Update: Townhall & Witness Meeting
Hello Steemians, we apologize for not updating you sooner but the last thing we wanted to do was give you inaccurate or untruthful information. We have now met with the TRON team and are excited to share with you the outcome of those meetings.
Town Hall
We will be hosting a Town Hall meeting a week from today, March 6th at 9 pm PST. We will provide Zoom meeting information prior to the meeting. Please leave any questions or comments to this post that you would like to be addressed during this forum.
Prior to the Town Hall, there will be a meeting between Steem Witnesses, Justin Sun and other TRON members, as well as the Steemit team. The meeting is tentatively set for Wednesday, March 4th at 9 pm PST. This will be a great opportunity for the Steem Witnesses to share their ideas and vision for Steem. The community asked for this, so we are happy to deliver on that request.
Our Visions
The most important question in our minds going into these meetings was not whether we share the same vision for Steem, but whether these two organizations, each with their own strengths, can work together to help realize one another’s visions. We were happy and somewhat surprised, to discover that this is the case.
Both organizations are trying to onboard the masses to the blockchain through amazing applications. But while Steem is taking a more application-specific approach that enables it to provide speed, consistent user experience, and free transactions, TRON is constructing an ecosystem of interconnected databases like the TRON blockchain and BTFS each of which serves a specific purpose. They see the Steem blockchain as the perfect addition to this ecosystem.
Making History
After meeting with the team we all agreed that the best way to progress our missions and add value to one another’s stakeholders is to connect our two powerful blockchains through Cross-Chain Atomic Swaps!
This would be the first time in history that two blockchains of this size will be connected to one another so that tokens can flow freely, and voluntarily, between the chains without the need for trusted intermediaries like exchanges.
New Path, Same Destination
We know that there is still a lot of work to be done to mend the wounds created by previous leadership and a rocky transition, but we are now confident that this partnership can be the new beginning that Steem so desperately needs. We hope you will join us on this new path toward achieving the same mission: to onboard the masses to the blockchain by tokenizing the web.
But let us know what you think. Do you think Cross-Chain Atomic Swaps sounds like the type of win-win solution that could help Steem and TRON explode into the mainstream? Let us know in the comments below and we will see you next week at the Town Hall.
The Steemit Team
No information about SMT?
It's not up to steemit to launch SMTs. They already made the code available for testing. Once the witnesses are comfortable that there aren't any critical bugs in the code they can go ahead and deploy it.
Short answer: the witnesses need to decide when it's safe to upgrade not steemit.
Explode into the mainstream?
If you think cross-chain atomic swaps are the key to going "mainstream", we're in deeper shit than we thought.
Bahahaha. Your comment made me giggle.
"we're in deeper shit than we thought" Hopefully this isn't the case.
Just wait for justin sun's next video, "buy my deeper s___ coins."
...before my laptop runs out of batteries.
Well neds old stake plus Justin's new ideas depends how generous Justin is feeling with he's stake right now?
Should he throw it all back into the kitty and have huge rewards for all? And have the one chain trickle into a decentralised economy for all nations as such a chain was intended for.
after swapping to tron , Justin Sun will have to full control of those steemit accounts. it is a trick
The problem Justin has is that he thinks anyone has any interest in anything TRON offers.
Why in the world would i ever move my Steem to TRON to use it. Theres nothing on Tron (except Dlive) with any remote utility.
If anything these atomic swaps are beneficial for STEEM (if Justin doesnt try any fuckery from his side) since Steem has so much more to offer then TRON does to their community.
Is Dlive on Tron and not Lino or is Lino connected to Tron? Last time I checked, Dlive left Steem for Lino. I guess I don't know a lot about Lino.
Tron ended up acquiring dlive later on
Did Tron buy Dlive from Lino or did Tron buy Lino?
just DLive, DLive is migrating from Lino to Tron. You can read more here https://cointelegraph.com/news/dlive-joins-bittorrent-ecosystem-to-make-blockchain-based-content-sharing-mainstream
thanks
I just hope too. I hope the new managements bring the Steem of our dreams. :)
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made me giggle too
did not see that they said that is the key to going "mainstream". From my understanding (and english is my 3. language) i understood that they think cross-chain atomic swaps are the best way to connect these two blockchains.
Are they, i have no idea, i almost don't know what cross-chain atomic swaps are.
Nice. This seems to be inferring that the STEEM chain will continue to exist, while being able to interface with TRON..?
Hopefully this is the case and we can revert this soft fork and continue on forwards with development, on both chains!
That's how I'm interpreting it. Like a symbiotic relationship.
Let's hope this is the case!
Sounds like it.
I HOPE SO!
Well that is just straight false, but it definitely fits the established pattern of hyperbolic marketing that both Tron and SteemIt, Inc seem to engage in.
As far as the meeting "invitation" goes, 9PM PST is a little more than ridiculous. If we are trying to get a time when the majority of time zones can participate, I think those in China could get involved before 1PM in their work day.
Finally, Justin Sun has promised "airdrops" or some other token distribution to TRX holders. Why is there nothing similar being mentioned for STEEM holders? Really kind of comes across as TRX holders being the ones Sun cares about not both blockchains equally.
Got more faith in Justin than Ned at least
I have more faith in cancer being cured by my dog than a piece of shit coming out of my asshole; but I wouldn't bet on either.
I think a piece of shit coming out of your asshole is more likely...
He's trying to tell us of his constipation woes
you should talk more
Thats gotta be rough. Not shitting until his dog cures cancer.
I just want to be clear that you agree Justin>Ned
thats where you have a totally wrong idea of de-centralization
nobody > nobody
many body > somebody you mean?
that's very well possible ...
it's hard to say which one of me was on the top-side 24 hours ago
I would recommend some more fiber in your diet.
Hahahahahahahha
You can cure cancer by the way, but I get what you're trying to say.
You can cure cancer
By the way, but I get what
You're trying to say.
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I'm a bot. I detect haiku.
Dude. Cancer is cured already. Dog doesn't need to get involved. There's just a mass of disinformation by BigMed, BigPharma and BigMedia keeping the general public in the dark so they can continue to extract money and reduce the population. Fact!
Fact?
Overwhelming anecdotal evidence, which "science" classes as scientific fact. Trouble is you have to search quite hard to find that overwhelming evidence (due to suppression by big pharma and the like), unless someone points you in the right direction. Happy to do that on request.
Namaste
wait you lost me. You wouldn't bet on a piece of shit coming out of your asshole?!? Where do you shit from!?!
Why would he care about both equally? Be great if he did, but not going to be the case - yet. My hope is, he sees what Steem really can be, falls in love with it, leaves TRON for better skies like he did Ripple and brings his resources here to make Steem phenomenal. Best case scenario.
Dream on...
You're just not dreaming BIG enough
Abso****inglutely.
"This life is just a dream
A dream made of love
Remember who you are
Remember what you are"
-Omkara
Keep smoking the hopium and let the people that aren't living in fantasy land do the real work.
I'm addicted to Hopium.
i'm addicted to faithium and loveium :-)
lol
I will keep smoking the marijuanium. I do appreciate that you are keeping it real though @netuoso and cheers for having independent knowledgeable blockchain developers working on Steem - you rock!
No disrespect, but that's delusional and will never happen. Best case scenario: he supports Steem as a blockchain and isn't just consuming it into Tron.
Why not competition? I say the more the better.
+1
Don 't be a sourpussy.
True, there aren't many blockchain of the exact same size.
Any chance you guys talked about picking up development of SMTs and utilizing the SPS to fund development if Steemit.inc decides to drop it?
There could be some conflict of interest since SMTs could be seen as competition to TRC10, TRC20 tokens due to their extreme ease of use and superiror user experience.
From the perspective of Steem users, would it be smart or even possible to look at the TRC, the Tron stuff, or to somehow treat Tron like we would SMTs? I mean like, doesn't TRC interact with Steem or would TRC interact with Steem in the same way SMT would? So, is the SMT system not up and running on Steem yet? Has that been delayed just like Communities were delayed? Does it look like TRC would have some kind of advantage over SMT? I mean like, would SMT and TRC not be on a leveled playing field of competition against each other? If that is the case, then that is like stabbing SMT in the back with a knife perhaps.
Fun Fact : Qora & Burst did the first ACCT on a mainnet on 5/17/2015, after DOGE/BTC did it on testnet in 2014.
How false is that? Which part? Are you saying that something like this has happened before?
Cross-chain atomic swaps are a great way to boost network effect in the ecosystem. How are SMTs coming along?
Not a single word about SMT’s....for second consecutive report.
Come along eh..? We shall see...
Yep. Good news are the code should be ready and only undergoing testing right now. Should a hard fork need to be done, at least the Communities are in production and SMTs not too far from that.
Who needs SMTs when we already have TRC10s?
Exactly. And mobile wallets and exchange with fiat gateaway.I'm sure that's the plan.
People who don't need a smart contract for their dapp.
TRC10s are native tokens, like STEEM or SBD. TRC20s are smart contracts.
they aren't native to Steem ... which is where SMTs will live
People who want nothing to do with TRC10s?
Does this mean STEEM will be adding EVM and eWASM support? Which token types and standards will be supported?
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Can we get a definition or description of what Cross Chain Atomic Swaps are and what they would entail?
Probably not, they just took some terms they know people like, tossed them in a post with the hope of calming people down...
:)
a wise man once said ...
https://www.cryptocompare.com/coins/guides/what-are-atomic-swaps/
Technically speaking atomic swap should typically be all or none exchange between two ledgers. I don't know details of their approach yet.
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No update regarding SMT's?
Sounds good. I think we would need more information on the Cross Chain Atomic swap. Are people going to transact / upvote using Tron as well? or will steem would be the sole entity for it?
Read about it here: https://www.investopedia.com/terms/a/atomic-swaps.asp
I think this sounds positive and good. No doubt you will be bombarded with a bunch of negative shit but please ignore it :0)
👆what he said
Joker love kidding 😅
joker love snookkums you should be careful
it is hungry
Did he love ice cream? Because i sell many ice crean 😜
im afraid my english is not that good
the keyword is careful
what do you want ?
you never known humiliation until four cops said
SQUAT
Okay sir thanks i will be carefull,
I has a bad convertation in english too
lol, i seem to have been in the zone ... yes ... icecream is the best :)
no kiddding.
This ignorant user is spreading dangerous lies in order to attempt to gain popularity and attention from the new commie overlord. Ignore the ignorant twat bag, you'll immediately feel better about your life.
Good point. What happened to #newsteem. That didn’t last long. :)
We're not here to be yes-people, especially if you're referring to the SF as "negative shit".
In regards to this post, I'm personally quite optimistic and are looking forward to the 6th of Match, but as always, one has to be realistic. Steem is a project where people have invested a lot (monetary & time-wise) and it should be treated as such. Even if that means, saying "constructive negative shit".
Nobody said anything about being yes people.
I was pleased by this and thought it positive. Constructive negative shit is always good in my book.
But just plain negative shit, no thanks
I think most of us know the difference between constructive criticism and negative shit.
The 6th of Match you say, I like that. You Match me this and I'll Match you that, if you can all find 6 things to Match upon I'd call that a Match Set....lol
id say embrace it
master tree
we moeten er allemaal mee leven
waarom zij niet ?
I'm all for the embracing it, will have to see what the it is but full steem ahead!
:)
i know at least 20 people who didn't have it in the last four years
so yea ... let's have it heh heh
they had content on google before this thing suddenly became alpha and omega (according to the upper protectorate and groupies)
Cross-Chain Atomic Swaps > Token Swap
This will keep Steem sovereign and boost both ecosystems. Bitcoin and litecoin did it, now making a blockchain like Steem, connect to a general application blockchain like Tron will be very cool.
Mutual win-wins are what this is all about.
☝️also what he said
i hate downvoting retard motherfuckers
even if they got clout
i still hate them
they are censorship-by-money
i will never
even if most of the people i know here would i wont
you are a piece of shit
i seriously dont like you
but i have the same issue with most 100.000 dollar whales
never mind me
Did Ethereum ever do it? I didn't know Bitcoin and Litecoin did it but that's good.
Polkadot and the web3 foundation have been working on connecting blockchains so this is by far a first, they are also way head. I still dont get why steem is not part of that.
The word swap, rather than exchange pair is rather worrying.
I think tron and steem can be strong together and there is potiental, but it will be easy to mess it up, and fast.
I honestly have no need for TRX. Nothing on their chain says "hey wow!" But we could be strong together and it would be easy to mess up quickly.
You could build Steem apps that use Tron for smart contracts.
Yeah but the dapps will still exist on the Steem blockchain so the only benefit we would feel is if dapps manage to increase users and funding to improve our user experience.
Its not really a direct benefit for us.
DApps use blockchains as back ends, either as data storage (Steem) or for computing/data storage (Tron when using it for smart contracts). An app that used both Steem and Tron would benefit both blockchains by increasing organic demand for the tokens, that is SP, STEEM/SBD and TRX/possibly some TRC10 tokens.
steem is worth nothing
tron is worth a LOT but not by unit
steemit stinks at sales
tron stinks at coneheads
GET THE FUCKING PICTURE
PLEASE
I think it's the terminology because it will work directly between the two blockchains and not via an exchange. That's what I understood from their post:
If we ignore the first part regarding being the first time, which might or might not be accurate (they do say "of this size" and I'm not familiar of the sizes of the other blockchains which inter-operate), they do say one very important word - VOLUNTARILY. No one will be forced to do these atomic swaps if they don't want to, which seems much better than the sound of the initially marketed token swap.
Not quite sure what this means, but atomic doesn't sound good to me LOL.
Not quite sure what this
Means, but atomic doesn't
Sound good to me LOL.
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Better than nuclear!
amirite?
I have the feeling they are both bad xD
lol
Atomic is a CS technical term for all or none. Allows for coins or tokens to be exchanged in escrow. Sometimes without need for escrow agent because the chains take part in locking the ledgers in limbo. This allows for at least 2 people to swap. Sometimes more complex arrangements are made like multiple tokens or an escrow mediator. Details depends on the technology available and how the swap is done.
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Thank you for the explanation! Wow, these things are complicated.
I still think it's better to leave it as it is now.
It is a blockchain or Bitcoin term right? Well, maybe not a Bitcoin term but cryptography should follow the same all or none logic to ensure transactions are verified and completed so that things are not left in limbo like you said. There are differences between cryptocurrencies and how traditional digital fiat currency works. So, it sounds like the cross chain atomic swapping is a term meant to describe a mechanism within cryptography itself but with the addition of going from one blockchain to another blockchain, am I right? So, in other words, instead of an external middle-man exchange, it sounds like the atomic thing is like a built-in internal exchanging protocol that is built in on both blockchains that allow for the transactions, I mean the exchanges. So, technically, it is not that there is no middle man but that there is no third-party middle man, it would seem.
How many witnesses participate in the Pre-Town Hall meeting? I think witnesses need to come up with a solution for Steem and Tron Blockchain to coexist as a parallel chain.
So now you WANT witnesses to be involved in making decisions for the community? Boy you just can't make up your mind.
I just want my bags to pump...simple man
It would likely be a lot less than the "50" that are invited for the town-hall. I expect it to be a smaller group representing the witnesses and stakeholders who worked to implement the soft fork.
What about the Steem Backed Dollars? I think the system could be imported in Tron to have a much larger backed equivalent "Tron Backed Dollars"
I think that they could also go even larger and do: "dollar-backed dollars"
Scooby DBD!
Lmfao!
How about back-backed dollars? Backed by backbreaking labor by indentured laborers, tucked away in an abandoned mine recently acquired by the Tron foundation.
They can mine lithium for battery powered mining rigs for Bitcoin.
And if they can't find anything, they can use stationary bicycles to generate the power.
Out of box thinking : how about we print a paper note with hologram and everything for the tron back SBD ?
That's just crazy talk.
What if we do TronSteem-backed USDT Steem Dollars that are backed by the collective faith of Steem users in Steemit Inc.'s leadership?
omfg I'm dying XD
TSBUSDTSD
You forgot the "post Ned's stint as the Steem blockchain's expert visionary on guitar strumming, and the like" at the end of that. So now we have:
TronSteem-backed USDT Steem Dollars that are backed by the collective faith of Steem users in Steemit Inc.'s leadership, post Ned's stint as the Steem blockchain's expert visionary on guitar strumming, and the like.
You forgot “backed by.” So it’s actually now...
TronSteem-backed USDT Steem Dollars that are backed by the collective faith of Steem users in Steemit Inc.'s leadership, backed by post Ned's stint as the Steem blockchain's expert visionary on guitar strumming, and the like.
Or something along those lines to that effect or similar.
I knew you'd catch that, but I figured why even try to edit that in on you with your legendary screen-capture reflexes and well documented lack of edit-tomfoolery tolerance?
I'll sneak one in on you one of these days. Even the great @ats-david must blink from time to time, I've read somewhere. If there's one thing in this life that I'm certain of it's this.
was that a tongue twister?
No, no...
That was a mind-bender. A brain tease, if you will. Or even if you won’t. Or maybe you’re undecided. You should probably make a decision though. This is no time to be indifferent or even ambiguous. It’s certainly not a time for procrastination.
So what will it be? Which do you choose? Please tell us!
I'm by your side, till the end
im afraid i cant have any amero-sino r
euhm?
its hard to speak in a Trumpian environment
but
welcome to northern europe
we have vikings
and fairlight
you have
python ?
you know this place has been quite amusing once i stopped giving a shit about the salespitch ?
thats not fake
thats a concert
kids can't afford that anymore
everyone's in line
you were saying ?
8kb of custom json is an SMT and communities are not hives that were here all along
i live in europe
i might as well be afghanistan
YOUR SHIT GOT ME BOMBED
texas
i saw the burning bush
now it has to prove itself
Nah, the biggest, by far, would be "bullshit-backed dollars". Every politician, ever, is at least a quadrillionaire in that currency. I have a cousin who's easily a trillionaire. I'd bet that there are whole parallel universes full of our collective bullshit, just so we have enough space for some air to breath.
The ”let’s back the backed dollar” scenario 😂
Sheesh
Is there a case to record the whole meeting so that both Steem TRON communities have an idea what's going to take place the next few months rather than just reading a report?
I second this motion to have ALL meetings that involve Steem Witnesses are recorded and available to the public. We are all stakeholders and should be privy to these conversations.
They should live stream the meetings on YouTube, Facebook, Periscope, Dlive, etc, the more the better. Upload copies to Bit Torrent, Bitchute, Brighteon, LBRY, the more the better. People should try to make copies of the videos just in case. Mirror the videos because you never know.
The Zoom software they are saying to use can record the whole thing with a click of a button, yes. The choice to do or not do that will be a deliberate one, as the button is a pretty big, red, round one.
This is how I now picture Steem and Tron:
...
Is something ejaculating?
Soul-bonding.
Wet atomic swapping
Swap it atomically, put it away wet.
I'm starting to get a feel for this. Right, you be Justin and I be Ned.
Call me on the usual number
Can I be Dan?
Perhaps! ;0)
You be Dan, I'll be Moira, I mean Mira!
Who's Mira!
You're Mira!! Or wait, was it me?
I don't even know anymore. But look! We have our very own secret lair within the Kingdom of Steemitblog.
We do, we have burrowed deep. Let us make this our headquarters!
Did you bring the stuff?
Don't worry. It's all in my bag. Which is in my horse. Hey, wait a minute, Bessie? Bessie? Where are you?!
That was your horse?
I'm sorry. I was so hungry I could eat one and well, you know how the rest of this story goes.
Damn. She loved a good riding too, did Bessie.
Oh well, plenty more horses in the sea
I found one!
I'll walk!!!
You're too drunk to walk!
I'm too walk to drunk!!
Time to party!!!!
Yeah!!! Come with me, I've got some horse
Lol, always loved the Badgers!
I will right after this song. Only six more hours.
Hahaha. Doing a few too many beer reviews tonight?
Weird Pokemon porn :D
Close. Rick and Morty.
That weird Pokemon porn was incredibly hard to masturbate to; but not impossible.
It takes resolve.
I agree. Those stains are stubborn.
Lols
Haha, never impossible!!
😂😂😂😂
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Who is being jizzed on ?
Bet it's steem
Normally is.
which one is which lol
I think this is great news, I have always said it will great when we can more chains work together as one system. I mean let's see whats actually comes from this but it is so far some good news
You use word swaps again, isn't "linking" the chains, more fitting? Unless I don't understand what is meant by Cross-Chain Atomic Sawp, jeeez sounds like term from scifi movie xD
A cross-chain atomic swap is a way to exchange your tokens on one chain for tokens on another chain without using a third party like an exchange in between. It's a protocol for ensuring that the whole exchange takes place or none of it. To do it, you need a wallet that supports both coins and the protocol.
Thank you for explaining this, had never come across the term before.
hey @steemitblog, you should add this to the post so newer people to the crypto game know wtf a "Cross-Chain Atomic Swap" is.
atomic swaps would be direct copies like the kind hardware cant handle
on planet Crypton everything's a pitch
99% of who you're talking to doesn't even know what you're saying
you just need the magic words that are
fashionable
you should refrain from trying to enlist people who do
understand
this is a cute post
i see steem going between 12 cents and 20
not 7 dollar
so its not there yet
(where it was)
you happy ?
you think like
O WE GOT 20 CENTS
VICTORY ?
are you ? do you ?
you lack imagination ?
its what Einstein (yours) warned me about
all you know is fashionable
and numbers
il grant you that much
first one to say spelling mistake gets shot
you people care to much , this place was built to harbour 20 at best
it works fine like that
dont grab what you can
use it
you don't see the part where even your leaders are just following trends ?
i have no intention
i also have nothing to prove, good luck with that angle
Thanks for agreeing to meet prior to the Town Hall so we can lay out our intentions, expectations and hopes and all get on the same page or at least - in the same book where the pages are read. I think ultimately, the same goals are aligned for both chains in the cryptospace. But the softfork shows concern for our blockchain due to the lack of communication and, I haven't been here as long as others, but some bad blood appears to need to be let.
Interoperability due cross-chain atomic swaps may be not a key to onboard the masses, but it can lead to a network with more value of usage. Connecting two networks leads to a bigger network with much higher value following metcalfes law. However a mass onboarding requeires an easy usage of that entire network. We will not onboard anyone if he has to know what an atomic swap is.
Cross-chain atomic swap, sound to be the most likely to push both tron & steem to the best destination we all wish this blockchain to be. This would boost the users with ease transaction & incentivize steem in many ways. We hope the Town Hall meeting comes off & going to experience much.
Yes, a bridge between the Tron and Steem blockchain, that is the best next step, I think. With Steem adding SMTs, being able to swap chains, make it so!
Great news.
STEEM
Now with Cross-Chain Atomic Swaps!
A late 80's early 90's cereal commercial comes to mind when I hear that inside my head. If we're going mainstream with that though, we might have to hire Mr. T to say it.
I have two questions I'd like answered at this meeting.
What the hell is a Cross-Chain Atomic Swap?(Never mind. Thanks Google.)Who took all the names?
The real question is "Does Mikey Like it" ?
It's so fine, it blows his mind.
*edit Sigh. You changed Mickey to Mikey and now my nonsensical response doesn't make sense.
it was a set up lol
Curses! Foiled again!
He likes it-hey Mikey!
Does Oatmeal like it lol
It will be still nice to hear the specifics on the Cross-Chain Atomic Swap between Steem and Tron
Yeah. Until then, more wait and see.
You got your Steem in my tron!
Let’s see what happens 🤷🏼♂️
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So basically “Steemit joined Tron Network” = there will be a DEX between steem and tron currency.
At least the chain stays as it is. Good.
I hope all the fuzz words the team throws on social media these few days is because they see the value of Steem ecosystem and would be willing to invest some marketing resources (yea, have to admit that’s what we lack atm on Steem) on the chain (yay something like pump steem price 10 times would do.... jk) not just to make tron ecosystem sounds awesome.
Alright. So this has some good news and clarifications at least. I'm glad to hear that the news we've been hearing of plans for a "token swap" now comes down to atomic swaps that I understand is a 1:1 pair where you always have the identical number of tokens on each chain, rather than this being some new token that we are asked to trade in our STEEM in exchange for (as many have feared). This can be cool, as it practically means that there'll be opportunities for Steem dApps to utilize smart contracts if they want to, while others won't have to deal with Tron if all they need is already on Steem. Great. That settles a lot of concerns people have had.
My main question is to what extent this is likely to benefit Steem or Tron the most? Is adding value to STEEM still the main priority of the team? Or is there now a conflict of interest where the new owners benefit more from Steemit developers helping grow the value of TRX? In that case, is the Steemit Inc stake, which is promised to be used to grow Steem, still going to be used explicitly for that purpose?
Many questions still left to answer, but at least I feel a bit better from this post.
an atomic swap is not a 1:1 pair. it's more like a decentralized network where transaction happens when certain conditions are met which includes the exchange rate. but i dont really care how much value it's gonna bring to steem/tron. i care that it's not a token swap where justin is trying to force people to give up steem.
I dont think they even know at this point how this will work. They need to set goals they intend to complete before we can make a guess as to who benefits and how much.
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anger is only a solution if you get your target tied to a chair in a basement
but that's also a fortune cookie solution
you're not done blogging here and you know it
AND
you downvoted one of my werkz
but all good
this place is really a firm petri-dish
gimme a billion
ill show you how its done
So glad to hear the merger between steemit, steem, and tron will work to the benefit of all!
Remove downvoters!
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Succeed and success!
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Ever read @meesterboom? @johnjgeddes? There's a lot of authors that are so very good that I like every single one! I think it's possible for fans of authors to like everything an author dies. Take Bezos, Buffett, Zuckerberg, Bloomberg, Musk - everyone that likes them likes what they do. Now me, I spent a lot of time in my life faith healing and know people who do that and I have never heard of antone complain when they were healed instantly for free, have you? No there people who follow authors, speakers be it jesus, marx, or satan that adore everything they do, like President The Donald
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I agree that the downvote flag button should be replaced with like a Reddit style dislike button and there should be an option to be able to see posts with more likes closer to the top of the feed like you would see on Reddit. Perhaps, they should have a like button and an upvote button as liking and upvoting can sometimes be separate. If I like something, I want to like it. But upvoting might be like a super like, well depending on how Steem works. But upvoting is almost like buying something. Well, I mean, upvoting can be expensive or whatever the case might be. I would prefer having an option to vote or to like or to do both things.
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This ignorant user is spreading dangerous lies in order to attempt to gain popularity and attention from the new commie overlord. Ignore the ignorant twat bag, you'll immediately feel better about your life.
Obviously a marketting person wrote the post. Someone who has mastered being evasive and trying to spin garbage as something we want or can agree too. No matter how you spin it, Tron is still as Justin Sun Said, S___. The answer that Tron/Justin Sun refuses to answer is why the f___ do they need a steem tron coin. Now that the atomic swap has been mentioned, it brings up new dangers to the Steem chain. Still the same dangers of the new mintage for which Sun Tron has not given any info on, but certainly a backdoor to try to get behind the issue of the control that the consensus witnesses have; Basically an open invitation for more Ninja mining on Tron's end that gets instantaneously swapped over to steem. In a matter of seconds or minutes the CCP owns all 20 consensus witness servers. Whether he allows Steem to exists as a block chain is doubtful, but the chain will effectively be dead whether it exists as a BTSF of a block chain once it is centralized. Again, Why does Justin Sun need a Steem Tron coin? He really doesn't.
Since Steem is open source, and supposing he truly wanted steem's technology, he is perfectly capable of running his own Steem chain. He is perfectly capable of running his own fork of steem. So why does he drag us through this? The Chinese do Value Steem as a coin, but they don't value free speech. He wants control over that which he has no right to control, so he is trying to take over. He deserves the proverbial foot in the a__-but probably shouldn't for reasons stated later.
BTFS is not the same as a block chain from what I am reading. Just another system that allows Justin Tron and by extension the CPP to delete whatever content they don't like. The users of steem for the most part moved here because they hate censorship on twitter, reddit, facebook, and elsewhere. We know the Chinese have been financing and controlling a good portion of the American communications industries and shutting down our speech-Since bitcoin and other cryptos are basically banned in China yet they are the top miners, I think we can speculate where the crypto is going and why certain big tech CEOs and companies have so much of it.
Tell your communist party pussies that we aren't interested in the CCP depriving us of logos (speech and reason; personhood) or our other rights. Don't expect to win us over by offering us a centralized platform with less features and more censorship than the tech giants. We balk and will walk at such a prospect, just as we balked and walked from Big tech.
Nor do we want our dapps deleted because Sun thinks it competes with his ideas, nor for our ideas to be deleted at the whim of a court injunction from anywhere that has a mad dictator on the bench. It's bad enough trying to kick the family court judges off the bench, We also don't want the mad dictatorship of the Chinese communist party controlling STEEM. The moment that speech and reason (logos; personhood) has ended, it should be without question that a controversy is ripe to transmute into a state of war to regain our humanity. How many a__es do we have to kick to be able to speech freely these days.
Nor do we want a theft by dilution through the new steem tron coins, nor do we want a sell off because of the air drop to tron. If Tron users wanted to participate in steem they would buy their own damn coins and use it. If we wanted to use tron coins, we ah...they are just as advertized but useless in my garden. We don't want Tron. Sure if Sun gave us 100 million tron I am sure we'd dump that s___ for bitcoin or USDT. We don't want to sit in the shadows of an inferior chain that no one wants to use, that no sane person would want to use, and that Mr. Sun readily abuses. If trons "decentralized" solution to everything is a centralized database, even the poorest of developers are better off to buy a $35 raspberry pi. It seems prima facie to be a fraudulent act to call tron an enabler of decentralized platforms or that it is capable of running dapps. You admit it yourself, it runs BTFS. A database that Sun/Tron ultimately controls. Nothing decentralized about it and something Sun can alter on a whim-Even if steemit remains on a steem chain he could still do the same when he replaces the consensus witnesses.
If Ned Scott promised Justin Sun something that he had no ability to offer, we'd support Justin Sun Suing/pressing criminal charges against Lame Duck/sell out Ned Scott to reclaim his property. If that wasn't the case, Tell Justin Sun to take his worthless steemit dapp and leave the steem chain for good. We'll use palnet or many other interfaces. It's not like it is complex writing a social network; especially one this small. The biggest obstacle is marketing and getting users. So far, all Justin Sun has offered us is a message to stay the h__ away. Why the hell should any of us invest in Steem at the point with Sun trying to take over. The Sooner Sun leaves the chain, the more stable the future is for the chain, and the better it is for everyone. So get Lost Justin. Target Ned if you don't get what Ned might have promised you, not us. If you want to be made whole for Ned's dealings, don't leave us on empty.
The private users of Steem developed the interface far better than all the millions of dollars and Steem you[steemit] pissed away over the years and obtained through fraudulent means (ninja mining). All those millions, and even your web APIs are broken for the basic necessities where developers have to find 3rd party work arounds. We don't need you and we don't want you. Be Gone, get lost, get the hell out of here. Stop wasting our time. You are a bunch of irresponsible sellouts and we are better off without you. I'd tell justice sun to go Fornicate himself with an iron stick, but since he lives in San Franscisco he'd probably enjoy it and he'd probably invite his daddy and big brother and call upon his ancestors to watch all kissy kissy.
So on that note, tell him to return to his childhood home and stay there a couple months. I think it would cure all of our problems, Have a 电晕啤酒病毒 on us.
Eli Powell, feel free to get a new Job. You are clearly not a developer. Tokenizing the web is crap. Even Justin Sun proved that point when he suggested a warrenbuffet coin. There are tens of thousands of erc-20 tokens, many more wave tokens, also have tron tokens, even SMT and steem-engine tokens and many more. Digital tokens existed decades before then. I would dare say that warcraft and runescape gold have more value than most crypto tokens-and they are database driven. So I fart in your general direction if you think the Steem Chain should join Tron's campaign of copy and paste what has been tested and failed tends of thousands of times. Its the classic definition of Insanity-as old as if not predating Sisyphus. @Aggroed already did that for the steem chain anyways on a side chain. So really you are moving the chain backwards if your goal is to play catch up to what independent developers have already done on steem.
The future is in DAPPS, that means things besides tokens and blogs. Things that independent developers of steem have already done on a voluntary basis. You and Justin Sun have been made obsolete by technologies showing the steemit team hasn't evolved in 4 years, and you are pissing away what Steem is capable of. Please, Go Away! Are there html files, images, pdf files on the steem chain? Absolutely. Just one change in a line of code, any anyone technically could store videos in a steem dapp. But do go on, please tell us how the future is tokens and CCP centralization. Just let me eat more [vegetarian] beans first.
I see developers aren't allowed-unless they are a top 50 witness. It is not about what can be done with steem, but purely about control of the chain. Something you should never be allowed to have. You are owned by tron and the CCP now, please go bye bye. You are a pawn of the enemy of the free people across the Globe. Don't let the door hit you in the butt of your way out; s___ splatters and we don't need the mess you guys leave behind.
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ahh, you downvoted me. I hope that didn't hide my post. Other than posts by justinsunsteemit, I don't think I downvote anyone.
yeah, I know I was trying to strike a few nerves by invoking chinese culture/taboos into the post. Squeaky wheel gets [heard], assuming they even care to read. Kissing in chinese culture is a taboo, apparently linked to cannibalism. No shortage of cannibalism in recent (last 100 years) of chinese history, but still it is taboo enough that Disney can't leave a kissing scene in a live action version of Mulan. https://www.express.co.uk/entertainment/films/1248190/Mulan-movie-kiss-Disney-China-censorship-coronavirus-Chinese-box-office
Just gives you some idea what is in store in our near future.
Continue competing for the most salty. We need more of it in today's society.
It just came off as racist and as if you know nothing about Justin. He is far from perfect, but his ideas on free markets, competition and freedom are all over the internet. :)
No, your post isn't hidden.
China isn't a race, and I considered moving there some 10 years ago to Escape the domestic feminazi terrorists. I also know the Chinese are good people in general; its the communist that can't be trusted. But Either China has gotten worse on human rights in the last 10 years, or more of it is being made public. Their social controls have also infiltrated the states in numerous ways to discourage or bankrupt speakers.
They are conquering us because overall we are lazy and dumb. We allowed it to happen.
All done by design.
When/if the truth becomes known, the people are likely to be mad.
But, too few of them pull their heads out of their flashylight box's cat videos and latte art long enough to care.
I know that China is a place, being from there does not mean one is a commie.
Anyway, not my fight... you can own your own words
This ignorant user is spreading dangerous lies in order to attempt to gain popularity and attention from the new commie overlord. Ignore the ignorant twat bag, you'll immediately feel better about your life.
This ignorant user is spreading dangerous lies in order to attempt to gain popularity and attention from the new commie overlord. Ignore the ignorant twat bag, you'll immediately feel better about your life.
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Ditto!
We got no need of bosses here, tyvm.
what!
it is a trick. after swapping ,Justin Sun will have the full control of those steemit accounts
Witness System:
Dear First Amendment @firstamendment, Is a witness server owned by a particular witness?
Centralization vs Decentralization
If Tron were to create Steem accounts and get many Steem accounts to vote the Justin Sun accounts to be witnesses, then centralization would increase, assuming that is how Steem works.
How Steem Works
Last time I checked, I'm pretty sure that is how Steem works. So, it is a question of who the witnesses are. It is a question of the hardware, equipment, servers, computers, nodes, devices, etc, that witnesses own or use. Yes, remote access can be a problem.
Apple Backdoor
So, we can talk all day about backdoors. I should probably write about that more. But I really thought that Tron control over Steem would be limited to how many witnesses they had control over and things relating to that.
Democracy Republic
If Steem is mostly controlled by a consensus, by the majority, of the witnesses, and if witnesses are voted on by Steem accounts, then the vulnerability would be if Tron created too many bot accounts that would then vote for Tron controlled witnesses.
Bot Lives Matter
Just kidding about the bot lives matter. So, in conclusion, if it were to be possible, I would not allow bot accounts the ability to vote for witnesses. And I don't want to ban bots but I also want to be careful how the voting system works on Steem.
Might be handy to explain wtf a "Cross-Chain Atomic Swap" is...
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Thanks for the update!
I would like to address one issue and it's really simple, at least in my mind. Why Tron devs (or I can do it myself if you guys want it) are not creating a simple smart contract that will permit to people to use Steem VIA Tron, complementary as we do now with our Steem accounts. So the Steem blockchain could also handle transaction signed by the Tron wallets/users.
Technically we only need 1 and only 1 smart contract on Tron to be able to transact with the Steem ecosystem. And we only need a small change on Steem to accept those transactions!
From my opinion this is far the best option to keep those lovely chain as they are and permit interoperability between both of them. That will keep everything stable while giving an easy way to use/combine the Tron advantages with those of Steem.
This will not need any swap, any big change, only an a simple implementation in both side.
Edit : this option also give the possibility to have a dedicated TRC20/TRC10 for Steem on Tron. And basically we can give back the whole rewards for Tron users as SteemTron tokens or permit to users to swap their tokens at any time if they find it interesting.
This will work 100% and I can easily give more details if you are interested.
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There are over 60 billion TRX but less than 400 million STEEM. What kind of ratio would be used for swaps and would the ratio remain fixed even if the two tokens had different inflation rates?
It would only make sense for it to be a moving target depending on the price of both currencies. Tron or steem could become way more or less popular and out of a sudden, you have a way to "print" money for free by swapping and selling
The ratio benefiting Tronics.
Buy tron and get steem airdrop, hehe.
my question exactly
I like the idea of atomic swaps. I still think Steem is a superior blockchain. I wish I could be a fly on the wall when Justin call Ned asking why the steem witness's are fucking him lol.
haha yes
Wow this make great in 2020
So good looking this news
Bhy the way when or where i got app steemit?
@steemitblog, We are eagerly waiting for the Town Hall Meeting Session team. Hope that this session will going to clear up the Environment Of Confusion and both Steem and TRON will start a fresh and Mutually Beneficial Journey. Stay blessed team.
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A lot of questions @steemitblog I hope not to bother you for asking..
Is there any conflict of interest ..?
Why everybody is asking for a priority..??
Is not Steem and TRON value for all of us..?
What is the purpose then..?
Maybe everything is good news @crypto.piotr
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This is how I imagined it should work as long as it's done properly.
I'm still not seeing exactly how this is financially beneficial to anyone. It still feels like an uninformed purchase where the new owner is now desperately trying to find a way to justify the purchase.
Like the modern artist: Paint random nonsense now, justify in the description later. I actually won a competition doing that once.
i stand in awe at the risk-taking
I can virtually taste the salt from the cummulative groans this will cause.
It's an idea I'm down with and a concept I already started applying through binance to exchange my coins. This Union will be huge for all of us and this sort of collaboration is what cryptocurrencies need.
Why not EOS? Or Bitshares? Or both?
Because steemit was bought by Tron owner, not Eos or others.
I'm calling bs on that, other than stinc not delivering smteees! and 'communities' being better than nothing at all for the true belibers that are currently holding Ned, et al,'s bags, we were progressing just fine after we forced HF 21 onto the chain.
Delivering long promised code that has already been paid for is supposed to be par for the course, not super amazingly, stupendously, death defying lying to us about the reality behind the curtain, eh?
Unlikely.
Honest, responsive leadership will do much more for us, IMO.
Who sets the exchange rates on these 'atomic' swaps?
This sounds interesting. Will the token swaps have a transaction fee?
if there was a transaction, i would have subtracted it automatically
I hope and believe that there
the two teams must work together for one purpose: the progress and success of Steemit! Cooperation with Tron is an opportunity for a great acceleration towards mass adoption!
This is very positive news as i see. I think investor also take this as a very good steps towards steem growth.
lol stinc, you're telling me steem and tron are bigger than bitcoin and ethereum?
https://cointelegraph.com/news/btc-eth-dai-cross-chain-atomic-swaps-launched-by-liquality-on-mainnet
you're not the first either cuz atomic swaps have been in existence for years.
and why do i get a feeling justin is gonna come up with a random webpage and call it "atomic swaps"?
So, Bitcoin connects to Ethereum, Litecoin, and what else via the atomic swaps? I didn't realize that but Bitcoin is a pioneer in being the first cryptocurrency as far as I know. So, if they're doing it, then perhaps Steem and Tron should do it and eventually Steem should connect to Bitcoin, right?
yea i guess, but i'm no expert. all i can say is this: they're secondary layers and steem is neither the first nor the biggest. justin lacks clarity in his marketing because he doesn't care or is incompetent. either way, it means he's gonna burn steem to the ground.
But would Steem be the biggest social networking blockchain assuming that Bitcoin, Ethereum, etc, are not social networks in the same way that Steemit might be?
yes maybe. but the post says "blockchains" and nothing about social media. again, justin lacks clarity cuz he's got nothing but hype. if dlive becomes censorship-resistant like he says it will, i might start thinking about believing him.
Did Dlive ban Infowars?
you can't ban someone that's not even aware of your platform.
yea, maybe not
Hey, good to hear.. Got plenty of that these last few weeks. lol
I dont see TRON a good addition to the Steem ecosystem but wer stuck together so we will take them.
Welcome TRON to the Steem ecosystem.
That sounds good. It doesnt exclude fuckery from Justins part but its a good step int he right direction.
Hopefully, everyone remembers that only by acting and "showing our teeth" did we manage to force Justin to flip his rhetoric on its head.
But..nothing is over till code is in place so we need to keep on our toes.
This is great progress! I think if the Steem and TRON community can find away to work together in a constructive way, there is a bright future ahead for us. We need to attract more and more users to Steemit and positive messages about the cooperation and the joined roadmap for sure will help us get there!
It is a valuable news for all steemians..
Please resteem the post & spread the news.
Atomic Swap is first seen on Komodo blockchain yet still unknown to the masses.
Question: What is your plan with SMT?
It's nice to see that you are deciding for the community! Our community always hosted such meetings and invited Steemit inc. Now Justin comes and sets a date to meet him. We already did. Remember AMA
It is not a meeting, it's like Justin deciding where we should go and what we shall do. It's a damn decentralized blockchain and Steemit inc already received millions of dollars for being part of it.
No offense. I appreciate what Steemit developers did in the past 4 years. But now Justin decides what community wants. On day 1 he announced there will be a "token swap" without knowing what we want. Now I wonder who agreed on "Cross-Chain Atomic Swaps"?
If you want to work together with the community, it's not the proper way.
Cross-chain swap without abusable big storage wallets sounds great but if these exchange accounts are eliminated I expect that there will be some kind of accounting ON STEEM CHAIN ensuring that Tron chain can't return more STEEM to Steem chain than how much has been transferred to Tron chain
nice video
will see what is going on next week
you are the smartest hamster ever
so far
... i lost count but thats a lot of steempower
do NOT buy until they spend
and stay frosty
nobody looks cool when they lose their cool but sometimes its really hard
half of them don't understand the concept of decoy anyway
they're all dawg
like whippets on a metal rabbit
who the hell would have ambiguous plans when millions are involved
a bit more of this and im really gonna start blaming it on the plastic in the water
have a cookie
cant say you lost me
but i also dont like to see people squirm
even if today's the day, most of us who actually matter
you need to learn to make repairs behind the screen
or else
not even i have a clue if you were in cahoots to make a million
or if you are all just
i dont know
clueless hippies with a degree paid for by daddy ?
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giving tokens to steemit inc
im having like a lulz right now
nobody wants excuses
no matter what they tell you
they want the dough
get the fucking picture and leave the rest behind
most will get a blank stare and reset anyway once you say "blockchain"
its all good
if you do it right
just please dont spit that in my direction anymore
im totally down with it
we're not gonna beat bitcoin
(experts by now notice the word of the use me)
we're gonna beat
larrimer
heh heh
nothing in business works better
than a common cause
it might work
Cross-Chain Atomic Swaps sounds like the type of win-win, the main direction in the cooperation is to continue develop steem as a independent blockchain, we have a lot of coins in crypto market and most of them we can only hold and transfer, but the steem is more powerful and functional blockchain.
I don't think the STEEM community is interested by atomic swaps, which means more development time. We already waited for SMTs for literally years, and still waiting.
I think the STEEM technology is already amazing by itself, even if you cannot do smart contracts in it like TRON, it covers the largest use-case of web-apps (think facebook, youtube, games, etc). Developers can start working on a steem app without having to learn a new language (solidity), they can interact with the STEEM chain in any commonly used language (javascript, python, etc).
STEEM has a falling userbase and problems with user retention or onboarding. See this post for factual data: https://steemit.com/steem/@dalz/how-many-active-users-accounts-the-steem-blockchain-actually-has
And that's the #1 issue for STEEM right now. STEEM needs more users, and more marketing leverage.
A good win-win first-step solution for me would be to offer free TRON accounts to steemians who have enough Steem Power. And vice versa, offer free STEEM accounts to Tron accounts if they have enough TRX staked. Let the people discover the advantages of both networks before forcing anything upon them.
how about
show me a true demo of what blockchain can achieve and
maybe
someone will get interested
scambagging is easy
demo is hard
certainly made the crowd move
mister Robot was never in it for the money but you certainly made the crowd move
WHAT IF
you had someone who doesnt need the money and someone who doesnt care
?
imagine the options
i would simply take the open-source
and spend another billion at this stage
it certainly is a great concept
Congratulations @steemitblog!
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something that doesnt say "pay now get later" might work
but i can't guarantee that at this stage
100.000 dollar whales are bad news
billionnaires are bored
anyway, mister Sun (dont call me that ... ik now the last girl said DONT CALL ME SWEETIE ILL SUE YOU)
its awfully interesting to see how you get pushed over by a few 100.000 dollar texas whales
i eagerly await
but i cant help anyone right now
on the other hand
im probably the only real person here
lets not blame it on justin or steemit, they're just humans
blame it on the marketeers
the conscencus would be : "we agree to go on as long as no one gets to rule"
am i wrong ?
(im always right but they told me not to say that, it makes me look bad)
what facebook's all about :
blah
you dont want the votes
you want the comments that arent bots
i just had a reminder of how i cant be me
it wasnt fun
it was some kind of release
it probably saved some people
are you jerking off to your own response ?
i have issues with you people you think you own
everyone
you should be happy they wanna
but its okay
you should is something i learned from you and i hate it
you shouldnt if you dont wanna
it only creates enmity
yo, sweetie (DONT CALL ME SWEETIE ILL SUE YOU) , youre getting response
most people here never get that
you're still in charge , right ? or was that just a Texan cowboy-thing ?
town hall sounds so salems lot
it feels like home
i guess i ha
thats all folks
i dont see my money rising
the masses
i dont see my money rising
i didnt like YOUR tripe anyway
wheres my fuckin money ?
they tend to be quite resilient
i should know
im just a mutant
i feel a lot better at home down here
things are
simpler
what foot ?
let me know when you have something serious to say
to me
not them
i wouldnt call them my friends
but i trust them with my back
1000 times before i let you have a look at it
Can someone please make @justinsunsteemit aware that Steem does have abuse issues? Unless some big accounts help out by flagging and/or delegating to those who do then it is likely to get much worse if we have an influx of new users. A few whales could cancel out all the paid votes and make for more organic rewards distribution. Efforts like @steemcleaners and @steemflagrewards can only do so much. We have a load of volunteers in vigilante roles for little in the way of rewards. I expect most users do not use their free downvotes for whatever reasons.
Let's make Steem great!
I agree
@steevc bro, we all know that does not work, actually the worse idea we ever had in this ecosystem was to make a police in a decentralized place.
Sorry: the worse idea was to store the shitposts in the blockchain.
I rather shutup, i am just waiting for price to sell.
Was nice thou the 1 year the dream of a good place lasted
The dream is still alive for some of us. I don't see much in the way of alternatives that offer what Steem has with the same potential. It's a shame you didn't cash out when your Steem could be worth $100k. I didn't then and won't now. Just buying a little more in fact.
Have fun.
i didn't i kept thinking i was doing a good thing using my SP as a means to pay the efforts of the project members i dont regret not cashing out i regret my reasons for not cashing out.
Funnily enough, my project was called "dreamer"... but i was constantly called scammer
There's lots of opinions on what is considered legitimate on Steem, but I am generally against buying votes for profit. I can find plenty of examples. I downvote them, but I also support lots of people who I think add value. I'm doing this for fun rather than short-term profit. If Steem takes off then I'll do okay.
So? The skepticism your project was meet with when people were calling you scammer was not warranted, is that what you want us to believe? Even if it wasn't warranted, so what? The reason your project never took of is..
YOU, not anyone else, ever.
i have no shame but
despite the fact that i wasnt born in Poland
this is not America
this is global
you have to let everyone in
i am kiplings cat in a schroedingers nest
i am not you
i am not them
i wonder what im doing here
free speech ?
not sure
steinford is probably an old man too
i never been that much a fan until i hurd it was forbidden
maybe im the snake
i just wanna fuck eve
dafuk you know about my clan ?
i talk to them , im a muslim terrorist
i talk to them im a fukin na zi
dafuk you know ?
i gtg really
you got response
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wow
every fibre of my being despises you for what you try
not just for what you try to use me for
thats okay ill just keep voting and stuff
after all
we are very excited because everything's great
they didnt like you anyway mate
you're not black, not gay
not even some kind of whatever
Trump likes you
wether i do remains to be seen
BUT
i wont censor you
yea i should
its gonna get like
if i dont
how is that ?
think you got issues ?
put an irishman in london and pretend this is america
i already explained what i would have done if i were justin sun and
fairy tales for the believers
i dont see my lambo crawling out of your ass,
dearie
and that's that
you're gonna have to do better or
like most of my ex-employers used to say
"you can do just a little better"
"i KNOW" i can SEE your potential
all you have to do is put your back into it
just a little more and
TOMORROW
we will
bla
...
wheres my fuckin' money ?
americanos ? you thought the muslims were bad (i didnt say that)
just go around taking peoples money on a fake promise giving nothing back ?
george bush or homer simpson ?
i only know two of you
you're not selling it out of your ass?
are you now ?
hmm ...
i wasn't
hm
no i wasnt i was really
i want justin sun to make me money
you werent makeing me money no one is making me money but everyone keeps saying they will now in comes a billionnaire
and the first thing you do
is make sure the only ones getting money is you
altruists as we all are
i can't get with that as if my name were n'umber Jaz-z
i CANT
if you want only people with money dont post get money on the frontpage
i want justin sun
to make me some money on this gods-forsaken place where 10 americans make money and
i forgot the rest
he can't hack it ?
he's a pushover who sits back while his millions get nulled out ?
i understand why you invited him
you people
dont understand why the world doesnt like you then ?
i gtg
i m sure i understand quite how 'we' look heh
dont take me for them
or them for me
but take you for you
i am nothing but the cat
alyst
kiplings or schrodingers
EVERYBODY ALWAYS WANTS ME TO ACKNOWLEDGE THEM
and who the fuck gives me a nest to
the ones ?
i have issues ? it probably shows
i gtg
no i wont im never embararssed after that time
SO
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lol
nice
i really have to go to bed
or i'll get in trouble
i do
that was then
ive been sleeping for a long time
this is now
i have no idea what happened in the mean time
but some people keep poking me as if i would
should try to have fun with it
its not gonna make you money but pennies if you're not part of the in-crowd
if pennies is fine
then give it a go
otherwise if you got that kind of talent
this place is a wasteland
the closest thing i can think of is what mass media would describe like russian oligarchy
only not with the oil and stuff
he was only 13 and just interested in accessing and breaking ..., see ?
its like the best resumé you will ever have but they wont leave you with a choice
if you get caught
this place on the other hand ?
its a dream for marketeers
someone told me ned scott originates from the NSA and considering the control-freakery i can get that but the other one ?
i dont like salesforce
i gave up on this place 2 years ago
after HF21 double so
i wonder what they're planning tho
justin sun and all that
gtg
nice job sir
My question would be concerning how that doesn't make Steem Tron one blockchain via the Cross-Chain Atomic Swaps.
I guess the answer to that question might be personified in train track switches that allow for trains to go from line of track to another set of tracks. I'm going to try to remain open minded. But at the same time, I'm partly concerned and also curious concerning how Tron and Steem can connect and yet remain separate at the same time. I will try to keep my mind open to understanding some of these things. I should probably write some articles exploring some of these things in the future.
So it is a good time to get rid of STEEM?
Or we need to wait for BTC to go parabolic again ?
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Im new here but ithink the basics are clear enough. We still don't know exactly whats gonna happen, and until we have a solid idea, we need to maintain face.
There are several scenarios that might occur, and i think the absolute worst case is a complete overhaul of the Steem blockchain. Thats gonna be messy and expensive.
I think at the end of the day, those of us who love Steemit wanna keep using it like we do without danger of significant disruption.
So, the question those top 50 witnesses need to ask Justin is, how the hell can we meet whatever vision you have for Steemit while still preserving what the people love about it?
Compromise is the name of the game here.
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Atomic swap will be good but addresses only one issue. There were many issues that were raised and for those reasons SF happened. Most of those questions are not answered yet.
So pls take those questions one by one and answer in detail
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The moment that ned sold off the Steemit stake (what @aggroed [noted as the Neo Green stake), Steemit became a centralized platform.
ned promised to use that stake to protect the community premise of decentralization. that promise was desintegrated in the moment of sale.
and steemit will remain a centralized platform until that stake no longer exists
steemit? You mean steem, but steem is not Centralized, as consensus is Law and has demonstrated recently (duh, code is law? Kinda like pie is pie, or law is law, or code is code, yet what consensus says is pie, is a god damn fucking pie if there ever was pie)
steemit? You mean steem, but steem is not Centralized, as consensus is Law and has demonstrated recently (duh, code is law? Kinda like pie is pie, or law is law, or code is code, yet what consensus says is pie, is a god damn fucking pie if there ever was pie)
in this situation, a shit pie ;>
events have overtaken this discussion, and steemit, the steemchain (and following from there) steem itself is now a centralized concept
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This post aged well.
This seems to be a kind of political battle mixed with M&A. If so, I do not deny that may happen. But you should be more serious about keeping sustainable ecosystem not trying to get short-term benefit.