RE: Hive is imperfect anarchy, by design
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The biggest problem with Hive is it is entirely and utterly schizophrenic! It doesn't know what type of platform it is; is it Youtube? Is it Tumblr? is it, Podcast Alley? Or is it Wix? Then let's mix in; Is it a Trading site for Crypto? Is it a gaming site?
We have members who are only interested in the price of Hive and only blog about coins and tokens worth trading. We have Internet influencers who use Hive to dump their "My Time in Mauritius" youtube videos rehashed by editing in the Hive logo, basically "Milking the rewards pool", as another revenue stream given they've already been paid on Youtube!
And don't even get me started on "The Games". Splinterlands, for example, reminds me of the stories we used to see on the TV news about kids being sucked into "In-game purchases" and stealing their parent's credit cards to keep buying the upgrades. I saw a post from someone the other week saying how they had spent a fortune on cards and now stopped playing because they realised, luckily, they were losing too much money.
And then we have the piesta de resistance, people removing other peoples rewards for reasons ranging from Plagiarism to "Not liking you or your opinions."
It’s spot on... if these are growing pains then ok... but I’m beginning to think that this is a whole other kettle of fish... amounting to a very hostile and unfriendly “social” blockchain.
Can’t BUIDL here.
Can’t invite here.
So what’s the point?
Even posting content or commenting feels heavy as a posed to fun, light, and uplifting.
This isn’t going to end well if all of this nonsense continues and people don’t get their heads out of their arses. I’m afraid that by the time they do... it will be to late. This could very well be a rug pull in slow motion.
How else can you explain it?
And interestingly enough... HOW the DV is implemented is at its core.
I just read and reblogged my original introduce yourself posts and my very first post after that about what I was thinking about freedom and the potential of this idea of social on blockchain at the time... In hindsight those two posts are VERY interesting and maybe even telling.
Certainly they have given me pause to think about how and why my journey began here on Hive.
I found it helpful to listen to my words from the dusty past... they inform me as to what I need to do next and they confirm that I am making the right decisions as well.
Thanks for chipping in Peter.
I forgot to mention the growing phenomenon of Tribalism that's now growing more and more on Hive. "You're not in our gang!" People are getting downvoted for daring to post in communities on subjects that members of said communities feel are not relevant. Talk about Lack of social skills instead of maybe posting a comment:
"Hey, we really like having you in our 'Hiding things up your bum' community but creating posts about your dog's new speedboat isn't really relevant to the community. Would you please try and stick to the communities purpose of bum secrets. Thanks."
Folk are just hounded out on their ear instead.
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Your right. And this is also very bad for making Hive a better place. Communities should be a way to bring people together and yet here they are being used to eject people quicker than they come. Another bad sign indeed. Certainly not a place to invest your capital and BUIDL something of worth... like a real community.
I have often thought about why entire civilizations dried up and disappeared... why kingdoms fell... initially they build infrastructure that brought people together and kept them together like Roman Roads and Aqueducts. Those and the ability to freely trade value between each other brought people together as a sort of glue for society.
It’s when those positives get canceled out by negatives adding up to net negative that people abandon systems and ways of humans that might have worked in kinder times.
It’s very interesting but I think that we might be witnessing this phenomenon on Hive!
As I power down and turn my assets back into Bitcoin this will be very interesting to watch and note.
What kills a digital community has a lot of parallels in think. Human history repeats...
And I’m finding it fascinating indeed! 🤔
You going to be at Hive Feast Peter? I just told TheyCallMeDan I would go over on Twitter. Should be pretty interesting I think. I’m interested to get a feel for what those people are thinking about Hives current social direction. I wonder if the issues will be addressed or not. This will be telling...
I don't know we will have to see.
It is all those things and that's fine. Not everyone is a blogger or vlogger and they have other options to earn.
Online gaming is massive and Hive can have a slice of that. There are 350k accounts playing Splinterlands and the game is turning over serious money. Many will see it as an earning opportunity, but it's their choice. Just because it's not your thing does not make it illegitimate.
That's also okay. There is a finite reward pool and the community get to decide who gets some of it. People do try to get it by fraud or other underhand means. Differences of opinion will happen. The big accounts can wipe you out, but often you can wait for them to get bored if you stop winding them up.
Some people can't seem to understand what Hive was designed to be and how others use it. A few people having a bad experience does not mean it has failed.
This is why it will take forever to grow or find those elusive new users, especially from the Open Source community because each community is only concerned with itself and when people go on Twitter saying: "See! Facebook is down come and join Hive and get paid for what you write." and you get there and find it's a shedload of work and you have to work VERY hard to get anywhere or buy your way up the ladder buy spending fiat to buy Hive. And it seems to me that's what a lot of people do, buy in to the platform.
I would think you would support something that requires hard work to earn anything. I was grinding away for ages before I made much, but it can be social too. If you are just chasing money the returns can seem low, yet people are active on FB for no money.
I get that some are desperate for making anything, but you should have to add some value. They won't be able to afford to buy in, so they need to find an audience for what they do.
I saw someone do an 'urbex' (urban exploring) post that was a just series of pictures of the same view of the outside of a building. That is not exploring and just trying to cash in on something. There's loads of low effort posts fishing for votes, so you have to stand out. I may mention this in my #FollowFriday post later.
The thing is, you get a different experience on FB than Hive. The problem starts when you earn that very first $1.00, like it or not, there's an expectation of making $1.00 or more next time, and then you look at established accounts drawing $50 - $150 a time and think, "WTF? is this worth it?"
Hive is not really a social platform like FB nobody goes on Hive and says, "Hey Steve, what did you have for dinner last night?" But on FB, you could get a hundred or more responses to that question. On Hive, you're likely to get a DV for poor content. 🤣
Yes they are quite different. Some people do post their dinner/beer/walk/run on Hive though. Expectations are likely to be wrong though and money changes the equation a lot. You can chase the money, but I always tried to make it social. I would not have stuck around through the tough times if it wasn't fun. I actually get far more engagement on Hive than I've had on any blog I've done. I do think you tend to get out what you put in.
Looking at trending gives a very distorted view. It's all at the whims of the whales. Meanwhile others are making $1-10 per post from an engaged audience of small-fry.
I used FB to stay in touch with a few people, but I find it a crap user experience with all the ads. I'm not going to post really personal stuff on Hive as it will never have the privacy controls.
Horses for courses mate.
You get a shot at getting paid for the shit content though. Where else can you find some tips for posting what you're about to eat for dinner? 0.1$ on a comment is still 0.1$ to your wallet vs 1000 comments on facebook.
I think people miss out the part where it takes money to print more money. And while some people can complain they're not getting anywhere from just starting out here, it just speaks entitlement to try and ask for the benefits of being established without doing some growing in the community socially to get that point.
Giving free money doesn't make people stay. I'd rather be stingy with my votes than give social aids to people that would eat up their seeds instead of planting them and then be bothered why others are harvesting the fruits from the trees they planted.
People forget that while the money element is overt, the principles of social networking are still the same. And it's more about people liking you for being you and what you bring to the table at a social level than actually about your content in general. Most of the content here aren't my cup of tea but I like the person enough to offer some tips for a job well done. That's just it, a tip. But you get no loss of coins from your wallet and you earn some for yourself and the person you tipped on.
Well, that's what I advocated—doing away with the current voting system and implementing a gift (Donation) system.
I never seem to be able to explain myself well enough when it comes to Hive. The only other way I can think to say it: When I'm on Mastodon, I'm not really looking for anything. Sure it's nice to get a reply or even reblog, but when I'm on Hive, it's like "Game on!" Is my post worthy of some votes? Will it interest anyone? Have I covered this before? Have I copied anyone? Am I using the correct tags? Am I posting in the right communities? should I promote it?
Sometimes it's nice just to go on Mastodon and post meaningless shit. 🤣
Dbuzz. Or just post meaningless shit because some people would support meaningless shit out there.
There's a tipping feature already. If you use that, you belong to less than 1% of the users here. Most don't use it because it has psychological impact equated to actual loss of money right from their pockets even if they know they can just print more from curation.
The whole thing is just a tipping platform for sharing meaningless shit, interest or opinions. People want to get paid for their opinions and meaningless shit they share. Some don't think that's nice.
And we have organizers of comet.wanker to tip their own accounts for doing a good fucking job that justifies their branding.
For the love of the Pond Gods and call down the wrath of HW? They seem to dislike Dbuzz?
I have to say, even though I can't entirely agree with a few of the decisions, I actually have a lot of respect for HW (guiltyparties) mainly because they've always treated me with respect even when I've disagreed with them. Respect goes a long way in my book.
But isn't that precisely what buildawhale, minnowbooster, and all the other so-called leg-up groups are basically doing? See, I think this has more to do with face fitting than any deliberate act of wrongdoing. It was the same in the appeals channel when I was conversing with so-called wrongdoers. I'd watched the very same people who ripped me to shreds do EXACTLY the same thing prior to when I started, and to a certain extent, they still continue today, so that tells me it had fook all to do with rules and everything to do with muscling in on their perceived turf "Who the fuck is this newcomer coming in here acting like he's one of us? This is our group cheeky fucker." I know exactly what ran through the tiny minds; it was obvious to us grown-ups.It has other history leading up to that conclusion and a mix of turds that abuse nice things. I think of it as a project that has loop holes where admins refuse to implement some measures. It's like, if copy pasting links to your interests is what dbuzz is about (or part of the culture it tries to promote), then what's stopping multiple users or a user from creating multiple personalities and just doing the bare minimum of just that? On the surface level newcomers aren't expected to get it but a lot of the stuff that happens here have years long history which makes another level of complicated.
Those projects have retired afaik but the stake is still there. I can't speak for the people you refer and maybe even better to just actually tag them as this is a better place to record everything than discord. The mean people have seen plenty that immersing on the task too long can make one jaded. I can see the point some rainbow pony believers want to promote with their positivity drive but I have been on both sides of the spectrum to know both extremes are whacked.
Some people are pieces of shits that needed to be downvoted. Some people need to have their nice positive world actually grounded to the real thing. And some also need to take a chill pill with the antiabuse thing because not everyone commits stupid shit with full awareness. There's a learning curve to use Hive so some leniency could here and there wouldn't be that bad.
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I upvoted that emoji for the effort. I consider it meaningless shit that doesn't add value to the conversation but I upvoted it anyway for taking the effort to reply.