RE: It's going to be nice to be able to buy HBD on the next Hive run up.

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HBD is awesome for an stable coin, BUT we have the 5% converting fee. So it will not work on demand.

Nobody buys for Millions Hive and converts it to HBD with a 5% fee. This is something I pointed out multiple times before the HF. Time penalty + Fee is stupid.

It also destroys the sense of a stablecoin being on-demand and scalable.

IMO hive random numbers block again something good ( like onboarding random fee in Hive)



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I don't think you've looked into it enough to better understand it. There is no time penalty, you get the converted HBD right away. And the fee is there as a precaution against short-term price manipulations that can take advantage of the blockchain. The fee also burns Hive which acts as a counterbalance to the increased HBD inflation. And finally, the 5% fee means that when HBD goes up to $1.05, people can start converting en masse and prevent the price from rising more.

With that said, for sure it can be improved.

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you get 50% instant and 50% after 3 days as far I know. And 5% are not really competitive.

5% also is a really random number. There is no risk for the chain at all. There is a haircut rule in place. It doesn't matter someone prints 1000 bazillion HBD. It has no influence on inflation.

With this said, any other manipulation can also happen with other currency like BTC or Tether/ Busd to whatever. So why we make HBD less dynamic without any reason?

The only thing that could happen is a close to haircut converting thing, this is only a very low risk attack vector, that can only affect the chain with low market cap.

The goal is to get big, so we need to think big.

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When you convert Hive to HBD, you get 50% of your Hive instantly converted to HBD at the current Hive price. The other 50% is held. Then after 3.5 days, you get back your Hive (not HBD), but how much you get back is determined by the median Hive price during those 3.5 days. So this is the actual price that is used for the conversion, not the current price at the moment you decide to convert. In my understanding, this prevents a kind of attack where someone might manipulate the price (e.g. do a short Hive pump in order to get more HBD) and then make a conversion at that moment. It would be easy to do this. But since the price is staggered over 3.5 days, you can't really manipulate the price like that.

I questioned the 5% conversion fee too, but it does seem to have its function, and the whole conversion operation is a starting point and it is intended that we keep improving upon it. You can read a more in-depth discussion here.

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if the fee should be there for protection, I would be more in favor of a 7 days median price. last 3,5 days + future 3,5 days.

This makes manipulation super difficult and expensive. The 5% looks to me like a random number. Why not 3% or 1% or 0,3%?

1000$ = 50$ fee

10k = 500$ fee

100k = 5000$ fee

IMO this fee is not competitive with any other stable coin in crypto or regular fiat money.

No value here

Value = Benefit - cost.

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