LET'S TALK ABOUT PALnet: I've mixed thoughts so far; what is your first impression?

in #palnet2 years ago (edited)
111.jpgIn my previous post I introduced many of you, my dear readers, to an interesting Airdrop launched by PALnet.io.

INTRODUCTION

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Right away it seemed to be very obvious that their marketing campaign has been very efficient - almost everyone I know had already heard about this social media platform.

I've noticed solid hype around this project and the team behind it.
And the general strong believe that PALnet will do well in the future.

But will it really do well?

Today, just 2 weeks later I decided to share with you all my little experience with this platform. However my goal is mostly to find out what other people think about PALnet. What are the strengths and weaknesses of this social media platform? I wonder how many people believe that PAL token has actually a future and how many of us would actually use PALnet.io site instead of steemit.com (or other front ends).

SIMILARITIES AND DIFFERENCES

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Visually at the first glance PALnet does look like just another "clone" of Steemit.com as the interface isn't that much different. The initial question raised in my head: why do we need another front-end, that looks like a copy of an old one from Steemit ?(which is not really considered to be user-friendly)

Below I will share a few spotted differences and hopefully some of you can add few more, which i didn't spot in the first place.

So let's start with the obvious:

  • PAL reward system is 50/50 (authors/curators), which is exactly the way Steemit will be after HF21 (Hard Fork 21)
  • we receive our full rewards in PAL tokens. So we can trade 100% of our rewards right away without the need of powering down (unsteaking).
  • wallet is simplified and is "build in" (which makes it so convinient to use it; it used to be that way on Steemit in the past)
  • only posts with "PALNET" tag are being displayed
  • PROMOTED - publications from this tab are also being displayed on the "trending" page (I found it a great step in the right direction as we need to find ways

Anything else? Oh yeah. There is one more drastic change. The one that put's me off the most from using PALnet.io: DISSAPEARING COMMENTS

DISSAPEARING COMMENTS on PALnet.io

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This is in my opinion on one of the biggest issues with this platform. Regardless how much I initially believed in the future of PALnet and how I appreciate the work done by their developers, I must to say that this problem can be a nail to the coffin. For some unknown reason this platform isn't displaying all comments. Please allow me to share example of the very same post being displayed both: on Steemit and PALnet.io:

When I noticed it for the first time I was like: WTF???!?!?!?

Do you guys see the problem?How can 240 comments simply "dissapear"? That's like over 60% comments not being displayed. I also checked the "Replies" tab and it's not any different. Many users comments I usually would be able to see while using Steemit or Steempeak - are simply not being shown on PALnet.io. I believe this is a serious issue, one that should be solved by developers ASAP.

I'm pretty sure that there is some good technical reason behind it, however it's also important to understand that this is the biggest threat for PALnetp People will simply not care about a technical explanations and they will stop using PALnet.io to browse and engage with others if this continues. I may be wrong, but that's at least how I see it.

FINAL THOUGHTS / SHARE YOUR OPINION

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I really do wish PALnet and their team all the best, to the point that I invested my own time in promoting their airdrop and I also invested part of my own STEEM into PAL tokens. However personally I'm not planning to use this platform to navigate and engage with other users until problem of "invisible comments" will be fixed.

I would also like to ask all readers about your own experience with PALnet.io. Could you share own opinion with me? Did you spot any other meaningful differences between Steemit and PALnet? Is there any reason to believe that PAL tokens will have a future? What is your own experience with this platform so far?

Please do share your thoughts with me. I read, reply and upvote all quality comments.

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Additional important question:

Does anyone know what actually does happen to rewards if I upvote post on Steemit published by someone, who doesn't have account on PALnet? This person won't receive his 50% of PAL reward. So does it mean that that 50% is being waster / burned? Or perhaps in that case as curator I will receive 100% of reward as a curator?

Yours,
Piotr

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I really like the idea for PAL and I use it all the time now, yes things will be much better after HF21

Hi @mrme1984

Thank you for your comment. I was wondering if you've also noticed those dissapearing comments? I'm trying to figure out why so many comments are being displayed on Steemit (and other platforms) and they are hidden/invisible on Palnet.

Yours
Piotr

I assume that those users not part of PAL

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PALnet is a good start. If they can do the economics better than Steem then I will not power down my PALnet tokens like I am doing with Steem. The Steem economy does not work and I really hope the lessons are learned.

Dear @dana-edwards

The problem I see is the fact ,that PALnet economy is build on top of STEEM economy. So if price of STEEM will be tanking, then PAL tokens will also become worthless :(

When you are in PALnet, post articles or voting, it is also published at STEMMIT.com and voting is completed.
You can at the same time Get PAL coin and Steem coin...
So pay attention to the power level between the two..

Hi @crypto.piotr,
Thank you for this nice post. I quite like palnet but I believe it is a bit complicated for most of us to understand what and how Palnet works. I try to give some explanaitions but I'm not sure to be right about it ;-):

  • Palnet works on steem blockchain and you can post from whatever platform that you wish (steempeak, steemit, ...) and it will be visible on palnet as long as you put the palnet tag.
  • Why do comments disapear? In the past on dtbube some comments were not visible because they were written on another platform. So for example if people post a comment on palnet it may not be visible on steemit or vice versa. I'm not 100% sure about this one. For example I'm writing a comment here on steemit and I don't know whether it will be visible on palnet...
  • Is it a steemit clone ?
    Palnet is actually a standardised product developed by @aggroed and his team on steem-engine called SCOT that allows you to run your own cryptocurrency on steem using a community website. So if we look at palnet, steemleo or other similar communities, they will come with a similar layout and concept.

Does palnet have a future?

I believe that Planet is a really nice and intersting project and I always keep in mind that I can use palcoin to upvote my posts through @minnowsupport. So there is a sink for which the coin can be used. Palnet has another big advantage. With other scot projects coming alive every day, planet has the advantage that it has already a big community that has staked palcoins. So if a user tries to get the maximum out of his post, he will use the tag where he has most staked coins. Since there is only space for 5 tags per posts, it might be difficult for new communities to take palnets place.

Best regards,

Achim

Dear @achim03

Amazing comment. Seriously I appreciate.

Why do comments disapear? In the past on dtbube some comments were not visible because they were written on another platform.

I also figured out that disappearing comments have something to do with PALnet userbase. I'm not sure what's the advantage of this solution. Right now I'm trying to use PALnet.io to engage with people.

However all I have learned is that once I reply to everyone, I still need to visit my own profile via any other front-end (most likely Steemit) to spot those comments I didn't have a chance to read and reply yet.

Other people are in very similar position and my impression is, that most will stop using palnet.io sooner than later.

So for example if people post a comment on palnet it may not be visible on steemit or vice versa. I'm not 100% sure about this one. For example I'm writing a comment g zhere on steemit and I don't know whether it will be visible on palnet...

Don't you think that it's a real problem and put-off? I wish palnet developers would do something about it before they will lose most of their traffic on their site.

I can use palcoin to upvote my posts through @minnowsupport. So there is a sink for which the coin can be used.

Sink? Meaning? You send PAL tokens to upvote your posts on Steemit via minnowsupport, right? And those tokens are burned (send to null)? Is that right?

ps.
A bit off-topic: wouldn't you think that people selling their steem and buying all those new tokens available on steem-engine can be a main reason for current drop of steem price? (increased selling pressure)?

Yours
Piotr

Hi piotr,

Thank you for answering my comment.

Sink? Meaning? You send PAL tokens to upvote your posts on Steemit via minnowsupport, right? And those tokens are burned (send to null)? Is that right?

Excactly

A bit off-topic: wouldn't you think that people selling their steem and buying all those new tokens available on steem-engine can be a main reason for current drop of steem price? (increased selling pressure)?

I believe that you are quite right about that. I couldn't find out yet why there is an impact on the steem/usd price but I believe that a lot of users sell their steem to buy Palcoin or all the tons of other coins.
I also witnessed that the prices for cards on steemmonsters are increasing constantly. Meaning that there is a big demand for them. I believe that this creates an inderect selling pressure and could well be the trigger for the bigger sell off of steem.

Best regards my friend,

Achim

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Hey @achim03, here is your BEER token. Enjoy it!

You deserve some !BEER

I think that PAL net will be around for a long time.

I believe the reason for so-called disappearing comments is simply the person leaving the comment is not a PALnet member. Yes it can be confusing, however PALnet allows for a new start for people that have been slammed and banged about in steemit and are constantly having their comments greyed out by individuals or groups. Also PALnet does take steps to protect it's users, and will ban/block people from their portal if needed. Many will see this as censorship, but there are a few common sense rules that are and will be enforced on PALnet. No action taken on the PALnet side will effect how an individuals post are viewed on steemit or other front ends.

As for the 50/50 split, that is only on your PAL tokens. They are not taking 50% of your steem token rewards from your steemit post or other front end post. You are actually getting two payouts on PALnet post. Steem and PAL

It is my understanding that if you vote on a post that does not have #palnet as a tag then you are not spending any of your PALnet Vote Power on that post. So you get no curation reward. If a non palnet member uses the #palnet tag, I am not sure what would happen, I would like to think that the non-used 50% would go to the token burn pile, but like you I am not sure on that.

The nice thing about the scot-tribes/communities, is you do not need to use their front end. You can stay on steemit and see all the comments, vote on a post and if #palnet is in the tag of that post you will be automatically curating with your PALnet vote.

If an individual has grown completely tired of any of the other front ends because of harassment, then they can spend the vast majority of their time on PAlnet and not be bothered by the Steemian, or Leoians or any of the other front end groups. If you are on PALnet you will not see comments from non-palnet users in you replies box. Like wise you will not see comments you made to non-palnet post in your comment box.

A separate yet shared platform experience. Think back to the very early days of the internet prior to netscape and mozilla web browsers, when there was AOL, and CompuServe, If you wanted to see something on AOL you had to be a member, if you wanted to see something on CompuServe you had to be a member of their system, web browsers changed all that. One day there will be a block browser that will change the separation but shared concept.

If an individual has grown completely tired of any of the other front ends because of harassment, then they can spend the vast majority of their time on PAlnet and not be bothered by the Steemian, or Leoians or any of the other front end groups. If you are on PALnet you will not see comments from non-palnet users in you replies box. Like wise you will not see comments you made to non-palnet post in your comment box.

THIS. Separate tribes. Separate comments. The comments aren't "disappearing". It's an intended feature IMO.

It is, and I think an important feature. You can still earn steem coins and PAL tokens. People confuse what is decentralized and what is not. The block chain steem is decentralized, not the tribes, they are like private little islands sprinkled through out the steem block chain. Make to much of a ruckus, harass to many island dwellers, and it back in the ocean for you; to swim with, or be eaten by, the other sharks.

To reiterate what I answered directly to this post, there is no such thing as a palnet account. If you have a steem account you already have a palnet account, they aren't two separate things. You could interact with palnet without ever using palnet.io. It's all dependant on using the palnet tag on your posts, that's it. And yes your PAL VP is ignored if you vote a post that doesn't have the tag and no PAL rewards are distributed.

The idea is to be token agnostic when voting on the same blockchain. Hence it should not be required (in my view) to use any particular front end to vote with a particular token.

I think this is where we are heading to... I hope it continues that way.

!BEER to that!

Oh yeah, you don't need to be logged on PALnet to vote, if you are on steemit, esteem, partiko, or what have you if a post you vote on has #palnet as a tag, then you voted with your PALnet shares also. The hard part is going to be having all the front ends have the same number of allowable tags. I don't know how they do it but I have seen post with 8 or more tags, so they are covered for a lot of secondary votes, until the coin makers limit the vote power to the first 5 or 6 tags that is.

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Hey @bashadow, here is your BEER token. Enjoy it!

Thank you @forykw for the token, and thank you @beerlover for the notice.

Drar @bashadow

I very much appreciate your amazing comment.

I believe the reason for so-called disappearing comments is simply the person leaving the comment is not a PALnet member. Yes it can be confusing

I already realized that all comments are visible. Just counter is misleading on PALnet and it doesn't really count all comments.

Also PALnet does take steps to protect it's users, and will ban/block people from their portal if needed.

Personally I found it scary. Even scarier than risk of being banned on Facebook, youtube or twitter. After all PALnet doesn't provide any customer service and communication channels with their team are very limited (pretty much not existing, especially for those who do not use Discord). Plus PALnet doesnt send you any clear notification about being banned :(

Censorship is necessary, but if one decide to censor content then lack of communication will be a problem. Simply because mistakes will be happening and sometimes random people will end up being banned for very little issues.

Can you imagie building your presence on platform and being banned without being notified about it?

Yours
Piotr

Can you imagine throwing a pool party for your 16 year old daughter and having a group of people crash your daughters party and then start throwing insults at her and threats at you, and peeing in your pool?

I have seen post with literally hundreds of ignorant, rude, and inappropriate gif's and meme's. Banning and blocking that type of behavior is not censorship. That is taking the person out of society and putting them in jail for wrong doing. Mistakes happen in every criminal justice system, there will always be some innocent people being jailed. There are ways to appeal the process available for the users. "--After all PALnet doesn't provide any customer service and communication channels--" PALnet does have a discord chat room and a place to make appeals.

Insults are free speech? Think about that for a moment or two.
Threats are free speech? Think about some of those gif's and comments.
Pissing in a pool free speech? I do not think that is art any more than pissing on a flag.

PALnet, the last I read about the situation is that they will allow one post every 24 hours. This allows a chance to straighten things out, all of these Child sites of steem block chain are trying to find a balance between user safety and experience, and censorship.

Dear @bashadow

Thank you for your prompt reply.

Your example is very extreme but I do get your point.

PALnet does have a discord chat room and a place to make appeals.

Exactly. PALnet (and many others) seem to limit communication channels only to discord. Hardly anyone I know does use discord. And that's the sad reality.

And it hardly matters if they are on discord or not. What matters is that even on this channel most of them are hardly responsive. Together with a friend we've tried to reach out to them asking about those not-visible comments and having few other questions. And we've failed to receive any reply ever.

Yours
Piotr

Up to this point PIFC is just staking all earnings to help reward our members with additional post rewards when we vote. Haven't bothered to test the platform as we need to see all posts for our efforts, but have considered creating a palnet only account to use all VP on just PAL posts.

Personally, I never caught onto the excitement and still haven’t really got the value proposition.

Frankly, I think it just makes things more complicated.

For a handful of people on Steem who are open to being impressed with some new novelty derivative, it seems to be great. Though for anyone who’d be freshly entering the Steem ecosystem and/or investors investigating Steem, it’d likely be more confusing and off-putting than something that is straightforward and has clear value.

Just my two cents.

Dear @rok-sivante

I just realized that I never actually thanked you for your amazing comment. I absolutely appreciate it.

Your welcome. 🙏

Please stop spamming my wallet with links to your opinion. I won't downvote you today. If you choose to ignore my suggestion and would prefer to continue sending wallet spam, your new fee is 10SBD per memo. Thanks!

Dear @nonameslefttouse

I will follow your request and I will do my best not to bother you again in the future.

ps. I didn't send any memo to you lately.

Yours
Piotr

Hey. So, for a VERY long time, you'd send wallet spam. THAT wallet spam from YOUR account ceased after YOU had been told to stop sending wallet spam. Not long after that, I continued to receive wallet spam from OTHER accounts directing me to YOUR posts. Hmm? What a coincidence! You were warned to stop, so instead of stopping, you started telling others to do it, or using alt accounts.

So what happens now? You will either tell those people to stop, or stop using alt accounts to send me wallet spam.

You're behind it, you know it, don't play PRETEND. I'm not in the mood for games.

I didn't send any memo to you lately.

I may have been born at night; but it wasn't last night.

^drama

@enforcer48

Already used my dramatoken call for the day. I think it's every 24 hours but could be wrong.

@inertia, if you have a moment, could you let us know how often can we invoke?

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You can call drama until the voting power will no longer let you.

!dramatoken

Oh come on! Can't someone just make a humor token so we can all laugh at my little outbursts? Look how I'm improving! I didn't even use foul language! Is there like a good job token I can get?

I would be the kind of the wrong guy to mess with you... I am sure of it... but, if you so bring subject matter up "for whatever reason" (being that right or wrong, not judging that), why can't I do the same right?

Blockchain tech is still quite transparent... everything you do is mostly visible or tracked... who does not know that is naive, stupid, or not skilled enough to understand the technology they are using.

Everyone has his opinion and if this is a social network, respect will be important for being respected... but, what is the essence of personalities in here? Why people care? is it because there is humanity in the blockchain? is it because characters prove words? is this legally bound to your will?

So many questions I envision for the future...

Do whatever you want. I was simply annoyed with that member and his spamming. The lie was unnecessary. I'm slightly annoyed with his post and the amount of confusion it caused over something so SIMPLE (how Palnet handles comments differently than Steemit, calling a feature an error, not being able to figure out simplicity, then claiming something so tiny will be the end game, then boosting these nonsensical ramblings up with paid votes...), plus he acts like a brown noser, and everything else here was me just joking around. I thought it was funny to point out how I didn't use the fucking f-word.

As for much of what you said, I'm sorry, I don't really know what you're talking about.

😜 I need to read more I guess.. I am the one failing to understand... probably! Usually when I understand I either educate or don't comment. But sometimes, comments get loose... and curiosity against others... get in the way.

At the moment I just jumped in... not been following... unfortunately I can't do it for even 10% of what I foresee... so it becomes hard.

I could start a dissertation right here... but for now I will control myself. And get a !BEER for myself too.

To view or trade BEER go to steem-engine.com.

Hey @nonameslefttouse, here is your BEER token. Enjoy it!

Look how I'm improving! I didn't even use foul language! Is there like a good job token I can get?

How about an "Ear Muffs" Token for when people use "foul language"?

I'd be stackin' ear muffs all day long.

Well until then here is a little steem and pal to stack ;)

Never seen a post of @nonameslefttouse with foul language... can you point me some on one of my posts... thanks.

“Humor token” I like that!

Try !BEER instead.

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Hey @daveks, here is your BEER token. Enjoy it!


You have DRAMA!

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No difference between palnet and steemit except for rewards and wallet section. The project is still new and I hope they fix whatever is making the comments disappear

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Hi @crypto.piotr, I'll try to answer your questions the best way I can from my own understanding.

Disappearing comments - I don't know if the write word to use is disappearing, don't get me wrong, you see when I post and put the various tags, not just palnet but spt, leo, weed, sct and others that have UIs'. I open all of them in different browsers and notice the count for comments on Steemit (higher) is different from that of others which are mostly lower.

The point here is that it doesn't add up to what I have on Steemit.com, so it isn't a matter of it coming and then disappearing but rather that it didn't come at all. I am reasoning that it is only comments of users that have that particular token that are reflected or if it is members who comment on that particular platform shows up. Just guess on that one.

what actually does happen to rewards if I upvote post on Steemit published by someone, who doesn't have account on PALnet? - I think they still get their share of the 50% curation, I say this because I didn't buy any Sports token but have been curating members who have been earning it and for that I have been receiving my share of the curation, I only just staked them when I got over 200+ of the sports token.

Based on that and since they are all Steem-Engine tokens, I believe it should be the same for the PAL curation.

I don't think I am looking at just Palnet.io but rather on all the tokens Steem-Engine has given life to. I read most of their whitepaper, many of them have been waiting for SMT and even given up hope of their business coming into existence because SMT hasn't still manifested.

Steem-Engine has given live to all of this in a very short time and I am willing to be patient with them solving the issues that come up with developments such as they have done.

Speempeak is also doing a lot of integration of all these new stuff we are seeing into their UI.

We should remember that all these developments are within a short period of about 4 months.

Thanks.

Dear @ketcom

Thank you for your brilliant comment. love it!

I don't know if the write word to use is disappearing

I also don't know if it's the right word, but since we both understand each other then let's use this description :)

So I kind of figured already out, that "disappearing comments" have something to do with PALnet userbase. I'm not sure what's the advantage of this solution. Right now I'm trying to use PALnet.io to engage with people.

However all I have learned is that once I reply to everyone, I still need to visit my own profile via any other front-end (most likely Steemit) to spot those comments I didn't have a chance to read and reply yet.

Other people are in very similar position and my impression is, that most will stop using palnet.io sooner than later.

many of them have been waiting for SMT and even given up hope of their business coming into existence because SMT hasn't still manifested.

Do you personally know why people are expecting SMT so much? What will it allow businesses that steem-engine doesn't? I've been trying to figure out lately but so far I'm failing.

ps. I've noticed that you're receiving some Daily Earnings from minnowsupport. Would you mind telling me how does it work?

Did you delegate PAL? And how much did you delegate/stake to minnowsupport? Would you consider this profitable? Just curious.

Also any idea who is behind Steempeak?

Yours,
Piotr

@crypto.piotr just check the team section here https://steempeak.com/about ;)

Thank you @asgarth. I must be blind :)

I didn't know how to find "about" section from your main site. Now I already know.

Is there any way to reach out to you via DM?

Yours
Piotr

Discord, both via DM or joining the SteemPeak channel here https://discord.gg/kgE7ass

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Very good Mr @crypto.piotr.

I have a little over 100 days in all this that has to do with blockchain and criptomoney. In this case steem with its fornt-end steemit.

Al principio, llegué con gran motivación por lo que significaba trabajar en la creación de contenidos y mostrar a la gente que soy capaz de proponer un trabajo original y de calidad.

On the other hand, I must mention that I live in Venezuela and I work as a teacher in a public high school where a fortnightly salary is cancelled. Needless to say, the economic difficulties that we are going through, but which are not relevant in detail.

In addition, I want to make it clear that in the Latino community there is a lot of quality human talent that can contribute greatly to the blockchain through any of its frontend.

But. It is necessary that this effort and work be rewarded efficiently and in a relatively short to medium term. Because of our economic situation mentioned above, it is necessary to monetize in order to cover our basic expenses.

Now, when I began to reason what this world meant, I realized that for more effort, work and time, the economic rewards were going to be few because the great reward boat is taken by the Anglo-Saxon community, especially by the great whales, as they are called. In other words, the gaps for small and large users are almost impossible to reach.

When the palnet initiative was born, it was like a light for many of those small and new subscribers because being "new", maybe we could grow together with the project. And the differences between whales and small users would not be so deep.

As for the interface itself, I use them alternately. But more time is spent from palnet which is where I make my publications.

The missing messages

The problem is with the counter, the messages do not disappear are still there. What happens is that the counter does not add them all. It will have to be corrected.

In a nutshell. In my experience of a common user with little capital to invest, I think that palnet is another opportunity that opens up to show your contributions and that they are valued as they deserve.

Greetings.

Dear @yonnathang

Thank you for your brilliant comment. love it!

Would you mind telling me what do you teach?

ps. God bless Venezuela.

Yours
Piotr

All right, Mr. @crypto.piotr.

Thank you for rating my comment and for responding to it.

I have been teaching for 12 years in a public school. I work with young people from the age of 11 to about 17.

My speciality is mathematics, although I have also studied physics.

So here I am working in my free time for the platform.

I have little time in steem, I do not deny that I arrive with erroneous or deviant information of what it really means to be here. but looking for information on my own I am improving every time, to be able to contribute more to the community.

Greetings!

Comment are not disappearing, they are not shown. Those are comments that were written on another platform than PalNET. As such is is not specifically a PalNet-problem, it is a characteristic of al Nitrous frontends: they only show posts ánd comments specific for the frontend. A comment written on PalNET will not be visible on SteemLEO or on of the (by now) many other frontsends. The only place where you see them al is on Steemit. However, any comment entered on Steemit.com won't appear on PalNET/SteemLEo/etcetcetc.
One should be able to tag comments as well. Or the frontsends shouldn't be picky about the comments shown. As it is now, it is a bit of a nuisance.
The idea behind the posts and tags is sound I think: just shoe on the specific frontend what is meant for the specific front end. Comments, however, should be shown all, otherwise it is really hard to follow a comment trail.

Other than that: I am a great fan of PalNET. The ability to create communities for specific topics or areas is in my opinion a great advantage. Palnet is not specifically geared towards one topic, it is geared towards a certain attitude in posting, reading and commenting. The motto is "no nocere" which translates (rather freely) as "do no harm". You can post about anything you're interested in. You can comment whatever you like. As long as it is done civilized and respectfully. I like that.

Correction: as others have said: all comments are indeed shown. Only the 'root-comments' are counted however. I posted my comment on steemit.com and it is shown here on palnet as well

Hi @partitura

I also just realized that only "counter" is not working fine. That's a relief. I'm really hoping for PALnet to be succesful.

Yours
Piotr

Dear @partitura

I very much appreciate your comment. Seriously thx big time for your effort.

Comment are not disappearing, they are not shown.

Very true. Thank you for correcting me.

As such is is not specifically a PalNet-problem, it is a characteristic of al Nitrous frontends: they only show posts ánd comments specific for the frontend

So I kind of figured already out, that "disappearing comments" have something to do with PALnet userbase. I'm not sure what's the advantage of this solution. Right now I'm trying to use PALnet.io to engage with people.

However all I have learned is that once I reply to everyone, I still need to visit my own profile via any other front-end (most likely Steemit) to spot those comments I didn't have a chance to read and reply yet.

Other people are in very similar position and my impression is, that most will stop using palnet.io sooner than later.

Perhaps I'm wrong, but I strongly believe that this is what will take place. It seem that most front-ends are not seeing that they are forcing traffic out of their own sites.

ps.
I noticed that you invested strongly in PALnet and you're one of largest stakeholders. Are you perhaps part of their team?

Yours
Piotr

No, I'm not part of their team. I'm just an enthousiastic early user... 😀

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It's me again @partitura

Comment are not disappearing, they are not shown.

I already realized that all comments are visible. Just counter is misleading on PALnet and it doesn't really count all comments.

Yours
Piotr

Thanks @deathcross for sharing this link.

I believe I didn't have yet chance to read that post. Will check it out right away.

Yours
Piotr

hey @crypto.piotr

the comment count difference is much less severe than you think. for some reason the PALnet platform counts only top-level comments without including their replies right away like the steemit.com condenser does.

on top of that PALnet also uses some black-list filtering for accounts that have explicitly broken PAL community guidelines, but that will only be very few cases, the big difference really just comes from the way replies are counted.

concerning voting power, check this:

https://economicstudio.github.io/vp/?a=crypto.piotr&t=PAL

PAL voting power only depletes when voting on posts with the tag, hence some recommend keeping the stake in separate accounts

Dear @fraenk

Thank you for being so responsive. I absolutely appreciate it.

Definetly current "counter" doesn't make much sense and is going to cause confusion and I can hardly imagine to be the only one being confused.

BIG Thx for that link.

Yours
Piotr

Haven't made an actual post just yet on the palnet platform so can't comment about the issues you had with the post, but by using the palnet tag you can get additional rewards so it's a win win situation for sure.

@crypto.piotr, PALNET hyped a lot that's for sure but in my opinion they will going to become an Established Ecosystem and until then let's enjoy this journey and one more thing, if we have suggestions then definitely we should let the team know about it so that they can improve it as soon as possible. And you've highlighted the Comment issue and it's appreciable aspect.

Keep up and have a great time ahead.

Dear @chireerocks

I'm not really sure who is responsible for communication with community in PALnet

Yours, Piotr

In my opinion members belongs to PAL Discord Server Community.

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hi @chireerocks

that's another problem. the only way to reach out to them is by discord. so communication channels are very limited. And I tried to contact them this way and guess what. Noone is really replying to any sort of questions :(

Cheers
Piotr

Did you tried to communicate with @minnowsupport account?, because most of the updates we can see through that account only regarding PALNET.

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I'm not sure but I think its @aggroed. I don't know why but I get the impression he's one of the people behind PAL with how much he promotes it.

Thx for dropping by @ahmadmanga

Any idea who is behind SteamPeak ?

Yours
Piotr

People will have to comment on your post on palnet in order for you to see it on there. If the comment from steemit its only showen on steemit.

I like the 50/50 alot, looking forward to the HF21 on steemit. But I dont use the platform, I have partiko installed on my phone and its mostly here I read articles.

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Dear @cwow2

Thank you for your comment buddy.

People will have to comment on your post on palnet in order for you to see it on there. If the comment from steemit its only showen on steemit.

So I kind of figured already out, that "disappearing comments" have something to do with PALnet userbase. I'm not sure what's the advantage of this solution. Right now I'm trying to use PALnet.io to engage with people.

However all I have learned is that once I reply to everyone, I still need to visit my own profile via any other front-end (most likely Steemit) to spot those comments I didn't have a chance to read and reply yet.

Other people are in very similar position and my impression is, that most will stop using palnet.io sooner than later.

Anyway that's just my own little opinion. Thx for sharing yours.

Yours,
Piotr

But this is the same for any other user interface.
I think steemleo have the same problem.
Not sure about sportstalk or the steemcoinpan community

Hi again @cwow2

I already realized that all comments are visible. Just counter is misleading on PALnet and it doesn't really count all comments.

Yours
Piotr

Hey!
Thats good news @crypto.piotr!

Thanks for the infomation :D

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Dear Piotr, i think palnet is a new platform on the way to development, so it will be fixed some issue, but the best point i like is the way of rewarding, all is going into your wallet as fresh money and you can decide to power it up or not.
Did you notice i delegated you 200 Pal?
I hope you will appreciate it....

I think one of the main benefits is the better distribution of the PAL tokens, not being as heavily weighted with the whales. Also, I think most people really like the staking rewards, you earn both PAL and Steem on posts. Several condensers are coming out doing this.

PALNET is a revolutionary idea that is benefiting the whole community.
The project will have a great future!
I hope that in the future the possibility of searching for users will be implemented as you can already do with the normal Steemit interface.
I would like to search and vote for some users but I don't know how to find them.

Maybe the way is there and I didn't notice it?

Being palnet is basically a clone of steemit I don't see much point to it unless they got plans to improve further.

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From what I understand the palnet.io is just a front end interface like Steempeak, Busy, and others so many others. So you do have to be logged in on that site to post on that site whether a post or a comment. It is an easy fix for anyone trying to get to something to just change the palnet.io to steemit.com or your preferred front end. If someone doesn't want to create an account on the .io they don't have to. All tokens are redeemed on the Steem Engine site so the front end is non-essential you just need to use the tag.

I personally use Steempeak for my front end. With the new Tribe function, I just click on PALnet, SteemLeo, or such and I'm taken to the my feed for those that I know that are a part of that tribe, then you can click on Most rewarded or most recent posts to see what the .io has going on specifically. The wallet is much more comprehensive. I could go on. There are more positives than negatives. The only downfall versus eSteem and Partiko is there isn't a specific mobile version and you don't get upvoted.

Thank you for your amazing comment @tryskele

I've noticed that SteemPeak is also creating their own token on Steem-engine. Do you know anything about it?

And any idea who is behind SteemPeak?

Yours
Piotr

I haven't noticed a token yet. There is one that looks similar Steemspeak and I have no clue about that one. As for the people behind Steempeak the ones I know off the top of my head are @jarvie and @asgarth.

I think the disappearing comments due to the sync between two rocks database seemed to be lagging.

When I post in Steemit with palnet tag, it takes quite a while to update into the palnet interface.

I also realise when I am claiming the tokens they tend to lag a little further than Steemit on the updates too.

If you have remembered about how SMT is proposed, this seemed to be something that portrays that structure.

However regarding sustainability, its not going to work well enough if the ecosystem is similar to what steemit has been building.

If you have time, please take a look at my most recent 2 posts at @dses where I pointed out that there is a missing piece of the puzzle (in a normal country - not like Venezuela) context, and without that, sooner or later it can meet the lifespan of very similar social network platforms before Steem blockchain existed - crumble and fall; and I don't want that to happen.

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Thx for your comment @littlenewthings

I think the disappearing comments due to the sync between two rocks database seemed to be lagging.

I already realized that all comments are visible. Just counter is misleading on PALnet and it doesn't really count all comments.

If you have remembered about how SMT is proposed, this seemed to be something that portrays that structure.

I actually tried to understand concept of SMT but so far I'm failing. Would you be able to share some post explaining it well? Or perhaps you could tell me what is so great about SMT that so many people seem to wait for it?

Yours
Piotr

SMT in summary are another layer of opportunity to have each community to have their own tokens that later can take off independently.

To me, it looks a lot like Malaysia reward points from all the major business entities.

Remember those Grab points, BHP patrol points, etc?

But in the steem blockchain they work like Steemit but each community have their own "clan tokens".

Which to me can be redundant unless one stands stronger than another, and they are called "smart contracts".

But right now these are not SMT, they are just community determined value tokens (reward points) that sits in the database.

Hence they are called SCOTs, @crypto.piotr

But the interesting part is that they can develop their own reward structure, including curator and author reward split, maturity days (SCT matures in 3 days), and the way how they can filter their content on their "search results interface" based on their own created hashtags.

Thank you for this amazing answer @littlenewthings (hug)

There is so much confusion going on with palnet and other social platforms here. I commented on a post which was on palnet but the man who replied was visible on palnet but not on other platforms. But I think this platform will be very good for starters in steem blockchain. Thank you @juanmolina for informing me about this post.

Hi @crypto.Piotr, I have little time publishing with the label of palnet and if I had realized the disappearance of the messages and inferi that are of those who are not registered but the issue is that those registered do not appear.

Another thing that we fail to see are users who we vote.


They can be details that are still working developers. By now I don't feel competent to envision the future of Palnet. Let us hope progress satisfactorily.

Thx for your comment @belkisa758

I already realized that all comments are visible. Just counter is misleading on PALnet and it doesn't really count all comments.

Yours
Piotr

Hi, my dear friend!

Some people like the same things, don't like changes... I mean about the platform PALNET, It remembers me my first time in Steemit. And the wallet, perfect! Like the old times ;)

So... the mystery of the missing comments is solved... They count the direct comments and not the replies to the comments, I guess It's just lazy bots hahaha

I normally use PALNET occasionally due to nostalgia for the wallet. What I always do is put the PALNET tag in my post ;P

What terrifies me about the PAL token is its fluctuations, I see it rising and falling constantly.

Don't be a stranger!

Cheers!

dear @jadams2k18

So... the mystery of the missing comments is solved... They count the direct comments and not the replies to the comments, I guess It's just lazy bots hahaha

Yeah. It's solved. However this counter is very misleading ....

Cheers
Piotr

Hm ...

i don't see any entries for PALnet /USD, when i google it i get something about planetcoin ... so ...

they have the hyperinflation steemit has and the option to stripmine even faster :D ... they must have a secret thing then going on maybe i should check it out, first thing i hear about it thanks @crypto.piotr - in the end spinoffs don't seem to last, as you said, its not the first one and let's not forget steemit DOES have money , im not sure however, how they plan keeping on if their prime source is selling off their own token as they are the biggest dumper of itself. The primary objective should be to make secondary income prime so that the only reason to sell off steem for them would be to keep the sbd peg in check, and i think that's actually what they're trying. All the bs (pardon my french) on self-voting and what not is (i think) something to keep a few elders happy with the original idea that it's all about written / good content ... when they no longer need to sell off their own coin that's a start but onboarding BIG accounts is a must, i don't think the community or the fortune 50 is really all into that , just a lot of

talking about it

maybe i'll check that palthing out :)

oh actually (see i do it again) i wanted to ask where is their API ? (like you have condenser here?) or is it just a simple forum clone with zero backend you can use as enduser ? anyone knows before i take actual time to go overthere and see ?

All I can say is they are all great that's all and thank you @crypto.piotr for the wonderful content. I love all of them PAL, Steemit, Leo, ect.

Palnet's a good idea.
I think it'll stay longer and get a big following.

Hi dear @Crypto.Piotr,

I just want to say that I do like all the 'obvious similarities and differences', specially the 50/50 pool as it was before HF21 at steemit, and that the comments aren't disappearing, that probably is an error on Your end.

I've noticed comments not updating at palnet at first and after refreshing posts, both on steemit and palnet, all the comments are there in both platforms, try refreshing, cleaning cookies, caches, etc, and see if they appear ;)

The additional question You've made, I do believe was perfectly answered by @BAShadow

Have a great day,
Cy

Thx for your comment @cyberspacegod

I already realized that all comments are visible. Just counter is misleading on PALnet and it doesn't really count all comments.

Yours
Piotr

There is no need to thank ; )

Well, I don't have the amount of comments You have, but on my side there are no counters misleading or not functioning 100%, at least it didn't happen yet and I have checked to see if something changes and nothing changed =X.

Cheers,
Cy

I like palnet, and I believe it has a great feature. Maybe they should work on their disappearing comments, but it's not bad to want comments only made by your members to appear. This might push more people to register with you.

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Aside from the differences you noted in payout splits etc. one of our major plans is to develop a customized front end integrating our msp-waves radio station and some other fun things.

I'm not entirely sure what's happening with the comment issue but kinks are still being worked out with scotbot.

As for your last question, if you upvote someone on steemit who has not used the palnet tag it doesn't affect your PAL vp at all. Everyone who has a steem account has a palnet account, it is all dependent on wether they used the palnet tag on the post or not.

Dear @juliakponsford

Thank you for your comment. Appreciate it.

You've wrote "one of our major plans is to develop a ..."

Are you part of PALnet team?

Yours
Piotr

Hi @crypto.piotr. About a week ago I received a wallet message with a link to your comment, explaining how we should support your PROJECT #HOPE by delegating PAL tokens to you. I followed your detailed instructions and ended up GIVING (instead of delegating) you 209 PAL tokens. Now that you don't like PAL a my more, is there a chance I get it back?

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Pal is sure the best interface along with its own environment and tokens. I can see the frequent changes that I am adapting as well, it is like running the holds. I usually write a blog and get upvote by sending some token to minnow support and after that, I use the steem again to buy PALs so it is like running what you hold.

I like PAL and how it's more my preference (all rewards are unstaked, it takes only 4 weeks to unstake.. etc) It's also powered by a powerful STEEM community I was part in since my start (more like lurking,) I know if I found a problem I'll get an answer in PALnet Discord.

I didn't notice the problem of disappearing comments, though I mostly use eSteem rather than Palnet.io so maybe that's why?

I have learned not to jump the gun here - pal is new and they are working out bugs. I am earning money by using their tag and getting airdrops of other coins because I am in pal. I do not visit the site now since I am too busy otherwise to mess with it.

Does anyone know what actually does happen to rewards if I upvote post on Steemit published by someone, who doesn't have account on PALnet?

It just means you did not use your voting power in pal. You have less of a disparity than most of us so you must be voting while you are in there:
https://economicstudio.github.io/vp/?a=crypto.piotr&t=PAL

I do not use Palnet.io. I learned about Steempeak recently and am using the interface now. I like what aggroed is doing a lot. I wonder for how long Steem is going to stay down in price. I think that the interface hides comments not from the other communities for better for worse. I guess it all comes down to user preference.

Thank you for your amazing comment @dm312

I've noticed that SteemPeak is also creating their own token on Steem-engine. Do you know anything about it?

And any idea who is behind SteemPeak?

I wonder for how long Steem is going to stay down in price.

As long as Steem Inc. will be flooding markets with their STEEM tokens (to cover operating expenses)

Cheers, Piotr

hello friend seems very interesting according to what expressed in your post this platform will have very good benefits thanks for sharing a hug ..

I see that Palnet will do the same as Steemit, the whales will always vote among themselves and will abandon the sardines.