Coffee and Philosophy Ep. 97

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On this weeks episode, Cope and I expand on some of the issues from last week related to emotional manipulation and suicidal threats. We diverge into a few other topics as well and there might even be a surprise hidden in there somewhere. It was another fun show, let us know if you want to suggest topics or have any questions about the topics covered. Much love.

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A bit of a downer after listening to this show. Normally enjoy it. Pessimism? I have enough of my own.

Thank you in any case. This show is not up to the usual positive ideas shared. Low Energy. Hope you have a better day and find things to make you feel more up-beat.

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feeling upbeat and keeping the volume full and strained at setting 11 will tire you out far more than disarming these so-called low energies by airing them.

Resilience is key. To both the lows and the highs because just staying stuck on one setting wont do anything for you when the fuse blows, the pipe bursts, the steam valve toooooooots and blows its top.

Your life will become stronger when you learn what makes you fragile. Resilience in the face of the lows, not a smile, not a side step.

Arm yourself! (but not with a fixated, disarming grin)

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It's not just "People" who commit suicide in greater numbers than ever before; it is men, young men 12-34 year old teenagers and adult men. It's men who are finding themselves emasculated in an increasingly complex world not of their cognizance. In a place where their traditional role is usurped and they are left utterly struggling trying to recontextualize masculinity in the 21st Century.

In Australia the total of suicides is 75% male to 25% female. Heard a few hypothesis around this. A man will actually kill themselves when they make up their mind too, whereas a woman would seek the attention and alarm of those around them to stop their ideations from eventuating? I don't know but I do know that when I ask my friends from all around the world, how close are you to suicide? Not of your own hand taking your own life, but how much of a problem are you aware of this being? I've had about a dozen suicides in my life, mostly men, and all my older transsexual friends that I made living in Sydney.. Even a decade ago, the crisis loomed closer

Perhaps I didn't see the coming inferno but I certainly felt it then. A couple of these friends were my kindred spirits, of my ilk. Imaginative, expressive and so self-isolated. The nicest ones go first? Only the Good die young?

Anyway.....

The individual anecdotes you both offer here as formative for your opinions on this very difficult issue has not yet addressed (only 27minutes in so far) the sheer evil of our society which is enticing us all the time to:

  1. Kill Yourself, Harm Yourself, End any effectiveness you had prior to the enticement.
  2. Send out the Signals for those Murderers in the Third Person to figuratively drive you to self-annihilation.

There is a very pernicious undercurrent in the society, media, social media, human interactions, marketing, zeitgiest that we find ourselves in now.

I investigated the "Pro-Choice" suicide support community that was blossoming online a year or more ago. One day I'll dump it all, all the logs, the evidence, the woe, the losses, the vaporized aspects of people to ever be happy or want to live again.

THe young confused men online, perfect victims, captive audiences.. predated upon and murdered in the third person.

I shudder at my once intimate link to this; I went into places to meet that perfect victim and the place which groomed the creation of that mindset; ready for priming with thoughts of suicidal ideation.

It's not all bad. I saved a life, or two, deradicalized some...
The similarities between them were astouding. They were all alone, smart, adrift, coming into manhood into a virtual global connected world where masculinity had no purpose. But...

Yeah it's tough, fuck..
Put it this way, suicide is a normal, viable alternative to fighting the hardest struggle one may encounter ever and then realising that victory was worthless.

I'm ranting. This triggered me, but in a good way.

tl;dr

Pedophiles groom the most susceptible and vulnerable individual that is within their realm to reach online.

Suicide Groomers do the same, then they entice you to record it, livesteam your death, for their digital collection of obituaries. The psychosexual perversion, the belial extremities (extreme emotional manipulation), the simulacra and virtual aspects of this most intense grooming and priming of the most susceptible...

as if it was Mind Control or Hypnosis not yet known in enough of a level to define it. Technological Luciferianism is what I call it.

I'm so sorry your exes, significant others and friends exploited you in this coercion and enticement for self harm to occur, sowing the fallow fields from which self death would spread. YUCKYYYYY!!!!!

Feel free to reach out if you have any questions or want information.

xoxo hugsz

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I hope you guys realise how crucially vital what you are doing is. You might not think it but just speaking blurting this shit out with sheer human frailty and honesty is so invaluable.

Absolutely necessary, we need more. This is how it starts. Talk, speak, get that shit out of the festing pit in your soul, drag it out into the disinfecting sun.

The Older generation of men in Australia came up with an absolutely ingenious idea to fight suicide amongst their peers and how it affected them. In doing so they did much like you, also paved a new dialogue or tool for all of us to utilize in any way we can as the struggle continues onwards.

What is a Men’s Shed?

The modern Men’s Shed is an updated version of the shed in the backyard that has long been a part of Australian culture. Men’s Sheds are found in many cities and towns around Australia and continue to spring up internationally.

Not all Men’s Sheds are the same – if you looked inside you might see a number of men making furniture, perhaps restoring bicycles for a local school, making Mynah bird traps, fixing lawn mowers or making a cubby house for Camp Quality to raffle. You might also see a few young men working with the older men obtaining new skills and learning something about life from the men with whom they work. You might see local elders making traditional weapons or designing arts and crafts. You will see tea-bags, coffee cups and a comfortable area where men can sit and talk. You will probably also see an area where men can learn to cook for themselves or how to contact their families by computer.

So what is so special about the ‘Men’s Shed’?

Most men have learned from our culture that they don’t talk about feelings and emotions many do not take an interest in their own health and well-being. Unlike women, most men are reluctant to talk about their emotions and that means that they usually don’t ask for help. Probably because of this, many men are less healthy than women, drink more, take more risks and suffer more from isolation, loneliness and depression. Relationship breakdown, retrenchment or early retirement from a job, loss of children following divorce, physical or mental illness are just some of the problems that men may find difficult to deal with on their own.

Good health is based on many factors including feeling good about yourself, being productive, contributing to your community, connecting with friends and maintaining an active body and mind. Becoming a member of a Men’s Shed provides a safe and busy environment where men can find many of these things in an atmosphere of old-fashioned mateship. And, importantly, there is no pressure. Men can just come and have a yarn and a cuppa if that is all they’re looking for.

Members of Men’s Sheds come from all walks of life – the bond that unites them is that they are men with time on their hands and would like something meaningful to do with that time.
A good Men’s Shed has a Management Committee that has developed a safe and happy environment where men are welcome to work on community projects, specific Men’s Shed projects or a project of their choice in their own time and where the only ‘must’ is to observe safe working practices….all in a spirit of mateship.

The Men’s Shed movement has now become one of the most powerful tools in addressing health and wellbeing and helping men to once again become valued and productive members of our community.

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(Edited)

1hr 14m in:

exactly!

2 fucked up lovebirds with souls burning so bright that they will immolate each other yes, how poetic. Burn each other up to live on in history as a testament to furious love, fiery enamour...

Harley Quinnn & Joker?
Bonnie And Clyde
Romeo and Juliet
Mickey and Mallory (Natural Born Killers)

From this metaphor of undying passion and ardour, love unto death it all went downhill. wayyyy downhill!

So excited to hear you identify the overarching societal conditions which so readily erode our emotional intelligence and souls. !#@$#%

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