
I guess it's some sort of compromise to reduce rancho's curation rewards whilst leaving the poster with what they would have got without the rancho vote. I heard that rancho lost his keys, but haejin can still vote with that account and profit from it. haejin may have the rancho delegation forever, so he can keep earning. Such is Hive.
seems to be a compromise that hits the person caught in the crossfire more than it would rancho/haejin. Smooth never has cared how he hurts others on his crusades.
I shrugged it off when I realized what had happened. That particular post was well rewarded so it wasn't like the crossfire wiped me out. Others might not be so lucky.
Hive proved to be pretty fair to me and I must confess I went on some wrong paths in the beginning and the community reacted to that. Learning from mistakes is what we can do and have better conduct and respect with those around us. I am waiting for Hive Fest with great enthusiasm and hope to be bigger than last year. Also, the VR format (even without a VR headset) is pretty cool and you can speak with people you wouldn't otherwise...
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I think people should be given a chance if they make honest mistakes. Even some who try to game it at first may get turned around. There has to be some stick to go with the carrot.
Hive gives power to downvoters to take away my voice. My vote is my voice here, and downvoters take that away from me.
As if anyone is actively trying to cancel out your curation. lol
But that is the end result.
You may claim as such when I see that curation APR actually drops to 0.
When I see anyone getting downvotes it seems to me that it is a subtle form of censorship.
As opposed to what? Being muted at the community, tribe, or post level within those places?
I have yet to see people complain about communities being able to mute posts. Or, tribes can wipe off all your earnings with a single click. All that without ANY downvotes.
Yours is just another "at the end of the day, I care more about post rewards than the actual content" type of argument.
Until people can have some consistency in their beliefs, I think they are all hypocrites.
I'm no longer interested in your response. Good day.
The problem is there is a financial incentive attached to it. If it were simply a vote showing whether you liked the work or not, it wouldn't be a problem. OK, so it got 200 downvotes; I get it. You didn't like it. But when it's 200 DV's that wipes out your rewards, then that's personal; that's hammering home the message with a 200lbs sledgehammer to some accounts. Sadly, some accounts out there think it's funny to erase your potential reward, especially if they wait till the last minute.
I think there's very few people who would do that. Hive would not exist if it were not for the financial aspect. Why would anyone come here when the audience is tiny? I can't see it moving far from the current rewards system, so we have to work with what we have.
What if it was up to members to gift you for your post? But here's the exciting part: you would have the ability to take your gift back if you chose to do so within those seven days. That would also make EVERYONE responsible for fighting 'wrongdoing', not just HW. TBH I'd expect to see the scamming dropping off a fair bit because of the different way of being rewarded.
The next question would be: "So how do we stop plagiarism?" pretty much the same way we currently do. HW would drop a notification on them and blacklist them. It would be neat if HW had a "Sticky Note" ability, thus making their notification the first comment on a post so you would hardly be likely to miss it. That Blacklist should then be produced by HW every month in a post; that way, we can all see who's on it.
peakd could do things to help highlight troublemakers. There used to be a browser extension that would tell you if a user was on blacklists you had chosen to follow. I think that is useful as you may not realise their history when you see a post. We need to be informed to make judgements.
EXACTLY! Where is that extension? We need it NOW I might ask @good-karma if there's a way that could be implemented in @ecency
hive.blog has a blacklist feature, but it may not be working properly.
Here's another perspective to why it might be done... and I'm not going to say this often but because I respect you Steev I'm going to let the metaphorical cat out of the bag... just a little. 😺
There are the users (these are divided into content creators and content audience/consumers.) and then there is the investors.
Both of these types have completely different motives for the platform and depending on how long or short term they might be thinking the strategies may differ.
I think we understand the context of the users quite well because we fall squarely in that category for the most part. This, as it turns out, is what most people are predominately focused on when they think of the Hive Blockchain. It's the utility aspect of this blockchain that drew me here and I still love the fact that this is a social blockchain even though, currently, the "social" lately has been less than "social" in some places... if you know what I mean.
Let's move over to the perspective of the Hive Investor. These people are significantly less in number than the user count on Hive but some of us are both users and investors. (I fall into this category as well as the entrepreneur category but we won't talk about that... at least not in this comment.)
The investor thinks VERY DIFFERENTLY about the things they invest in and many of these folks wouldn't be here if they didn't think that Hive in some way (at some point) would out perform the Bitcoin they traded it for.
These wonderful people add value to the underlying asset that determines content value on the blockchain... But they are not so wonderful at waiting. (Watching Hive churn out value is like watching grass grow for them.)
They have ideas about when they would like to "turn a profit" and they don't think like an entrepreneur does. For example... I am looking to BUIDL on solid infrastructures and have a 20 year vision for this Blockchain.
THAT is a completely different way of thinking about the Hive Blockchain wouldn't you say?
So that brings me to the point of patience and vision.
Investors look to have their financial capital do the work for them... and they may disregard completely the value captured in the token in the form of social capital altogether. It just is not a priority to them. ROI is the priority and when compared to what they might have made by keeping their Bitcoin rather than investing it in the Hive Blockchain... Well! You get my point!
They are becoming very impatient in an already impatient world.
Conventionally if an investment doesn't perform quarterly many investors will write off the investment all together because they have been trained to do so and have performance requirements.
Here's the problem though...
This isn't your traditional investment.
They are stuck in this investment come hell or high water... it doesn't matter if they like it or not.
But they have an advantage.
They are the market makers... and if they lay aside their human qualities... you know! The ones that keep humans human? Like Ethics and Morals... They can in effect manipulate the price of Hive up and down at will and whim.
All they need to do is justify this action (be it actually good for the blockchain and it's other owners or not) because the code allows for this in granting the ability for the reward pool to be managed with raw exposer to the DV.
In this way they can move the price of everyone's Hive up or down however they want to... but at the expense of social capital on the blockchain. (The very foundation of why Hive is a utility.)
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand what super powers this grants to certain individuals on this blockchain and how that will ultimately reorganize (not to mention Hive Think) the entire network around centralized and hidden entities with ulterior motives than what is beneficial to a user-friendly Hive Blockchain.
You know that there is a problem when more people are making money on the exchanges trading Hive back and forth than the people giving the blockchain it's usefulness via the reward pool.
These are serious things to consider in making an informed decision about what actually is and is not good for this blockchain.
This is, in my opinion, a once in a lifetime opportunity to reimagine and innovate new and better ways to human...
I for one am going to see it for what it is... and continue to actively work towards a more user-friendly and friendlier Hive Blockchain.
@Steevc, Thank you for giving me the opportunity to share my thoughts on this very important and fundamental aspect of our Blockchain.
I hope that it is received well and that you can see why I think this is so important to all of our success. I really do want to see people win on this blockchain and I don't think that winning by myself is winning at all... unlike maybe some people here.
These are the values of an entrepreneur. We want to bring the people who want to win along with us.
I would also like to say...
Thank you for this very interesting writeUP about what is happening on the blockchain. I really felt that you did a good job of framingUP the discussion and obviously many others did as well based on how many comments you have here!
I will be reading through all of the comments on your post and will be coming by with @Comet.Ranker (seeing as this is a Targeted Post) to Comment Rank them by order of contribution as well!
Obviously this is done with my time and that means the comments are ranked in order based on my opinion and, of course, others who have Comment Ranked before @Comet.Ranker arrived.
I hope that you are having a really wonderful and productive day!
All the best until we talk again,
@wil.metcalfe
P.S. I'm also going to tag @dickturpin, @melinda010100, @joerhino @ryzeonline @cynshineonline @samsmith1971, @wrestlingdesires and @dreemsteem here as I believe that what is being discussed here is of vital importance. We can't hide from the possibility that this is what is happening and there is so much at stake. We are all owners after all. Thank you everyone for your eye, ears, and thoughts! You are all truly the best of the best and I love and respect you all! -Wil
Thanks for the tag @wil.metcalfe A truly important post here from @steevc and equally important response from yourself. There is little for me to add other than to say that I support the views expressed here by the two of you. !LUV !PIZZA
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Thanks so much for the tag :) I'll have a read tonight, it sounds like the plot is thickening! I hope there are great things ahead for Hive, and all of us ☄️
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Wil, you need to learn the value of succinctness. I see a text wall from you and it turns me off. I want opinions, but this looks like a post, not a comment. I did skim over it, but not sure where the actual point is. We obviously have different views of what Hive is and others will differ too. It's a framework that we can hang things on.
Peace
It's not a problem if you don't want to take the time to read down another level Steev. There's a book I would suggest, however, that I think it might be relevant.
Here it is:
And here's the link to where you can read more about this book (if it so interests you) and this is also the link to the image for sourcing purposes.
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/9778945-the-shallows
In the end I think you might do well to note that my thought out response is a form of intellectual respect. Although I can not ask for that same respect in return... I can say that I am a bit disappointed Steev.
Regardless
It's all good!
Thank you for your time. 🙏
In my evening I have had various things to do including writing my own post, responding to (briefer) comments by others, chilling out with some TV and doing the ironing. Time is at a premium. Now you want me to read some book! ;) It's not a matter of respect.
As I think I've said before I have little influence on where Hive goes and those who do probably will not see your comments here, so if you want to influence them you need to spend the effort where it will count. I have seen your comments elsewhere and I know that others are put off by the length. Few will want to read that much, so get the important points down and maybe link in a longer post if they want to know more of what you think. I am just trying to be helpful.
Peace.
Thanks for your advice. Personally... I don't care what those other people think Steve. I took the time to write you because I care about what you think. That is all.
It is a matter of intellectual respect... and seeing as you have given your advice I thought you might be open to reading some advice in the form of a book. 😉
I'm a busy fellow as well... But you had better believe it! I always make time to read and learn from all sorts of people... I want to avoid any bias so that's why I take the time to read ALL the comments (after reading the content.) as well. A comment is a form of respect, especially if it's intellectually sound, and it is really AMAZING what can be learned there!
Perhaps shorter and more concise is preferred... however to write-off something based on how much brain juice went into it... could this not lead to your own form of bias?
I can understand however that you have a lot going on like we all do... and I can understand not everyone is ready to drop it like it's hot and expend the brain juice it would take to reciprocate the effort such as I have made in the above comment...
But despite all that!
I'm confident that I have said something of value and so I stand by my words and how they have been expressed.
But I understand as well.
I save a lot of my deeper thinking, commenting, and composing for the early morning hours because of this very thing. The timing isn't always right for deep reading but I find that mornings are when I am at my best. 🙂
It's been good connecting with you.
I consider you one of the brighter minds here on Hive and I hope that you can see that I bare no ill will (pun intended! lol!) towards you in any way.
I hope that your enjoying your evening my friend!
@wil.metcalfe
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A lil cheeky #FoodForThought ;) Much love, you two! 🙏
Hahahaha! Yep! #FoodForThought indeed! The fact that you took the time to read and recognize the value in both the content of @steevc's post as well as in my responding comment... This is equal to intellectual respect to me and for that I thank you Jay! 🙏
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Hive is not of vital importance to me. In fact, it means very little to me in the big scheme of things. My priority is to heal and become well again. My family is of vital importance, my physical and mental health, and my business is of vital importance. Hive does not even come close.
Your absolutely right Joe. At its essence this is indeed the correct way to view this subject. I admire your priorities my friend! 🙂
Thank you for sharing your perspective. We will talk soon. As you can see I have been busy tying loose ends here but soon I’ll have some more time to talk about the things that really matter. ✅
Great priorities, Joe. Did you end up watching the healing documentary? :) 🙏
Still working through it. Some good stuff. Offline aspects of my business have recently picked up and come to bare fruit so been preoccupied as of late. I will share details of that with you later on.
All good bro, psyched to hear whatever you have to share! #KeepRyzing :) 🙏
The biggest problem with Hive is it is entirely and utterly schizophrenic! It doesn't know what type of platform it is; is it Youtube? Is it Tumblr? is it, Podcast Alley? Or is it Wix? Then let's mix in; Is it a Trading site for Crypto? Is it a gaming site?
We have members who are only interested in the price of Hive and only blog about coins and tokens worth trading. We have Internet influencers who use Hive to dump their "My Time in Mauritius" youtube videos rehashed by editing in the Hive logo, basically "Milking the rewards pool", as another revenue stream given they've already been paid on Youtube!
And don't even get me started on "The Games". Splinterlands, for example, reminds me of the stories we used to see on the TV news about kids being sucked into "In-game purchases" and stealing their parent's credit cards to keep buying the upgrades. I saw a post from someone the other week saying how they had spent a fortune on cards and now stopped playing because they realised, luckily, they were losing too much money.
And then we have the piesta de resistance, people removing other peoples rewards for reasons ranging from Plagiarism to "Not liking you or your opinions."
It’s spot on... if these are growing pains then ok... but I’m beginning to think that this is a whole other kettle of fish... amounting to a very hostile and unfriendly “social” blockchain.
Can’t BUIDL here.
Can’t invite here.
So what’s the point?
Even posting content or commenting feels heavy as a posed to fun, light, and uplifting.
This isn’t going to end well if all of this nonsense continues and people don’t get their heads out of their arses. I’m afraid that by the time they do... it will be to late. This could very well be a rug pull in slow motion.
How else can you explain it?
And interestingly enough... HOW the DV is implemented is at its core.
I just read and reblogged my original introduce yourself posts and my very first post after that about what I was thinking about freedom and the potential of this idea of social on blockchain at the time... In hindsight those two posts are VERY interesting and maybe even telling.
Certainly they have given me pause to think about how and why my journey began here on Hive.
I found it helpful to listen to my words from the dusty past... they inform me as to what I need to do next and they confirm that I am making the right decisions as well.
Thanks for chipping in Peter.
I forgot to mention the growing phenomenon of Tribalism that's now growing more and more on Hive. "You're not in our gang!" People are getting downvoted for daring to post in communities on subjects that members of said communities feel are not relevant. Talk about Lack of social skills instead of maybe posting a comment:
"Hey, we really like having you in our 'Hiding things up your bum' community but creating posts about your dog's new speedboat isn't really relevant to the community. Would you please try and stick to the communities purpose of bum secrets. Thanks."
Folk are just hounded out on their ear instead.
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Your right. And this is also very bad for making Hive a better place. Communities should be a way to bring people together and yet here they are being used to eject people quicker than they come. Another bad sign indeed. Certainly not a place to invest your capital and BUIDL something of worth... like a real community.
I have often thought about why entire civilizations dried up and disappeared... why kingdoms fell... initially they build infrastructure that brought people together and kept them together like Roman Roads and Aqueducts. Those and the ability to freely trade value between each other brought people together as a sort of glue for society.
It’s when those positives get canceled out by negatives adding up to net negative that people abandon systems and ways of humans that might have worked in kinder times.
It’s very interesting but I think that we might be witnessing this phenomenon on Hive!
As I power down and turn my assets back into Bitcoin this will be very interesting to watch and note.
What kills a digital community has a lot of parallels in think. Human history repeats...
And I’m finding it fascinating indeed! 🤔
You going to be at Hive Feast Peter? I just told TheyCallMeDan I would go over on Twitter. Should be pretty interesting I think. I’m interested to get a feel for what those people are thinking about Hives current social direction. I wonder if the issues will be addressed or not. This will be telling...
I don't know we will have to see.
It is all those things and that's fine. Not everyone is a blogger or vlogger and they have other options to earn.
Online gaming is massive and Hive can have a slice of that. There are 350k accounts playing Splinterlands and the game is turning over serious money. Many will see it as an earning opportunity, but it's their choice. Just because it's not your thing does not make it illegitimate.
That's also okay. There is a finite reward pool and the community get to decide who gets some of it. People do try to get it by fraud or other underhand means. Differences of opinion will happen. The big accounts can wipe you out, but often you can wait for them to get bored if you stop winding them up.
Some people can't seem to understand what Hive was designed to be and how others use it. A few people having a bad experience does not mean it has failed.
This is why it will take forever to grow or find those elusive new users, especially from the Open Source community because each community is only concerned with itself and when people go on Twitter saying: "See! Facebook is down come and join Hive and get paid for what you write." and you get there and find it's a shedload of work and you have to work VERY hard to get anywhere or buy your way up the ladder buy spending fiat to buy Hive. And it seems to me that's what a lot of people do, buy in to the platform.
I would think you would support something that requires hard work to earn anything. I was grinding away for ages before I made much, but it can be social too. If you are just chasing money the returns can seem low, yet people are active on FB for no money.
I get that some are desperate for making anything, but you should have to add some value. They won't be able to afford to buy in, so they need to find an audience for what they do.
I saw someone do an 'urbex' (urban exploring) post that was a just series of pictures of the same view of the outside of a building. That is not exploring and just trying to cash in on something. There's loads of low effort posts fishing for votes, so you have to stand out. I may mention this in my #FollowFriday post later.
The thing is, you get a different experience on FB than Hive. The problem starts when you earn that very first $1.00, like it or not, there's an expectation of making $1.00 or more next time, and then you look at established accounts drawing $50 - $150 a time and think, "WTF? is this worth it?"
Hive is not really a social platform like FB nobody goes on Hive and says, "Hey Steve, what did you have for dinner last night?" But on FB, you could get a hundred or more responses to that question. On Hive, you're likely to get a DV for poor content. 🤣
Yes they are quite different. Some people do post their dinner/beer/walk/run on Hive though. Expectations are likely to be wrong though and money changes the equation a lot. You can chase the money, but I always tried to make it social. I would not have stuck around through the tough times if it wasn't fun. I actually get far more engagement on Hive than I've had on any blog I've done. I do think you tend to get out what you put in.
Looking at trending gives a very distorted view. It's all at the whims of the whales. Meanwhile others are making $1-10 per post from an engaged audience of small-fry.
I used FB to stay in touch with a few people, but I find it a crap user experience with all the ads. I'm not going to post really personal stuff on Hive as it will never have the privacy controls.
Horses for courses mate.
You get a shot at getting paid for the shit content though. Where else can you find some tips for posting what you're about to eat for dinner? 0.1$ on a comment is still 0.1$ to your wallet vs 1000 comments on facebook.
I think people miss out the part where it takes money to print more money. And while some people can complain they're not getting anywhere from just starting out here, it just speaks entitlement to try and ask for the benefits of being established without doing some growing in the community socially to get that point.
Giving free money doesn't make people stay. I'd rather be stingy with my votes than give social aids to people that would eat up their seeds instead of planting them and then be bothered why others are harvesting the fruits from the trees they planted.
People forget that while the money element is overt, the principles of social networking are still the same. And it's more about people liking you for being you and what you bring to the table at a social level than actually about your content in general. Most of the content here aren't my cup of tea but I like the person enough to offer some tips for a job well done. That's just it, a tip. But you get no loss of coins from your wallet and you earn some for yourself and the person you tipped on.
Well, that's what I advocated—doing away with the current voting system and implementing a gift (Donation) system.
I never seem to be able to explain myself well enough when it comes to Hive. The only other way I can think to say it: When I'm on Mastodon, I'm not really looking for anything. Sure it's nice to get a reply or even reblog, but when I'm on Hive, it's like "Game on!" Is my post worthy of some votes? Will it interest anyone? Have I covered this before? Have I copied anyone? Am I using the correct tags? Am I posting in the right communities? should I promote it?
Sometimes it's nice just to go on Mastodon and post meaningless shit. 🤣
Dbuzz. Or just post meaningless shit because some people would support meaningless shit out there.
There's a tipping feature already. If you use that, you belong to less than 1% of the users here. Most don't use it because it has psychological impact equated to actual loss of money right from their pockets even if they know they can just print more from curation.
The whole thing is just a tipping platform for sharing meaningless shit, interest or opinions. People want to get paid for their opinions and meaningless shit they share. Some don't think that's nice.
And we have organizers of comet.wanker to tip their own accounts for doing a good fucking job that justifies their branding.
For the love of the Pond Gods and call down the wrath of HW? They seem to dislike Dbuzz?
I have to say, even though I can't entirely agree with a few of the decisions, I actually have a lot of respect for HW (guiltyparties) mainly because they've always treated me with respect even when I've disagreed with them. Respect goes a long way in my book.
But isn't that precisely what buildawhale, minnowbooster, and all the other so-called leg-up groups are basically doing? See, I think this has more to do with face fitting than any deliberate act of wrongdoing. It was the same in the appeals channel when I was conversing with so-called wrongdoers. I'd watched the very same people who ripped me to shreds do EXACTLY the same thing prior to when I started, and to a certain extent, they still continue today, so that tells me it had fook all to do with rules and everything to do with muscling in on their perceived turf "Who the fuck is this newcomer coming in here acting like he's one of us? This is our group cheeky fucker." I know exactly what ran through the tiny minds; it was obvious to us grown-ups.It has other history leading up to that conclusion and a mix of turds that abuse nice things. I think of it as a project that has loop holes where admins refuse to implement some measures. It's like, if copy pasting links to your interests is what dbuzz is about (or part of the culture it tries to promote), then what's stopping multiple users or a user from creating multiple personalities and just doing the bare minimum of just that? On the surface level newcomers aren't expected to get it but a lot of the stuff that happens here have years long history which makes another level of complicated.
Those projects have retired afaik but the stake is still there. I can't speak for the people you refer and maybe even better to just actually tag them as this is a better place to record everything than discord. The mean people have seen plenty that immersing on the task too long can make one jaded. I can see the point some rainbow pony believers want to promote with their positivity drive but I have been on both sides of the spectrum to know both extremes are whacked.
Some people are pieces of shits that needed to be downvoted. Some people need to have their nice positive world actually grounded to the real thing. And some also need to take a chill pill with the antiabuse thing because not everyone commits stupid shit with full awareness. There's a learning curve to use Hive so some leniency could here and there wouldn't be that bad.
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I upvoted that emoji for the effort. I consider it meaningless shit that doesn't add value to the conversation but I upvoted it anyway for taking the effort to reply.
You said a mouthful @wil.metcalfe and I'm not sure there's much I can add, especially since I've shared on this and related topics many times in my few months on Hive, often in extremely detail, and most of them received hundreds of comments from Hivers.
- Freedom, Censorship, & You: The Ultimate Guide (Emma's Dilemma) Pt. 1
- What Kind Of Community Does Hive Want To Be?
- 9 Truths About Power, Abuse, & Downvotes (You'll Probably Hate)
- Plagiarism, Pitchforks, & Witch-Hunts... Hive-Style!
Anyone who's truly passionate about this topic would be wise to read and absorb the wisdom shared in these posts, because I personally believe a more enlightening body of work on the topic doesn't exist, at least on Hive.
The only thing I don't touch on here is 'code is law', because 'code' is changeable and always reflects the values and principles of the coders, so it's the coders/communities personal values that matter most.
I hope Hive blossoms beautifully, but only time will tell. 🙏
Is it though? Downvotes take away rewards, but you need a lot of actually hide your content and it can still be seen if people want to.
For me it is not at all about rewards, but rather taking away my voice on posts that I want to support. I do send out tips to those people because continuous downvotes disgust me.
Well you do pretty well anyway and I see you send tokens to people. Nobody can take that away. peakd allows for tipping as an alternative/addition to voting. Of course that reduces what you have, but if your own rewards are good then why not spread it around. We have options.
We can't stop people downvoting and if you want the freedom to earn you have to put up with some crap too.
It's to the point now where I'm no longer interested in the reward pool. It's become something for people to control and fight over. I am now turning my attention to (mostly) powering down so that I can get back to trading. Then I'll take a percentage of that income to tip directly to the content producers I believe to be deserving.
You see what I mean...
Somethings broken.
And once the word gets out there within the larger crypto community it is going to look pretty nasty for Hive.
We are creating internal conflict and that's nothing but bad news for the blockchain.
It's really to bad...
But this is what's happening.
And you can't invite anyone outside of all this to the blockchain... until it's fixed.
It's a shame Steev because I really do believe that this is an opportunity to innovate new and better way's to human...
If we can't show the world this as a use case...
How are we better than what's already being done?
Anyways...
These are my thoughts.
Thanks so much for hearing me out as always.
@wil.metcalfe
It looks like your trying to do something... lol! If your not trying to create a cancel culture I don't know what else you might be doing... But I do know that this isn't how you create a thriving social environment that's freedom centric my friend.
But hey! I gotta hand it to you! Thank you for making it clear for everyone to see... You lead a whole pack of bullies on this blockchain.
This is exactly why the DV needs to be rethought, evolved, and innovated. No one in their right mind is going to invite anyone to come to this blockchain knowing what is really going down here.
This mentality (made possible by unthought out code) isn't moving us forward but backwards.
I am a real person who manually curates and creates content... My name is plain to see and so is my identity in that I have my personal profile picture up for all to see.
I don't hide in the shadows but rather I speak truth and find way's to compound trust... and I stand up to bullies online just like I would do in real life.
I hope that this has giving you pause on your most recent DV Spamming of my account.
In the end...
I thank you.
Because now I see you (and all the rest).
This is a good thing that you have done.
@wil.metcalfe
I only return favors. And I don't mind going through disproportionate length to do it.
Think before you act.
Did you notice I DV on comments that didn't have any pay out on them? (Unlike how you DV Spammed me...) Those DV's were based on what was in the content. Bump a glass and you find out pretty quickly what it's been filled with. Despite that... Do you really want to get into a DV war with me over this? (I have a lot more weight than 1st meets the eye I'll have you know... 😉)
But regardless... this is a perfect object lesson for why the DV needs to be reimagined and innovated past it's current social state. The DV mostly isn't productive unless it's being used in way's that make this Blockchain better. The difference in how you used it and how I did is pretty clear.
I hope that the rest of your day is a good one.
Chow for now,
@wil.metcalfe
I have dealt those with 10x your HP combined across multiple accounts.
Now, take your pretentious comments elsewhere and learn to type in a way that's not wasting everyone's time.
You have made your point to leave. Then, leave like you said you would.
There you go. That's exactly the reason your comment (that was already at zero by the way) was DV. This attitude your sporting isn't winning any awards anywhere... It's, in fact, a big step backwards for ALL of us owners here on Hive.
I decided to move my business's off the blockchain... But don't for a second think that means I'm going anywhere. There's still a lot to do on this blockchain and if I go... then who's going to stand up to bullies like you?
Please consider this a fair warning. I don't like and will not put up with people bullying others on this blockchain. So long as I'm here and whenever I come across something detrimental (bullying, etc.) to another users wellbeing... I will always step into that gap.
No one like a bully and it doesn't matter if your online or in real life... it's not something that people should openly accept.
If people walk on by when someone is being bullied it say's a lot about those people... and I'm not one of them.
That's all I'm going to say in explanation. I did you the honor of explaining myself... and I hope that says something in and of it's self.
I'm NOT going to tolerate this no matter how much stake is thrown around.
My cards are on the table sir.
How about you shut up and stay in the niche communities you "lord" over?
Who made you the arbiter of what is acceptable across the entire chain? You are several million HP shy of even attempting that.
You and your pretentious exchanges with whales have shown me that you are not someone to be respected, or even considered to be a good person.
You are just another whack job who cowers before whales and only dare to push smaller wallets around with your façade of "sophisticated" long ass comments that probably could be summed up in 100 words or less.
That's my line.
Very good then! Having bumped you I now see what is inside. Thank you for showing me who you are (at least on this blockchain). 👍
You know... you think that your making progress or hurting me on this blockchain. But here's the thing... I have pretty thick skin. And everything you and your gang of bullies is doing... sure! It might take away some finical capital (maybe a Starbucks coffee or two) but ultimately... this behavior is plain as day and for everyone to see... Your eventually going to begin loosing social capital... and your going to surround yourself with people just like you. And if there's anything I know... people get the people they deserve.
Thank you for reminding me of all the valuable lessons learned in the past. I'm truly grateful to you. 🙂
Mean comment
This is the one you manually curated to be mean? Of all the things I said on the blockchain.
Your celebrating something that shouldn't be celebrated. Being mean isn't a good thing. We need a more human approach after all we are all surviving this inhuman virus are we not? We should be taking these unprecedented times as an opportunity to be more thoughtful and caring in all that we do.
This isn't to single out any particular comment you have made... It is only to Comment Rank the comments here on Steve's post. There were so many good things to say, or at least things that could add to the conversation or the content of the post... Why use the blockchain to spread this?
So yes...
In my books... that's why I decided to use the DV.
Personally... I don't much enjoy using this feature and I would like to see the DV reimagined and innovated in a way that evolves social here on Hive... But seeing as its here I thought that I would do my part to at least signal to you that being mean isn't a good thing no matter how many ways you slice it... and it does have a very detrimental effect on our blockchain.
You should also note that I have DV'ed on the comment above which has no payout. It's simply a message to you from me.
It doesn't matter whether it has payouts or not, I understood it as a statement anyway. You're downvoting based on your opinions as I do my downvotes too
Your happily celebrating being mean. What's worse? I think you know the answer to that.
I am happily celebrating that I can be sarcastic and have my comment seen as a jest by the person I directed it to, to which I intended it to be and the recipient gets it, and have upvoted it in good faith.
Now shove the fighting mean people crusade right up there and also into the horse that you rode on with it.
Hahaha! That’s a good response. Not a friendly one but authentically you. I’ll give you an upvote for at least being your true self. 😆👍
With a rep of 75 people can only really affect your rewards and that's just money. Can you suggest how we deal with abuse without downvotes and how we differentiate from those done maliciously?
Maybe kind suggestions and instructions on what our expectations are? We all work too hard to onboard and retain new users, only to see them driven away by downvotes.
I don't want to see people driven away. Anti-abuse projects should allow some leniency if people make basic mistakes. Not all abuse is malicious.
I have recently started looking at other platforms to see how they handle abuse and if they are friendlier places to be and I have been rather delighted to meet up with old friends and horrified at how many have left Hive. I don't have any solutions, but something is wrong here.
Shadowhunters is often a first stop for new Ecency mobile users and we work hard to welcome, instruct and help retain. It is disappointing when I see them later leave after making a mistake and getting downvoted. It is devasting for people who are often not English speakers and lack confidence here..
Well we need to find solutions. There are some people you can never reason with, but we should do what we can to improve matters. As I've said we cannot afford to keep losing good people.
I am putting many of my responsibilities on hold this week to take a much needed step back from Hive.
And @melinda010100 isn't the only one making difficult decisions about how Hive fits (or doesn't in it's current social state) into our plans for the future... I have been running several fitness initiatives for over 3 years. Painfully I have decided to shut those down (after toiling over the decision or months upon realizing that Hive was heading for trouble). I can no longer with confidence invite any of my clients or potential clients to the blockchain. It's not a hospitable place... and for a futuristic blockchain that's "social" that's a real shame...
But that's how outspoken people (who care about Hive) are feeling right now... Imagine how many people (new and old) just decided this place wasn't for them and quietly left for warmer digital shores.
It's a big number and it's only growing.
It's a shame if it cannot work for you. Although some may have a bad experience many more are actually just using it every day in blissful ignorance of such problems. I get that you had some conflict, but that does not mean that everyone does. If you are talking to others in the same boat then you are just getting confirmation bias rather than seeing the bigger picture.
It's only a matter of time. Social spreads... All it takes is a careful examination of the fundamentals and how code in the form of blockchain scales those fundamentals.
My minor was phycology in university and I have been programing code since the age of 14... It is based on this level of thought and careful cultivation that I have a very strong opinion on where I think attempting to normalize the DV will take us... And I assure you. It's going to end badly.
However, If you don't believe what I am saying then please just consider me another canary in the coal mine. 🙂
Thanks for all the interesting discussion Steev. Just finished reading through and Comment Ranking most of the comments on this post. It's really interesting to take the time to carefully evaluate comments in this way. You can learn so much about this blockchain and how people are currently thinking/feeling about it.
I consider writing a form of speaking... but when your reading through the comments... it's all about the listening and learning!
Your post gave me the opportunity to do a lot of that so, again, I thank you! 🙏
Sincerely,
@wil.metcalfe
Freewriters has been getting some newbie intros too. I have yet to see any turned away despite being off topic and doubt I ever will ❤️
My suggestion would be new accounts that don't know what they are doing be warmly welcomed and guided. This doesn't mean upvote low effort even on a first post. It means being kind and directing them to a group chat which can instruct, as well as leaving an invitation for them to ask further questions.
We don't have to drive people away in our effort to get rid of bad posts. Instead help them to find where they fit. I have seen we have Dbuzz for tweet style, many photography communities, even a place for memes. If one isn't a writer, they can still find a niche. Or build one.
Downvoting is a voice too. It says it disagrees with your voice. (as in, if your vote is a voice so is a downvote)
I disagree that your vote is your voice. Your posts are your voice, your vote is a show of appreciation for someones voice. But, even if I disagree with your belief about votes, I'm not downvoting you. I'm using my voice to tell you what I think.
Thanks for your opinion @shadowspub.
Brilliant. I think the same way and fortunately the "good apples" exist in a sufficient number that it keeps making me come back
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We can't let the rotten ones spoil it for us. I find Hive can be pretty social and it's not always about money.
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I swear to the gods the way some people act on social media you'd think they walk around with 2 black eyes in real life. Nobody can act that way in real life and not get punched in the nose. There's always a few.
I tend to try and treat people the way I would if I had met them in real life.
I never got too concerned with Hive politics and I think for me, that's a good thing. I'm generally happy when things are bad and I'm generally happy when things are good. Sometimes ignorance is bliss. 🤣
No matter what's happening behind the scenes though we always seem to make it past, and things seem to be improving all around. Maybe I'm just overly optimistic too. I see so much happening on this blockchain though and so many people putting in so much work.
IDK, I see rainbows and unicorns for the future here. In time I think all the little kinks will work themselves out.
If you post a picture of a unicorn farting a rainbow, I'm gonna give a ruddy good punch on the bum chummy!
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And why would one need to?
I'm willing to bet the average joes that did super well on Hive didn't spend time trying to impress "curators". They probably spent time playing Splinterlands instead.
A lot of people seem to get caught up in the political aspect or "politics" of HIVE. That's kind of my point though, I really don't need to.. My attitude towards HIVE has always been, "What does it do, and how well does it do it?"
It's a blogging and social media platform and for the most part it does that pretty well with the occasional hiccup or two.
I think this is fairly true also. Early adopters and people that took the platform seriously early on really reaped the rewards. Splinterlands players have also been handsomely reward for their time and energy.
I don't think it's about impressing curators either. I think people just need to be themselves, use the platform for what it was designed for and don't try and game the system. The rest of it should fall in place followers, curation trails, community support etc all come in time... IMHO.
And that's the truest statement.
I think people ought to be more aware of what goes on here, for good or ill and take some responsibility. If you want a share of the rewards then you should be giving something back. That does not have to include downvoting people, but reporting abuse can help others deal with it. If you saw someone smashing up a car in your street you would probably call the cops and being a good Hive citizen ought to mean having a similar attitude. Citizenship can also include promoting Hive and encouraging people who are already here.
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Definitely :) A good example of this would be the phishers. I think we can all agree they should be downvoted to oblivion. Surely nobody has ever publicly spoken in their defense 🤣
So in my opinion if you see one, tag a few orcas and whales ❤️In this situation a downvote party should always be on the calendar!
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Why should anyone have to explain a power down? People can do what they like with their rewards.
Steve, I don't know what to think ... It doesn't seem like a good idea to give random stab wounds just because someone has money. I believe that this Hive approach is a bit to be corrected.
Wow thanks for the insight, I am completely oblivious to all this; I too fall into the ignorance is bliss camp. I am not a big user of traditional social media, which feels impersonal somehow compared to the Hive world. The financial incentive for me is small, but meaningful nevertheless.
I think more people need to understand what goes on here. I think earning gives you some responsibilities. Those who give something back are likely to do better anyway. We are a community and we value good citizens. Just have to find ways to deal with the bad ones.
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Have a nice day.
This is exactly what we should all do, both on Hive and everywhere else ❤️
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most time people just make hive accounts just to try botnet peoples post most time.
issue is not like how twitter or facebook like block them and etc. but my view as what hive should have full control is have block system prevent them posting.
far i seen with few my friends post, always stuff like
gangstalkingstarting posting random stuff everyones post as botnet. but i do understand rep helps make it go blacklist/Good REP but issue that part is how canyoui meanyou as personblock them prevent posts by that user.so i enjoy hive a lot because i meet loads Awesome people over VimmTV and been ongoing for me meet new community's and stuff. and so far i am happy that DEV VimmTV few days ago because i was planning help them push forward as adding OAuth2 System, Minecraft Interactive and many features that Twitch doesn't own.
so far things going well for me even
ShmoogleOsukamiis 1 who helped me setup my Hive witness for me, without Vimm i wouldn't even know i doing XD.and Your posts not issue for me, in my view you post lot stuff get more words out and help other users as well. you really good person do that, but time of work getting that setup is a lot work. but only downside is like i say above just loads bots accounts on hive chain do DV and Posting random stuff as offtopics.
for my view you did grate and all work spend on you mainly deserve more on it.
If we want freedom then we have to put up with some who abuse it. gangstalking/anddumbc*nts are operated by someone who has a grudge against others on Hive. We can't stop them, but they do little damage. I do fear others will do the same and we could see more spam, but sites like peakd could do something to make it less visible.
true, peakd should do something about it a lot. even it keeps going threw other platforms too like DBUZZ and many more. so people need step up have mute or something block them out in visible.
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If I had to add my 2c to what you've already said, and cherry picking particular points, this would be a very long comment, @steevc. By and large I agree wholeheartedly with your sentiments. I am one of those who rarely exercises her downvotes - I'd rather just ignore content that, for want of a better way of putting it, doesn't work for me. I will agree to differ - where it's not personal. When things get personal, I walk away. ad hominems are simply just not cricket.
I have, only in the last little while, begun sticking my head above the parapet again. On that other blockchain, I made a remark on a whale/witness's post and got caught in a whale war. It wasn't fun and for a good while, this was my approach:
The advent of Hive and the developments with the Equilibrium hardfork, I think, have been good for the blockchain and the ecosystem. By and large, it seems a kinder place and I do like that there is a sense that there is a group of people working to make it stay that way.
I have long said that I'm not a fan of communities. And yes, I now co-administer one and remain somewhat conflicted. As an administrator one has to police - I hate the notion - but if you want the community to be "true" to its theme/mission/whatever you call it, that has to happen. Why? There are no criteria that have to be met for posting in the community. Anyone can use the tag. Without having subscribed. Some
personalitiestake umbrage at being told they don't fit. Anyhow, it's all part of the process, I suppose.Finally, on the earning thing: I have to be earning. Period. Whether it's here or in RL. There are bills to pay and debt to settle. More than before. Thanks to the big C. Not asking for sympathy; fact. That means a cost:benefit analysis. Technically. I have always seen my time writing/creating as sweat equity. If I knew that my time on comments, admin and on Discord could be viewed/have a similar measurable return, I might do more on the chain. Right now, I comment on posts that resonate; I spend minimal time on Discord (have had some unhappy experiences there, too), do my community duties and post. This last is not always to the standard I'd like - those longer, more contemplative posts can take days. Interestingly, those often yield lower rewards than the others that I sometimes consider to be total tat.
That, I guess, is the paradox and pleasure of the social blockchain and cryptoblogging.
Thanks for thought provoking read.
I have been part of anti-abuse efforts because I cannot stand by and see the platform get trashed. It's largely about dealing with people taking and giving nothing back. That can be massive self-votes, circle-j*rks, plagiarism, identity theft and other means. It's not always about 'does not work for me'. We have a finite rewards pool and I want to see it go where it is earned even if I don't like that content.
Nobody is entitled to rewards, but there is inevitable favouritism that means some will do better than others whatever they do.
I have created some communities, but they are not really about rewards. It's about getting like-minded people together as you would on an old-style forum. So far I have not had to ban anyone.
As I said, it's imperfect, but still has potential.
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Hmmm...yes. Point taken. My becoming more overtly, albeit "quietly" is also about keeping the place kind. What I am not relishing is potentially having to weild the big stick. I suppose that comes with growing up and recognizing that one's stake is real and needs looking after.
Thanks for giving me another perspective.
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I think many would consider you very lucky to be making $30 on most posts even if you didn't ask for it. I rarely make that much, but I'm not going to suck up to anyone. There is an element of luck in who likes what you do, but it's just not viable for everyone to make that much. I think the price will only really go up if we get a lot more users and then the rewards will be spread further.
Yes, there are 'circles'. When they are only rewarding a small crowd then that is bad for Hive and can be seen as abuse. Everything is public, so it can be detected.
I know you, and I have butted heads on this subject several times, but I have to say that I'm impressed that you seem to have taken on board one or two of the points I made to you. What a brilliant, well thought out, even-handed piece this is. ^5
I think we should highlight that there are two complaints with regards to DV
1. The use of DV by the likes of Hivewtacher and or other groups.
2. The use of DV as a personal weapon.
It would be nice if all cases of DV were so crystal clear or blindingly deserving of retribution, but sadly they're not. The problem is that while we do have a marginally high proportion of Deliberate, wrongdoers to use your favourite phrase, generalisations are made in that THEY ALL KNOW FULL WELL WHAT THEY ARE DOING! I suppose people are not willing to cut anybody some slack anymore after four years of dealing with, effectively, crooks.
I'm pretty uneasy about a massive DV being dropped on someone for failing to give the source of a single image, for example. It seems overly harsh to me. A warning message and or an invitation to have the problem explained seems a much nicer way.
Then we have the account holding a hefty Hive amount, not necessarily a whale either. An account that doesn't like you criticising Hive or groups such as HW or asking any questions that might be uncomfortable. It Downvotes you, "I will downvote EVERYTHING you post from now on." it certainly makes an outspoken person such as myself ensure that what I write is carefully thought out for fear of inviting the wrath of Khan the downvoter! Which begs the question: Is Hive Free? Yes, it is free, but not in the values of freedom I hold dear.
Sadly, it is free for those who hold a LOT of Hive; they have nothing to fear "Meh, that DV is only a couple of cents." but to some accounts, they can't afford to lose 1 Cent let alone a couple. Oh, and while we're on the subject of 'Losing your rewards' again, only the rich can afford to make statements like that to someone who generally only makes $0.03 a post to lose $4.37 on a potential payout is probably devastating, let alone the effect on their mental wellbeing. So please, everyone. Get a grip! You do lose those rewards. Stop insulting people by saying "You haven't earned it yet, so you haven't lost it because you never had it." How about I speak to peoples employers and say, "Don't pay them this week; they may well have made 3000 bricks, but until payday comes, they haven't earned it yet." 🤦♂️
The latest one I'm seeing is communities throwing their weight around, and I hold my hand up; I was party to this yesterday over the teamuk tag whereby I was saying that only Brit's should be allowed to use the tag and anyone "That wasn't a Brit who used the tag should be taken to the market place and shot in the back of the head!" We both know I didn't actually say that, but you get my drift. I noticed this afternoon yet another individual has had their spuds kicked for posting in the wrong channel.
There's probably more I want to say, but I'm sure someone will try to control me and my comments by claiming I'm posting yet another "Wall of Text." 🤦♂️
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That and 12-year-olds having a lot of Hive. 🤣🤣🤣
That sounds to me people like you have less gall than that @gangstalking guy. He actually gets it that nobody can truly censor him.
You and the rest of the lot may carry on appeasing "12-year-olds with a lot of HIVE" by pretending to be "content creators" when there are plenty of ways to earn on Hive.
A couple of cents is just a couple of cents and is not likely to change a life, but some lose more than that for whatever reasons. I think there are very few here who will keep wiping someone out through spite and they have limited downvotes to do that with.
Operations like HW ought to have a strikes system or something, but then a small downvote can get someone's attention. Not crediting an image is a lesser crime really unless they are actually claiming it as their own. On another platform I saw people claim they took pictures from 'Google Images', which just meant they did an image search and just took one without checking the rights on it.
Communities are the area where people do have some control over who gets to play and owners may use strong-arm tactics. That doesn't stop you being in other communities or you can just not use them.
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All I care is that the people doing downvoting are more or less consistent about what they downvote.
That would be nice, but people will just do what they feel like. Some will never downvote and others do it for fun. I just think it's not the end of the world scenario some portray it as considering some are not even aware it's considered an issue.
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