RE: Classic bait n Switch! 🎄 + Reddit v Hive Engagement Thoughts
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I think the Discord cliques play a role in disabling engagement here.
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I think the Discord cliques play a role in disabling engagement here.
This is true. Discord is the tit of communication that Hive people should eventually be weened.
As for emulating communities that exist outside by placing a doubleganger here... Honestly, depending on the group, it's much easier to convince their 'leaders' to come here, set up shop, and monetize the community they probably spent years developing from scratch. Then they bring the content and consumers with them. Unfortunately it's not as easy as it needs to be to simply drag and drop an entire community, guts and all, into Hive.
The way you put that gave me an idea. We could replicate existing content on a sub to a Hive community using API tools.
This kind of ties in to another idea I was thinking through out loud on a recent drive. Basic premise is a chrome extension that one could use to target any URL and using Hive and Siacoin create a sort of carbon copy of the contents on chain.
The tricky part is designing it to convert any given web page's to its markdown compatible counterpart. Reddit should be easy tho as it is markdown based but other sites are set up w frames and scripts and other shit which could complicate.
I like the idea of using Hive as a web archival tool and content discussion facilitator. (ex YT videos w comments turned off. I know Gab has something for this already. "dissenter")
What I have in mind is kicking their doors down and pulling out hostages. Then they can monetize their community by paying a ransom. But I'm just being funny.
You see, more often than not, people come here expecting money for creating content. The problem is, the platform lacks consumers. Even worse, the platform lacks paying consumers. What's so hard about attracting 1000 folks to stake enough tokens in order to have a vote worth a penny each? Nothing. These consumer types donate all the time online now. Here they can 'donate' in much the same way, except this time they get a 'return on donation' plus if they rage quit, chances are they'll leave with more money than they started with.
You see all that money going into livestreams along with the other methods like tipping and Patreon? Of course you do. Now imagine all that money pumping into Hive or second layer tokens, daily. That's how you support a community.
One single content creator with a large outside following and a brain can easily pull millions of tokens off the market. Ten of them can pull millions more.
It's all in the marketing. How do we market this platform? Everyone says, "Sign up, create content, get paid." As if money grows on trees. Not enough consumers here with voting power, so that's who needs to be coming. Consumer buying power is what takes this platform into the mainstream, with ease.
100% THIS.
The delegation system alone beats the pants off of pa.treon (centralized censorship).
If even half the money that's currently being poured into pa.treon went into HIVE delegations, HIVE value (proportional to market-cap) would skyrocket.
I'm not really a fan of centralizing all that stake into a few hands. Prefer to see hundreds of thousands of people acting thousands of different ways, as they do.
How would you keep it from getting obliterated with downvotes from the vigilantes?
Decline rewards should be enough if the purpose is simply to replicate content and facilitate discussion.
Sure someone could have a problem with that but in the end I think the consensus would be more reasonable. I could be wrong
Yeah, some websites make their primary mission simply AGGREGATING (like fark.com for example, or 9gag.com).
Why not map hive tokens to emojis (on discord via discord bots) before Discord smartens up and goes crypto?
I mean, you could probably fund the thing by having the bot scrape the most emoji'd thing in the discord room and repost it here...
🤔 Emojis sound like a very cool idea! 💡
Thank you for valuing my input!
I agree, I've on many occasions spoken out about each and every new curation or tribe starting out and actively in comments trying to get people onto their discords. I mean, how many discord servers are you going to join? How many empty discord servers do we need? What is the purpose of it? I'm glad ours is pretty dead in the sense that I hope they're spending their time directly on chain instead and engaging even though we have a lot of users there in total.
These days with notifications and easy access to respond, I don't see the need. This isn't the old days of Steemit anymore where one had to constantly refresh. People are also more polite when it comes to off topic messages under posts. I know I won't give anyone shit if they start rambling about their day to me under my posts. My first week on Steemit I was accosted after, "Saying the wrong thing at the wrong time," to put it lightly.
The early days and the shitty methods of communication along with snotty attitudes created demand for Discord. I was here to see engagement slide as Discord picked up. It started to remind me of those folks who join you for drinks but text each other from across the table rather than talking. Got quiet pretty quick. Long before the HF that altered rewards.
And no, I'm not saying people using Discord are assholes. It filled a need that's slowly becoming obsolete so hopefully people can put it down for good, eventually. I think that would help things here at least a little bit.