RE: LET'S TALK ABOUT PALnet: I've mixed thoughts so far; what is your first impression?
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I think that PAL net will be around for a long time.
I believe the reason for so-called disappearing comments is simply the person leaving the comment is not a PALnet member. Yes it can be confusing, however PALnet allows for a new start for people that have been slammed and banged about in steemit and are constantly having their comments greyed out by individuals or groups. Also PALnet does take steps to protect it's users, and will ban/block people from their portal if needed. Many will see this as censorship, but there are a few common sense rules that are and will be enforced on PALnet. No action taken on the PALnet side will effect how an individuals post are viewed on steemit or other front ends.
As for the 50/50 split, that is only on your PAL tokens. They are not taking 50% of your steem token rewards from your steemit post or other front end post. You are actually getting two payouts on PALnet post. Steem and PAL
It is my understanding that if you vote on a post that does not have #palnet as a tag then you are not spending any of your PALnet Vote Power on that post. So you get no curation reward. If a non palnet member uses the #palnet tag, I am not sure what would happen, I would like to think that the non-used 50% would go to the token burn pile, but like you I am not sure on that.
The nice thing about the scot-tribes/communities, is you do not need to use their front end. You can stay on steemit and see all the comments, vote on a post and if #palnet is in the tag of that post you will be automatically curating with your PALnet vote.
If an individual has grown completely tired of any of the other front ends because of harassment, then they can spend the vast majority of their time on PAlnet and not be bothered by the Steemian, or Leoians or any of the other front end groups. If you are on PALnet you will not see comments from non-palnet users in you replies box. Like wise you will not see comments you made to non-palnet post in your comment box.
A separate yet shared platform experience. Think back to the very early days of the internet prior to netscape and mozilla web browsers, when there was AOL, and CompuServe, If you wanted to see something on AOL you had to be a member, if you wanted to see something on CompuServe you had to be a member of their system, web browsers changed all that. One day there will be a block browser that will change the separation but shared concept.
THIS. Separate tribes. Separate comments. The comments aren't "disappearing". It's an intended feature IMO.
It is, and I think an important feature. You can still earn steem coins and PAL tokens. People confuse what is decentralized and what is not. The block chain steem is decentralized, not the tribes, they are like private little islands sprinkled through out the steem block chain. Make to much of a ruckus, harass to many island dwellers, and it back in the ocean for you; to swim with, or be eaten by, the other sharks.
The idea is to be token agnostic when voting on the same blockchain. Hence it should not be required (in my view) to use any particular front end to vote with a particular token.
I think this is where we are heading to... I hope it continues that way.
!BEER to that!
Oh yeah, you don't need to be logged on PALnet to vote, if you are on steemit, esteem, partiko, or what have you if a post you vote on has #palnet as a tag, then you voted with your PALnet shares also. The hard part is going to be having all the front ends have the same number of allowable tags. I don't know how they do it but I have seen post with 8 or more tags, so they are covered for a lot of secondary votes, until the coin makers limit the vote power to the first 5 or 6 tags that is.
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To reiterate what I answered directly to this post, there is no such thing as a palnet account. If you have a steem account you already have a palnet account, they aren't two separate things. You could interact with palnet without ever using palnet.io. It's all dependant on using the palnet tag on your posts, that's it. And yes your PAL VP is ignored if you vote a post that doesn't have the tag and no PAL rewards are distributed.
Drar @bashadow
I very much appreciate your amazing comment.
I already realized that all comments are visible. Just counter is misleading on PALnet and it doesn't really count all comments.
Personally I found it scary. Even scarier than risk of being banned on Facebook, youtube or twitter. After all PALnet doesn't provide any customer service and communication channels with their team are very limited (pretty much not existing, especially for those who do not use Discord). Plus PALnet doesnt send you any clear notification about being banned :(
Censorship is necessary, but if one decide to censor content then lack of communication will be a problem. Simply because mistakes will be happening and sometimes random people will end up being banned for very little issues.
Can you imagie building your presence on platform and being banned without being notified about it?
Yours
Piotr
Can you imagine throwing a pool party for your 16 year old daughter and having a group of people crash your daughters party and then start throwing insults at her and threats at you, and peeing in your pool?
I have seen post with literally hundreds of ignorant, rude, and inappropriate gif's and meme's. Banning and blocking that type of behavior is not censorship. That is taking the person out of society and putting them in jail for wrong doing. Mistakes happen in every criminal justice system, there will always be some innocent people being jailed. There are ways to appeal the process available for the users. "--
After all PALnet doesn't provide any customer service and communication channels--" PALnet does have a discord chat room and a place to make appeals.Insults are free speech? Think about that for a moment or two.
Threats are free speech? Think about some of those gif's and comments.
Pissing in a pool free speech? I do not think that is art any more than pissing on a flag.
PALnet, the last I read about the situation is that they will allow one post every 24 hours. This allows a chance to straighten things out, all of these Child sites of steem block chain are trying to find a balance between user safety and experience, and censorship.
Dear @bashadow
Thank you for your prompt reply.
Your example is very extreme but I do get your point.
Exactly. PALnet (and many others) seem to limit communication channels only to discord. Hardly anyone I know does use discord. And that's the sad reality.
And it hardly matters if they are on discord or not. What matters is that even on this channel most of them are hardly responsive. Together with a friend we've tried to reach out to them asking about those not-visible comments and having few other questions. And we've failed to receive any reply ever.
Yours
Piotr