A Candid Hive Journey Entry #1: A Day in the Life

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         Most of you have seen @hivewatchers reports or @jaguar.force investigations. I figured it's my turn to write about a day in anti-abuse. This is going to be an atypical post, but I hope you might find entertainment and popcorn in this story.

The Background

         Several weeks ago, a memo came into the Discord where dozens of people in anti-abuse hang out.

         At the time, I didn't think too much about it. I recall the group back on Steem. They came well prepared. By well prepared, I meant they jumped on @dlease right away. And they seemed to get around as if they have been on the platform for a while. The funny thing was, the moderators at @BuildTeam found abusing an memo exploit. The @huaren.news group abused their delegation services. But hey, that didn't earn them a permanent loss of privilege of using @dlease.

         In addition, they also created their own fake downvote trail on SteemAuto, now Hive.Vote. Their trail carried over when @mahdiyari ported his services over to Hive.

         They knew about @steemflagrewards and they targeted every user who bought a vote from a bid bot. At the time, SFR had a policy against certain vote buying practices, but not all of them. It soon dawned on me that something was off. They were upvoting every one of their own comments with multiple accounts. This is while they warned people of purchasing votes. This led to a conflict, but it subsided after a short while. It wasn't hard to see that a number of the accounts belonged to one person.

         It's evident that those accounts belonged to a single entity. There are most likely more, but the rabbit hole only goes so deep for now.

The Woods Today

         I recently received a flurry of downvotes from this group. It would appear they have more accounts than I thought. If there's one thing I dislike on this chain, it's someone pretending to be a community. This is usually carried out via controlling dozens of accounts. The anti-abuse initiatives have dealt with several people who operated like that. And let me tell you, it's infuriating.

         They knew the community would frown upon their behavior, but they chose to hide it behind a facade. The likelihood of a bunch of "near zero stake" accounts joining a single downvote trail is dubious.

         Now, looking at their comments, never mind of the insults back and forth against people. Most people do that to some extent. What drew my ire was the bullying behavior demonstrated by @huaren.news.


         In short, @engrsayful joined downvote trails to contribute his part in community moderation. Unfortunately, he caught our perpetrator's attention. He gave the minnow a choice to either follow him or not. But, in the case he chooses to oppose him, the bully would downvote him harder.

         What emboldened this person to proclaim such nonsense?

         What's happening here is someone threatening a small account with LEASED stake. Let that sink in for a moment. We have subsidized downvotes and we would like the community to moderate themselves. But, at the end of the day, small accounts are always targets for retaliatory behavior.

Enter @dlease

         Many of you are familiar with this particular useful service. I don't use it, but plenty of people on Hive love it. It's a great way to earn passive income by leasing their HP.

         There's one problem: @dlease allows anyone to use it with little oversight on how the service is being used.

         To paraphrase @buildteam's stance, @dlease only pairs up delegation buyers and sellers. I guess I can't ask too much from them. What else could they do besides barring an account from using their service? One could make another account and start again. You can't blame the users or the providers. It's impossible to know the context of a person on @dlease unless you dig in yourself. All anyone sees is a ROI percentage.

         The troubling thing is, that means there is nothing in place to prevent malicious uses of leases. In this case, @huaren.news felt justified to bully a minnow because he has over 100K in delegations.

In Contrast with @dbuzz

         How did I get from @dlease to here?

Well, I was telling you a story about my day.

         Dbuzz is an upcoming microblogging dapp on Hive. It's reminiscent of @share2steem. I know, it left a bad taste in some of us and the fear of spam potential is high.

         Unlike its spiritual predecessor, the @dbuzz team is proactive. They reached out to anti-abuse groups for consultation. We exchanged ideas on how to curb abusive behaviors on the dapp. It's a work in progress, but their eagerness was a nice change. As you can see, most people involved in anti-abuse are pretty jaded by this point. But, it does bring a little bit of faith back in the people of Hive for me.

         Point being, one allows almost anything goes and trusts that people wouldn't find ways to abuse it. The other, actively trying to find ways that would disincentivize bad behavior.

Back to the Story

         And what saddens me further is the number of people chasing a minuscule amount of ROI. Had they chose to fill @nealmcspadden's orders, they would only earn 0.1% Hive less. Instead, they take no thought in the matter. So much for being your own bank, eh?

         The following people have enabled @huaren.news' behavior unknowingly. If they feel okay sponsoring poor behavior, so be it.



         Hive has been a place of automation. People not consuming content to people autovoting away most of their stake. Some even set their proxy to questionable characters that lead them into trouble. Does the Hive airdrop reminds us of anyone?

         The community is only as good as the worst type of behaviors we tolerate. Maybe it's just me, but I find it difficult to believe anyone who would go to this guy as a good apple. Take that crap back to Steem please.

         We can do better than this.

         And this is live on Hive. Thanks for reading!



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Cheers! Someone had to say it! They are mostly annoyance than anything else.

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I needed something to write about today anyways.

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Name me one example of a positive use case for HP leasing

I'll wait...

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Pass income for some I guess.

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Yes, but...

I meant what the lease is actually being used for.

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Same thing everyone else does, clicking buttons. Some more automated than others.

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A positive use case would be giving yourself a boost when you're more active than usual, or when you're launching a product/app/service/project.

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The scammers scamming the scammers, that's what I liken it to. In all honesty what are you going to say about a system that is set up whereas people set up bots for a rate of return when they realize no one's going to respond to a word they have to say/write about. It's like sitting there writing "Dear Diary" cause ain't nobody but you going to see it. Once you allow anything to flourish there will always be those who abuse it. Not that it should have been allowed in the first place.

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There’s not much to say but to extract the drama value.

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There isn't much drama here on Hive that I've seen, none that come close to Steemit's hey days during the Bernie and Hijin (or whatever his name was) wars and Steemit was swirling with people back then.

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You are actually right about less drama.

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....and people love drama. If you go to blog sites you see the one's who give people the ax for not being similarly minded in opinions are one's that operate much along the same lines as Steemit and Hive, it's more like a email system, you leave me a comment and I'll leave you a comment. (Hopefully, that might be a bit of a stretch the majority of the time)....compared to going to the ones who allow open debate from all sides they are quite active, especially in the morning hours when new stuff is posted for them to debate about. If you want something to thrive you got to build up excitement whether it's about an issue or trying to sell a product. If you are informed, researched and fast with your fingers I call it going in for the thrill of the chase. Though I have to move around a lot now that Disqus has shut down their internal blogs where conversations taking place in real time happened more frequently than other sites. For that I have to go to the local or national blog sites to find now. In that regard Steemit and Hive are like operating your internet off the old AOL dial up.

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enforcer48,别怂,继续完成一个完整的报告,我等着你! | hive

全文(你 @enforcer48有本事,就别把本留言踩灰了)| Full text (if you @ enforcer48 have the ability, don't downvote this message to un-show)

很感谢、并尊重你,因为你至少能在提及我的时候,用上 @, 这至少比 @joshman 那个偷鸡摸狗的怂货强,提及我都不敢@。

Thank you and respect you very much, because you can at least use @ when mentioning me, which is better than @ joshman's sneaky Coward. I dare not use @ even when mentioning me.

sneaky Coward @joshman
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对了,关于 @engrsayful 被无辜卷入战争,这里有很详细的留言:

By the way, there's a very detailed message about @engrsayful 's innocent involvement in the war:
https://hive.blog/hive-193552/@engrsayful/actifit-engrsayful-20200516t093826187z

我并不会对无辜卷入战争的账号,动用downvote,并且第一时间 立即取消了对 @engrsayful downvote,而你们呢?继续霸凌这种弱小无辜的账号。你为何不给出链接?让大家对比一下,各自是如何对待和尊重弱小无辜的账号?

I will not use downvote on the innocent account involved in the war, and immediately cancel my downvote on @engrsayful 's posts , but what about you? Continue to bully such weak and innocent accounts. Why don't you give a link? Let's compare, how do we treat and respect the weak and innocent accounts?

你是又准备借此要挟 @steemauto ( @mahdiyari ) / @dlease ( @buildteam ) 为你站队?任何提供服务的第三方,都有自己的服务条款,你是想逼他们违反自己的服务条款,无视商业基本道德?你大可以继续,我使用的steem/hive很多,你全部威胁一遍,我的资产就会蒸发!若果你能做得到,那你大爷我,就输得起!

Are you prepared to use this to threaten @steemauto ( @mahdiyari ) / @dlease ( @buildteam ) to stand in line for you? Any third party providing services has its own terms of service. Do you want to force them to violate their terms of service and ignore the basic business ethics? You can continue. I use a lot of steem / hive services. If you threaten them all once, my assets will evaporate! If you can do it, then I, your uncle, can afford to the lose !

不过,让我失望的是,你依然一如既往的搞双重标准,依然用表面上的伪装“伟光正”威逼他人,依然选择性手法歪曲事实,依然像威逼利诱和霸凌弱小。除此之外,你还能做什么?!

However, to my disappointment, you still practice double standards as usual, still use the superficial disguise of "伟光正(Great, glorious, right)" to intimidate others, still selectively distort the facts, still like luring and bullying. What else can you do?!

你要继续,别认怂,别阳伟!steem/hive上没有秘密,你把你能整理的,一次性写个报告出来,我给你一周时间。为了降低你的难度,我已经把我在hive上的相关账号的活动表面化,以便你更容易发现和收集,免得你智商不够,找不全!

You have to go on, don't be terrified, don't Yang Wei! There's no secret on steem / hive. You can write a full report at once if you can. I'll give you a week. In order to reduce your difficulty, I have surfaced the activities of my related accounts on hive, so that you can easily find and collect them, so as to avoid your IQ being insufficient and incomplete!

我会对你的报告,做一个完整的回复和公告!不过,我还是希望像对待正常人一样,给你提一个正常人应该做到的基本要求,正如你们误判他人滥用时需要提交链接证明一样:请把相关的原始信息链接留下来,别光顾着自己选择性手法歪曲事实,而不让别人知道真相的前因后果。

I will make a complete reply and announcement to your report! However, I still hope to give you a basic requirement that a normal person should do just like a normal person, just as you let the other to submit a link proof when you misjudge their abuse: please leave the relevant original information link, do not patronize yourself to selectively distort the truth without letting others know the cause and effect of the truth.

当然,我可能又错了,居然用对正常“人”的要求去要求你,是不是对你的要求有点太高了?如果真如此,那我像所有steem/hive上的人道歉,为不该为难 @enforcer48

Of course, I may be wrong again. I actually use the requirements for normal "people" to ask you. Isn't it a little too high for you? If that's the case, I'd like to apologize to all the people on steem / hive for not embarrassing @ enforcer48.

@enforcer48,别认怂,别阳伟!请你务必继续完成一个完整的报告,我等着你!

@enforcer48, don't be terrified, don't Yang Wei! Please do continue to complete the full report, I'm waiting for you!

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You actually wasted time to respond? Lol

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wasted time? NO! you like report , i like watch your play. I happy for that with downvote you at the same time.

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Very interesting! At lease the downvotes didn't have a huge impact on your rewards. That could have been very bad!

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I keep control of who I delegate to and where my votes go. When I followed trails I found my votes going to some dodgy accounts. I really don't care about what I earn from voting or delegating. It is more important to build a good community that supports worthy people. Greed will get us nowhere. This idiot can flag me if he wants, but we outnumber him by far and have more HP to use between us.

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I am completely agree with that. When i have power, i should not misuse it. I should make money but keeping the community values

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But what can I do now?
I don’t know the steps to recover my account

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