IS HONG KONG a test of REAL CHINESE geopoltical POWER? What if China can't be stopped?

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I honestly don't know a whole lot about the situation because I like to stay out of politics for the most part. But I do know that Hong Kong is a huge blockchain hub and any time there is geopolitical tension it helps out Bitcoin's price.

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Dear @crypto.piotr,
At first thank you for this valuable post. Although China have had perfect performance for two decades, this country does not have a vision to become leader country in world. China has one of the most deep-rooted nation in world. But this nation have not migrate to another land till history. For example saxon nation migrated in Europe, or Turkish nation migrated from Asia to Europe, or new American nation is formed with migrations. But where is Chinese movement. So this country most probably will be very powerfull economically. But not in politic affairs. Thank you for this valuable post.

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I think that China is very very strong and still can do what ever she want

It's will take some time until it's will change

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I sincerely hope that China can be stopped what's happening in Hong Kong is setting a very bad precedent. The people are clearly signalling they do not want this new law to be passed the political class need to listen.

They are two good powers, we will see what happens since I am not so steeped in this subject.

Greetings, thank you for your support

I lived and worked in Hong Kong for 34 years. In those years, before the handover in 1997, the people in Hong Kong were very productive, they lived happily under the British Government. People can be heard by public consultation. In fact, The British Government and China have agreed to "One country two systems" policy. But as time goes by, obviously, it didn't work.

I think it's part of the programmed direction we are headed into the era of complete surveillance. I think of China as more of the testing ground for the mindset of Stockholm syndrome. People largely have been accepting their captors and fully engaging in the system that we find so abhorrent.

Greetings @crypto.piotr

The political situation affects us, in one way or another, so we must begin to take into consideration aspects related to political issues, as well as the social repercussions of the actions taken.

Policies are taken and applied to enforce objectives, whether social or political, and any political action has an impact on the social, so that, as a society, we must know about the subject matter and, as far as possible, give our opinion about it, since after materializing the consequences it will be too late to expose our point of view.

The problem in general comes from the difference of ideals, what is regulated in each country by its internal laws, and in a more globalized world, creates conflicts for non-compliance or infractions according to these internal laws, resulting in control actions. This situation is being seen in many countries.

While patriotism and ideologies are a priority, globalization and standardization will have a steeper path to travel

I've followed this news two to three years ago and I've come to know the issue is far deeper both politically and nation wide.

It's true China wants full control of Hong Kong but I don't see them winning the battle because China has grown to be a Goliath in Asia and no David in sight to stop it. I think HK should look into other means of making there voice heard.

Don't forget that this issue is still far deep than what each one of us could think of.

Greetings @crypto.piotr and to everybody,
Your concern seems to be the same as the residence from Hongkong who are protesting.
China may be deemed to be already flexing its muscles to its neighbors.
Since why are they trying to impose something which is not in their jurisdiction, or amend the rule that is quite sovereign in nature to a given country? (i.e. extradition)
China is very powerful and they are also very rich.
Considering most of our daily wears are already made of China.
It is really very hard for rules to be forced upon us, especially from outside our considered home.
Hopefully, this should be settled peacefully.
Regards

I have absolutely no idea about this topic since I do not pay attention to any news. Until this post I have heard nothing recent about Hong Kong and China for any reason.

Living in SE Asia has given me a new view of the Chinese though. As far as I can tell, the Chinese are regarded favorably in most places. They surely bring a lot of tourism dollars, and I eat a lot of imported Chinese food now. From STEEM and other social media, I know people who live there and like it. That's about all I can think of for this issue.

When I was living in the states, I had no impression of the Chinese whatsoever. I left in 2016 though, so who knows what people think now.

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Hello my dear friend @crypto.piotr I would like to apologize with because I couldn’t reply all your comments and memos that I received from you..

My mind is very crowded and news like this one is very difficult to talk. Also just the question sounds very sadness...!!!

What if China can't be stopped?".

It could be a very terrible problem for Hong Kong and China. And destroy another countries between them..

This is not about just political issues, this is about global economy, people right ... new laws destroy everything..!!

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Dear Piotr, China is control us with economics right now, do you know how many companies in Italy closed due to coming of chinese products?
Of course being goegraphically near to China is not easy and their power can be more because they are big and powerful.
Hong Kong have a write agreement that will keep its indipendency for 50 years from the time british left, but we are not so far right now from this moment, so they are just training Hong Kong people that soon party will end...

I don't think there is any right or wrong,
Because when people are in different positions,
There will always be different understandings.

but,
Chinese people’s desire for power may be stronger than other ethnic groups.
It may be the result of long-term depression!

Because of Chinese education,
guidance people must 順從/服從,
Children should listen to their parents,
Students should listen to the teacher’s words.
worker should listen to company’s supervisor .
soldiers should listen to the generals,
So people must listen to the government.

Therefore,
When he is weak, he is always asked to be obedient.
When he is in power,
When he can issued any command ,
Always hate people who are not obedient.

So , I think , government will continue to suppress people...

我認為沒有所謂的對或者錯,
因為當人們處於不同的位置,
往往就會有不同的理解.

但是,
中國人對於權力的欲望,可能比其他的民族,還要來的強烈,
有可能是長期受到壓抑的結果!

因為中國的教育,
教導底下的人要聽說,
小孩子要聽父母的話,
學生要聽老師的話,
上班要聽公司主管的話,
當兵要聽將軍的話,
所以當百姓就要聽政府的話.

因此之故,
當他弱小的時候,他總是被要求要聽話,
當他掌權的時候,
可以發布命令的時候,
總是討厭不聽話的人.

所以政府應當會繼續鎮壓下去的...

@crypto.piotr, Instead of commenting about this specific event, in my opinion recently we are seeing a pattern in overall world and that pattern is, Pattern Of Domination. And most importantly control issues are rising and its not healthy because everyone have the right to express because we are not in the Slave System. Let's hope that collectively we can spread the essence of peace because these are the times when we need more peace and togetherness. Stay blessed brother.

What if China can't be stopped?

Oh China can be stopped and we have little to worry about, well at least until these guys are gone.


While they supposedly feud like the Hatfield–McCoy, both are Japanese.

China-Japan conflicts date way back. And with Japan hosting the next Summer Olympics, China is going to be on their heals for years.

The question I would like to ask today is: how long can we (western civilization) feel comfortable and safe, knowing that the political expansion of China is speeding up.

China's expansion would have been inevitable even if they did not curtail their society and military to one of more tech centered. Their reduction in military so as to increase their efforts on technological innovation is somewhat scary, but consider how long Japan has been doing it.

Sure, China is now capable of building islands, but Japan was doing that much longer than they were.

And then their is India.
Unfortunately, China made it to Tibet and destroyed the peaceful nation sitting atop the roof of the world.

Now, China and India are closer to war again than they have been in a long long time. There was even a bit of a skirmish up in the mountains years ago. China's altercations to the west are supported by some Middle East countries and India feels the pressure. This caused India to invest more in military, which the US and Isreal has increasingly supported.

China will no longer be able to ignore Japan's power come August 2020 when the Olypics and its money bring the eyes of the world to Tokyo. But, what might be more of an obstacle than anything mentioned above could come from inside China.

The national structure which overtook the region's farmland community, tribes, and families is more than frowned upon by many of its own citizen. And no, not just because of communist ideologies.

Consider how China pressures it T'ai Chi practitioners, and its Christians for that matter. Can we believe that China can expand with great strength if the peaceful meditative art-form known as T'ai Chi that embodies Chinese culture is NOT most comfortably practiced in its native region?

As always, thanks for the inspiration @crypto.piotr!

I think it is a very obvious response to the economic Bullying being used against it by the US. China is using what it has to fight back. Europe and many western countries have invested heavily in Hongkong.
Remember democracy is merely an illusion.
One system of government is no different from a other. Try demonstrating against Trumps arms sales to the Saudi Regime and see how far you get.
When money is involved they all work together.
I point you to the international space station. The US is reliant at the moment on the Russians. That may change but will they stop them from using it in the future?

I think I'ts a matter of China deciding to take their seat at the table of powerful nations with dignity and grace. That being said, I am much more concerned with developments in Tibet and the South China Sea. I believe the next major war will be between the US and China in that area. There will be great loss of life due to the Asian culture of not "losing face." I hope it doesn't come to that and we learn to live in peace and celebrate China's rise.

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Woo my dear @crypto.piotr, you really surprise me with this topic, but I think it is just your reasoning if we emphasize the fact that the great powers rule the world standards, or the great powers believe they own the world.

If China were to follow the world standards, I'm not sure what to think, but surely, like other powers, their policies would be aimed at dominating the world.

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I'm not sure how to share my opinion in this discussion. I'm not sure if I'll hit the main idea of this.

Most countries have citizens that protesting the their government. Other's are being manipulated by politics. But even so, why we should let ourselves be manipulated on it. There's no chance that those people who were protesting has a chance to be heard by their government. We will just hope that if our rights being human will also be manipulated.

If China can't be stopped? I hope this won't happen, if this will happen lot of countries will be affected also especially in social meda. We already know that we're being connected even if we're far because of social media. Let's just hope that this won't get too far that we can't even imagine. But if this happens maybe we should all be united to protect our rights.

I'm not sure if I'm correct, anyway thanks for this information.

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Hello! I agree with you on your concerns and opinions. Well, I think it is a matter of time for substantial geo-political change will take place. As many of us know, real politics happens under the table of powerful groups. I believe in the coexistence of ideological and economic models from a philosophical point of view, perhaps there are no linear-temporal advances. Maybe things to come will have to break with the way we see power relations. I think this world of crypto currencies describes quite well what future relations in politics and economics will be like.

This is a hard one to fully understand living in the US. We openly accept the one China idea. While in secret working with Hong Kong and their leadership. I know China doesn’t want a civil war. Outsiders would interfere and tip the scales. I see a lot of what China does and don’t like it. My sister went there recently and saw first hand some things that are crazy to me. They went on tours teaching the Tour guides history and at times the guides told them to stop with a fear of learning to much. For such a big powerful country the are so cut off. I interact will people all over the world here but never from China. Yet at the same time I think about ordering products in bulk from China to sell. I wondering sometimes if that would be wrong as I know they reason stuff is so cheap there is bad labor laws. Still that is a bit off topic. Hong Kong to me is hard to openly support because War with China is not something anyone really wants. Yet not confronting them could lead to a day we sit by and watch those 2 million people getting killed as they fight for freedoms. I worry the West is reaching a point they won’t be willing to stop it.

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Regards, dear friend and brother, Piotr.

I think we are addressing an issue that encompasses an old internal conflict. These are territorial claims, in my opinion very similar to many we can find around the globe. Venezuela has a territory in claim for 100 years, I mean some extensions of territory that represent 70% of the Cooperative Republic of Guyana.
On the continental shelf of South America we can find the case of the Malvinas Islands.

Now, we are talking about China, the Oriental Giant. This approach that you propose allows us to think that a conquest of this magnitude would give China more power in terms of its "desire" for expansion. This makes perfect sense.

The conquest of China over the western world is not at the territorial level, initially. They act like aliens, attacking first the economies of weak countries. Offering capital, making investments. After this is the fact of sending many of its citizens (sometimes illegally) to these countries to develop economic activity.
Taking over the main companies and then moving on to their natural resources would be like the final blow.
I think that's how China acts.

I have been following the news @crypto.piotr.

My understanding was that the British government handed Hong Kong back to China in 1997, so effectively Chine owns Hong Kong.

China is expanding its influence in countries as far as the continent of Africa and even South America, how it can't stretch that influence into a state it owns is what are talking about.

When the British reached an agreement of One country but two systems, they should have known there was no way that would last forever. You can't tell a country as big and powerful as China that you own this but this is how you'll use it.

China has been increasing its' influence even since the word go, but the world seem not to have noticed it.

China has the same infleunce in many African and South American countries too, they control where you import some certain items, they provide development on loan which the know you'll default and the condition of default is that they run the business for lengthy number years.

So don't be surprised to find out the airport you just landed in an African country is been run by a Chinese company.

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Friend @crypto.piotr brought a very important issue that we all should try to know a bit about it.
The Asian giant as they usually call it is not for nothing that earned that name, it is a giant, although you do not believe it if you can be defeated and a way is in China's own economy sounds difficult but you can.

Currently the government of the United States is giving the battle, the Asians do not like that, it is one of the reasons why they are clinging and trying to impose themselves before other smaller countries, however the transfer of sovereignty From Hong Kong on the part of the United Kingdom to the People's Republic of China, known as "the return" or "the reunification" from that Chinese moment began its claim of economic interests for which they are affected by China, which brings clear consequences that brings them and are not encouraging for Hong Kong,

We must see the bulls from afar, looking for alternatives of protection, without the need to reach a confrontation.

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China will not allow G20 to discuss Hong Kong, says foreign minister

China is trying to show the world as they are more powerful and can control things they want and thats why they are doing this. Not just Hongkong, China is also trying to have some short of influence or control over other countries like India too. But they are wrong and it will never happen as other countries will find the way to teach them lesson. thanks friend @crypto.piotr for the post. have a great weekend.

China reached a pick in terms of economic potential that themselves and no other country could even imagine or dream a few years ago.

With that larger increase in profit and wealth in a communist regime that is based in a social dictatorship at their core foundations would be more than obvious that some things have to give at the end. Those consequences are now rising with the open war declared from the United States and now Hong Kong Manifestations.

In my opinion, this is small progress and can be a beacon of hope and change for many people in China, Hong Kong, and other countries that are afraid of consequences if they speak or demand changes to the system. China, like the entire world, has to make a lot of changes now and learn how to respect and care more about the people and be afraid of retaliation if they don't do so.


If on the rest of the worlds leaders and politics parties are more aware and more respectful of their actions and other peoples beliefs and opinions it's also due to the 'social media era of apps and platforms' growth we are currently living despite all the bad things associated to them.

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China can be the closest country in terms of how they allow social media to spread, but in every rich countries, there will be always people that look even further than just their small square of land and want more. To them, I and everyone should be proud of that transformation and truly hope for the success this little achievements brings to us all.

It is an insult to call someone from Hong Kong Chinese same with people from Taiwan as I understood years ago.

For years products were made in Taiwan or.. Now it's made in China... what does that mean?

I doubt we, Western world, can and should interfere worldwide. It seems to be very hard to accept some countries have different lifestyles from ours. We like to point the finger at others and ignore our own issues.

No matter what happens each change will infect someone, some country or countries.

The influence of China isn't more annoying as the influence of the USA, Europe, the Arabic countries, etc.

Many agreed and planned already years ago what the world should look like.

I hope China gives a bit in. It's not worth another fight.

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China is definitely on the rise, in terms of both economy and political power. In fact, some people say that the US sees China as a bigger geo-political threat than Russia. And rightly so!

As of now, it seems as if China is still primarily focused on controlling its own population (including that of Hong Kong).

Nevertheless, as China's power continues to grow and as the US empire
continues to collapse, we can't be sure of what China will do. But we can be certain that it's not necessarily benign or benevolent!

This conflict is magnified by several underlying subjects.

While it's apparently a conflict China / Hong Kong, it is mainly the result of a loss of soft-power by many other countries.

First off, the USA, one may or may not appreciate Trump / feel comfortable with him, but the results of his actions are that America lost tons of soft-power. Between the people who just can't make sense out of him, and all of the obvious flaws in his reign, USA is widely seen as having lost a lot of its influence. Many leaders worldwide who had a long-standing relationship with the USA are turning the other way now.

As a result, that place of diplomatic leader, usually held by the USA has been freed. There were several candidates who could have taken its place... but: France's Macron (My country) got undermined by the idiots "Gilets Jaune" and Great Britain has the Brexit, meanwhile, Merkel's recent health troubles have left her international political power weaker.

Result? China saw an opportunity. Since the USA is closing on itself and using hard power, Europe has not managed to make a true united political front, and its individual countries were undermined, there is a great space for China to take action.

With little to no power to stop it right now, China has to strike before things have settled down. It involves itself where the USA has abandoned & the others have not made progress, such as middle-orient. Getting back Hong Kong is only possible now that the other countries' leader doesn't have the power/backing from their citizens to achieve anything significant.

We citizens of the countries are the ones who allowed China to do that by not supporting our own government. When China will have a say in the UNESCO we'll ask our leader why they didn't do a thing about it, and odds are they'll throw it back at us, "did you give us the power to act at that time?" and the answer is no. We critic all forms of governments, but they are the ones who can act/oppose governments such as China, Rusia, etc.

We're so assured that they should first think of our country and nothing else, that we forget that we're frogs in a well: we ignore what's going on elsewhere and we don't care. It's fine since it's not our role, that's the gvt's role. But it needs legitimacy to do so.

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As I myself and coming from an ex-communist country, Romania, I can say for sure that a world in which one authority tries to impose its view and rules upon the rest of the population is by no means one in which a western person would like to live.

Dear @crypto.piotr,

Hi again (4th time today!).

I hadn't noticed this post of yours until today; so, despite my tardiness I will oblige to your request and give you my perspective on the issue.

I am in a very unique position regarding this topic, as I have been living literally a few miles away from Hong Kong since the summer of 2008. I live in Shenzhen which is a major metropolis right north of HK in the mainland. I have been going to HK about every other month or so.

Although I generally tend to not comment on China issues too much (for obious reasons), I will nonetheless give you a few of my thoughts on this particular issue.

Firstly, I must re-iterate smtg you said in your post. Nearly 2 million people (out of a total population of about 7 million) taking to the streets is absolutely incredible, not to mention mind-boggling! I don't know of any other protest that has been that large, percentage-wise anywhere in the world, ever. So that is most impressive to say the least.

Perhaps even more impressive, is the fact that, by and large, these protests in the last month have been mostly peaceful with the exception of the sacking of the gov't headquarters and attacks of the "white shirts" from last weekend. That is quite amazing when you think about it. You would never see this level of peace in the USA, or elsewhere.

This is something I very much admire about the Chinese (of course I include Hong Kong'ers in the mix).

Without getting into the political mix of things, my personal opinion is that HK'ers are absolutely right to protest this bill, as if it passes mainland will be able to snatch any dissident or person in HK (even foreigners) based merely on suspicious of unwanted activity.

China has a 99.9% conviction rate which basically tells you about its rule of law (or non- rule of law I should say).

In mainland China, the CPC and ruling officials do not respect their own Constitution. If you look at it (available in English online) you would be surprised to see that it is not that dissimilar to the US Constitution in that citizens are [technically] allowed freedom of speech, assembly, religion, and grievance; yet none of these tenets are respected.

I could go on with about a thousand other reasons/things that are not right from a political and abuse-of-power perspective, but we will leave at that for now.

The other point you mentioned in your post is regarding China's "power" around the world and if HK doesn't "defeat" the beast, then the rest of the world is at risk. To this, I must make two quick points.

First, I don't believe China is that powerful outside its domestic borders. Sure it has increasing economic and military might. But is bullying ways are not so welcome around the globe. We see this with their "Belt and Road" initiative (a.k.a, New Silk Road). Basically, this project has been a resource grab and debt enslavement trap for many nations involved. I personally think this will fail for about a hundred reasons I won't expand on here. Suffice it to say that many of these reasons involve a total lack of cultural exchange and adaptation. Having lived and worked here for over a decade, I can safely assert that when it comes to China, it's their way or the highway. Period. The end. They have little respect for foreigners, their opinions, ways of doing things, etc. As a student of Chinese History, I totally understand (and somewhat/partially sympathize) why this is the case.

Second, China spends a heck of a lot of time and energy on what we call "SOFT POWER". In other words, they use many indirect, covert, under-the-radar, means to exert a positive image of China and more specifically the CPC. They do this around the globe, particularly in universities. In short, they try to ensure that almost no negative news about China gets out. They have infiltrated so many institutions to exert this kind of influence that it would take a team of 100 post-doc students four years to list them all. I think you get the point...

I love China and Chinese people - who are amazing in so many ways by the way (including my wife!) - but sadly they (and their TREMENDOUS POTENTIAL) are being severely held back by the incompetence of the ruling party, and especially their "Emperor for Life" (a.k.a., Winnie the Pooh) ruler who, in my opinion, has set the country back at least 30 years since he took office/power in 2012-3.

So, what will happen in HK?

That is the million dollar question. I am hoping that the amazing peaceful and smart people from HK never give up on not only getting this particular extradition bill permanently removed, but also either reversing or halting any other power grabs from Beijing that is not respecting the "Basic Law" (which means their agreement of special status which is suppose to last for another 2-3 decades or so).

A great place to follow the latest on this and other HK issues is to take a look at what is posted on www.hongkongfp.com.

Hope this gives you a good idea. If you have any specific questions, don't hesitate to ask.

Peace.

Hi, I red this article, and all of the comments below - very interessting views - but I miss 1 point.

Yes - China vs. Hong Kong is a big issue, but mostely for the people of Hong Kong itself. The global sentiment isn't bothered that hard, since lack of information.

The point I miss in all opinions before, is, that the global sentiment is shifting towards China's methods. China is doing so well, in global economics PR, that more and more western leaders AND PEOPLE start to believe, that the chineese system of hardliner leadership is the only way to compete globally. Look at the elections in USA and EU in the last years ... more and more hardliners are growing there influence.
Therefore - in my opinion - we do not need to fear the chineese power, we build our own grave, when we let it happen that our fears upon China dictate our own politics.

Look at the latest EU-regulations on privacy, data-storage, censorship, etc. It's horrifying - because, they are all hidden in regulations, where you would not search for them.

Watch Trump - I do not like his opinions and actions - but I have to admit, he has to be a very intelligent fool. He fools many people and politicians to be a not predictable hardliner. But if you look at the past years in retrospective it looks like a well orchestrated plan, with much distracting tweets - not the work of a silly unpredictable fool. And only a view people seem to recognize this.

Yes - China's influence is a problem, but not so much directly than behind the scenes.