Could SPI token traders kill SPinvest's growth?

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Hello everyone, today i am going to be talking about something that is a little bit of a touchy subject and people will normally have strong feelings one way are the other. First off, SPinvest is unkillable but its growth can slow down to a snails speed if one of its main facuets of growth is cut. This is something that will become a problem more and more over time and will have a negative effect on SPinvest's growth in terms of issuing new tokens.

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As more people hold SPI tokens and become aware of the fact that there is a huge margin on the SE exchange to take advantage of, we are lossing out on growth. It's a loophole i foresaw and i originally wanted SPI tokens to be something like SBI shares with no SE token but i felt the SE token makes it more real in terms of ownership. Anyways, to get to the point, people are able to set buy orders and buy SPI tokens for less than 1 STEEM. After they buy them, they can uncut SPinvest selling price of 1 STEEM and make a profit. Good for them and bad for SPinvest which means bad for everyone that holds SPI tokens. SPI token doesn't lose any in terms of STEEM value but SPinvest misses out on the opportunity of growth. Until now it has not been a problem with most people uncutting SPinvest's sale price to date being investors cashing out but as everything grows, it attracts more people, more people see the huge margin and decide to take advantage.


It's a Free Market

It is a 100% free market, there is no question and people are free to do as they feel but people often forget that Mr SP Invest is free to do as he feels as well to a certain degree and sometime's his actions counteract others actions. People that feel discriminated against often forget the free market works both ways.
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Without talking too much, it's maybe easier to just show some numbers of how traders uncutting SPinvests token sale price hurts the total SPinvest fund growth. I think it would be easy to trade 1000 SPI's per week, 500 on buy and 500 on sell. The profit is good, i have to admit and it's easy to see why people will take advantage of this and it will become a larger problem but i have only witnessed club members doing it so far which i think is a dirty move ethically because 1 single trader can make a profit at the cost of every other token holder while drastically slowing down SPinvest's growth. It's not confirmed member behaviour and is bad adequate. Members are encouraged to HODL, SPI tokens is not set up to trade while in ICO stage. We are all about growth right now.

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This is such a bad advertised for what im trying to stop

It is easy to see the dramatic effect 1 single trader can have on SPinvest in terms of total fund growth. Using the example of 1 trader doing 1000 SPI token (buy 500/ sell 500) in volume per week, we can see they would make a profit of 15 STEEM and SPinvest would lose on 255 SP's worth of newly issued tokens. Over the course of a year, this would amount to the trader earning 750 STEEM and SPinvest lossing out on the growth of 12750 new issued tokens being out there.

You might be thinking, 15 STEEM per week is good but as with everything when 1 person starts, others will join and margins will get squeezed until traders are fighting over thousandths of a STEEM profit all while the loss to SPinvest remains the same. In the number above, it shows the profit of 0.03 STEEM is made for each trade the trader pulls off. If we assume some free-market competition takes place as others find the loophole, both buying and selling price's become closer as margins are squeezed and we could end up with prices like this.

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The trader's profit goes down to almost nothing as more people undercut each other but SPinvest's loss to growth remains the same. Do we wonna be in a place where some traders are profiting 52 STEEM per year while SPinvest is lossing out on issuing 26000 new tokens, inc potential profit plus gaining 520 STEEM's worth of growth for 1 persons gain? This does not sound like the ideal place to be.

If this is confusing, I'll show you a screenshot of the SPI token market on Steem-engine. I have circled trades to show which trades are doing what to the growth of SPinvest.
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- Green

This is SPinvest issuing brand new shiny tokens into existence and growing the fund to earn more for each investor. Each time SPinvest issue's a share, we are 1 closer to the 1 million issued target and steem-engine is a big part of issuing new tokens having overtaken direct sales recently. This trade circled in green is SPinvest's main source of growth currently. This has a good effect of SPinvest fund growth
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- Blue

This is people that have in buy orders looking to buy SPI tokens for less than 1 STEEM. This is not a problem, all these trades are recycled tokens. All these trades are complete when a current investor sells some are all of there SPI tokens for the price offered. This has no effect on SPinvest fund growth
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These trades are recycled tokens but ideally, they should be newly issued tokens. These are either a current token holder looking to cash out are a trader locking in the profit. Investors cashing out 500 SPI tokens every 6 months and undercutting SPinvest sale price to get a quick sale is not the problem as that's a 1-time thing, you can only sell your holdings once. The problem is people have both buy and sell orders in as this is ongoing. For each SPI sold for under exactly 1 STEEM (not 0.99999999999999 STEEM that shows as 1 STEEM), SPinvest miss's the chance to issue 1 new token This has a negative effect on SPinvest fund growth
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Can this be controlled?

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100% yes. We are i can control this. My mission is growth, i don't wonna be still issuing SPI tokens in 15 years from now. If this turns into more of a problem over time and becomes a threat to the growth of SPinvest, i will take action. I would rather not as it's a picking the worse of 2 evils sorta deal. The free market works both ways, individual goals have little to do with it. I except people will take advantage of this, they are free to do so and it's profitable for them. I am free to close that loop at any time and i have exercised this in the past once. My mission is growth and little will get in the way of that, especially individuals looking to profit from SPinvest's structure.

Growth

If you read this blog regularly, you will know that growth is very important and is key to SPinvest becoming fully decentralized. When people think of growth they think of adding new services, new ways for people to invest, more ways for people to earn but it's also about protecting what we already have in place. Steem-engine's exchange is a big part of SPinvest's growth, bigger than any tribe account we have, bigger than expected beneficiary payment growth are any other method we use and it must be protected in ensure growth. What some might call price control because they can no longer profit, i might call fund growth protection.

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I understand that everyone enjoys the free market and what it has to offer but let's face it, the free market sorta kills SPinvest's growth for personal gain. Yes, it's a greedy centralized thought but it's not for personal gain. We don't live in a free-market world, not really when 8-12 holding companies own everything we use and consume. Spinvest is currently set as semi-decentralized and if some action is required to ensure growth is protected than so be it. I respect everyone's freedom to do whatever they like but SPinvest holds around $15,000 worth of other people's money and this is to consider when making choices

Thank you for reading through the post, as i said at the start, its a touchy subject talking about the free market, price control and stuff like that. I thought that i would share it from my point of view and how i see how the free market is a real threat to our clubs growth. Plus, I can use it to refer back to in future battles, baaa-hahaha.


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Below are steemconnect hotlinks that allow investors to buy SPI tokens directly from @spinvest. Each token is currently priced at 1.00 STEEM and beside each link is the true STEEM cost to reduce confusion. You can also send any amount directly to @spinvest and i will issue you SPI tokens to 2 decimal places for the value of STEEM to send. All tokens bought directly will be sent to investors SE wallets within 24 hours but most likely much sooner.
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5 SPI tokens - 5 STEEM
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10 SPI tokens - 10 STEEM
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25 SPI tokens - 25 STEEM
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50 SPI tokens - 50 STEEM
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100 SPI tokens - 100 STEEM
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250 SPI tokens - 250 STEEM
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500 SPI tokens - 500 STEEM
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1000 SPI tokens - 1000 STEEM
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2500 SPI tokens - 2500 STEEM


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in the end if the effort is to hard the people will quit doing it.... so let them have the loophole for now, if they undercut eachother it will cut into the profit and they will stop as its not worth it

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I don't think they will stop, I've seen people uncutting each other for a fraction of a fraction to complete a trade. Some people target micro earnings because it is not worth for most.

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In a way the "blue" people aren't really neutral: the more of these buy orders are, the bigger the chance that someone will sell. Supply and demand - if you demand, someone will supply ;)

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I think that's exactly the opposite.

If there's not (enough) liquidity, I'm not going to put my feet (enough) in. If I know that I have a market of desperate buyers to buy my SPI in a emergency case for a 5% loss (or less) I'll be more likely to step in.

People undercutting the 1STEEM sells for a 'quick' profit are discouraged after a certain point.

Just to name one: there's a 1% withdraw fee (0,25% in Leodex).

If required, let's just put a bit up the buyback wall. That would kill ~90% of the profit chasers.

Another option (much more destructive) could be to target the profit chasers... and downvote them with the @spinvest free downvotes. ''You take away our growth? We'll take away yours''. A bit radical, though... But hey. After all it's business.

if someone is selfish enough to care only about their own benefit, we as a club we can do the same. After all, if it's a 'free market', it's also a 'free blockchain'.

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That is correct @empodert. Thank for you stepping in and answering that one for me.

SPinvest plans to put in a biggish buyback wall at 0.95 STEEM. We might need to rethink that number and get it closer to 0.99 so i'll be needing to chat with a the few members that are providing the liquidity for the wall.

The old me would have took your downvoting idea but im a little more chilled now. Not saying it's not an option, lol.

Thank you for checking out the post and getting that questions for me man

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The downvote idea is a last option resort (and as I said before a bit destructive) as I view it. I also prefer to chill (for now).

Ofc the buyback wall it's the better option atm

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I'm not sure I get the whole thing. I buy at under 1 steem never sold one but I wanna be buying under 1 steem if I can rather than 1 steem. If I can get something cheaper why would I wanna pay more. Ps never sold one

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People like yourself that set buy orders to get them for under 1 STEEM is not the problem. Work away my friend. It's people that uncut the SPinvest sale price.

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Yeah, we can't have pirates undercutting the fund.

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We'll just have to watch and see what happens. No action required right now.

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As a private club it is well within the right of SPI invest to protect its interest. Just as with any other entity made up if private individuals be it a corporation or fund. Thanks!

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Well, I am not a club member because I don't meet all of the requirements, namely no one in the steem blockchain to name as beneficiary for SPI. Which makes no sense in that the Administrator of my estate can easily access my Steemit account and all of my token holdings.

So my role is strictly as an investor with no incentive to simply holding in the abstract . I have no vote in the direction of "the Club" or its future or current investments, so the benefit to me is simply what I can do with the SPI I hold.

I need to see a return on investment and liquidity is key in my decision making role as an investor. For instance, I recently sold some of my SPI to buy another Steem-based token that immediately (the next day) began giving me daily Steem distributions. To date, my only real ROI on SPI has been the recent token split, which was nice but will be infrequent. For me, the role of SPI is to act as a proxy for Steem liquidity, allowing me to PowerUp all Steem earned elsewhere.

If the direction of "Club" members is to retaliate against investors for acting as investors then there is no incentive for investors to invest and the "Club" should restrict SPI buying/selling/holding to only "Club" Members.

To be quite honest, I was prepared to buy more SPI but the comments and suggestions made by "Club" Members on this post has given me considerable pause and requires my re-thinking the role SPI has in my portfolio.

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For SPinvest, club members and investors are the same. I make the same ROI as you even with the hundreds of hours of work i put in. Every token holder makes the same ROI, i make the same ROI on my tokens as you do. SPI token is not for trading. Investing in SPI tokens and trading SPI tokens are different things. This is the point of the post.

When people trade the SPI token, all club members and investors lose out.

As far as your ROI, I'm not sure how long you've been holding SPI tokens but the price has increased 4 times from launch 6 months ago and we've had 1 token split as well. SPinvest has already produced a 25% ROI for investors depending on when they bought in which is higher than any other project on the platform to my knowledge.

Sorry to hear that you do not meet the requirements for a club member. I ask people to provide a steemit user as the beneficiary because if you die, i need to be able to talk with someone that understands how Steemit, power-downs and converting SE tokens into STEEM works. I don't have time to be educating someone's family member on how to cash out SPI tokens. My logic of thinking is someone that understands how steemit works will have a steemit account. My wife has access to my account but that does not mean she knows what to do when she logs in.

Just out of interest, how does the administrator of your estate understand the workings of steemit without having an account?

Thank you for your feedback, if you have any other questions, fire away my friend

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You missed the pertinent points of my post, in particular non-members are a sub-class of SPI holders. No voting rights, etc. You also do not understand what an Administrator of an estate does. As to down-voting, two can play at that game if necessary. However, retaliation is a stupid growth strategy.

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