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Hello everyone. Today i will be mostly speaking my mind. I will not be talking about Justin Sun, witness votes, issuing SPI tokens are sharing a new idea/scheme to help us grow. Today's post is aimed directly at SPinvest club members. If you do not like swear/curse words, this is not the post for you, you need to come back another day when i am my normal self. This a nasty post were i say what i really want to say. That does not mean i mean everything in the post, it's what i wrote at the time.
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So what has been happening with SPinvest the past few months in terms of the "club"? Damn all, that's what. Do we want an investment club? are do we like the idea of an investment club? because they are not the same thing. 1 could be real and the other is a dream are a hope. 3 days ago i put a post out to test the waters and see if other club members are interested in introducing club moderators. Thank you @shanibeer for being the only person to drop a comment on the post but it looks like nobody else is interested so fuck that idea, im not wasting my time trying to help you guys when you should be doing this sort of shit on your own. I mean, we have a lot of smart members, nobody can think to write a 100-word post asking for feedback about doing anything SPinvest related are god forbid, someone using their own initiative to just go ahead and start something and actually exercise their rights to being part of a decentralized club. I mean come on!! My thinking is if nobody can even take the time to send a fucking thumbs up emoji to verify their onboard, then who is gonna wonna be a moderator? And FYI the post was released before all this shit with witnesses happened so that excuss will not float. While im at it, being busy is not an excuse either, that's a bullshit story and poor excuse every time. We are all busy, im busy, your busy, the whole world is busy, not an excuse. Manage your time better.
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Let me tell ya when Justin Sun first bought Steemit a few weeks back i pulled the buyback wall from steem engine and a few people were pissed off about it. I suggested that if there were moderators in place, the moderators could have talked about it and did a quick vote among themselves and we might have not pulled the buyback wall. My suggestion went unanswered so whether that person seen it are not, i don't know.
Last Friday, i returned after a week off from posting and wrote a huge post about changes that were going to happen and explained everything as best as i could. One of those things was to add moderators to the SPinvest club.
On Monday, i released the SPinvest moderator idea post and included how we would select our moderators over 4 weeks and what moderators would be expected to do. I could not have made the duties any more piss easy. What a complete waste of time.
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Ok, right, so i might be sounding crazy right now. Let me let you into my head. This is how i vision the SPinvest club right now in my head. We have 31 club members. The picture i see is 29 people sitting in a room fucking about with their phones, looking out the window, drawing on the desk, basically just not focused at all. Im standing at the front like a dick trying my best and failing to motivate people. @jk6276 and @underground are sitting in the corner on their laptops earning us curation rewards and spreading the good word. It's a sad picture, to be honest.
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A club is not supposed to be like this. A club is something where everybody works together with a common goal. People in a proper club wonna do stuff to help, what's the point of becoming a confirmed member if you plan to do nothing? What value do you add to the club? None!! That might be harsh, in fact, it is harsh but logically it's correct so take how you like it. I cant make Spinvest decentralized, its the only thing i cant do, that's up to everyone else. Im trying to push it and nobody is interested so you either what it are you don't.
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@conradsuperd - If you are alive, please DM me. I need to know what the score is.
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Spinvest is around 9 months old, has over 250 token holders and holds $17,500 worth of STEEM and other investments. Has nobody ever thought about putting something in place to make it harder for me to blackball you guys and steal all the money? You know how easy it would be for me to copy/paste some opensource code onto my server and edit it so that all the SPinvest accounts start 100% power-downs with all payments directed to my personal account. I could go offline for 13 weeks and fill my time in by selling the off-platform investments and cashing them out to the bank. After 13 weeks had passed from i fucked everyone over, i would return to cash out all the STEEM to an exchange and then that's it. See ya! The answer is pretty easy. About 90 minutes of work and stop using Steemit. Some people would no me from my writing style as you can see exampled perfectly in this post so a new account would be a no go.
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Of course, this will never happen based on the simple fact that STEEM is not worth scamming. If i was gonna do some dirty shit, I'd have my sights set higher than a few thousand dollars of STEEM. Point is, a proper club would already have something in place to stop me from this happening.
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This is a rant but it's honest as well. This is how im seeing things. I came from a silver/gold stacking community called #steemsilvergold that is a true decentralized community/club. 80% of its members will have done something towards building it whether that be hosting a simple contest, arranging group buys for members, holding the membership list, being part of community crowd fundraising are even releasing the STEEM silver round for the past 3 years and loads more stuff im leaving out. All of these ideas came from different members that took a minute and pondered to themselves, how can i add value? and then they did it. You don't use a sub-account from SPinvest, just do it from your own account. When i stepped down as an SSG mod, so many people wanted my spot, they had to vote on it. I just don't think this would happen within SPinvest.
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Maybe i am spoilt over at SSG and im just being a cry baby that's just shat it's nappy but it's nowhere near the same, in fact, its completely different in terms of structure. Everybody wants something but they don't wonna put the work in, they just want the results. There is no drive here from club members. I can keep posting idea's till my hair turns grey but if nobody really cares that much, what's the point other than post payouts which are away to shit cause of steemauto. We all trying to make some money here and as a proper club we can earn more, but whatever, most people don't seem to understand that. We have about 8-10 real club members, 2 running accounts, not sure what's been happening with Conrad and the other 4-6 showing general support, giving feedback and releasing related posts from time to time. The rest are just token holders that mostly only chirp in when they disagree with something.
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If it was up to me which it is but im lazy, i would relaunch the whole thing and either make it a fund were i 100% manage and have a percentage of earnings removed to pay myself and others like JK, Underground and Conrad. If you don't like it sell your tokens on the SE exchange, SPinvest will buy them back all day long when the price drops to 0.50 STEEM after weeks of token holders dropping their asking prices because nobody is buying. This would much easier to run as I'd have no feelings to please investors. My only requirements would be to increase earnings, holding and SPI token value but i like the idea of a club.
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I just thought that adding moderators was sorta important for the club. Based on the feedback, it's not. If you guys wonna have club moderators, vote them in yourself. I bet my bottom fucking dollar people will be much more interested and want to have input with the new SPI token distribution plan.
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30 minutes have passed between this text and the text above spiderman. I am a little more chilled now. I used to write big long emails to my boss telling him what i wanted to tell him. 99% of the time i would delete them but always noticed i was more chilled after. I have written posts like this about SPinvest before about different things and then decided to delete them after i felt better but this time im thinking, this is the 1% post.
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Don't be discouraged are feel that i will change anything, the plan will always remain the same. We all have moments of weakness.
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If you take 1 thing away, please let it be

I, @silverstackeruk can not make SPinvest decentralized. It is not in my power. This is 100% dependent on club members

and for the first time ever, no feedback required but im sure I'll get some.



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The problem is, it's not that easy to even make sth. like that really decentralized. There is always one person who can access the assets, as we do not have the means to do something like this only with the consent of x% of the members. Maybe I'm wrong, but with normal steem accounts, this is difficult. The more people have access to the assets, the higher the probability that someone will use them and run away with it.

I don't know if it's possible to do something like this through the communities, that only through common decisions the assets can be touched, someone with more understanding of the technology would have to say something if it's possible or not.

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Agree with you about problems of attempting to be decentralized won't ever be the case. We can be semi decentralized to some extent but that would involve a lot of members taking up more active roles.
It all depends on how much people want to take on if there isn't a big rush maybe drop the decentralized dream and just rely on trust which is essentially what it is run on currently and just focus on expanding spi and growing it as much as possible

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Ok I will put my name in the hat for the moderator by default as noone else is lol.

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I can imagine you sitting there pounding away at the keyboard typing this out with steam coming out your ears. lol.

Anyway, I understand the sentiment 100%.

Idea's for how people could get involved:

  • Commit to writing 1 post per week about something related to Spinvest - Could be anything - use your imagination. Doesn't even have to be posted from a Spinvest account (although it can) you could post from personal account with Spinvest as beneficiary.
  • Community moderator.
  • Discord moderator.
  • Play Splinterlands/Holybread or other games with a Spinvest related account.
  • Build a Spinvest City on SteemCity.
  • Set up another curation account - (@underground and I can give you some advice)
  • Keep an eye on @spinvest-leo or @spinvest-neo votes in your personal favourite tribe. Suggest new people to add to autovote, recomend also if we should drop autovotes for spammy posts.
  • Run contests with SPI rewards (shout-out to @qam2112 - He gets amongst it in this area)
  • Monitor our off chain investments and do a weekly report on them - seems to be silver/gold stackers amongst us given Mr Spinny's conections -I'd love one of you to make a weekly report on Silver/gold markets, news and info for stackers/investors in that area to publish from Spinvest-leo account.

Anyone got more idea's?

Drop a Comment - even if you can't do it yourself, maybe someone else can. I'll add other ideas to my list and maybe make a seperate post for members to consider.

I hope you feel better Spinny, I'll need to have a chat with you soonish about fine tuning a few things for Spinvest-leo - and that fleet of Pythons you are sending me to deliver everyones SPI's from LEO delegation.

Chin up mate - growing pains for the club. Like you say, it either becomes a real club or it becomes a passive investment for most and a share of profits for a few active participants.

JK.

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Thank you JK.
Excellent ideas surely a few are well worth exploring.

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Interesting to see what it shakes out or if any other ideas come about.

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Ooooh, I would love to pick ONE off chain asset and be "in charge" of writing about it once per week. Great suggestions.

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Yes - what would you like? Hit me up in discord if you are there and well work it out. Gotta go to work now but I'll sort that out - sounds great.

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Got my phone back, will be contacting you on discord today :)

Where do I find you?

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@metzli, Or if you aren't in there, my discord is jk6276#1893. Working on this weeks payouts now, then I have to go to work so may not get back to you till tomorrow.

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I hear you @silverstacker I'm here, I think we are just shell shocked with Justin Sun. As I type this there is another live Town Hall live chat going on....
I could stress myself out bad over all this, and I think you do too...
We all appreciate everything you do!!!
I have always read that you don't need to know everything, just surround yourself with smart people....This is where you come in my friend.
Keep plugging away we will grow!!!!

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Chirp Chirp

If we keep participating by buying tokens, delegating, and letting you know when the ship seems to be going crooked, is that not engagement in the club?

If we comment on the posts, set auto votes (when they work) for projects that are started and set the club as a beneficiary (even if we mess up and add the wrong account as a beneficiary) isn't that participation?

Even HODLing coins is passive participation.

I also have a bitchin post ready to go on why we shouldn't add a curation trail to our account. I'll make sure to decorate it with little birds when I get around to publishing it.

It is on hold cause I think many of us are just hanging on right now and following the drama and trying to hold on to as much STEEM and SP as possible.

I do have my $$ ready to buy a mega-token, or whatever we are calling it, but again, I am waiting and seeing, cause it seems like the right thing to do right now.

Also, didn't the dpoll and the lottery get a bunch of responses?

That, my dear, is participation. If you want more leaders, then build more roles, and not bullshit "moderator" roles that don't have specific tasks or time commitment proposals.

I hope you don't edit this like Sun edited his bitchy post, I rather enjoyed reading a raw post that wasn't about the "hostile takeover"

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Chin UP, Old Boy, I think others are willing to do some things... I think that maybe WE (yes I mean ME and the rest of us) maybe over-emphasize the Passive Aspect of these potential earnings. But I want everyone to listen up, the PASSIVE ASPECT (as I look at it) means we can post LESS steem posts (or Zero) if we move out funds to the proper places. Now I do not mean that I, (Undy) can post less, but that I can manage an account and post about earnings. There is work involved. But I do believe that others can just simply delegate and watch the tokens accrue. What our task is can now be defined as a few things: Keep the ideas Flowing, and be willing to implement these ideas yourself. Now if anyone has a great idea relating to my projects, go ahead and suggest it. But the nature of decentralization is that we should vote on it. Get a wide acceptance and then implement.

I totally agree that @silverstackerUK's approach is a good one, but we need more Active Participants. More ideas and more people providing opportunities.

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