A short analysis of Elizabeth Warren's education plan for free college, Sander's plan is similar but smaller!

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The real cost, and benefits from Elizabeth Warren's free college vote buying plan.The DNC's debates are one big give away promise (in exchange for votes) with NO thought on where that money will come from!

Some of the funding will be acquired by taking funding from our already sub standard K-12 Education system. Nothing better than stealing our children's future to buy some votes!

Image from the article:
https://gunningforfreedom.com/free-college-only-benefits-14-of-americans/
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Article with the cost and benefit numbers:
https://gunningforfreedom.com/free-college-only-benefits-14-of-americans/

They point out that the "debates" are a give away contest. Who can promise the most free stuff?

If one thing is clear about the over-crowded but quickly thinning Democratic presidential field, it is that everyone and their mother wants to give America all the free stuff possible. Among the policies proposed, there is to be free healthcare, free education, free housing, government-mandated incomes, and even free childcare.

It begins to break down when we look at what these programs are, and what they really cost.

But the problem lies in the application of these policies. Yeah, sure they sound good, and I’m sure these candidates have the best intentions for America. But what if they don’t work? All of these plans require some significant changes to be made to our country and our economy. What if those changes are made and no one really benefits? Or worse yet, what if the price of these plans isn’t worth benefits?

That is precisely what is being determined by the National Bureau of Economic Research or NBER.

First up, the free college tuition plans of frontrunners Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren. And it’s not looking good.

Now here is where it begins to get ugly, when we try to fund this program....

However, a new study completed by NBER found that if those plans were to be implemented, over 86 percent of American households would not only not benefit but would incur losses.

It said, “free-public-college policies, mandatory or subsidized, would decrease state expenditures on and hence the quality of public education.”

As the study says, “The idea of ‘free’ public college is politically seductive. But of course, a college education can’t actually be free – someone must pay for it.” And if the government is implementing the plan, then the government is also paying for it.

Which means that WE are paying for this "free" educations, and experience shows that any government program will waste three times as much as it would have cost any other way! They also are famous for attaching strings to everything they do. When they promise free college, it will be for a limited number of people; at a bone crushing cost.

So, how do we pay for this exorbitant expenditure on education?

There are two options. The federal government could make the plan mandatory, forcing states to participate, which would cause the state government to help with costs. States would be forced to come up with the money in an already tight budget. State taxes would be raised first of all. But in addition, funds would have to be diverted from early education needs like teacher salaries, new and much-needed school equipment, and even curriculum costs.

Essentially, education standards in every state would be lowered so they could pay for “free college.”

So what’s the other option? Well, instead of states paying, it would be Washington. The federal government would subsidize the states to “encourage” them to give free tuition, which is pretty much a nicer way to say mandatory.

While this would take such high demands off of the state, the federal government would still need lots of money to make it happen. This means raising taxes for citizens. So instead of paying the college or university for your education, you are paying the government.

In either case, Americans end up paying higher taxes and have education standards lowered.

Sounds like a perfect liberal plan, costs a lot, and destroys the education system itself! It also forces the states to lower the college costs, by transferring some of the costs to the states!

Yuichiro Kakutani from the Free Beacon said, “Warren’s plan would force state governments to withdraw resources from public K-12 education to fund the free college program, worsening the overall quality of education students receive before college.”

“The lower education quality, along with higher tax rates, would contribute to a decline in welfare for U.S. households.”

But more people would get degrees, right?

However, even that isn’t certain. Research completed by Harvard University on an existing free college program in Massachusetts for high-performing students found that fewer students ended up finishing their education. And the NBER study confirmed this with their research.

And the end result? We find that the "Free" college extends only to 14% of the people going to college, the rest don't benefit, obviously a faulty system!

The study concluded, “Over 86% of all households would lose while about 60% of the lowest income quintile would gain from such policies.” Just to be clear, that means only the lowest 14% of America will benefit.

Taxes will go up to pay for it, and most people will not benefit, PERFECT liberal program, it is FUBAR before it begins!



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i guess americans that want to get free education should go to germany for free education (free education is in most of europe but germany offers it to non EU), and then apply to jobs afterwards, because the new immigration law coming january that allows anyone who gets a job contract to get a work visa. let americans who want education stay in germany so europe can brain drain the skilled workers from USA. good idea.

"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
Can you send us that statue in the mail? Or atleast the copper plate?

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One need only look at the debacle they have made of today's public school system, to see the disaster we face from this "plan"!

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this is how you fight terrorists without guns :D
no bloodshed

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Can't open it? Looks interesting though.

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huh why cant open? its a youtube link.. start at 2:45... they fought a knife wielding terrorist with a chair, a fire extinguisher and a tusk of a narwhal... non of them had access to guns

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I am glad they stopped him!

I carry a 9mm, 100% of the time. This would have ended quickly...a knife is not much threat in a gun fight.

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XDDD why would it not be available in US i dont get it... if no one has access to guns, there are no gun fights, and primitive options only have limited lethality...

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The internet is becoming almost unusable due to censoring.

As far as the firearm issue, any competent home builder can make a firearm. A machinist can make one you can't tell from the Factory made. This is what you can never remove firearms by law, any more than you can remove drugs by law.

I have never seen a gun fight, and have only had a gun trained on me once, by a sheriff, by mistake. Even though I have carried a firearm for decades, I have never had to pull it. Came close with a large knife, and once with a sword. Talked them both down, and they never knew I had a pistol....

Firearms are not the problem, this is a heart issue!

Since our Second Amendment is there to protect us from our own government (see Democide); and every time more firearms are placed in public hands, violence decreases.

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i hope a person skilled enough to make a gun can make a good decision on how to use it, though that was not the case in the halle failed shooting where a guy 3D printed a gun, that was too low quality to shoot open the door of a synagogue... also sometimes delaying the process of getting a gun can prevent shootings, as they are often based on impulsive behaviour caused by current emotional state. so having a gun check that takes 3 weeks, which is the case for 1 state in USA, can prevent shooting, while not restricting access to guns...

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I can make a shotgun using a pair of black pipes, in less than an hour. Only need to drill one hole. Just not that hard, but outlaw them and people that would never consider making a firearm will set up production lines.

I have a nice 3-D printer, and only a fool would use it to print a gun. A simple block and a hand held drill motor will make a reasonable accurate hand held pistol. 3-D printed guns are just intended to piss off liberals, and could only be possibly viable; if the printed part was used to cast a metal part.

All you get by delaying a person with Murder in his heart is a murder with a bat or a knife. The heart is the real problem here, and a madman will not wait. BUT if the Victim is carrying a defensive firearm, the bat or knife will NOT be very effective!

The government does NOT have the Constitutional Authority to restrict Firearm ownership by Citizens.

You want to know the risk our Founding Fathers worried about? Look up Democide, THAT is what they worried about when they wrote the Second Amendment. They wanted us to be armed Equally with any standing Army the Government has, to avoid Democide problems.

Stay safe!

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so you agree a killer would not want to wait, hence the gun law suggested in the video (that effectively does not restrict if you can get the firearm but only the waiting period) would be effective?

in germany there are many regulations on gun ownership, so the 3D printed gun was the only solution... now i see on youtube already advertisement for 3D printers printing some kind of carbon material that is much more resistant (oh lord this might get ugly at some point)...

let me give you a way of preventing democide: many countries, including germany, only allow military actions with the majority of the parliament... the after world war laws in germany are resistant to democide... i dont approve that the president in US can just say he feels like attacking the middle east just cuz he is feeling hawkish and thats that... thats the problem with bush obama and trump... and dems need to stop making obama a saint, he did some nasty foreign politics aswell...

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Only if you would rather be beaten to death with a baseball bat. The problem is someone believing that they have the right to murder others, NOT the firearm! Historically, it just gives the thinkers more time to plan; it is still a heart problem!

The regulation on gun ownership was the first step by the National Socialists in your country to reach democide. I can NEVER support gun regulations, because 100% of the time, when they are successful, the government begins killing those they want dead. This has happened all over the World, across History!

Democide can NOT be controlled by regulations, because those in control are the source of this great evil! The ability of the citizens, to Resist Democide is the only counter to this murder of the innocents.

President Trump has not attacked anyone, he has been reducing troop count from wars started by others, but has not attacked anyone. Obama was the worst at that, but Bush had his war side too. I would prefer that our troops were removed and brought home, especially in the Middle East. We have lost way too many good Men taking care of other people's problems....

Obama was an ASS, and foreign born; so he could not legally be President. This is how far the New World Order have contaminated our politics, but we are fixing this!

It is actually harder to print a firearm than to build a metal one. I can do both, so I do know the problems of each. One shooting recently here was caused by a knife attacker who killed a bank guard, and used his gun. It is impossible to remove all guns....

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some shootings are not based on the hate towards people, but based on current emotional states, like kids being bullied and going to a school shooting, or being rejected by their lover... ofcourse you can have an inefficient killing such as that time when there was a psychological unstable axemurderer on a german train, but since they are slow and inefficient there is more time to stop them...

germany has a successfull ban on carrying guns... guns need to be locked in volts and you need to have a licence to even own a gun (not any gun)... and im not being killed...

trump was first in bombing syria (first to attack syria directly instead of "only" funding terrorists in syria to destabilize syria)... his bombing was against international law, and he justified it based on false american media reports about the chemical attack in Douma. German and Russian media have though found evidence that there never was a chemical attack, and the OPCW report was faulty as well...




OPCW only found clorine, which is not a nerve gas that Syria is accused of, and clorine is available to be bought by anyone... while OPCW claims it took 10 days to get to the site, and hence they believe the evidence might be doctored, reporters got there instantly, discrediting their claims...

Trump and Bush is an Ass as well, but if i had to choose between Biden, Bloomberg or Trump i would rather have trump.... Bernie, Warren and Yang i would prefer...

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The "justification" for someone deciding to end the life of another is a side issue that I lump into Hate as a short hand because hate is always a part, unless they are serial killers.The root problem is the decision to kill someone else, not the device used to achieve that end. There was a mass killing in China, where over 50 school kids were killed...he used a knife! We had a mass killing down south here, where he killed six people, because people didn't know he was killing; because he used a knife!

It is a heart issue!

I hate to tell you this, but Chlorine gas (AKA Mustard Gas) is listed as a WMD, first used by Germany in WWI. So use of Mustard Gas is a WMD attack. Nerve gas or Chemical gas, both kill, just in different ways. According to General Asad, who helped arrange the move, Syria is where WMD's were moved to, when we took too long as a coalition, to move on Iraq.

https://www.nysun.com/foreign/iraqs-wmd-secreted-in-syria-sada-says/26514/

I am in favor of the US leaving the rest of the World to take care of their own defense, but with all the defense agreements in place, today we are still being tasked with Police actions. By these same agreements, use of a WMD can be responded to by use of a WMD (which is damn stupid) to stop it. So Syria could have been hit a lot harder. I WANT US OUT of all of this, we have lost too many good Men defending those who hate us anyway.

Bernie is a Communist, and if he got in, this Republic would fail quickly. A crash here would be reflected across the entire World. Warren has Zero chance, her health care 'coverage' would bankrupt this country.

At least with President Trump, our economy is good, but the liberals are still spending us into oblivion, with record deficit spending! They spend four times what we take in, and she wants to spend More...it can NOT continue.

ALL Politicians are Asses, or they wouldn't be there. What we have to watch out for is those that do Not understand, that all things MUST be paid for!

I also believe that politicians found on the take, should be hung upon conviction! They should be held to a higher standard, not given a pass....

Our most violent places in our country, are the places with the most stringent anti gun laws. They have so many killings in LA, Chicago, and NYC; that they make the numbers for this entire country look bad! I have a 9mm in my pocket right now, not to hurt someone, but I will NOT be harmed in turn.

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china uses the stabbings to justify the concentration camps in china, while it pays supporters to do stabbings during the hong kong protest (there have been so many)... a chinese whistleblower spy turned him self over in australia and confessed on tv how he got people without knowing to spy for china in hk and else where and got people attacked in hk...


owning weapons there is illegal and people are constanty surpressed... ofcourse there will be some people who get violent... this has more to do with respecting basic human dignity and rights and the evil doing of an oppressive regime and less with hate...

chlorine is still not a nerve gas and there are different types of chemical weapons and how they work... chemical weapons in ww1 for example often burned your lungs or eyes... the videos released by the white helmets showed supposed nerve gas symptoms which was not true... chlorine is accessible by terrorists, while nerve gas needs a proper production facility... the time at which the chlorine was released also incidented the time government forces took over the terrorist controlled douma... white helmets is one of the terroristic organizations that gets big funding from trump... they release a great amount of videos of them "saving people" from bombing attacks that are supposedly from assad, and the bodies of the people they saved are later found without organs no matter how minor the injury was of the people they saved...

I agree that trump should pull out militarily from the world... US has been so far creating its own enemies in a perpetual cycle of war... afghanistan: taliban was created because of US funding terrorists to make soviets pull out of afghanistan... Osama was funded in the beginning by US, so was ISIS, which formed due to the uneven powerdistribution after hussein...

about gun laws: what is wrong with many democrats aspiring for US to become more like a european like country? europe is not a bad place you know. shootings are rare, we have more immigrants and are more diverse, free education, free healthcare... why so pessimistic about europe?

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False Flag attacks, to justify suppression is a common tactic used by all governments to take rights away from Citizens. They are using them here too. US based liberals are trying to follow the National Socialists game plan here today.

They are being stopped by the US Constitution as planned by our Founding Fathers. They intended that if our government became oppressive (like yours has) we will have the hardware to tell them no, and to make it stick.

I would like to see us pull out of the World, defund the UN, pull out of NATO. Other countries can pay for their own defense and provide their own blood. The money and deaths is not appreciated anyway; and the UN is a bad joke. I am tired of paying their bill only to have them spit on us!

Well, I like to be free to say what I believe, instead of being arrested for speaking my mind like in Europe. Europe is dead from the cancer that is socialism. Freedom is a thing of the past when the government can bring in those who rape your women, and make it prison time to speak up against these evil people! The torture of regulations will not allow you to breathe free, and the liberals only support them to gain more control over honest people.

The problem with liberals attacking the Right to bear arms is that it is Illegal here, because it is against our Constitution. It is actually treason to do so....

The ACA (Obamacare) here DESTROYED medical R&D in the USA in 2008. I worked in Medical R&D for three decades, and I have dozens of patents on new designs, and there is ZERO work in R&D here because the return on Investment (ROI) is gone. Better not need any cutting edge medical procedure, it will be fatal.

The project I was working on when this shut down occurred, would have saved over 750,000 people if they had not passed this debacle! We led the entire World in new medical equipment, but now Israel is the only source for real Medical R&D.

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false flag attacks are only deceiving voters and allied countries... they are an attack on us aswell...

europe is not an oppressive regime. i can say whatever i want, and people can get a gun licence and go to a shooting range if they wanna practice shooting, or even own a gun at home... if people have a gun at home and not running around in public with it, it could still prevent a "democide"...

I saw USA today on the news blockading WTO appoint new judges, which might destroy world trade as we know it... Europe needs to become more agile in politics to keep up with US putting everything in disarray and replace all US "world" institution with relyable ones...

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We agree on False Flag attacks.

Europe IS limiting free speech. Just try to say something not Politically incorrect.

I posted this yesterday:
https://steemit.com/informationwar/@smithlabs/france-moves-closer-to-the-cliff-of-oblivion-with-a-new-department-limiting-free-speech

I posted about six months ago, on a US Citizen in the UK; who THOUGHT she had free speech there, until she was jailed. DO AS YOU ARE TOLD, and you are fine; step over the line, and get stepped on. Empirically, Europe is NOT free...only deceived. If they know where Every firearm is , they only need to collect them up, before they kill you....

Europe is welcome to the UN Police force spot. Of course if the USA begins support for the UN that Equals everyone else, the UN may go away. Enjoy it....

We disagree on Europe replacing the US in Police work. It is no more YOUR business than it is OUR Business. Let them take care of their own problems, it is after all, THEIR business. Providing the elected government with wepaons to defend themselves is okay with me, but keep our troops home in case they try to go more socialists here!

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its strange to hear that europe limits free speech from a country that sentences journalistic methods like used by assage with 175 years prison time... its dangerous to be a whistleblower there...
check the freedom of press index. A lot of european countries rank first and Germany 13th...
i can say whatever i want anywhere in europe... germany might give issues since it is illegal to deny the holocaust (for obvious historic reasons), and an employer can fire you if they dont align with you politically... but otherwise you are free to say what u want... in UK u might get your career ruined if you say anything against israel, but the same problem is in the US, and UK is soon outside europe...

UN is not equal. its a fighting ground between the 5 "winner" nations, hence UN is unable to make decisions and becomes useless...

Europe has much more business there, as we are connected by land to the countries US is waging wars at. Europe is not oil hungry, gets a steady supply from russia and aims to be carbon neutral by 2050, yet we get all refugees from US their wars. peace is in Europes interest, not the US interest. still US forces european companies to participate in the Iran sanctions, and uses nato to force european countries to participate in the illegal bombing of syria. compared to russia, US hunger for war has become a much greater threat to the peace on our continent.

and US is not providing weapons to elected government, but terrorists and cruel dictators (yemen and FSA terrorists in syria)... provide weapons to countries attacking other nations (saudi, turkey and israel attacking syria and yemen)... US funds the war against russian separists, despite the electrion from the ukrainian peace agreement minsk2 turning out in favor of them wanting to join russia.

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I don't like what they did to him, but he published classified materials. We have had liberals in charge for too long, so they are ignoring our Constitution, and need some retraining by way of prison. Working on that right now, then we can get him out by pardon.

You can be arrested in Germany for voicing an opinion against Islam. Give them time to affect your government, and they will erase the Holocaust too....
The firing over Politics is disturbing, since it has no effect on job performance.

The UN is not functional, and is expensive for no results. All the UN seems to do is censure Israel for being hit by Hamas rockets....

NO ONE has business there, unless they are Living there. Proximity gives no special rights, and the ability to drive there does not mean you have the right to run their affairs. The USA is exporting oil, so I can NOT understand why they keep messing over there! You guys are the oil hungry bunch....

NATO is the reason you are not speaking Russian, I am just tired of carrying the load. Europe has recovered, and Russia has been dismembered; so you guys should be able to handle your own problems. I do NOT understand why anyone would buy from those who want you dead. You buy from Russia, we buy from China; both ideas are insane!

The providing weapons to elected governments is on MY want list. I also want us out of the Middle East, with the exception of assisting Israel, IF WE had not limited them in wars they have fought; there wouldn't be as many neighboring countries, and Israel would be a lot larger.

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they dont accuse him of publishing classified data, as some big news pages did publish it aswell... if they did they would have to imprison them reporters which would look really bad on freedom of press...

you can voice your opinion against islam in germany, but you cannot do hate speech against any group of people asking for violence to be done against them (due to obvious historic reasons with the jews)... also the dignity of the human is protected by german constitution, so even insulting someone over the internet can have legal repercussion. insults are not contributing to a constructive free exchange of opinion, so i would not see that as a limitation of freedom of speech.

also they are not erasing the holocaust, as it is even illegal to deny the existance of the holocaust. you cannot downplay the holocaust either.

I agree current european troops need to pull out since they are not in line with local governments or public opinion in syria... also the afghanistan seems pretty useless as currently they are only doing their best in keeping their military base alife while unable to make a change... i can support the mali mission but i dont support that they bribe the government to keep refugees from escaping... but i admire how russia resolves the turkey syria (being allied to both) conflict, and i wouldnt mind if europe was there under consent and collaboration of the local government and russia to establish peace in syria (almost how anti-rape laws are not against sex them self). thats my opinion about european military intervention. US has a history of funding local terrorists and destabilizing countries, including in syria and afghanistan (taliban and isis are US creation), thats the difference here.

so u are also against the annexation of westbank and syrian golan heights and further expansion of israel, as it is currently planned by netanyahu and ganz? i would hope that who ever the next president is, he/she will use the military aid as pressure to make israel treat palestinians with dignity. gaza as it is now is just a prison without propper access to jobs or water.

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They are practicing selective enforcement of law, that is not acceptable. The US is working on holding them accountable for crimes committed with classified leaks. Hopefully they will prosecute some high level criminals, soon.

Hate speech is a fluid definition that varies enough that you can NOT express discontent with islam. All they need do is fudge their understanding of what you say, and you go to prison. Insults are accurate truth to some, and insults to others; again a fluid definition. Here you are able to "insult" someone, as long as it is the truth. I have had positive transfer of information while being insulted, or when I am insulting. People are too thin skinned these days.

As soon as they get enough percentage to force sharia law upon you, they will begin to erase the Holocaust, because their hate is that great.

ALL troops need to be out! How can they work out their problem any other way? I am stunned that you think it is possible to treat with the Russians, since they say publically that agreements are a tool to gain advantage, and then be ignored. Oh by the way, they still hate Germany; that has not changed!

You would NOT like me in charge in the Golan etc. Israel entered an agreement with the palistinans, who swore that Israel would be safe from attacks from the Golan. They immediately violated that agreement, and now there are daily rocket attacks. I would move them out, and bulldoze the entire Golan. This problem is our fault, we reigned in the Israelies when they had routed their attackers. IF we had Not intervened, they would have taken Syria and friends....

The palistinians are there because no Arab country would give them a place to stay. They are the rejects, and Palestine was the only place no Arab wanted. When Israel was formed, all of a sudden they were "palestinians" instead of rejects. It is telling to note that the Arab nations STILL offer no place for these people!

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for the example of edward snowden, he never published anything. He only informed a selected few journalists about what is going on and gave them evidence, and then fled the country. yet he fears for his life when going back.

id prefer a civil conversation without insults. many conservative on steem i argued with often immediately reply with "fuck you" without stating their arguement. our discussion here is quite civil i believe. no insults. critizising ones religion is not attacking an individuals dignity, hence is legal. critizising a religion is also not saying you want violence to happen to that religion, so its not hate speech either. they might get annoyed though, since u do seem to have a very bad perspective on islam, not based on what islam truely is, but from what you see on the media from people who call them self muslim. Just because the LRA claims to be christian, does not mean all christians are terrorists. many non context quotes that are used against islam are also in the bible.

You must purge the evil from among you. The rest of the people will hear of this and be afraid, and never again will such an evil thing be done among you. Show no pity: life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot.
--Deuteronomy 19:19-21

only a small minority of muslims want sharia law... look at democratic muslim countries... there is a small minority asking for sharia law, but usually they fail against an annoyed facepalming majority... democracy is in our constitution... under no circumstance we can allow another holocaust, which is why im so annoyed at my country for ignoring chinese concentration camps for trade benefits...

solving problems in countries better than what NATO does is easy: simply dont fund and support terrorists and destabilize the country, just because you dont like assad. Russia is ally to turkey and syria, and their peace is important to them. Russia is also helping train the army of the central african republic to surpress violence. mali would have been taken over by the african isis if it was not for foreign troops being there. its not because people want it, its just isis taking advantage of very misserable situations in the sub sahara region where food and water security is not there. also globaly germans are not as hated anymore as americans are now for their wars of destabilization in many countries.

there are no palestinians in golan. golan is part of syria that was conquered in the 6 day war. it has been occupied territory since decades and israel plans to annex it. remember annexation is a very strong international crime, and reason currently russia is under sanctions. if you were talking about west jordan, how would u justify them being treated everyday without dignity without the freedom of movement in their country. thats not according to the treaty is it. and i did mention that any activity of hamas is met with a disproportionate higher response from israel. The bible said a life for a life not many lifes for a life, so you cannot possibly agree to that.

Anyone who injures their neighbor is to be injured in the same manner: 20 fracture for fracture, eye for eye, tooth for tooth. The one who has inflicted the injury must suffer the same injury.
--Leviticus 24:19-20

Why would Palestinians need to ask for another Arab country for a place to stay, when they have land to stay already. Who gives Israel the right to take away the land underneath their feet? There are already an overwhelming amount of Palestinians refugee in countries like Jordan, and refugees have no freedom of return to their land either.

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Honest journalists are protected in our Constitution. We are fighting to restore the rule of Law; too much liberal politics here, has caused significant damage.

Most interactions with liberals on steemit consist of flagging with no comment to censor posts, or vile and disgusting responses that often don't have anything to do with the initial posting.

Sadly violence against infidels is part of their 'holy' book. They are required, by their political system; that they Call a 'religion'...to decapitate us! Here in Oklahoma, we passed a Law that stated that no external source of law could be used to make law here. The only source MUST be the US Constitution. Listed along with International law sources was sharia law. When it was added to the ballot, local muslims said there was never an intent to use sharia law here, so it was unnecessary. When it passed by 75% of the vote, they filed a discrimination lawsuit the next day because it listed sharia along with other sources. It will be overturned at significant expense!

Here we setup a Constitutional Republic that avoids mob rule, and provides rights to individuals against the government.

Leave all countries to their own control. Much easier that way....

Taking land in war seems to only be a crime, if it is Israel. If it were me, and I had allowed settler back in the golan on promise of security; and they lied and began attacking, I would throw them out. They deliberately lied, and used the position gained to attack Israel.

As far as response, why is no one worried about those under rocket attack? Is Israel supposed to count their dead, then get random people of the exact same number, and kill them. I actually agree with defensive fire; they do not originate the killing, they are simply moving to stop it. All that is needed to stop the violence, is to stop firing on Israel, as they agreed to do before moving into the golan. The treaty was they could live there as long as they protected Israel's security from the golan.

There is no such thing as a nation of palestinians. These people were ejected from all the other Arab nations as undesirables. The went to land that was equally undesirable, because they had nowhere else to go. They are still unwanted....

When Israel was formed, they offered to share the land with these ejected people living there, and were turned down flat! That was the best deal they were offered in the last century!

As far as "their" land; that is NOT how it reads in my Bible! In point of fact, that country name is not there either....

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assage was an honest reporter, and he is not protected. snowden did not even report. there is no legal safe way of whistle blowing in USA

i see a few liberal flaggers but ive been heavily flagged by conservatives before. some of my articles are greyed out cuz of powerfull conservative flaggers that did not like my articles. some accounts such as @mitrado have given up on steem due to conservative voters...

violence against infidels is not part of the holybook, infact those who are not believers like christians jews and muslims are protected by the book saying they should not be mistreated for it, or else these people will end up rather resenting god than actually follow god.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_attitudes_toward_terrorism
here is the wikipedia article for muslim arritutes towards terrorism
"A number of surveys over the years have found that majorities of Muslims oppose attacks against civilians"
also most muslims will tell you sharia is bad.

the constitution cannot be possibly the only source of law, as many things the founding fathers did not for see, such as the abolishment of slavery or that women get to vote. the constitution is also changed over time.

israel does not need to count their dead to see their attacks are excessive... israel has the iron dome, that protects them from missiles, and more missiles to begin with... most hamas missiles dont even make it to israeli ground... still everytime israel goes all out on palestine. and what about them trying to live their life in normality? also its not the palestinian people are mostly against hamas, and are innocent victims of israeli cluster bombing of civilian housing. the bible does not say if ur neighbor shits in ur lawn you may have diarrhea all over town. no you may only shit back on that specific neighbors lawn.

and name me an example where annexation is not considered a crime. you are falsely painting israel a victim. its only when israel annexes, that the west is not tripping balls. golan is more about the oil not the "security". if you could do illegal stuff for "security" reasons why not give nukes to iran, since israel has (also illegaly) nukes and they need to defend them self. the same reason no one trips balls when pakistan got nukes, because they were afraid about indias nukes.

palestine was a thing when the ottoman empire was broken up and colonized by the brittish and other european countries. syria for example was french colony, after the ottoman empire. the people of palestine was a thing, and they were promised their freedom in exchange for them fighting for their brittish in the world wars. basically israel is the 3rd in a row opprossive regime under which palestinians are forced to live.

it was the brittish that screwed them over and said "argh nevermind the land we promised lets give it to the zionists". the promised land was promised to palestinians

also muslims are according to the quran "children of israel"... not only that but also the arabs are more closer related to jews from back then genetically... the only place where they even still speak the language jesus (one of the jews from back then) spoke is in syria... they are basically the true ancestors of the jewish from back then... the jewish coming from germany were mostly converted and just because of their religion does not mean that they own the land... also jesus and the jews back then were brown...

its like saying if anyone converted to the religion (because maybe it becomes a popular religion) of the native americans, they can migrate as native americans back into USA and get citizenship, because with their religion they proof ancestry.

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Muslim attitudes toward terrorism
There is a wide range of Muslim attitudes toward terrorism. A number of surveys over the years have found that majorities of Muslims oppose attacks against civilians, and some have found greater support in specific countries and situations.

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I agreed with you on these honest Journalists several times now. I have also told you that we are working on returning to the rule of Law here, hoping that force of arms is not the only route.

As far as the conservative "flagger" you list, his voting reputation is a (-5), so I don't see how he could do you any damage, and has been effectively silenced, undoubtedly by liberals.

I have seen the continued violence that is NOT opposed by the rank and file muslims, not even vocally! Because in islam, those in opposition are killed First, before the Jews and Infidels. This is the only "Religion" (really a political system) that preaches convert or die! Violence is the core of islam, and to prove me wrong, all they need do is denounce those doing violence, as you claim they are supposed to do!

I have heard the Iron Dome argument before. Just because they were forced to build a system to protect themselves; to compensate for a treaty violation by those in gaza, does not make them the aggressor! the rejects you call palestinians have the option of building the same system, but they will NOT because it is defensive, and they have no interest in defence!

EVERY nation in Europe, as well as here, was taken by use of force.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Areas_annexed_by_Nazi_Germany

Everything "annexed" by the Nazis Before Poland was considered legal....

As far a the golan being about oil, do you believe that they worry about oil more than daily rocket attacks? Oil can be purchased, Death is permanent!

Palestine is a PLACE, not a people. There were a lot of crimes done in the name of politics, promises done and ignored. That does not magically make a bunch of rejects from all over the Middle East into a 'worshipped' people misnamed "palistianians"...into a country! No Arab Country wants them, even now; they are still just rejects.

So there is anti Semitism there, SMH. The muslims Are the sons of Israel, so that gives them some special right to kill their Brothers, and refuse to live with them in peace!

No conversion does not directly affect ancestry, but you can also ask your treasured palestinians where their people were thrown out from, and get a lot of interesting answers! It is like a squatter claiming a house because he has lived there, then attacking and killing the owner when they return.

Lastly, the Constitution is a framework which has procedures in place to allow changes as needed, BUT those changes must remain within this framework. It is a document that is designed to Limit our federal government, not our Citizens. THIS is what these liberal scum vermin have violated by attacking the two journalists you mentioned, they attacked the Constitution! Treason takes many forms....

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There were many areas annexed by Nazi Germany both immediately before and throughout the course of World War II.

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i listed a victim of a conservative flagger.... mitrado is quite liberal in his view point. he could not post anymore because of that flagger

the silent majority opposes the violence. similar to most issues, where the sane side is most of the times the silent majority. u do see usually after attacks imams talk out against it saying this is not islam... and let me remind you christianity used to be much stricter on "convert or die"... i can give you a christian example to many things.

let me remind you since when annexation has become illegal: it was as a result from the second world war to stop wars. didnt stop them from annexing half of german territory right before making it illegal. ur second world war example hence does not hold as an example of an illegal annexation.

and yes i believe they care more about oil than about rocket attacks. look at gazas fishing areas, which just so happen to be decreased and restricted as soon as israel found oil there, not caring for the turmoil they cause by taking their fishing areas.

the people of palestine, are people, who live at the place. and now palestine has country recognition from most UN countries.

its not like no country would take them in as refugees, there are just too many of them to be displaced from their own land. its an entire country being displaced because of the sympathy towards the people displaced from germany, while these same people could have gone anywhere and be recieved with open arms like USA or USSR.

about the iron dome. please see the argument. its not cool to shit in everyones lawn just because ur neighbor shat in your lawn, and do a collective punishment northkorea style.

anti-semitism was introduced from the west. religios discrimination wasnt even a concept before western colonialism and wars. look at pakistan and india for example, they learned from the brittish to discriminate against muslims, and relocated the muslims to pakistan causing conflicts until even today.

native americans are then by your standard squatters. native americans also never had legal right to ground because there was no legal entitiy. yet you argue that the german jews are the true natives there which seems out of this world.

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You waste a lot of my time by jumping all over the place. This is a normal tactic liberals employ. NONE of this has anything to do with the post.

That said, I do NOT approve of flagging, and I have use it sparingly, in Defense only! IF you ran into a conservative flagger, it was likely also used in defense. 100% of the offensive flagging I have seen comes from liberals, as does most violence.

Annexation is just a bleached name for taking by force. I can think of one off teh top of my head I am sure you will approve of...Vietnam.

Oil more important than people? No you are wrong there, you will not be able to buy people until islam takes oner Europe.

100% of the UN recognition you speak of, happened after Israel was formed, and is a direct result of intense hate for Israel. One more reason to dump support for that body!

There is no Arab country that, having thrown them out already as undesirables; will welcome them back! Besides they want to use them to drive Israel into the sea. They were offered coexistence with the Jews when Israel was formed. They refused to 'breath the same air' was the refusal I read.

On Iron dome, you were so busy crapping on this post, you missed the truth that your treasured "palestinians" could make their own Iron dome. They will not, because they put all their hate into rockets to kill Jews!

Anti-Semitism was introduced by Ishmael, and has festered since then. You people made a good stab at it too as I recall; but the hate carried by muslims is visceral and all consuming!

My Wife is half Native American, They are US Citizens, you argument is specious. I do see that you still hate the German Jews, interesting....

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i usually respond to your replies paragraph by paragraph, so i would not say im jumping all over the place. i believe you use a similar method, as the topics remain separated by paragraph

i agree on flagging but even defensive flagging can result in a flag war. if you get flagged you can claim your rewards and reputation back by simply asking to get a countervote from the freezepeach discord channel (sounds like free speech), but they require you to not actively flag... they counter flag all kinds of topics no matter if left or right... even antivaxers (despite them spreading false information and causing a massive amount of harm by doing so and not get vaccinated)...

yes vietnam was a bad annexation and i agree its bad and a lot of things the russians and USA did and supported during the cold war was bad aswell (almost how saudi and iran are today).... the cold war was a proxy war shit show..... but similar to palestinians, south vietnamese have no government that actually represents them... many have fled to germany or chec republic...

islam will not bring slavery to europe period. oil is to governments more important than people, which is why US soldiers also die in the middle east for US's oil conflicts... similar golan, its all about oil. if it wasnt about the oil, then why illegally tap in syrias oil resources in golan occupied territory... israel has no rights over the oil there as the land belongs to syria and is currently occupied by israel...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_recognition_of_the_State_of_Palestine
are you saying south america, africa, east europe and asia hates israel? what did israel ever do to new papua guinea or sweden?

many offers you speak of were either with unfair conditions or when they are agreed on broken to further the expansion of israel. jews lived in harmony next to arabs before and they welcomed the world war refugees (while US was at first not so welcoming and many thought of the jewish refugees similar how you are thinking about the central america refugees at the southern border)... the land wasnt supposed to exist in the first place, but brittain decided otherwiese...

how can palestine make their own iron dome? not even israel made its own iron dome, they bought it from US... u think US would sell an iron dome to palestine? there are only a few countries that can produce that advanced weapons, as weapon production needs continuous research, that only US, russia and europe is willing to invest, while china saves research money by hacking US and copying US weapons...

antisemitism was introduced in some arab nations by hitler and brittish (also westerner)... also catholics... the vatican hates jews for some reason since like always...

then ask your wife when her family was able to get US citizenship.... i believe it was in the 20s when native americans were allowed US citizenship... also compare the land the native americans own with what the immigrants from europe AKA americans own, and now you tell me their ownership of their land was respected????

and i dont see how you see that im supposed to hate german jews, because jews are just normal people just like you and me... i would prefer if israelis came back to germany instead of their government causing havoc in the middle east. there are a few already returning now, but there is still a strong right wing in germany doing anti-jewish attacks unfortunately....

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The international recognition of the State of Palestine has been the objective of the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) since the Palestinian Declaration of Independence proclaimed the establishment of the State of Palestine on 15 November 1988 in Algiers, Algeria at an extraordinary session in exile of the Palestinian National Council. The declaration was promptly acknowledged by a range of countries, and by the end of the year, the proclaimed state was recognized by over 80 countries. As of 31 July 2019, 138 of the 193 United Nations (UN) member states and two non-member states have recognized it. Furthermore, Palestine has been a non-member observer state of the UN since November 2012.As part of an attempt to resolve the ongoing Israeli–Palestinian conflict, the Oslo Accords signed between Israel and the PLO in 1993 and 1995 established the Palestinian National Authority (PNA) as a self-governing interim administration in parts of the West Bank and Gaza Strip.

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I dont understand how you can be against military intervention, while at the same time against the people of honduras, el salvador and guatemala seeking refuge in the USA?


they are seeking refuge because USA's brutal intervention during the cold war... dont you not feel guilt or indebted to them? germany has a strong sense of guilt for all the refugees that had to flee during the second world war, so germany takes in currently 200 000 - 700 000 refugees in per year (we manage quite well despite what fear mongering trump says) while US despite its greater size and population less than 20 000. because of the second world wars jews that fled to america, america signed the geneva convention to not allow refugees to be sent back to conflict zones, despite americas great resentment of that time towards the jews. isnt america not honering the geneva convention also a slap to the face towards the jews that fled during the second world war?

daughter of holocaust survivor talking about american guatemalan military genocide of mayans

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Interesting distortions, the problems in South America are due to socialism that has moved, as it inevitably must; to communism.

The influx that we need to stop, is not legal immigration in the 20,000 range, but invasion against our Laws in the 10 to 20 Million range! How would you people do with even half that number?

These people cross half a dozen countries to come here, they are supposed to seek asylum in the first Country they come to! By the time they cross into the second country, they are no longer at risk, so WHY should we take them in outside normal immigration channels?

I GET it, you hate this country, and live in utopia. Okay fine, be blessed, and you better pray (if you do that) that you are right about the islamic influx you are experiencing! Because if they Are violent, you are done as a country.

Good luck!

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funding terrorism because of the phobia towards communism is why there is taliban in afghanistan, and why there are gang violence in guatemala. yet even today US has not learned from its funding of terrorists.


at the border of california, there used to be 100 per day that were allowed to cross now only 20. hence the number of refugees there accumilated to around 11000. far from millions or the 200 000 germany takes in. even if US takes in 1 million , its with its increased size and population comparable to what germany takes in. if little germany manages 200 000 why US can only handle 20 000 of refugees that were caused by its own military intervention?

sure lets call argue against immigration be redefining all forms over 20 000 to be illegal. but as long as there is no legal way to enter US, then dont be surprised that some go in illegally. that just shows ur legal immigration system fails. trump is actively closing legal immigration channels. what if more than 20 000 are in need for protection? are they not elligible for protection just because they are more of them? if such a huge region is unsafe, it would be suspicious if there were only a few coming wouldnt it?

ofcourse they cross a bunch of countries to reach US, but thats because which of these countries is not affected by gang violence. iraq or afghanistan is safer than these countries atm. things have gotten especially worse on routes for cocain trade, which basically means all of central america. US is currently biggest cocain consumer, which is produced in the andes mountains.

I have nothing against the "islamic influx". i quite like the diversity we are recieving. and US is just strange to me on many levels with many poor decisions, which is why we argue.

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Please tell me how your opinion of US policy towrds Communism effects US education policy in this post.

Your total lack of understanding of our immigration policies is stunning, WE HAVE LEGALLY BROUGHT IN 40 MILLION new citizens!
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/06/17/key-findings-about-u-s-immigrants/

The actual illegal invasion numbers are some where between 3.3 Million, and 25 Million with 20 Million being the closest real number. So your "100 down to 20" is insane! Something else you do Not understand, these people have no intention of becoming an American citizen. They are here to sign up for the free stuff, and to send that cash home. There are seven families living in one house 3 doors down. They send their welfare checks home, intending to follow them when their kids finish school, and live well back home from the free money.

So you have NO IDEA what this is like to be deliberately invaded for profit!

We have significant legal immigration of people who want to be US Citizens, again you are mistaken. 20,000 people wanting to be citizens would be a relief from the Millions who don't

Our largest gang problem is MS-13 who just happen to be illegals. The best FBI Estimate in 2009 was about 10,000 people
https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/fact-check/2018/04/08/how-many-ms-13-gang-members-united-states/426635002/
MANY have come in since then, so maybe this is your 20,000 numbers...

You embrace the islam influx, because you don't study History. So you are doomed to repeat it.

We don't argue, you send me insights for my amusement.

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has warren ever said a little word about the childrape gangs ruling the west? nope, I don't think so...

fuck her, like all the others.

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Firing squad is too good for her for certain!

>:(

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