Free speech on money

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I was talking to a friend at work today about putting an offer in on a house and then about other finance related topics and realized how natural it was to talk about money, the good and the bad. I found this interesting considering that once upon a time, I was not the type of person that would talk about money, and definitely not when concerning a lack of it. What I believe is that my time on stem with an open wallet and so much financial talk has made me more transparent in many ways as I see more benefit in the openness than the hiding.

Don't get me wrong here, I still find a lot of money talk quite abhorrent, especially bragging about how much one has or constantly mentioning the price of things without being prompted, but that is not what I am talking about. Like most things, intention and approach matters and when one is authentic and open, generally any topic is acceptable to talk about, even the ones that make people uncomfortable or are surrounded by strong feelings. Money fits into both of these categories as it is something that pretty much everyone has an opinion on and a relationship with, like it or not.

Of course, I do not have such open conversations with everyone, but I have found that over the last few years I have expanded the diameter of the circle with whom I would speak, and increased the depth I am willing to go. What I have also noticed is that while it heavily influences my life, as it does most of us, I am more disconnected from it, even though it likely takes up more of my thought than it did earlier.

The reason it takes more thought is wholly due to Steem, as over the last three years, I have become somewhat of an investor in not only the financial sense, but also the social experience. This means considering the impacts and opportunities of various value streams and how they flow through and affect the community.

The disconnection however is that I now have the sense that money doesn't happen to me, it is something I have some control over and can affect. After spending time working and writing here, I have more agency in my relationship with money and that has led me to change my behavior to come more in line with my thinking, that is, money is a tool.

It is easy to say that "money doesn't make you happy", but as I have said since a child, it sure makes being sad better. But, that was also the position of a poor kid without much economic availability or supported opportunity. The position of a scarcity mindset that I still struggle with in many ways and why earlier in life I was far less risk taking, but still had the "have a sunny day today" attitude, instead of saving for the rainy days. That position will lead to reliance on others eventually.

But, now that my mind on my money and my money on mind is treated as the relationship between tool and operator, I find that I can talk about it from a usage perspective with much more comfort, even if I do not talk about the outcomes of it. For example, today I was talking about the potential house we are looking at, the loan challenges, the risks and issues if we are unable to manage and our plans if it does all fall in a heap. When I was asked for clarification, I answered truthfully and gave information that would normally be omitted.

What I have found in this approach is that there is a high degree of reciprocity forthcoming due to my own openness and, there is also the feeling of relief from participants. Culturally, talking about money is frowned upon at the best of times, but due to the universal nature of its influence,near everyone struggles at some stage, if not, most stages. Once they have a chance to discuss and speak openly themselves, it is like years of repression get lifted and a light gets shone onto their financial darkness.

I think that there is a great deal of value in this process and feel that those with which I have had the deeper conversations with, feel the benefits too. Many of these people aren't struggling in the same way my wife and I are and some are doing very well indeed, but the lack of discourse surrounding personal finance means that whatever they think and feel, gets bottled up. Once the cork comes out, they have the chance to voice and then reflect on their positions and in so doing, come to terms with pains and even be grateful for what they have.

As social animals, we are likely hardwired for conversation with one side allowing us to collaborate to build, and the other likely supportive of our own mental health, with discussion having a cleansing and healing effect. These relationships we form, whether long-term or brief and transitory, can be very important for our own self-development and likely why we crave interaction. It is probably why bartenders and hairdressers hear so many sob stories, as people feel they can talk some things to a stranger, they would never say to those who are close.

But, why not? It is interesting as when it comes to what will likely hold the most value, it will be the discussion with those who know us, understand something about us and perhaps even care about us in some way - the people who aren't strangers. Yet, we might hide ourselves the most from those people, those same people who are invested in our outcomes too.

Again, while do not only talk about money with these people and I do not go into details with everyone, I have found that there is value in the lack of transparency and cultural restriction. Personally, I have learned a lot from people who would normally not speak of these things at all, and perhaps they have learned a thing or two from me also. This is a relationship of win-wins.

I do think that part of the cultural aversion to talking about personal finance is driven by a hijacking of the conversation by creating mistrust and a fear of cost for speaking openly. As said, social animals who talk together to collaborate and build are dangerous for just that reason. When we look at the value of data these days and how few hands actually control it, we can see how important it is for the transfer of information and the surest way to control a group, is to compartmentalize them and make it culturally punishable to speak freely.

Divide and conquer, rather than encourage cooperation and growth. I think that in time, Steem, blockchain and cryptocurrencies are going to raise plenty of discussions and realign not only the way we manage our values, but talk about them with others.

How about you, has the way you talk about money with others changed in any way? Should it?

Taraz
[ a Steem original ]

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How did the lottery ticket go btw, are you buying millions steem or no, if yes can I get free delegation plz sir, do the needful

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You can get a cheap delegation.

I bought 5 weeks of games. 3 weeks left - there is still hope, kinda like Steem ;D

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cheap delegation

How dare you sir, do you know who I am?!

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I wonder how long it would take for KC to send a memo beg.

I could hire 10 curators with 1m SP delegations each tasked with curating value adding content, and they could keep all the CR as long as they used the DVs on abusive behavior :D

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Longer time than it takes him to create s post unfortunately.

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Longer time than it
Takes him to create s post
Unfortunately.

                 - acidyo


I'm a bot. I detect haiku.

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but, he has so many alts to post on, it is hard work.
another one? https://steemit.com/@bigdaddy

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highly likely, add to it @sock

Gonna be fun when he wants to curate friends in the future but no one is going to trust it's not an alt, if he'll ever have any stake of his own to begin with

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I think he has earned about 400k all up on his main, not to mention the extraction through the alts. he holds 16k and most of his curation has been on himself... and still link drops for votes. Perhaps he has a gambling, blow or hooker problem :D

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Probably a majority of the seven deadly sins. It's interesting though how some people think that just cause they've been here since the beginning and consistently posting and begging for votes is going to allow them to accumulate value forever. I mean sure if the content is of quality and does something for Steem's traffic we could talk about it but even so I don't see authors constantly earn with no skin in the game forever.

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Is there a line up or is it a take a ticket scenario?

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I will be giving away 10x 1million SP delegations within a few weeks
if I win the lottery

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Nice! Can I have 8 of them in my alts?

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Nice, I'll be sure to be grateful.

If you win the lottery

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Thanks for sharing Taraz. I like how you write. I talk much more freely about money now, now that i know (or at least have a very strong conviction) that i, this body, is more like player in the game of life, a dream character in the dream of one true self, and that the money is therefore like monopoly money. I still play the game, but am not so attached to it, and am happy to waive the rent sometimes if someone lands on my hotel and cant afford to pay.

On Steem, like on the monopoly board, the other players can see how much i have. I have no issue with that.

@acidyo Perhaps i can help a little. How would you use the delegation?

Peace be with you
Atma

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The lack of attachment helps a lot in dealing with life.

I am pretty sure that @acidyo would do what he has been doing for almost 4 years on Steem with it, curating :)

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I tend to have conversations around money only with those who are open to contemplating new ideas and thoughts; No point talking about it with someone who doesn't listen and values material things more than their own future. I talk a lot with the homies in my office, those that stack metals because I got them onto it. we chat about new concepts, how to make it work better and what attitudes are required to save it, and invest it. It's good healthy dialogue I think. If we talk about spending it that talk revolves around metals.

Having said that, I think there's a lot of value in parents building financial understanding, respect for money and a reward for effort ethos in their children through dialogues around money - Age appropriate ones of course. I wrote a blog a while ago about having these discussions and what they may sound like.

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Yeah, there are of course people who I don't directly talk to, but sometimes around the coffee table there will be people listening and who will openly join in. It is interesting to be a part of.

Talking/ demonstrating with children is really important and something that is surprisingly difficult i think as it isn't really intuitive. At least for me. Even now we try to introduce the concepts of earning and cost of things at a very low level.

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Even now we try to introduce the concepts of earning and cost of things at a very low level...

And then uncle G comes along and spoils all your good work by giving her everything.

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Itu sangat hebat sekali, pak. Saya sangat suka dengan ide ini, sebelum nya saya minta maaf karena saya memberikan komentar untuk bapak dalam bahasa Indonesia, jujur saya tidak pandai bahasa inggris... Salam dari Aceh Indonesia, untuk anda di sana,,

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I talk about Money to my Mother and Wife and that's about it. Maybe that is a bad thing, maybe not.

It's still uncomfortable for me to talk to friends about Money. I do not think that will ever change.

As far as Money making one happier ?? It does in that it can be a tool to use to pursue those things you are most passionate about !

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It's still uncomfortable for me to talk to friends about Money. I do not think that will ever change.

I thought the same, yet here I am :D

As far as Money making one happier ?? It does in that it can be a tool to use to pursue those things you are most passionate about !

Yes. people talk like when money doesn't make you happy, it is the only condition needed. This position doesn't factor in the complexity of being human.

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I still generally hate the open wallet thing XD (obviously not nearly enough to stop steeming XP) Though having said that I think it's because your "wallet" (whether it's an ancient piece of leather barely holding on to existence and the stuff you put in it or a Trezor or a thing "in the cloud") is kind of right on top of you and I don't like being forced to tell people things I don't think they need to know or that I just don't feel like sharing. I think stuff like how much you get paid should be stuff you talk about freely and easily just so you know if you or someone else is getting massively over or underpaid.

I'm not sure about broader culture, I know in our parents' era you definitely didn't talk about how much money you were or weren't making, you just apparently gossiped about how much other people looked like they had or where they might have gotten it from if their spending didn't appear to relate to their income? o_O (well more gossiping was done over people living beyond their means, less was said if someone appeared to be in a job that made a lot but generally lived humbly).

I'm in a generally lower socioeconomic area and pretty much everyone understands when you are talking about life and then you say you do or don't [whatever] "because money" and that's all you have to say because everyone gets it (including the people in higher income brackets who live/stayed in the area). Nobody talks about how much they specifically make though, we have teh interwebz, so if someone says they're [this occupation] you can usually guess or look it up if you really want to ;D I don't know if that's a kind of localised thing or if it's a reflection of broader society because I generally choose to avoid talking to people if I can.

On the sob stories thing, I think it might be slightly situational as well, as bar tenders deal regularly with people who eventually get inebriated and inhibitions etc go and hairdressers keep asking questions especially if you're a regular XD

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Took me til now to get to this massive wall of text ;D

I think stuff like how much you get paid should be stuff you talk about freely and easily just so you know if you or someone else is getting massively over or underpaid.

Maybe it is because the wallet is open, the discussion can get deeper than this and maybe explore why there are differences. If you think about it, a couple likely know around about what each earns (even without a shared bank - very common here that even married couples have individual accounts) and then they discuss other topics - generally a lack of money around my house at the moment. But, if we look at it socially, perhaps it would lead to getting below the surface more.

Culturally (perhaps always) there is the impression of what we might be earning. Super strange thing in Finland is that you can search a number plate, find the owner and know whether they own the car or have it on finance. People do it to their neighbours whenever they buy a new car.....

hairdressers keep asking questions especially if you're a regular

They do, but they generally don't have to ask. It is is like a confessional :D

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I believe vulnerability leads us to empowerment. I really enjoyed this post.

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Now that is some Ghandi-like understanding babe. You took a 1,201 word post, and then you summed it up in all of twelve words with a total of two periods. Condensed to 1% of it's size, yet is very applicable to the subject matter. Well done. :) I love you.

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There are times that it allows us to reflect and grow based on recognizing our own shortcomings and insecurities. That can make us stronger in other ways for sure.

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This post went DEEP and really showcased how intelligent that you are and the knowledge-base that you have acquired from experience with finance. A lot of respect to you on the way you put this piece together. Illuminating and resonant.

STEEM ON!

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Thanks and welcome back anytime. I came across your article the other day through my bro, @galenkp :)

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Oh, right on... ya... I have an ongoing bromance with your bro... hahaha. Which article was it that you read? btw...

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The Fruits. I will give you a follow too and drop by from time to time. =)

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Thank you much. :) I'll do the same (well I'm already following you, but I'll make sure to drop in) :D

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When we look at the value of data these days and how few hands actually control it, we can see how important it is for the transfer of information and the surest way to control a group, is to compartmentalize them and make it culturally punishable to speak freely.

Okay, this is getting tiresome. Again I read most of the way through your post, formulate a response, and then find you've included it, yourself.


I had a little think early on, about doxxing myself by using my real name, with our wallets and transactions open like this. Then I remembered I'm an anarchist; and the state, which already knows all that about me (and more) is easily the biggest threat to my life and liberty.

Thinking too, about money; I never cared for fiat, but I'm finding myself more interested in it, now that it can buy crypto. There's a happy little irony.

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THere is no hiding from the state as there is no hiding from the data funnels they have access to through the data collector corps. May as well go out with a bang, or perhaps with a little luck, change the world.

Thinking too, about money; I never cared for fiat, but I'm finding myself more interested in it, now that it can buy crypto. There's a happy little irony.

This is something I have found really interesting as it has happened to me too. Sure, I have always needed money for living and buying, but it is kind of funny that I am looking to make money - to buy some other kind of money :D

I will try to leave more gaps next time.

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