Ecotopia for £22K - That's the Plan! (Land Planning 1.0)

The main reason I've moved to Portugal is to buy some cheap land and create my own personal ecotopia.

This effectively involves doing the following, with costings:

  1. Buying some appropriate land, ideally with a ruin that will make it easy for me to build on it. I think I'm looking at 2 acres, which I should be able to get for around 12K Euros.
  2. Building a really simply structure in which to live, like a Yurt - I think I can do this for around 3K EU
  3. Sorting out the water supply - this could mean a bore-hole, and digging some ponds, allow 3K EU
  4. Building the sundry buildings - outdoor kitchen, compost toilet, outdoor shade area and decking, shower unit, storage shed, maybe a small workshop - around 2K EU
  5. Trees and shrubs - around 500 EU should do this, to get a few nice mature ones to kick start
  6. £500 for initial basic solar set up (I've already got 100 Watt panels, I think I need a bit more - another 200 Watt should do for starters)
  7. Allow another 1000 EU for unexpected expenditures!

Opting for the proper cheap option

I know a couple guys about 10 minutes drive from where I'm currently staying that had around 2.5 HA up for sale on a mountain side with a ruin, for 26K EU, I was going to go see it, but it sold recently.

TBH I think that's done me a favour - I could have afforded that land, but it would have cleared me out of a good whack of my easily liquifiable wealth (I'm not including crypto in this, that's not for sale), and I'd have to probably borrow to build.

That land was beautiful mind you (It's on my running route, so I know the general area) BUT it really was twice as much as I actually need!

HOWEVER, having visited @eco-alex recently I've seen that you can get 3 acres with a ruin, for <10K EU, and I know of someone else who recently got 1 acre for 5K EU with water (something of an issue around here!), so I figure if I budget for around the 10K mark for 2 acres I should be OK, and then a little extra on top for tax and legal fees.

If I have to stretch to 15K, no big deal.

Land plans....

I have been deliberately resisting drawing up an abstract plan for my hypothetical land, yer supposed to see it first before you start planning (according to Permie law anyways) but I finally caved in today - mainly because I watched a video on getting planning permission for building and the guy in it said you're more likely to be given permission to live on yer land if you have a plan for it, so I thought I'd better get ahead.

It hasn't actually been that much of a challenge - I basically want some big trees, some small trees, fruit bushes, a veg patch (large), a Yurt, outdoor kitchen, compost toilet, compost area, storage area, and ponds for water.

I drew an abstract plan as below:

Land plan 1.0

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2 acres is 8000 square meters - 80 times 100 in the abstract plan above - OK the actual land probably won't be in that proportion, but as long as it's broadly similar I can adapt - I mean if it were 40 by 200 or triangular and odder I could shifty things about easily enough.

Anyway, I've basically allowed for:

  • A massive 10 metre strimmed border around the outside, being aware of fire regulations.
  • T = fuck of big tree, like Cork Oaks, probably actually cork oaks. They may not be fuck off large until I'm dead if I plant saplings, but that's fine.
  • F = fruit tree - I can get at least a couple of dozen in two acres, probably double or treble that, this is just rough now - NB this includes nuts, so olives, almonds, ALL THE FRUIT!!!
  • Two ENORMOUS ponds - the water system may be more elaborate depending on slopes - I just wanted to allow A LOT of land for water storage. I may need to rethink this.
  • Lots of classic beds for growing veg
  • A nice 100-200 M Sq area in the middle for main house, kitchen, chill garden.
  • Fruit bushes at the front, wild area and workshop at the back.

I'm lucky that this is all I've ever really wanted to do!

Thinking about this makes me wonder why I spent so long in teaching - well OK it was fun at first, but those last five years were hell - just looking at the above, it all seems VERY doable for SUPER cheap if I go by UK costings. I dunno why I didn't do it sooner.

When I say I'm lucky I mean I am on an early retirement drive, but I'm not just doing this to reduce my cost of living, I'm doing it because having had an allotment before I loved it and have wanted to upscale this for a long time - and now I can.

Of course this isn't just about food production - it's about low-impact building, waste removal, off-grid energy, land reclamation too.

AND, once the food production etc. are up to scale, this is going to mean I've got a very cheap cost of living.

This feels like a kind of hobby or game or a 'challenge' rather than being about survival

Because I've got a house in the UK I could go back to, or sell and spend half on a decent regular house in this part of Portugal and put the other half in diversified asset classes, I'm under no stress in trying to do this ecotopia experiment on the cheap!

It's such a win-win for me - I get to learn new skills, single handedly usher in the new ecotopian age of abundance, universal love, peace and happiness for all of humanity, and save myself some money into the bargain!

And who knows, it might just all work out in reality as well as in my head and on my little piece of A4 paper

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have you contacted @pharesim, yet ?

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No I haven't - is he in Portugal?!?

You may have told me that before of course!

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This is an interesting approach at living a minimal life itself and one way for someone to truly take a deep look at itself and discover what is made of. In a world of speed and one that we spend a big time on Internet, it is great to see somebody tough ground with nature and do something in reality.

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Hey yes thanks for reminding me, I'd kind of forgotten that was all part of the plan too - slowing down a little!

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Need to make sure your composting toilet is not going to pollute anything if it spills over, i.e. well away from drinking water. Not that I've ever built one. Maybe locate it so you have a loo with a view :)

Are you going to have some chickens? Fresh eggs are always good and may produce some to sell or trade.

Definitely need some emergency funds as something it bound to crop up.

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Ah I'm way ahead of you with the composting toilet, it'll be downstream of any water don't worry.

I think Chickens are essential - I don't intend to be digging my own beds! Eggs are just a bonus!

If I can build gradually it'll spread those extra costs too!

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Very nice plan. Land shall be available in mid Portugal at a fair price as the higher priced is near the coast. You might find bigger plots at your budget, as you can plant also some olive trees, as an idea.

Also watch for discounts on solar panels, as some companies go bankrupt at the moment and need to sale their installation to pay the debt.

This are some tips that might help.

Stick to your plan, as anyone can see that it will bring you the much deserved freedom and early retirement.

Keep on posting on the progress, as this kind of posts are uplifting and motivating!

Thanks for sharing!

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Hey cheers, I am optimistic about finding something at my budget, I just have to crack on.

Good hint about the solar panel thing. I shall keep that in mind.

I will stick to it don't you worry!

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Really like the setup you are imagining for yourself, I dream of something similar :)

Cork-Oaks are the way to go IMO, they are beautiful and can resist the fires that are always threatening in the back of the Portuguese mind (certainly in the hills of the Algarve). Also many folk sell the bark every decade or so as it grows and re-grows.

All man-made things start off in the mind, the more consciously it seems, the better!

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Cork oaks are beautiful - there are lots around where I'm staying, and man the acorns too, they are insane!

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They're a noble presence for sure...I was missing squirrels - never saw a single one in Portugal my entire time :(

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Oh! I'm going to look up the squirrel thing later, interesting! Maybe it's too hot for them?

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Great! Pls let me know if you see any :)

According to this article:

The red squirrel (Sciurus vulgaris), which had disappeared from mainland Portugal for centuries, is on its way back and there are reports of its presence in the north and center of the country, according to a biologist from Aveiro University.

'North and centre'...so you may see one after all, and it's likely to be red!

Flame, my dog, who was born in Portugal and didn't get to the UK until she was 9-10 months old, had never seen squirrels before and finds them utterly fascinating (as do I). When out on walks I often find myself leaning over the fence of an empty plots watching them with her :).

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I personally like the idea of a fruit forest, with the vegetable patches spread in between

http://seeditforward.org/blog/why-fruit-forest-not-orchard/

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Oh that's totally what I'll be doing - I think I may have been using 'orchard' far too casually.

However, I'll still be using beds for most of the standard allotment type crops and then put more perennial type plants in the second layer of the orchard. There's plenty of stuff I can in-fill the trees with.

You're going to get much better formed carrots for example in a nice bed rather than under a tree!

Also I just quite like the bed-system - it appeals to the my ordered nature!

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