Amazon has turned off their green solar roof arrays due to fires!

Amazon has made an attempt to go green, by adding solar cell cover across their roofs; to reduce their energy use. They have had about half a dozen rooftop fires across the USA, and have been forced to shut down their solar projects for safety!

Article on Amazon rooftop fires:
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/09/01/amazon-took-solar-rooftops-offline-last-year-after-fires-explosions.html
These fires are apparently design related, from what I've been able to find out. They apparently have been trying the solar system in directly before the main breaker on incoming power! With no inline breaker or disconnecting contactor...

I understand that line surge was the cause of these fires, even though the inverter should have been designed to absorb this kind of problem!

Image from article:
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From an engineering standpoint, I see several problems with this installation plan.

  1. The only way to turn this solar system off, is to turn off the Sun, with this direct tie-in...Bad idea. Chernobyl was designed so it couldn't be turned off too!
  2. The DC power of all these panels, feeding a common inverter must be astronomical, it should be broken into smaller segments. This combination design, is usually done to reduce costs. Connections at this kind of power levels, must be done carefully, and must be sealed to all moisture for safety!
  3. Tied to the incoming line, it becomes inevitable that line surges will burn out the output side of this single inverter. It looks like no upstream spike protectors were installed.
  4. Tying in to the incoming power lines puts electrical workers at risk, by back-powering lines. In the event of a power failure, this back-feed can electrocute workers trying to repair the failure!
  5. Solar designs can be done by poorly trained workers, as there is little or no standards for this type of install! Most systems don't even require a licensed electrician to install them. I'm in favor of diy work, but not on a system of this magnitude!
  6. I suspect that Amazon (like most large corporations) will bleed the vary last dollar out of capital projects. Breakers and contactors are expensive, which would explain the lack of this gear.

Here is a video from a source I trust on this:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YeJbN_ILaMk
There is a lot of good information in this video. I totally agree with them on the ability to disconnect a solar system! IMHO, this is a minimum design requirement; and well worth the small added expense.

I'm sure none of us want a panel or inverter fire! The best way to avoid this specific failure, is to never toe to the grid to begin with. Connecting properly would be a close second, this looks like it was wired by a greenie!

A simple spark gap surge suppressor that hams used for almost a century, made with two points bolts adjusted close together (one on each side of the line); would likely have saved massive cash and embarrassment to Amazon. Guess that's what you get when you take the lowest bid, and beat them down lower!



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You'd think with the astronomical profit they made during the last two years, they would be able to afford to do it properly. But it really seems, the richer these corporations become, the less they want to spend for important things like this. I bet Bezos would not have risked to go with the lowest bid with his rocket...

Great post btw! Really enjoyed reading your explanations.

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Thanks, I'm glad you liked it! I work to not sound too 'engineerzy' on the explanations.

I'm Piecing together a solar and wind off grid system for my homestead, so I'm studying things hard. Sometimes the low bidder is the most expensive option possible!

I'm collecting LiIon cells to build a house battery. I'll need 2500 cells, and so far I have half that in good cells salvaged from old lap top battery packs. Never boring, LOL!

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the flaw isn't in solar power, but in cheap implementation, shoddy design, and of course poor planning.

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So right, installing any system that can't be shut off, is dangerous! A perfect example of hiring the lowest bidder (Bubba makes solar?); While not understanding the system yourself.

But solar, like any power system, can be abused!

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Correct. One of the most important changes made to where I live is that solar MUST include shutoffs accessed from outside the building, as the fire department and local power companies need access to prevent local PV from feeding back live power into the gird where there is work or an emergency taking place. Local crews want to be able to make sure they are safe, from anyone's solar array.

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I will have a shutoff, but won't be grid tied. I don't like their new 'smart' meters! Too damned dangerous, and poorly designed, to be on my house!!!!

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