DOWNVOTING
Downvoting without stating why? What is this mess? I mean at least one could leave a five word comment giving the reason for downvoting @fyrstikken's post. What a mess. Are we now doing auto-down-voting? Is this part of #newsteem? I don't like votes without comments. I definitely don't like down-votes without comments.
I am one that believes in leading by example. Before you think this is a spam post, you all down-voted so you put yourselves out there, get over it. Additionally; putting this together took me a long time. Longer than it takes for a great deal of people to make their Trending Shit Posts. You will notice this post has not been up-voted by bidbots and probably will get more down-votes than up-votes. Sorry, just need to show people what is absolutely wrong with our community that is STEEM.
Started working on this table of 49 accounts that downvoted this post at: 6:15 pm Eastern Time
| ACCOUNT DOWNVOTING | COMMENT? |
|---|---|
| @theycallmedan: -100% | NO |
| @trafalgar: -100% | YES |
| @smooth: -100% | NO |
| @kevinwong: -100% | NO |
| @roadscape: -100% | NO |
| @mmmmkkkk311: -100% | NO |
| @spectrumecons: -100% | YES (barely, actually a response to another downvoter, no reason given for downvoting) |
| @michealb: -50% | NO |
| @memehub: -100% | NO |
| @jarunik: -100% | NO |
| @joshman: -100% | YES |
| @nonameslefttouse: -100% | YES |
| @hobo.media: -100% | NO |
| @felixxx: -100% | NO |
| @katharsisdrill: -100% | NO |
| @flipstar: -100% | NO |
| @mariuszkarowski: -100% | NO |
| @funtraveller: -100% | NO |
| @ura-soul: -100% | NO |
| @lordbutterfly: -100% | YES |
| @ctime: -10% | NO |
| @captainklaus: -99% | NO |
| @briggsy: -100% | NO |
| @traciyork: -100% | NO |
| @mys: -100% | NO |
| @markkujantunen: -100% | YES |
| @heimindanger: -100% | NO |
| @gunsmithing: -100% | NO |
| @nickyhavey: -100% | NO |
| @revo: -100% | NO |
| @xyzashu: -100% | NO |
| @sgt-dan: -100%- | YES |
| @tobetada: -100% | NO |
| @cadawg: -100% | NO |
| @mstafford: -100% | NO |
| @tsurmb: -100% | NO |
| @argentsilver: -100% | NO |
| @ritch: -100% | NO |
| @shortcut: -100% | NO |
| @olde-steemshop: -100% | NO |
| @gangstalking: -100% | NO |
| @baro89: -100% | NO |
| @periods: -100% | NO |
| @quantumdeveloper: -100% | NO |
| @marki99: -100% | NO |
| @ocieprosza: -100% | NO |
| @sk1920: -100% | NO |
| @blake.letras: -100% | YES |
| @luigiborla: -100% | NO |
Was finished reviewing this post and its comments at 8:30pm EST (guess I am a slow reader).
Eight (8) comments related to the reason for down-voting out of 49 down-votes. What seems to be the major malfunction?
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So why did only a few people make comments? Well hopefully it is not laziness, but realizing that the more comments on this post, the more attention it will get. You see that is how bots work. Even though there are many down-votes, if there are a great many comments, the bots will pick it up. You see, AI is not intelligent. These bots that troll the blockchain are not capable of differentiating a positive comment from a negative one. Evidently some of you my loves, are not intelligent either and follow flagging trails not knowing what posts you are flagging. I term this lazy curation. It sure is not manual curation.
If @arcange and others that use bots would come up with a code that would associate down-votes with the comments, it would not be a problem. I don't know how to do it, yet those that are good at coding could make a small script in their bot code (very easily). I am an old DBASE programmer. Don't know Javascript, C++, or Ruby, yet I know enough that doing what I mentioned above would not be difficult for a seasoned coder.
My last post? Made out of frustration. You all know me better than that. I am going nowhere.Nor would I take away delegation from those that are still active in making STEEM a great place. I take back what I said about leaving. I am here to aggravate everyone for the long term.
Many of my friends have left... some a while back, some more recently. Breaks my heart. Yet I will never surrender.
Another biggie for you to add... @knircky 100% on my post.
https://steemit.com/blog/@lucylin/what-do-women-really-think-i-dunno-but-i-can-definitely-make-some-money-from-it
Why?
I dunno - but Gingers have serious issues. lol
Thank you for actually reading my post. Refreshing.
I know - I'm a bit weird that way....:)
I read your post and yes, I can understand where some could get offended. Some of the statements you made towards the end if taken literally could be offensive to some.
Oh, and the ginger comment? Not sure if you are referring to yourself or @knircky. Probably a statement like that would not fall under the making friends and influencing people.
My original hair color before it went salt and pepper was a rusty red when I was a boy as was my beard, yet I am not triggered. Being very bad at political correctness myself, I am not one to judge. Just saying...
....getting offended, and then taking an action that is punitive in nature, are two totally different things. Logically and philosophically, speaking.
I never worry about making friends and influencing people, anymore.
Played that game , got the t-shirt..... Then got bored of the game...
I'm balding an' running to fat - So what? - I cannot imagine how anyone could say anything about either of those two, ever, and trigger me, I really can't.
(Getting offended about the truth of a situation is beyond dumb).
Just was trying to figure out, like you, why the downvote. It is all about people's perceptions of what we say, and not what we mean to say sometimes.
Yup - beyond me.
Wait until I start advertising what I intimated at, on my blog!
This stupid down vote led me to a whole 3 posts, I've written (not published).
Way too angry to publish - but some nuggets may have emerged from getting it down on paper, that may (and I this say very tentatively)....may have opened up ideas that could change the down voting behavior...I'll have to explore it more...
Would you like to be part of the C.U.N.T society? lol
C.U.N.T.S - maybe- might be able to defeat twats...
C onstraining
U seless
N arcassctic
T wats
S ociety
(did I mention it was a very angry few posts? lol)
I'll do a post when my ideas are more formulated...
Is the letter N for Narcissistic, or for a new word combining narcissistic and sarcastic? Just curious. I don't know that I would really want to be part of the club. Thank you for asking though.
I support initiatives, but not much for joining caucuses. More of a lone wolf myself. Plus the acronym? Don't believe it would be very popular in the mainstream of the Steem Community.
I did say I was angry when I wrote it all down...narcissistic - typo.
I'm a lone wolf myself, I get ya.
In my angry writing phase, I found myself morphing into some kind of a Lucius Quinctius figure. 'It's shit job but someone has to do it', type of thing. P.s. - I'm not comparing myself to Lucius - now that would be narcissistic! lol....but you see what I mean?
I hate bullying, and when 'might is right' on this platform -dpos - it brings that side of me, out.
The C.U.N.T.S would be reactionary force only to poor behavior - like down voting my post as an example.
It cannot be done through counter downvoting - which is against my principals anyway - but other ways have emerged. (It only applies to real people, not bots).
When the whale is very large sociopath, you have think out of the box, if you're gonna skin it...
(to mix metaphors).
We'll see what i come up with...
Well, to look on the bright side of things... at least the downvote got your creative juices flowing.
'Stay positive' has always been my mantra in life.
(not to be confused with 'happy clappy' delusional states. lol)
Paradoxically, being on steem, started to knock the 'stay positive' right out of me!
"Are we now doing auto-down-voting?"
Some people yes. There is definitely at least two things, which you can auto-downvote with. Steem Flag Rewards and FlagTrail. But they are downvoting abusive content, so they are using their downvotes responsibly.
Although it is possible to write a downvote bot selling application for a seasoned coder. Maybe someone wrote a thing like that, and some people are selling their downvotes not necessarily to fight abusive content. but to earn money. But I currently don't know about any such service. But it is possible.
Let's be honest. People are here for the money, and many of them do everything (including selling their downvotes for money) to earn money.
Wow! Another person that actually read my post. Appreciate it and I agree with you. Yet; I would never trust my personal downvote to anyone.
My issue is downvoting someone without explaining why. That is just as bad as upvoting someone without explaining why. Auto-upvotes/down-votes are ridiculous.
I know. Nowadays the real, human interaction is rare on Steemit (and on most part of the Steem blockchain).
Only a few people takes time to actually read blog posts on the Steem blockchain.
Most of the people are writing blog posts, only a few people cares about other people's blog posts.
So sad. Probably this is one of the reasons why the price of the Steem is down.
Back to the topic: I don't think that upvotes need explanations.
I rarely explain my upvotes, because it is simple and obvious.
I like something. Either the blog post, or the personality of the blogger. Or both.
The lack of interaction is the whole point of my last two posts. I have heard many state that the lack of leaving comments on people's posts is a sad state of affairs.
I have used curation trails in the past (AKA Autoupvotes), but just does not sit well with me. Then again everyone must decide what works best for them. I just share my thoughts. and what I feel are some of the problems. I by no means think so much of myself that I believe I have all the answers. Far from it.
I do admit to delegating to projects, yet I do not believe that is selling votes as I expect nothing in return when I delegate to those projects, upvotes or anything else for that matter.
It is one of the reasons I am so against auto-upvotes especially as it pertains to delegation of SP. It does not promote the production of good content. Some term it a circle jerk. I myself have used that not so nice term.
I understand that many, not all, are here for the financial rewards. I get it. Nor is it my place to judge, though I have in the past made many judgmental statements and I was wrong in doing so.
Everyone has their views, acts upon them and sometimes regrets those acts. I have.
One thing I think we can all agree on, we want this to work. Steem will never be perfect. There is the human factor after-all. Fair is a relative term. Like life; STEEM is not, nor ever will be, fair since there is no such thing!
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STOPTo support your work, I also upvoted your post!
Well, thank you very much Bot! LOL. I do like the @steemitboard Bot though. Not spammy and one can opt out which is very cool. Not attacking you @arcange or the #steemitboard project. I think what you do is great.
Thank you @sgt-dan
Must I comment every time I leave an upvote as well?
I don't believe so. I was just making an observation. Then again I think that the folks that receive the upvote would appreciate it. If they know why someone found their post voteworthy it would help them to be better bloggers.
Just saying...
I know they'd appreciate it but it's not always possible and I certainly don't hold it against people if they vote for me and not say anything. The vote is doing the talking in a lot of cases. They approve of the post or they approve of what I did or they simply approve of my presence here. They already spent time reading and I understand we don't all have the time to sit and talk when life can be busy. You become a better blogger when you can accept things the way they are and carry on without demanding people do more.
Thank you for your response and see? I learned another person's viewpoint!
Steel sharpening steel is my motto! Even at 58 years old, I don't know everything and appreciate constructive criticism (ah, to be 18 again and know the solution to every problem).
It's been awhile since I knew everything as well.
As for the downvoting then leaving a comment part as to why, well, not everyone can handle constructive criticism. It's often converted into an insult due to the way it's processed in their mind, even though the intention was to help. A lot of people don't want to sit and argue or find themselves at the receiving end of a barrage of unwarranted insults. That's what happens sometimes when you leave a comment after downvoting. You're made out to appear like some kind of villain, others read that, take sides. You come out of there with more people hating you for no real reason. And that's life.
True in many cases and I stand convicted of participating in that type of behavior in the past. I have no excuses for that behavior on my part either.
I must continue to do self-talk and tell myself...
Self, it is not about what others do, but what I do.
Often after going on a rant or just being plain nasty, I hear my father's voice...
I live in a glass house and have argued with others and at times have been part of the problem, not the solution. Then again I am an attention hog!
Showmanship and one-upmanship also come into play. The social media elements put us all on a stage. That makes walking away without defending yourself difficult. It's tough to let things slide. That's something I work on daily. I can be hot-headed at times and don't really have much of a filter. That can be a bad combo for both parties.
I am also a hot-head, but I state the obvious. Tact has never been one of my strong points.Then again because of my direct way of speaking and my tongue being in second gear before my brain kicks in, I am many times misunderstood.
I really need to continue on working on that flaw in my character. Then again we are all a work in progress, no?
Hardly comment on stuff i upvote or downvote. If people ask why i voted, i will offer my thought process
Well that explains it then! Thank you for straightening me out on that.
I think most downvoters didnt leave a comment on that post because its believed to be obvious as to the reason for the downvote. That post was bit botted to the moon. There was no need to bid bot the post to that high of a reward to make it to trending. Hell, even after all the downvotes, that post is still looking at a $180+ reward. This kinda behavior was a huge part of the reason for the support for HF21. Hope this gives some clarity.
Thank you for responding and clarifying.
Yes, that is true. Some people earn $180+ with a single blog post, while many people can't even earn that amount (or even the half of it) in a month with dozens of blog posts with hours of work and effort.
I simply didn't want to spam that post by commenting the same thing others already did. Instead I upvoted the comment which reflects my opinion, so anyone to dig deeper would understand my reasons.
Understand your reasoning completely. Makes a great deal of sense.
Yeah but we don't have to explain why we up-vote every time? Lol I just downvoted that last post for no reason, that's the reason. I up-voted this one a little to make up for the last one! lol nice post!
Upvoted because I appreciate comments of all kinds. I am an attention hog that way. Keeps my blog relevant. I might not be the most popular guy on the block, but a good many folks know who I am. This is an attention economy afterall.
Downvoted for making puppets out of cocks and putting the pictures all over the immutable blockchain
Upvoted for making yourself clear. Kudos.
I knew I'd like you :OD
it's true sir, downvoting is like an illness in steem. You can find most of them, maybe in upvoting it's fine not to leave comments but if it's downvoting that's the time someone must explain why. Downvoting must not think just trolling because it can hurt people's mind if there's no reason.
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Try to be equanimous in upvotes as well as downvotes!
I usually do give a comment with my reason for a downvote; but on posts where it is quite obvious, and others stated the same reason already, I save my fingertips...
I'm not a fan of indiscriminate downvoting, but I think it is an important. And trending has become a bit more interesting...
I do not use or have written any downvote bot and I barely put downvotes, except on obvious abuse or shitposts.
In those cases, I believe it does not matter to put a comment because the downvote reason is obvious too.
So, sad to see that. Even in the comments they are all saying that's ok to downvote without leaving a comment. ''How dare ....'' .
Dowvoting is not like upvoting at all. People are losing money from that and that's a big problem for them. Losing reputation as well. Hard earned, or even if they are newcomers who don't understand what's wrong.
When I joined 2 and half years ago, I also learned things only from downvote, but it shouldn't be like that. It was really hard to learn and you keep thinking, if it's ok to do something or not. Dowvoting should be commented in any case and they should explain why they do so. Or you can say they are acting like dictators who kill people without explaining them the reason, or just kill innocents to show their power. ( The case in autodownvote ).
They will not listen to this unless someone poweful will start to defend this. Or a communities come together and do something about it.
Anyway, the long term will prove they are wrong, just like upvote bots stoped, self upvote is fighted, circles are killed, this issue also will be solve in the future in my opinion. ☺