I am the wolf in sheep's clothing

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I get messaged a lot by a lot of people to vote on their content, proposal, or witness. It comes with having stake, and I generally ignore it.

It wasn't until recently I've been asked to stop upvoting people. In the last few weeks this has happened many times, and by a certain group of people. Initially I thought it was a joke but it has become a reoccurring theme.

About four weeks ago or so I had my first, by @enmy. I obliged as but was curious. She contacted me on Discord saying since I started voting her she stopped getting manual upvotes. Being curious I checked if that was the case, and sure enough it was. 99% of her rewards were by @appreciator and @rocky1 and when I voted her they would not. As I thought this was silly, I started to vote her again as I do not like to be told who to vote for and I think this is just silly.

A couple months ago I was asked to do a AMA by her community Rutablockchain in what I felt was a attempt to get me to do curation in their community based on the direction of the questioning. Again I don't like to be told who to vote for but I did add a few of the users I felt were putting in effort, @enmy being one of them.

Shortly after @enmy's request for me to stop voting her, she started to increase her daily posts to 4+ posts a day.

Not long later, I receive messages from multiple other members of Rutablockchain asking me to stop voting them or they will have to post 4+ times a day or quit Hive.

I have received multiple messages similar to the one above from multiple members of the Rutablockchain community (I think around five so far), all in the last few weeks.

@Enmy then logs into HiveWatchers and asks if it is ok if she makes multiple accounts and makes the account enmymente to increase her chances of getting those sweet sweet votes because mine are not big enough.

Then a little bit before this post I receive a message from her asking to stop voting her or she will make a post about me.

These two posts are the result of that threat.

Interestingly enough, if I don't vote on @enmy posts, she really gets nothing unless appreciator or rocky drop their $10+ votes. Many of these are just following mine I believe.

Those two massive circles are my votes for about $3-4 total. I vote most everyone with the same percentage and prefer to not drop massive votes on posts and just provide steady support to authors who put in effort.

Shortly after a few other Rutablockchain members contacted me I noticed appreciator started to mimic my votes with 1% votes on everyone I vote for as some form of retaliation for voting people he votes for. When I approached him he told me he doesn't feel the need to explain it to me.

Appreciator normally votes 8-10% ($10+ typically) and all the 1% votes are troll votes an attempt to go after the curation I do.

While I have heard many claim downvotes are violence, I never thought upvotes would be treated similarly.


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Curious indeed. Comical even.

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I don't know much about this account and I have voted her on only 3-4 times in a whole year. You should verify your facts before claiming anything.

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It isn't the only account but it is largely appreciator votes but not exclusively.

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The true Wolf, smile. I love the name though. Happy new week. Well-done and thanks for always supporting us all. Gratification @rocky1 I followed you

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We have gone in full circle.

Now, people complain about being upvoted.

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Ye its fun, we finally made it! :P

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You were curation snipping almost whole of Hive and most of them are popular authors. You are just whining because you are not able to gain rewards from curation sniping. Now you are complaining why others are doing it, so ironic.

Would you stop telling lies because your so called automated support vanishes into thin air when post's STU becomes more than $2, which show you are mainly concerned for rewards only.

I still don't feel the need to explain anything to you because you cannot make stupid person realize that he is stupid. I expect your puppets to soon appear in comments, without making any sense at all.

Previously, you were complaining about low competition in curation and you are still whining, no surprise there.

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198 unique accounts/week is all of Hive? Wow it's much smaller than I expected. You are voting over 500 unique accounts, more than twice I do. I actually choose who I vote very specifically based on quality and effort not based on their rewards, I vote accounts of all sizes. I don't target "popular authors" and don't vote because it is the best curation rewards. I could likely double or triple my curation rewards if that was my primary concern. I actively review my votes and remove people if they abuse the votes or go down in quality or effort.

I don't use puppets, so any other comments are not my own.

I never complained about low competition in curation, I said your votes focus on no curation competition. There is a difference because in general curation has massive competition.

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Do you OWN those 198 authors? Everyone is free to upvote however they like just like you said.
Can you just stop telling lies again, you do upvote popular authors?

Automated votes on any post do not describe the quality of post because trails are just blind and automatic. I have said it earlier that I won't encourage any curation sniping trails who try to gain more rewards with least effort.

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Do you OWN those 198 authors? Everyone is free to upvote however they like just like you said.

Of course not, that's not the point, the point is you are using your 8M HP to specifically target my votes because you are mad about something (I can only assume I voted someone you vote for and are doing it in spite, especially after the regular messages from people asking me to stop voting them so you can vote them.)

Can you just stop telling lies again, you do upvote popular authors?

Let me rephrase it, I don't specifically vote on popular authors, it's not my criteria, there is no question some of my votes land on them, they are popular for a reason and that's a good thing as it means more curation rewards are burned in the reverse auction. Many of the people I vote became popular over time but were not when I started to vote them. There are hundreds (likely thousand) of popular authors I don't vote on because I don't like their content, they get enough support, or just not my thing, or I just simply haven't discovered them.

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I explained your sole criteria of choosing those authors. They are easy targets for you to gain more curation rewards by sniping and your votes disappear when posts rewards become more than $2.

You also forgot the fact that you are doing curating snipping with 2M HP and that makes you the biggest curation sniper on Hive, just to gain rewards on personal account with delegated stake.

When you don't have any factual answer, you just make your own stupid theories.

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I explained your sole criteria of choosing those authors.

You can explain them all you like doesn't make them facts.

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I explained your sole criteria of choosing those authors. They are easy targets for you to gain more curation rewards by sniping and your votes disappear when posts rewards become more than $2.

curation sniping below 2$? 😳 this must be super effective

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If nobody voted on post with more than 2htu, we wouldn't be having the problems we have now, iyam.

I mean, do curation snipers really need those pennies they take from the poor that bad?

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When did the reverse auction stop feeding into the trending page and start getting burned?

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If I remember correctly it was HF21. The reverse auction was lowered from 30 minutes to 15 minutes and the rewards returned to the pool rather than going towards the author. (Now the reverse auction is 5 minutes).

It doesn't get burned, it gets returned to the pool (to payout to rewarded content) similar to declined rewards, subtle but significant difference.

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Ok, that is what I had recorded in the ol' memory bank.
Reverse auction rewards go the biggest receivers of rewards and are not burned.

that's a good thing as it means more curation rewards are burned in the reverse auction.

That had me confused.

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Yes, here is a good example.

The other day I was looking at a post that was $36, with 50/50 rewards that is $18 for the author and $18 for the curators. The final numbers were more like $18 to author and $13 to curators due to the reverse auction.

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Can you point me to where I track who takes the most out of the pool?

@statsmonkey used to show the top 10 votes taking ~25% of the daily rewards, is somebody tracking those numbers?

The reason I ask is about how the reward from the reverse auction, and flags, goes mostly to the top earners.

Is there somewhere I can see what percentage of the pool is going to whom, and in what proportion?

Or do I just need to learn/purchase code scripts to pull it myself?

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@dalz does a lot of reports that show this information, I highly recommend following him if you have any interest.

I can generally pull any information as needed but he does publish a lot of this information regularlly.

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Yes, I have him on one of my autovoters.

Can I get that data without an sql subscription?

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Thanks, I found that post of dalz's, it was pretty complete.

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I'm also wondering how much that first curator returns to the fortunate few.

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I forget the exact numbers, but the first few (I believe five) curators have an advantage of earning more rshares than their stake allows, but they also give up the largest portion to the reverse auction. I never actually checked this or looked at the code related to it, but it is what I always heard in the past.

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So, if I have a .01 immediate vote, what does that do to subsequent votes?
If that first votes sends nearly everything back, how much of the large vote is lost to that?

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To you as an author, it makes no difference. To the curator who votes they will lose nearly all their curation rewards for voting immediately.

If I vote on a post at 0 min + 1 block I will forfeit nearly 100% of my curation rewards but the author would get the full author share. If I vote that same post at 5 mins I would not forfeit any of my rewards but I will get less curation as many people voted before me and I can’t earn curation on any vote unless it is after mine.

There is a compromise that needs to be made. How much? Varies every post.

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To you as an author, it makes no difference.

Well, if I cared nothing of my curators, maybe,...

I'm not worried about the money I am getting, I would have to go back to using FBA if I were, only the money that is getting pocketed from the pockets of folks that really need it.

When large accounts take out, literally, thousands of usd each month, it comes from the pennies that the poor would have gotten, but now can't get because the gaping maws of some folks, most of the largest earners here, needed it more.

If I vote on a post at 0 min + 1 block I will forfeit nearly 100% of my curation rewards but the author would get the full author share. If I vote that same post at 5 mins I would not forfeit any of my rewards but I will get less curation as many people voted before me and I can’t earn curation on any vote unless it is after mine.

Allow me to clarify my question.

If I have a .01 initial vote at nearly 0 minutes, how is the 3htu vote that comes in later, after the window closes, affected by that?

That vote clearly won't get its 1.5htu because there were votes before it.
Where does that .01 top out at?
What percentage of that larger vote goes back to the trending authors?

I know curation can be used to deny rewards to my voters, my question is of the impact of small immediate votes on the return of later voters.
Is it large enough to be concerning, or inconsequential?

Curation is a broad, blank area of how to play this game.
Not much light has been shined on it since I got here, that I recall.

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Generally it makes almost no difference as it is so small.

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Ok, so that .01 vote only pulls so much from the curation pool, even with the early voting curve.
I sure would like to see that broke down like this.

Did we run that guy off?

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I am not sure how much of an advantage voting early is in terms of the first five voters, I think it might be something like double your stake but I am not 100% sure, either way that's not enough to make a 0.01 vote really all that significant in the post as a whole.

Not sure what happened, I don't think it was anything dramatic, just likely bored or busy. He was a good content producer.

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Looks like to the fork took him out.
Just another day in the adventure that is hive, I guess.
Thanks for the insights.

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doesn't make much sense to me

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Hmm. Interesting and a bit sad to complain about upvotes, also bit of a gamble to relie on getting "big upvotes" instead of consistent small upvotes.

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I feel bad for people who are so desperate they decide to rely on posting mediocre content on Hive, but I wish more people would produce content for the sake of producing content. A lot of those people doing it entirely for the rewards are so formulaic.
As for curators, the system is set up to be gamed, so this issue makes sense. It was designed long before free downvotes were allowed, maybe it's time to adjust how it works so curators can go back to curating based on quality and not efficiency.

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omg, what a weird and funny story, but it somehow makes sense thx to the detailed explanation 😂

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The one thing these people may not realize is that even when appreciator hits them up for a large amount it's still only one person seeing your post, not the 200 people that follow the appreciator curation trail. The dollars on the post mean almost nothing, it's engagement on said posts that mean the most in my opinion. Just look at the engagement on your posts compared to the average user. Even I'm hella bad at engaging in other users content or comments on my own.

Also, this may explain why 3 of my last posts got really small appreciator updoots along with yours!

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I promise not to complain if you upvote my posts! Much as I like the curation trail and autovote rewards my posts seem to generate reliably, I mainly write because I hope to get people to read and respond. I'd rather have lower rewards and higher real engagement if that is a tradeoff I ever have to accept.

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Yup that's what I'm after as well. For some reason I find that Hive is one of the platforms I get the least engagement from.

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What seems worse to me is the attitude of these people, how can they be so ungrateful? Obviously if you get more profits it is better, but their attitude seems pathetic to me, maybe you do not like attitude the whales', but theirs seems worse to me, many would like to have your vote and they instead for avaricious they whine, they don't care that they really value their posts for their content, they just want high votes.

I do not publish for long periods of time because I do not me fill a simple value in the post, I would like interaction in them, that people interested in the subject would comment and a pleasant conversation could develop, but most of them are only focused on obtaining profits and not in making community.

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People who are only here to beg for handouts don’t appreciate anything because they aren’t actually working for it to know the value.

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I had to read twice and study some of the mentioned players (Venezuelan people can support a family with some dollars each day); I looked at some of the curation % (yours and appreciator) but honestly still do not understand the big picture.

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So much drama on the blockchain. Down-vote wars and now up-vote wars. It never ends. I'll probably get residual backlash just from commenting on this lolol.

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And I thought upvote wars would happen on Blurt instead.

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This Hive drama is one of our biggest strength yet our Achilles heel.

Upvoting content is the easiest thing to do. You don't have to go in-depth about effort, formatting etc...

Do you enjoy reading the content? Good. Leave a vote. It costs nothing.

All this drama about reward snipping to maximize curation rewards is just nuts.

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Vote my post I will follow you!
Ahahahahaha. How things have changed.

I'm having a problem wrapping my head around this whole deal. Seriously.

It does seem to explain some of the tags I've been mystified by.

I maintain that if you are posting for the rewards you are in the wrong business. Posting for the content and accepting the rewards that come is a lot more satisfying.

Thanks for all you do. Really.

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I always find it hilarious that a certain society screams for freedom yet begs for handouts because they are unwilling to work for what they have.

I took an educated guess at the nationality and gender before reading past the link (saw the topic in discord) and was not at all wrong.

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Whenever I see things like this I feel like that these talks of removing blogging inflation rewards on layer one make more and more sense

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well you will get all this on a second layer, if we assume that second layer tokens will have any worth. some of them at least.

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Yes you would but thats at least where you can have competition and game theory so people will jump to the token they like best and keep projects trying to drive value to keep users attention and user growth

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but then that needs to happen yesterday. there is no sense to let people write all over the internets about something that will not exist in 6 months. and then ask them again to write about something new, so they could build some new created token from the ground.
i feel that the social part of this coin is undervalued by some, or maybe it is just my illusion.

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I'm shocked at how right ned's ideas were.
Doesn't excuse the kneecapping of us and selling us down the river, but he did make some good judgement calls on some things.
I'm still waiting on smteees!™ nearly 4 years after they were proposed.

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I think he saw from the data that one token was not going to suit all the use cases and it was just the first one and would need to be augmented eventually, we're clearly finding this out the hard way

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As much as I denied it, walling ourselves off in our own little spheres may be the only way to make this work.
If we were forced to work out our differences it may be better overall for the world, but it won't likely build a place for 'the popular' crowd to come and pee on little people.

Not that that was my intention from the start, but it may reflect the feelings of some, as demonstrated by their otherwise inexplicable behaviors.

We haven't dumped all the stake that was acting only to further their own interests rather than build something that changes the world.

Greed is still killing off the newbs.

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What happened to being grateful and appreciative of any vote you receive. I just don't get it and cherish every vote I receive. From what you are saying is that some users just expect to receive no matter what they post. If you are consistently doing decent posts and are putting effort into what you do then it is up to the community to vote. I find it crazy that some accounts wont vote because you have voted and is totally the wrong attitude to have. I am happy you have been supporting me as otherwise I would be on $2 possibly per post and you do make Hive a better experience for me. The only rule I have for voting anyone is whether they are powering down every month or so as I believe one should be growing their account during these times.

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Weirdness. I do get rocky/appreciator upvotes - and they're some of my best payouts (obviously)... but I do not get them on every single post - and I'm sure that's true for most people who get their upvotes. I do not complain when upvotes come from the "wrong" source (unless it gets me into the middle of a whale war, anyway,) so feel free to visit me, lol.

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Lemme guess, this is all about curation rewards, right? Unless I don't understand it. Why would appreciator doesnt want to vote on a post you've upvoted if it's not about curation? All these would change when smt launches and hbd/hive is removed from layer zero, or whatever it is called.

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It's funny, an interesting episode, but of course curation, like automated trading, is an arms race. It is a fight for curation rewards, and this algorithmic competition does seem to manifest in weird ways.

Scale is its own challenge, and it seems like you have reached an ironic point where authors don't want your votes.....of course they can't stop you from giving them either!

Good luck with the tough choice, in my personal opinion this is one of the disincentives for being a whale.

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Some whales really act like arses. Is this some effort to maximise curation rewards? Their bad voting is harming Hive, but I guess they are rich enough to not give a shit.

My own strategy is to vote less on posts that already have several dollars as there are others who struggle to make a dollar despite having quality content.

I wrote that lack of engagement could kill Hive, but so could greed. I am pretty happy with what I make even if it's less that others.

Money talks and those with power are free to do what they want.

Thanks for caring.

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As I wrote in a recent post (we had a discussion there) the problem would be solved if it wasn't a disadvantage anymore to upvote late.

When I see great content but the well known profit maximizers have voted already, I ask the authors to write comments under their posts which I can upvote to support them without increasing the curation rewards of the early auto voters who even don't read any posts. :)

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The five minute thing seems wrong to me as you are unlikely to discover and read a post within that time. Those of us who vote manually should avoid adding to posts that were hit by the auto-voters. I get that those do add some value, but they don't care about the content and they can encourage junk posts. Maybe the algorithm could get tweaked again, but I don't know what the ideal version would be. Of course nothing is ever perfect, but we should seek to be better.

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Are you familiar with Benford's Law?

It can be used to identify fraudulent data and fraudulent accounts and artificial voting patterns.

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I'm aware of it, but not sure how it would apply here. The issue is not necessarily fraud, but more about how manual interaction can stand a chance of earning better. Automated systems can always be quicker than humans, but they are unlikely to be as smart.

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Benford's law has been used to identify fake accounts on twitter by collecting the number of followers of suspicious accounts and then collecting the number of followers each of those followers has and running that as a data-set against Benford's law.

I think something like that would be very useful for HIVE.

And as far as timing votes for profit, I believe all votes should be equally weighted no matter who votes or what time they vote.

The "band-wagon" votes are toxic (gamified for profit only).

AND, when I first joined, there was a view counter. The consensus on why it was taken away was due to complaints POB was dead and posts with hundred(s) of votes only had like 3 or 4 views. From bidbots to autovoters it was obvious most of the highest paid posts received very few actual eyes on them. LINK

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Fake accounts are not as big an issue for Hive as they need some HP behind them to make any difference. Strategic voting is toxic if it does not take account of actual content.

The views number was not accurate enough to be useful. I tend to judge posts by the real interaction they get. Anyone can get hundreds of tiny votes, including me.

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I'd still really like to see page views over 20 seconds.

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Perhaps,

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I don't know if we can reliably measure views across the various Hive dapps. In the old days there was just Steemit.

I'll judge the interest in a post by the comments it gets rather than the votes.

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Even so, some view-time statistics are better than no data.

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Me suena amor puro y sincero.

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Lol as a regular user I have noticed that when one curator upvotes you, generally the others do not.

Most “curators” on hive act like e-thugs fighting over territory. It’s like one one screams ”those are my DSL” and the other screams “DONT COCKBLOCK ME” and they're both trying to ram the tonsils until their tips touch.

I personally prefer 200 upvotes for $0.30 rather than 12 for $15. Success can’t be measured in quantity of payout if nobody is really reading it and is following a flawed rubric that determines if the blogger is a real person or not. Besides all that a real blogger doesn’t give a shit how much he makes.

I can attest that Marky votes whether another curator votes you or not.

I think the bigger issue is that people are taking advantage of Venezuelans and using them to generate curation rewards while giving them a payout of $0.50 because they know they can keep them coming back by threatening to take that vote away. Kicking the scared and hungry person is cool nowadays. It's like Hive's version of bum fights.

Well played, Stalin.

https://historyaddicted.com/stalin-plucked-a-live-chicken-to-make-a-metaphor-for-dumb-people/

Opportunistic as fuck and a shitty way to conduct “business.”

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To be honest, it is a situation that I had already noticed, in my case, for a long time, no matter how hard I try I don't get good upvotes, the accounts you mention once or twice voted for me so I don't really care about their actions, I am grateful for your support and recognition of my effort, luckily there are accounts that don't care only about winning curation rewards, and give upvote because the content is good, like a social network, without the ambition in their acts.

I know you only give upvote to people who deserve it, not to those who beg you or always comment in your posts looking for your support, I almost never comment, but this time I can't keep in silent, thanks @themarkymark

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Hola, estoy muy impresionada con esta publicación, lo que me obliga a recapitular toda esta novela de una ballena y un pequeño pez. ¿Qué puedo hacer? empezaré por responder algunos puntos aquí.

Primero: Si, le pedí que por favor retirara su voto automático de mi cuenta @enmy, se lo hice saber de la forma más respetuosa posible. A lo que usted me dijo que no, porque las cuentas @roky1 y @appreciator y otras cuentas me votaban. Le dije que no entiendo a que se refiere. En vista que no lo quitó, lo dejé tranquilo. Pienso que usted revisa constantemente mi blog y se percata que lo estoy haciéndolo bien.

Segundo: Si, soy miembro de @rutablockchain y Si, lo invitamos a un AMA. (Como a muchos otros usuarios, allí han asistido incluso personalidades que no están en HIVE) Jamás pedimos votos a ningún usuario, esos programas solo se hacen para acercar a usuarios importantes con la comunidad hispana. Mis opiniones personales sobre usted, no tienen nada que ver con @rutablockchain, que es un proyecto donde participan más personas, NO ES MI PROYECTO, como usted trata de mostrar.

Aquí está grabado todo el programa, donde jamás pedimos votos, y la comunidad que asistió fue quien hizo las preguntas.

https://peakd.com/hive-148441/@rutablockchain/ruteros-especiales-con-themarkymark

Tercero: Sí, algunos días he públicado hasta 4 post, te explico para qué: llamar tu atención y quites tu voto automático. Te invito a que veas mis publicaciones y le des el verdadero valor de un curador, de una ballena.

Cuarto: Sí, fui a HiveWatchers, porque mi usuario fuera de HIVE es @enmymente y desde hace tiempo cree la cuenta, justo para hacer un tutorial sobre el link de referido. Importante, allí no votabas mis publicaciones y el AMA donde fuiste invitado ya tenía casi 2 meses de haber ocurrido.

https://peakd.com/hive-181335/@enmy/yvxhyooq

Lo que menos entiendo: usted también me vota automáticamente en @EnmyMente. ¿Acaso es tan importante mi contenido o es algo personal?

Sobre sus imágenes del post.

Su imagen principal, cada quien sabe lo que es, no tengo nada que decir.

Claramente se ve que es Usted es quien promueve el círculo de votos. Yo solo elaboro contenido.

Esos usuarios que menciona, ninguno son miembros de @rutablockchain.

Para finalizar:

Es muy extraño para mí todo esto porque según en su post observo dos cosas:

Primero, usted hace parecer que yo estoy molesta por su voto automático, y lo curioso es que sigo publicando para que usted y yo ganemos de ese contenido.

Segundo, usted está molesto por mi actitud y me sigue votando, lo acabo de notar en mi último post de hace algunos minutos.

Yo no puedo hacer nada contra una ballena, mis 3000HP no es relevante en este contexto.

Haga lo que desee... si alguien puede detener su dictadura de votos automáticos no seré yo con mis 3000HP. Pero si en mis manos estuviera ya hubiese adelantado algunas cosas.

Por otra parte, si toda esta energía la dedica a promover mejoras para HIVE, será más productivo y exitoso.

También te escribí: que te pediria en un post que me eliminaras tu voto automático, aprovecho para solicitarlo y que vote mi contenido de forma manual. Como la cuenta "curadora" que entiendo es.

Hi, I'm very impressed with this publication, which forces me to recapitulate this whole novel of a whale and a small fish. What can I do? I'll start by answering a few points here.

First: Yes, I asked you to please remove your automatic vote from my account @enmy, I let you know in the most respectful way possible. To which you said no, because the @roky1 and @appreciator accounts and other accounts were voting for me. I told you I don't understand what you mean. Since he didn't take it down, I left him alone. I think that you are constantly checking my blog and you realize that I am doing it well.

Second: Yes, I'm a member of @rutablockchain and Yes, we invited you to an AMA. (Like many other users, even non-HIVE personalities have attended) We never ask for votes from any user, those programs are only made to bring important users closer to the Hispanic community. My personal opinions about you, have nothing to do with @rutablockchain, which is a project where more people participate, IT IS NOT MY PROJECT, as you try to show.

Here is recorded the whole program, where we never asked for votes, and the community that attended was the one that asked the questions.

https://peakd.com/hive-148441/@rutablockchain/routeros-especial-con-themarkymark

Third: Yes, some days I have published up to 4 posts, I explain why: to draw your attention and take away your automatic vote. I invite you to see my publications and give them the true value of a healer, of a whale.

Fourth: Yes, I went to HiveWatchers, because my user outside of HIVE is @enmymente and since some time ago I created the account, just to make a tutorial about the referral link. Important, there you did not vote my posts and the AMA where you were invited was almost 2 months old.

https://peakd.com/hive-181335/@enmy/yvxhyooq

The last thing I understand: you also automatically vote for me in @EnmyMind. Is my content so important or is it something personal?

About your post images.

Your main image, everyone knows what it is, I have nothing to say.

Clearly you are the one promoting the voting circle. I just make content.

Those users you mention, none of them are members of @rutablockchain.

To conclude:

It's very strange for me all this because according to your post I observe two things:

First, you make it seem like I'm upset about your automatic voting, and the funny thing is that I keep posting so that you and I win from that content.

Second, you are annoyed by my attitude and you keep voting for me, I just noticed it in my last post a few minutes ago.

I can't do anything against a whale, my 3000HP is not relevant in this context.

Do what you want... if anyone can stop your dictatorship of automatic voting it won't be me with my 3000HP. But if it were up to me, I would have already made some progress.

On the other hand, if you devote all this energy to promoting improvements for HIVE, you will be more productive and successful.

I also wrote you: I would ask you in a post to eliminate your automatic vote, I take this opportunity to request it and to vote my content manually. As the "curator" account I understand it is.

Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator

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Ah no pana, lo tuyo es obsesivo... Diría que estas enamorado, pero dudo que esa sea tu razón de ser un pesado

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Some people just need to complain. I appreciate all of the votes that I receive from you. I am not cool enough for @appreciator or @rocky1 votes, and they seem to be voting on content that doesn't get votes otherwise, so they can maximize their curation.

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man, no matter what you post you always get votes well over $2, so shut the fuck up, because even if you post a picture of two dogs fucking, it still has more reward than a post that actually takes effort, you stupid hypocrite

https://hive.blog/photography/@derangedvisions/they-are-dorks

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put that meme on your blog and you're sure to get over $10 in votes, you, buildwhale and the rest of your circlejerk

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It probably would, but you are free to flag all my posts if it will make you feel better.

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It is unfortunate that some do not understand that everyone is free to decide who to vote for or not. This is a sign of disrespect and a lack of understanding of what HIVE means.

Some time ago something similar happened with Tipu's vote, I did not agree either. I hope that we can all reflect and behave as members of a true ecosystem, HIVE.

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You know why they complained you are such a bullshit artist. It even says in the post that you linked that they are against automated voting.

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It's always about the rewards.

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This is a post about the failure of the 5 minute pile-on window.

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Wow fighting over which whale votes for you ? I remember the days when people were happy just to get any whale to vote for them and we fought against the bid bots. Amazing how far we have come.

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pick a whale to vote for you. that is a nice option to have :D
maybe people will start downvoting themselves to counter the whale vote that they don't like :D

to be honest i think 12 to 14% Curation APR is a decent one, and it needs some effort do get, so both parties in this are doing a good job at it. (i assume, as i never got to calculations about that)

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Yep. I 'only' get 8-9% APR for curation as I follow a few of the smaller photography curation trails (photofeed, photocircle, travelfeed, and some others etc) to try and help the photography community get some rewards. In the long run building robust communities is the key to success here. People worrying about a +/- a few % APR here and there is so irrelevant for a coin which could go down to zero or 50x in the next 2 years.

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i think my biggest trail is on a local community that kinda fell apart, but there are some people still posting, and i am maybe 3-4 biggest vote in that trail. everything else is scrolling through my feeds. big active communities could be the key.

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Yep. I simply don't have the time to be that active so the best I can do with my HP is support some projects that I think are worthwhile.

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Here are things that are not being made clear, this is not about who you receive the vote or the amount but how you receive it.

Marky gave it an approach that only shows one side of the coin, and I know that many will not like my comment but I will anyway, I am new to the hive I am 5 months old I have received an appreciator vote and from other whales I never I have complained about them ... I entered the hive for the work of incorporation of Rutablockchain I was used to making my publications I struggled in each publication to get a vote from a whale.

I come from the world of commission sales, I have never had a fixed salary, I don't like it, so publishing and seeing who voted and commented on my content created excitement and motivated me.

But one fine day I realized that when I posted 4 minutes after posting I received a vote from Marky, I did not understand it until I was told that I received an automatic vote, I was flattered, but then I noticed that unlike Appreciator the which on several occasions left a comment on a publication, from Marky I did not receive it, this confused me if my content is good to assign an automatic vote. Why is it not read?

So I decided to make a post stating that I don't like automatic votes, hoping they would pay attention to me because I'm not receiving them because I'm evaluating my content, it's just a bot that goes and votes, I hoped Marky would read it and it was not. .. if it were read as it says, I would have noticed that my post said no to automatic voting.

https://peakd.com/hive-148441/@berlissanoja/a-rookie-s-impressions-of-hive-compared-to-the-other-centralized-networks-impresiones-de-una-novata-sobre-hive-comparada-con-las

You say that you were invited to an AMA on Rutablockchain to vote for their authors, so I have a question why only the authors who were the most popular and received the highest votes were the ones who got an automatic vote for their part?

And the truth has been several whales have gone to the Rutablockchain Discord and none of them have assigned an automatic vote to any of us only you, so do not excuse yourself with that.

You were invited to the Rutablockchain Discor so that new users could learn more about the platform, how it works and who the whales were.

And if I wrote to him on Discor and before writing I said I am going to appeal to his human side, after being ignored I wrote to him explaining my reasons, which are these that are here.

The fact that I live in Venezuela does not mean that I want things to be given to me, if the situation is difficult, but enough to say that we only want to live off the rewards ... because whoever lives with that amount sees my future rewards.

I am a tourist advisor, what I do in Hive in a month, I get it at my work in less than a week.

I'm on Hive because I like creating content.

I know Enmy brought me to the platform and if you check her healing trail you will see that not only did she receive an appreciator vote, there are many things she is omitting.

Esto no se trata de si recibimos un voto suyo o uno de appreciator ni de la cantidad del voto esto se trata de que esta asignado votos automáticos y quizás a muchos les encante la idea y digan ¿por que te quejas?

Me quejo porque me encanta esta plataforma y los votos automáticos solo crean un círculo de votación que favorece a pocos usuarios.

Esa mierda ya la vivo en mi país donde solo unos cuantos se benefician y el pueblo muere.

Así que no nos hagas ver como unos villanos que nos estamos aprovechando de la colmena por 10$ en una publicación o 2,30$ en otra.

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As I thought this was silly, I started to vote her again as I do not like to be told who to vote for and I think this is just silly.

Do not vote my posts!

...
Aww. This the kind of post i like to read while im sipping on my beer and just chilling. Its like that last page article in the news paper with a funny story about a bunny being best friends with a puppy. A feel good story.
Funny Hive drama is just that. 😂

What makes it even funnier is that appreciator downvoted the post. haha

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This goes to show the gaming on the platform. I see rocky and especially appreciator voting crap based from certain countries and ignoring good content from other areas. I also notice appreciator votes mostly women and votes the prettiest one's at a high percentage, even though the content is mediocre or worse.

This type of curation is what drives users away and keeps good quality content creators from joining. I myself have stopped creating, because there's little quality content to keep me occupied. This means I have little reason to check in.

This also shows the selfishness and greed in the Community you mention and they don't deserve your or any support from the greater Hive community.

I hope this gamification is addressed in the future and a better distribution algorithm can be created.

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5 minute window needs to go. Voting hotties though, that can stay :P

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Point one is a start, but won't address enough of the issue and pt2- I wouldn't have expected from you, lol😂

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I've had a week off, need to get back into character :)

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Another reason for the 5 minute pile-on to be sent to room 101.

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Vote for whoever you wanna vote for bro.

I've been on hive since the beginning first few weeks and i still have no idea how upvoting, curating and how to get popular even works.

I'm only here because i like being engaged with people from around the world and makes my existence richer and less lonely.

I post stuff i like and think others may like. If i get a vote great. If not whatever. I upvote anybody whos post i like. I like it i vote it. If not i move on. Im baffled by all this drama.

Hive is here to augment your life not make it. Its here to share your life and interact with other. Or at least i thought thats what community is all about. But what do i know. Im a noob to all this. I cant even figure out discord. Im like an old man on there. Do what now... Click this. Wait now where am i. Help. No seriously i need help figuring out discord.

To me i see very little rhyme or reason to most of the mega upvoted posts. Half the time the posts have very little in them. I dont get it. But you know what. I dont need to. Im here to post and support posts (most of which are random) of people i do like on a per post basis. Granted im a zygote or whatever they call us here. And my upvote is worth next to nothing. But the point of my upvote is to say. Hey i read what you took the time to write and i appreciated it.

Ok rant from a hive nobody finished.

Tl;dr. Markymark. Vote on whoever the hell you want. Its your vote. The only reasoning you need is your own.

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I can’t believe this kind of things could actually happen, there’s a lot of ignorance about the fact of being voted or not.

I prefer to being SUPPORTED than UPVOTED, I’ve never complain about any upvote that I receive, in HIVE I receive a lot of upvotes from many people, whales, big and small fishes, sometimes my posts just made $4, this week I made almost $30 approximately On every post and all has been for my effort.

@theycallmedan and you @themarkymark has been the whales that have supported me the most, I’ve never received a vote from @rocky1 and just recently I started to receive upvotes from @appreciator but I can’t complain about it, any upvote to me is a blessing and I really enjoy it the most!

Because there must be a reason why I’m receiving those votes and you explained in here, you actually LIKE the post you automatically upvote.

Is easy to complain about the work that a whale do until you’re one, so I just want to say that this is not the whole Hispanic thinking about your work.

I’m totally disagree to make content for HIVE just for catch some WHALE upvotes, I work on my content to people to enjoy it, the reward is to be known as a quality content creator, not to be millionaire.

I really hate that kind of thoughts because that’s the main reason why people hate latins, because of that stupid malice that always makes us be saw as people that think about what’s more worthy for us and don’t look what’s actually happen on the outside.

I’m sorry for this, I’m really sorry about it.

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Hola.... sabes que, a quién menciona en este post el Sr. @themarkymark es a mi @enmy.

Quien viene desde Steem, quien ha generado muchos post aquí y con buen contenido... quien nunca ha hecho power down, ni tampoco abandoné a HIVE para disfrutarme los pocos dólares exprimidos aquí. Esa soy yo, con quien te sentaste una vez a crear planes para proyectos que nunca se dieron. Entonces leer tu post me llena de emociones y la que más aflora es la tristeza. Yo no pido un voto, no lo hice, ni lo haré.

¿Tienes idea del daño que hace el voto automático? No solo al creador de contenido, se lo hace a HIVE a la blockchain.

Aquí hay muchos comentarios de personas que no ocupan ni un solo de mis pensamientos, pero leer tu post no pude evitar detenerme y comentarte.

Mi trayectoria desde steem y ahora en HIVE es promover HIVE, lograr que esta plataforma sea donde todos quieren estar. No sólo por la monetización de sus publicaciones sino porque se sienten libres, en comunidad.

Dime: dónde está tu libertad y la mía cuando te colocan un voto automático mediante el uso de un bot? Déjame decirte que no tienes, y tampoco revisan tu contenido para saber si es o no bueno.

El problema es que yo quiero libertades y otros quieren controlar y muchos están acostumbrados al control por los modelos que ya conocemos.

En vez de agradecer un voto, yo agradezco que desarrollen en la blockchain de HIVE herramientas que hagan de la plataforma lo diferente. Lo mismo lo encontraremos en todos lados.

Ya lo planteé en otro post. Que se hagan acuerdos entre curadores y creadores para ser votados de forma automática, que sean solicitadas por un tiempo y que una de las partes tenga la libertad de librarse de ese voto cuando lo desee. No esta dictadura de votos automáticos.

Yo no pido que no me vote, le pido que retire su voto automático y que cure manual. Como otros usuarios, que he tenido post de 5 días y pasan y lo votan porque les gustó lo ve.

Dime: ¿Crees difícil una curación manual para una ballena?
¿Será difícil hacer un equipo de curación manual?

Te dejo esas interrogantes...

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@enmy sé que fuiste tú quién fue mencionada y yo te aprecio muchísimo, por eso me pareció extraño y me hizo sentir bastante mal.

Entiendo tu punto y tienes razón en el hecho de que si quieres renunciar al apoyo de un curador o quieres que cambie su estilo de votar estás en tu derecho de hacerlo y lo aclaraste totalmente, ahora, lo que debe hacer él es retirar su voto automático.

Yo soy objetivo, me afecta ver que una persona se enfoque en dejar de recibir apoyo de unos por querer recibir apoyos de otros más grandes solo por pensar en el hecho de una recompensa, y disculpa si peco de ignorante o de osado por querer asumir algo sin tener las pruebas fehacientes pero no veo otra razón posible de este hecho y de haberla (cosa que de verdad quiero y deseo) me gustaría saberla.

El problema verdaderamente radica en la ballena grande que no te quiere votar porque otra ballena te vota de forma automática, y ese es un problema interno del cuál nunca nos enteraremos.

Ahora, yo quiero que me expliques de qué forma el voto automático (de manera orgánica, es decir, basándote en un criterio de que la persona que te gusta hace contenido bueno todo el tiempo, entonces en lugar de votarlo manual de manera recurrente, prefiero votarlo automáticamente porque confío en que siempre hará un buen contenido) le hace daño a la plataforma, yo utilizo votos automáticos con las personas que confío que harán un buen trabajo porque maximizan mis recompensas de curación ya que:

  1. Estos autores son increíbles y sé que siempre van a generar buenas recompensas
  2. Confío demasiado en sus trabajos

Obviamente, establezco ciertos parámetros como el hecho de votar una sola vez al día porque yo jamás he estado de acuerdo con postear más de una vez al día, sin embargo, respeto que las personas posteen como mejor les plazca y si son apoyados pues me alegro demasiado.

Entonces, yo pienso que las cosas no hay que prohibirlas mi querida Enmy, hay que debatirlas. Este voto automático no se recibe por pagar (como se hacía en Steemit y por eso se dañó la plataforma), se recibe por hacer un buen trabajo.

Y la cuestión es que hay que agradecer todo, no tomar una postura sesgada hacia un solo lado porque todo está bien, recibir votos es genial, las herramientas son geniales, el trabajo debe ser el mismo siempre.

Entonces, te dejé una interrogante también para que la respondas y te responderé las tuyas:

¿Crees difícil una curación manual para una ballena?

Bastante, porque para poder obtener un ROI óptimo, tendrían que distribuir demasiado sus votos manuales y es una actividad que no es nada sencilla y bastante tediosa, te lo digo yo porque cuando recibí los 20k de STEEM POWER para curar contenido venezolano, hice un trabajo de curación manual donde visité más de 120 publicaciones y las comenté de forma ORGÁNICA, es decir, me tomé al menos 5 minutos para buscar algo que verdaderamente me llamara la atención de la publicación para apoyarlo, es decir, a lo sumo pasé 700 minutos curando, lo que se traduce en 10 horas de mi vida curando contenido, no es una tarea nada sencilla y ellos deben hacer ese trabajo pero multiplicado exponencialmente, sin embargo, muchos lo hacen y se les aplaude, pero así como tú estás en tu derecho de decirle que deje de otorgar su voto automático, él está en su derecho de votarte automáticamente porque eres un buen autor.

¿Será difícil hacer un equipo de curación manual?

Depende, porque los intereses de cada ballena son diferentes y es probable que a algunos les convenga hacerlo y a otros no.

Entonces, yo pienso que verdaderamente acá el problema radica en esos temas extraños personales entre las ballenas de votar o no votar dependiendo de si otra ballena nos curó o no, eso es lo que no tiene sentido porque se supone que si a ti te gusta el contenido, independientemente de quién lo haya votado, tú lo vas a votar.

Ahora ¿el motivo? Nunca lo sabremos...

Y ojo, la verdadera libertad siempre va a estar en nuestra propia inversión, porque mientras hagamos vida acá y no seamos ballenas, no tendremos verdadera libertad como creadores.

Por eso es mejor compartir que competir.

Disculpa si mi sinceridad te pareció ruda o te molestó, pero hay momentos en los que no estaremos de acuerdo y yo siempre apostaré por decir la verdad.

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Tu sinceridad es perfecta. Ni una sola de tus palabras me afecta, pero es mi deber responder. Yo no acabo de llegar aquí. Yo he estado aquí, y no estoy pensando en el voto para mi. Yo pienso en el voto para toda la comunidad. Además hoy soy la voz de muchos usuarios que por miedo a represalias, hoy no están aquí comentando este post.

Programar un bot a los 5 minutos no es curar, y tu lo sabes.

me afecta ver que una persona se enfoque en dejar de recibir apoyo de unos por querer recibir apoyos de otros más grandes solo por pensar en el hecho de una recompensa, y disculpa si peco de ignorante o de osado por querer asumir algo sin tener las pruebas fehacientes pero no veo otra razón posible de este hecho y de haberla (cosa que de verdad quiero y deseo) me gustaría saberla.

¿Te afecta?¿Cómo? Y dónde estoy pidiendo votos a uno o al otro 🤣 de verdad no sabes el contexto de nada. Dime dónde le pido votos a alguien. Te repito no lo hice, ni lo haré. Esta es una novela mal contada de la ballena que presumo defiendes. Problemas de ballenas se resuelven entre ballenas. Mis 3000HP no hacen nada aquí. Soy la excusa hoy para hacer este post.

¿Cómo hace daño? Nadie consume tu contenido, solo es una ilusión esos votos, alguien votó con 500 personas detrás y a los 5 minutos. Es solo por dinero, y la comunidad dónde queda. Además te diré que se hizo el trabajo para eliminar los bots, crees lógico que se mantengan? Es lógico que sea la una ballena con círculos de votos, que se ven en la misma imagen que muestra, que por cierto estas mencionado. No lo veo lógico. Alguien dijo:

Para un gran poder, una gran responsabilidad. 😥

...pienso que las cosas no hay que prohibirlas mi querida Enmy, hay que debatirlas. Este voto automático no se recibe por pagar (como se hacía en Steemit y por eso se dañó la plataforma), se recibe por hacer un buen trabajo

Yo nunca he prohibido votos automáticos, al contrarío puede ser útil, te expliqué mi propuesta. No tengo el poder de prohibir cosas. ¿Qué puedo hacer yo en este contexto? ... aceptar su voto, y publico para que los dos ganemos, esa es su idea de monetizar. Seguiremos así. Nunca he prohibido que cure, lo que digo es que cure manual.

Es importante que sepas que, mi postura en mía. Aquí no tiene nada que ver ballenas, te reitero, problemas de ballenas que ellas lo resuelvan. No debería ni siquiera ser mencionada en ese post. Pero lamentablemente soy la excusa para escribir y afectarme. Aquí estoy, no tengo nada que esconder.

¿Qué sucedería si todas las ballenas hacen lo de @themarkymark con los votos automáticos?

Menos mal que es la única ballena que lo hace...

¿piensan en la comunidad? ¿En los nuevos usuarios?. Que felicidad los usuarios en esa lista, un voto seguro pero los demás no cuentan. El contenido de la comunidad no importa. Que los demás vean qué hacen.

...lamentable...

¿invitarias a alguien a HIVE? Teniendo claro que no será valorado su contenido, porque no es un usuario popular.

¿Cómo competimos con la redes sociales tradicionales?

Me gustaría leer tu punto.

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I didn't just get here. I've been here, and I'm not thinking about the vote for myself. I'm thinking about the vote for the whole community.

LOL, that's why you private messaged me multiple times asking me to remove my vote so you can get a larger vote and that you want to "grow your account" and "generate income" by my vote was smaller. You even admitted knowing the votes you are seeking are not manual.

When I didn't remove the vote, you and your friends said they would create spam to get me to notice it by posting 4+ times a day.

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¿Eso es todo?

Pensé que tenías más argumentos para contar.

Seguiré esperando, ya llevo 10 horas por leer tu respuesta.

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¿Cómo hace daño? Nadie consume tu contenido, solo es una ilusión esos votos, alguien votó con 500 personas detrás y a los 5 minutos. Es solo por dinero, y la comunidad dónde queda. Además te diré que se hizo el trabajo para eliminar los bots, crees lógico que se mantengan? Es lógico que sea la una ballena con círculos de votos, que se ven en la misma imagen que muestra, que por cierto estas mencionado. No lo veo lógico.

Te explicaré algo sencillo, volviendo a retomar mi ejemplo; cuando tuve que curar manualmente venezolanos en STEEMIT, curé 128 publicaciones en 1 semana y eso fue haciendo un trabajo exhaustivo demente.

Las ballenas tienen que hacer eso, casi el doble DIARIO, es humanamente IMPOSIBLE que lean todas las publicaciones y consuman el contenido y te lo digo porque he visto votos de ballenas que están en posts con fotos con derechos de autor prohibídos.

Entonces, prefiero ser más sincero y que la gente decida votar a los que les gusta y otorgarle la confianza de que hacen buen contenido, porque el buen contenido es el que va a sacar adelante esta plataforma.

¿invitarias a alguien a HIVE? Teniendo claro que no será valorado su contenido, porque no es un usuario popular.

Por supuesto que lo haría y ¿sabes por qué? Porque lo educaría para ello (y ya lo he hecho con 6 personas que he invitado que ya tienen bastante éxito por sí mismos con y sin el voto de esas ballenas que curan manualmente), le enseñaría tácticas de Marketing, de Marca Personal, lo impulsaría a trabajar y esforzarse sin alcahuetearlo diciendo que no van a valorar su contenido, esto es una red social, acá no solo venimos a soltar posts como locos y esperar que por hacer un post de calidad nos voten, esto va mucho más allá, hay que interactuar, hay que construir relaciones, hay que demostrar valía como ser humano más allá de como creador de contenido.

¿Cuál es el trabajo que tenemos nosotros? Educar. Por eso yo doy charlas de creación de contenido, de cómo ganar votos constantes, de cómo ser consistente, educo desde el ejemplo, les enseño a ganarse esos puestos, no les digo que "deberían" ser votados o que "merecen" ser votados, hago que lo ganen.

Porque tú quieres que las ballenas le den votos a las personas ¿no? Pero que esas personas se lo ganen, no que se los den solo por ser parte de HIVE y hacer contenido.

"Enseña al hombre a pescar..."

¿Cómo competimos con la redes sociales tradicionales?

Pues simple, creando contenido de calidad, construyendo confianza en la moneda (y para eso debes buscar inversores y para que los inversores lleguen, debes tener algo que les interese, ahí están las ballenas) y educando, eso es todo, porque a Ilaz no le votaron apenas llegó a la plataforma, yo tuve que competir contra otros para ganarme ese voto, yo duré haciendo contenido 4 meses en Steemit ganando 0$, no gané jamás nada hasta ganar el Open Mic por primera vez, ¿eso me hizo molestar? Para nada, porque no estaba listo para recibir esa recompensa y esa confianza, tuve que construirla y me siento increíblemente bien porque ahora confían ciegamente en mi contenido así que sí, formo parte de esa lista orgullosamente y si no estuviera, me la ganaría.

No hay absolutamente nada perjudicial en impulsar a los autores "populares" porque son ellos los que atraen a las personas para acá o ¿tú crees que la gente solo viene confiando ciegamente cuando les hablas sobre la plataforma? Tienes que demostrarles que es un hecho y que se puede, tú con Daniel trabajando con Ruta lo haz hecho brutalmente, por eso la gente confía en ti y se une a la plataforma.

Si no tuvieras ese proyecto y ese nombre detrás (es decir, TÚ eres una "autora popular") no tendrías esa veracidad detrás que atrae masas.

Y obviamente para mí está bien que cure una cantidad selecta de autores por tres razones particulares:

  1. Han trabajado para ello, no les cayó el voto del cielo ni pagaron para ello o al menos, yo no lo hice.

  2. Si tú inviertes en un proyecto y quieres un retorno de inversión, tú apuestas por lo que más te guste y le veas potencial, no apuestas por todo el mundo porque "¿Qué va a pasar con ellos?", esta es la lógica de que las personas más ricas del mundo deberían dar su riqueza para acabar con la pobreza mundial, así no funciona el mundo, si los creadores no se esfuerzan por trabajar y reinventarse, serán personas con menos libertad que la que tú estás exigiendo porque dependerían de esos votos todo el tiempo, puras personas mendigando votos de ballenas en lugar de obtenerlos por ganárselos.

  3. Esta plataforma no está hecha para todo el mundo y es un hecho, por eso se inventan las DApps, para poder abrir cada vez más puertas, pero en el momento en el que estamos ahorita, hay personas que no van a encontrarse haciendo contenido que se quiera consumir y eso no está mal, porque siempre va a haber un interés de por medio, ningún inversor va a trabajar de manera desinteresada, ninguna ballena va a curar todo tipo de contenido sin un motivo en particular, la ayuda a la comunidad es en parte por ayudarse a sí mismos, sabiendo esto, se trabaja mejor.

El problema con las redes tradicionales, es que las personas que sabían todo esto que te estoy diciendo, eran los que manejaban a personas que no saben y usaban sus talentos para hacer dinero, acá la única diferencia es que ya no existe esos intermediarios, ahora es la persona contra el público y los curadores, pero sigue siendo una plataforma de contenido, así que como cualquier creador, debes crear un PRODUCTO que sea llamativo y confiable.

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Sobre lo que dices yo creo:

Hay cosas que no van a lugar, que no critico, que no estoy en contra. Entonces no le veo sentido.

Lo otro es: No seas ballena, si no quieres hacer el trabajo de votación manual. Delega. Que otros lo hagan.

Recuerda que una persona que use voto automático no es curador, está simplemente asignando ese voto, por la razón que mejor le parezca. Ese es mi caso, publique lo que publique, me asiganran mi bono. 🤣 eso me recuerda al gobierno de mi país. 🤣

Por otra parte,tengo educando sobre la plataforma y lo primero que se enseña, es que inviertan en la plataforma, manteniendo su HP. He visto como se lo llevan (haciendo poder down, o usando las nuevas herramientas) y luego vuelven como si nada ha pasado. La educación viene por casa.

Ya perdí la cuenta de las personas que he invitado y acompañado en steem y en hive. Con contenido de valor. Así que tu experiencia con 6 la he vivido con más de 100 usuarios, comprendo tu emoción.

Decidí estar aquí y continuar el proyecto con usuarios serios. Lo de este post es un circo. Y con sinceridad y el respeto que mereces, tus palabras para mi no tienen sentido. Mantengo mi postura y no es para agradarle a nadie. Lo siento no busco un votito más. Mentego mi postura porque Si, y porque mis ideas tienen fundamentos.

Yo si visualizo esta plataforma para todo el mundo... veremos que dirección le dan los usuarios serios de HIVE. El que quiera una plataforma privada, no puede combinar social media con blockchain. En una plataforma privada, sera para algunos pocos, como lo mencionas.

Y me siento en paz con lo que pienso y cómo actúo. En sintonía.

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Está bien, entonces no hay nada más que decir al respecto y bueno, de igual forma siempre les deseo éxito a ti, a Daniel y al proyecto porque el trabajo que han hecho es genial.

Y yo sé que has hecho un buen trabajo, yo también estoy dentro de esos 100 que has ayudado, por eso me sorprende que hayas hecho esto.

Pero está bien, de igual forma la plataforma crecerá y se inventarán maneras diversas de surgir y hacer crecer.

Sigamos creciendo, a nuestro ritmo y manera particular.

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Pero dime ¿qué hice?

¿Que hago?

Si aquí la afectada soy yo.

¿Que le responda a un ser humano que me injuria es malo? Ah porque él es la ballena, ¿debo tomar tu actitud?

Lo siento. No estoy escondiendo nada. Explícame, que al comenzar dijiste que no estabas claro, parece que me señalas y yo soy la mala de la novela de este post. Cuando no estás claro de la situación.

Más abajo le respondo al señor @themarkymark pero dieron downvote. Leelo. Creo que no empezaste por ahí.

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No, no pienso que haya malos ni buenos, solo es difícil debatir cuando ya tienes una postura tan firme, como tú no cambiarás de postura y yo tampoco, ya caeríamos es en un juicio de valor, entonces, por el cariño que te tengo, prefiero no hacerlo.

Yo no te señalé, solo te dije la visión más sensata de progreso que conozco en el mundo (con hechos sólidos), el hecho de que la plataforma "sea para todos" hace que este rollo se vuelva el mismo problema que tenemos en Venezuela, una falla de filosofía.

No se puede hacer feliz a todos, no se puede apoyar a todos, las cosas hay que ganárselas, aunque esta sea una plataforma para todo el mundo, al menos hasta que todos seamos delfines u orcas y ya no necesitemos de las ballenas para crecer.

Luego de que eso suceda, posiblemente pensaré con tu misma visión, porque ya existirá esa posibilidad, pero por ahora, es Utopía.

No es que hayas hecho nada malo, son visiones nobles que sé que tienes porque yo las he tenido también, pero la realidad es bastante diferente en ESTE preciso momento, más adelante, veremos.

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Sin palabras...

Mantendré mi postura... cada quien en la suya y el tiempo dará las respuestas.

El cariño se demuestra en el principio. Feliz noche..

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One can't complain about autovotes when one follows a trail and also encourages others to join said trail... 🤷🏻‍♀️ It goes to show the real issue here is not the way the vote is given but the worth of it.

I said it before and will say it again if you dont want people to vote your posts you should make a note on them "please dont vote this post, only posted this for "insert curator of choice here" 😂🤦🏻‍♀️

This is Hive version of #RitchPeopleProblems here is #UpvotedPeopleProblems 😂 so many would love to have this kind of issues and not see their post close/payout at 0

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Your UpVotes are one of the main reasons I started fucking with hive! I started on Steemit 2 months ago and then opened a Hive account, I love it here on Hive and thanks to you and your articles I have been enlightened on what good (or should I say not good) with steemit. After just searching you on there I seen you changed your name to RIP Steemit, that shit had me dying on the floor laughing. Needless to say you Powered Down. Then I searched @solominer same thing! I went on and on. all my Favs on hive powered down. So to support The family that has welcomed me I too am now powering down my 2 month old steemit! You Mr @themarkymark truly are a wolf in sheeps clothing because I joined well after the whole meltdown and have no place in the beef but you got me to join your ranks!!!
I think Ill do a whole post on this now that I think about it.

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Without a doubt, the high votes, rewards for healing, routes of healing, and now this new position of rejecting votes, confirm the context in which Greek philosopher Heraclitus expressed that "The dialectic is full of contradictions", this delivery of @themarkymark clears up the unknown of why my articles do not receive the support of appreciator, I intuited that it was because my blog is exclusively about STEM (Science, Technology, Engineering and Mathematics), and maybe it doesn't meet their criteria for healing that until today I considered to be a valid approach, because every user, be it a fish or a whale, is free to support whatever they want, but now I understand what the real reason is, and that is simply that the scientific value of the publications is not among their main guidelines for healing and they simply discard to vote for users who have already received some votes of modest value. Even though, I often receive support from @themarkymark, who I think is passionate about scientific academic content, that shouldn't mean a problem or arms war between high HP accounts, so I think, we should evolve as a community.

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Another good example of someone I was voting and starts spamming 8+ a day in "retaliation" of being upvoted by me. The moment I stop, starts to get big massive votes.

https://peakd.com/@lorennys/posts

If I don't vote, there is almost nothing in votes. 6-11 cents.

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You have quite the effect on people, eh?
Up is down; down is up.

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Just shows what I have been saying all along. Hive will not grow until

  1. People stop focusing purely on the rewards/votes
  2. It grows up past high school drama
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I'm not picky about votes. I know my content isn't that amazing. I'm thrilled if I get $1. Personally, I don't get what appreciator's or @enmy's beef is in all this. If appreciator doesn't think @enmy's payout is indicative of the value of the post after you have voted on it, the smart thing would be to vote it up to the value they think is correct. 1% seems like they're being petty. It sounds like it should be 5% or 6%. Isn't that what a curation community is for? Correctly adjust the value (up or down) for curated posts.

Alternative perspective

I don't think the issue is that you're voting @enmy's post. The issue is that a curation community isn't properly curating posts you vote on. @enmy's problem shouldn't be with you, but appreciator.

TL;DR

IMHO. Appreciator should cover the difference on @enmy's posts if they are indeed a proper curation community. It's not a big deal.

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If I vote any amount, he will refuse to vote and they get virtually nothing.

If I don't vote, he will vote them $10-$12.

If I do vote them, they start to spam 4-8+ posts a day.

You can see when I started voting this person, and when I stopped.

There are a lot who are doing this right now.
You likely also noticed the flood of new accounts being created fishing for these votes using similar patterns.

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Y si ves mis estadísticas también publiqué muchos y me dijiste en un mensaje que me habías sacado de tu voto automático por spam. A lo que te dije que mis dibujos son originales y que las tantas publicaciones es para llamar tu atención...

Que raro que ahora es que sacas estos números, porque antes no te importaban.

Si hicieras una curación manual, no votaras un usuario repetidas veces ni le votaras en sus dos cuentas; como es mi caso. Votas automático en @enmy y en @EnmyMente.

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Again, I don't see a question, just whining about being voted.

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Si te he preguntado muchas cosas, ya perdí la cuenta.

Estoy muy impresionada con tu actitud. Una vez dije que eras un usuario motivador de HIVE. No conocía quién eres realmente. Gracias por demostrar quien eres.

Aquí OTRA pregunta, ya que estas dispuesto a responder.

Why do you expose to many users to public impeachment?

Estás lastimando a personas, que no estamos a tu nivel. Comprende que eres una usuario con otro nivel, que tienes una comunidad que te sigue. Aquí muchos te agradecen tus votos automáticos y otros te lo están pidiendo. A mi me expones porque te pedi varias veces que por favor retirararas tu voto automático y curaras manual mi contenido. Contradicciones.

Como el voto automático es una dictadura, recibiré mi cuota, YO NO PUEDO HACER NADA, RECIBO TU VOTO AUTOMÁTICO. Tu eres en que tiene el poder. Hasta que todo cambie y nos seguiremos adaptando a más dictadura o a más libertades. Yo apuesto por más libertades.

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Why do you expose to many users to public impeachment?

Huh, how am I impeaching someone? You are the one whining that you got an upvote. You are the one who decided to start spamming 4+ posts a day and encouraged others in your group to do the same.

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No me has leído en cada linea que he escrito. Seguro es el lenguaje que no ayuda.

Reflexiona sobre tus acciones, transforma lo que hoy ves aquí en algo mejor. Eres una de las ballenas que puedes transformar vidas de forma positiva.

Te lo he dicho muchas veces. Tienes el poder, no yo.

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@enmy Supongo que es porque eres una perra sorprendentemente desagradecida que prefiere ser usada para recoger el algodón de una persona que apreciar a alguien que comenzó a votar por ti en lo que parece ser un intento de ayudarte.

Es mejor dejar que alguien piense que eres un tonto y permanezca en silencio que abrir la boca y eliminar toda duda.

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Discúlpame pero esas estadísticas no dicen mi nombre jamás he publicado 8 o 9 post diarios si logro hacer 4 es mucho ¿sabes lo agotador que es hacer post que no sean mediocres? ¿Sabes cuántas horas me tomo hacer esa manipulación fotografía que hice para ese post que muestra allí el día de ayer? Muchas horas... mi perfil está allí para que lo vean cuando deseen..

A mi me vendieron Hive como una red social dónde podría ganar recompensas no que estas recompensas eran obligatorias y jamás me hablaron de votos automáticos...

Yo jamás le he pedido votos a nadie ni a usted ni a appreciator... y la verdad siento que estas imágenes de mi perfil están de sobra.... yo hace poco llegué a Minnow osea soy un pez muy pequeño... ¿qué tengo yo que ver con esta disputa de ballenas? Si usted o appreciator desean curar y darle valor a mi contenido bien recibido será, de igual manera yo seguiré publicando porque me gusta lo que hago y usted y appreciator no son las únicas ballenas que han curado mi contenido.

Prefiero la curación manual si, si la prefiero pero la verdad ya estoy fastidiada de este asunto… soy un pequeño pez involucrado en una disputa de ballenas que ni si quiera entiendo… mejor debería ir y conversa con appreciator y dejarnos a los usuarios fuera de esto… y ojo soy un usuario nuevo ¿por qué debería estar mi perfil acá? No público esperando un voto automático o un voto de una ballena, me gusta ganarme las cosas y si la comunidad o una ballena me vota es porque le gusta mi contenido.

Excuse me, but those statistics don't say my name. I've never published 8 or 9 posts a day. If I manage to do 4, it's too much. Do you know how exhausting it is to do posts that are not mediocre? Do you know how many hours it took me to do that photo manipulation I did for that post that shows there yesterday? Many hours... my profile is there for you to see it whenever you want.

I was sold Hive as a social network where I could earn rewards not that these rewards were mandatory and they never talked to me about automatic votes...

I have never asked for votes from anyone, neither you nor appreciator... and the truth is I feel that these images on my profile are plenty... I recently arrived at Minnow so I am a very small fish... what do I have to do with this whale dispute? If you or appreciator want to heal and give value to my content will be well received, likewise I will continue publishing because I like what I do and you and appreciator are not the only whales who have cured my content.

I prefer manual healing if, if I prefer it but the truth is I'm already tired of this issue... I'm a little fish involved in a whale dispute that I don't even understand... I should better go and talk to appreciator and leave us users out of it... and watch out I'm a new user why should my profile be here? Not public waiting for an automatic vote or a whale vote, I like to earn things and if the community or a whale votes for me it is because they like my content.🤷‍♀️

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I like to earn things and if the community or a whale votes for me it is because they like my content.

That's why I started voting you, but then you started dming me to stop because my votes were not as big even though they were ~$3 which is a very good vote.

No worries I stopped, and this is what you get.

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No te pedí que dejaras de votar mi contenido porque me votaras con 3$ tu voto es bien recibido sea de 1$ o de 10$ solo te pedí que lo votaras manualmente... y no te has detenido me acabas de votar con unos centavos.... seamos realistas nadie rechaza un voto, pero vivo en un país de donde se dice que a las personas les guste que le regalen las cosas, yo no soy así... trabajo mucho me gusta ganarme las cosas... me gusta tu voto, pero manual es tan difícil de entender eso...creo que es lo más justo para todos no crees?

I didn't ask you to stop voting for my content because you voted for me with $3 your vote is welcome whether it's $1 or $10 I just asked you to vote for me manually... and you didn't stop yourself you just voted for me with a few pennies... let's be realistic, nobody rejects a vote, but I live in a country where they say that people like to be given things, I am not like that... I work a lot, I like to earn things... I like your vote, but manual is so difficult to understand that... I think it is the fairest thing for everybody, don't you think?😌

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I don't see you crying to appreciator to vote for you manually.

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Nunca me voto en automático🤔.... no tengo voto automático de appreciator.... revisa, solo recibí un par de votos de el por 1$ la semana pasada.... entiende yo solo soy un pez nuevo que ama publicar e interactuar en la comunidad, que no entiende porque usted y appreciator tienen una disputa.

I never vote on automatic... I don't have an automatic appreciator vote... check it out, i only got a couple of votes from him for $1 last week.... you understand i'm just a new fish that loves to post and interact in the community, that doesn't understand why you and appreciator have a dispute🤷‍♀️

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Yet you messaged me complaining you don't get appreciators vote any more and you need to post 4+ times a day to make up for it. I have screenshots of the chat logs before you deleted your comments.

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Nunca te dije que appreciator ya no me votaba... también tengo captura donde te digo que me gusta ganarme los votos por meritocracia voto manual.... y si borre los mensajes es porque no era el mensaje que quería trasmitir.... ve mis recompensas... no puedo publicar 4 veces al día.... yo tengo una vida aparte de publicar en Hive.

Entiende algo si appreciator me vota o no me vota es decisión de el, sus voto siempre fueron manuales, es lo mismo que te pedía a ti porque es lo que siento justo... no mezcles una cosa con la otra....

Y la verdad como dije ya estoy fastidiada de esta disputa... por qué me respondes por acá y no me respondiste por Discord? Así fueras sabido mi postura.... imagina mi impacto con todo esto... soy nueva en Hive de repente empiezo a recibir un voto automático y veo que solo yo lo recibo cuando hay otros usuarios a los cuales admiro que no reciben estos votos.... y ahora estoy en una disputa con una ballena porque otra ballena dejó de votarme.... por qué no le preguntas a appreciator por qué dejó de votarme? Porque debo saberlo yo? Yo no soy curadora, apenas tengo 900 de HP dime porque debo tener esta conversación sobre quien me vota y quien no? Si quieres votarme en automático bien hazlo, pero no me digas que por tu voto appreciator no me vota.... yo no soy appreciator, no soy ballena, apenas estoy aprendiendo del funciona de la plataforma... como voy a
saber por que o como vota otra ballena??

never told you that appreciator didn't vote for me anymore... I also have capture where I tell you that I like to earn the votes for meritocracy manual vote... and if I delete the messages it is because it was not the message I wanted to transmit... see my rewards... I can't post 4 times a day... I have a life apart from posting on Hive.

Understand something if appreciator votes me or not is his decision, his vote was always manual, it is the same that I asked you because it is what I feel just... don't mix one thing with the other...

And the truth is, as I said, I'm already tired of this dispute... why do you answer me here and not Discord? Even if you knew my position... imagine my impact with all this... I am new in Hive suddenly I start to receive an automatic vote and I see that only I receive it when there are other users that I admire that do not receive these votes... and now I am in a dispute with a whale because another whale stopped voting for me... why don't you ask appreciator why he stopped voting for me? Why should I know? I'm not a curator, I'm barely 900 HP, tell me why I should have this conversation about who votes for me and who doesn't? If you want to vote for me on automatic, fine do it, but don't tell me that because of your vote, appreciator doesn't vote for me... I'm not appreciator, I'm not a whale, I'm just learning how the platform works... how would I know why or how another whale votes?🤷‍♀️😌

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Solo déjame fuera de esta disputa.... tu pelea no es conmigo... que podría yo hacer contra una ballena, solo quiero seguir creando mi contenido.

Just leave me out of this dispute... your fight is not with me... what I could do against a whale, I just want to keep creating my content.

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No one is stopping you from creating your content.

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You were receiving appreciator auto votes, but never complained. You knew they were auto votes, and in fact I know for a fact you Enmy and many others are specifically looking for appreciator votes in your whatsup group and when you don't get them you up your daily postings to as many as 8 a day. Again, I got chat logs if you want me to provide them.

If I don't vote your post, appreciator does for ~$12, if I vote any amount he doesn't and you get nearly nothing.

The problem isn't me.

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Mi grupo de WhatsApp es personal.... no es Hive.... y la verdad tus argumentos son suposiciones... creo que debes argumentar mejor... Gems es la comunida principal donde appreciator vota... sabes desde cuando no público allí.... y obvio que quiero el voto de appreciator de Dan y de cualquier ballena... no logro entender cuál es el problema.... quieres votar mi contenido, con voto automático hazlo, pero sin importar si appreciator me vota o no.... nunca he recibido un voto automático de appreciator solo tuyo.... y ya no voy a discutir más por un tema que no tiene sentido ... te pedí que votaras mi contenido manual y no lo entiendes, no puedo cambiar eso... igual el cariño es el mismo.

My WhatsApp group is personal... it's not Hive... and the truth your arguments are assumptions... I think you should argue better... Gems is the main community where appreciator votes... you know since when not public there... and obviously i want the appreciator vote from Dan and any whale... i can't understand what the problem is... you want to vote my content, with automatic vote do it, i can't i but no matter if appreciator votes me or not... i have never received an automatic appreciator vote from you alone... and i will not argue anymore about a topic that does not make sense... i asked you to vote my manual content and you don't understand, i can't change that... maybe the love is the same.🤗

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¿Cuál es el problema que dice usted que tengo con el sr @themarkymark?

@themarkymark me tomó como excusa para hacer su post. Yo soy un usuario común en esta plataforma, mi HP es de 3000(puede verlo).

El sr @themarkymark No pudo reunirse con las ballenas a conversar. Hizo esto sabrá él el real motivo.

Yo Enmay González, le respondí cada punto al Sr @themarkymark y aún no me ha respondido. ¿sabe usted por qué? La respuesta es que no tiene argumentos válidos.

Yo le pido a esta ballena que cure manual. No le estoy pidiendo votos. Que haga un equipo de curadores manuales. Que busque personas de confianza, en este post parece que tiene muchos.

Entonces creo que debe profundizar más todo el contexto de este asunto que es de ballenas y metió a @enmy y a @EnmyMente aquí. Es decir vota mis dos cuentas de forma automática. ¿Le parece lógico que una ballena haga eso? A mi no.

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damn ...it is all so complicated , i mean , Who doesnt want votes ?
Quantity , Quality it doesnt bloody matter as long as the post is cool and interactions happen ( i have the best one " the cuddle cat " ) 🌼
if they dont want your vote move on to who wants it 🥂

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Buenas noches ante que nada.

Reciban un cordial saludo.

Escribiré en mi idioma... En este caso en español o castellano.

Soy una de las quizás se siente afectada, una venezolana más, que decidió levantar la voz, por su voto automatico.

En la vida siempre he agradecido, todo lo que Dios me permite disfrutar, tanto malo como bueno. La gratitud, es sinónimos de bondad, sencillez y humildad, es algo que me caracteriza.

Con referencia a su post, me da lástima, que siendo usted una persona importante en la plataforma Hive y con su ballena, se dediquen hacer estos tipos de espectáculos en la red, es que quieres popularidad, volviendo a la vieja escuela de Steemit, sencillamente, le digo una cosa:

Haga como el venezolano Honesto, que se gana su pan diario a costa de sus esfuerzo, sudor, trabajo honesto, creatividad, corazón…

Ante el mundo, según los tiempos que vive nuestra querida Venezuela, nos han querido ver como una mano de obra barata, que andamos mendigando voto, no señores, no acostumbramos a dar lastima, trabajamos de forma honesta, o por lo menos en mi caso y el de muchos, nos enseñaron los buenos valores y principios, me enseñaron a pescar no a regalarme los peces, me los gano, así de sencillo.

Prefiero a la final de cuenta, levantar mi voz, y decirle esto: opto por el método de curación manual, prefiero un trail pequeño que me vote manual, pero me deja su valoración de mi trabajo, me hizo sentir que vio mi post y le gusto, dejándome un humilde comentario; a que usted me vote, sin ver mi contenido, activando dos votos automáticos, según mi análisis matemáticos, el de usted a los activa a los 4 minutos de la creación de mi post y el de su ballena a casi 5 minutos de haberse creado el mismo…

En vista a ello déjeme formularle esto:

Usted pretende volver a la vieja escuela?

O acabar con esa mala práctica?

Cual es el miedo de curar contenido manualmente?

Acaso su excusa cual es?

El mega tiempo que debe dedicar a Hive para la curación de contenido y la generación de manera rápida de sus recompensa por curación?

A la final de cuenta entonces lo que demuestra que solo le importa su dinero, generar recompensa y no ayudar a la plataforma a crecer sanamente.

Déjeme decirle lo siguiente, si no lo sabes aun, permíteme abiertamente aclararle algo:

El venezolano promedio, el que sabe hacer su trabajo y conoce de el, no anda mendigando nada, se lo gana, a punto de sudor, lagrima, esfuerzo, dedicación, creatividad y originalidad, porque tenemos compromiso, sentimos pasión por lo que hacemos, sencillamente lo hacemos con amor.

No como dicen por allí, las malas lenguas del chisme, que usted anda ayudando al venezolano para que pueda comer… Favor nos hace usted???

Pero permítame suponer y en su defecto si eso fuese cierto, permítame hacer el siguiente análisis estadístico y matemático, usted quiere ayudar al venezolano???

Si es así, su poder de voto es casi 46$, porque asigna un voto automático de 5%?
Crees que con tu voto ayudas???

Déjeme decirle que ni alcanza para una harina. Usted no sabe de nuestra realidad, así que déjese de hacer esos comentarios, que no le estamos pidiendo limosna, ni dando lastima.

Pareciera que usted, anda haciendo una casería de brujas con los que la ballena @appreciator vota, y da su apoyo manual, se toma sus minutos de su humilde tiempo, para dejar su voto; aunado a ello, pareciera también que está haciendo esto con la mayoría de los venezolanos y a los que apoyamos el trail donde usted amablemente aceptó, ahora sales diciendo esas barbaridades.

Me da pena ajena, que usted traiga esos escenarios a la plataforma, si quiere fama, vaya trabájela, constrúyela y gánesela como hacemos la mayoría de los venezolanos honesto…

Para culminar:

Si por levantar mi voz, soy enjuiciada, asumo responsablemente mi comentario, estamos, y déjeme suponer, en una plataforma libre, donde podemos manifestar las inquietudes, los abusos, los atropellos, los malos tratos.

Creo, que la plataforma se hizo para convertirse en una red social mas grande del mundo, con tecnología blockchain, con miras a ser una Web3, que proporciona a sus usuarios, inversores, desarrolladores y demás entes, seguridad, confiabilidad, transparencia y usabilidad. Es por ello, debemos ser responsable con lo que emitimos, expresemos y hagamos en nuestro largo camino, todos somos corresponsable con la plataforma, y más usted, siendo una persona tan importante.

Mí Esperanza estan puestas en HIVE

Quiero estar en una red libre, sin que me condene por el hecho de ser venezolana, que mi contenido sea valorado igual como cualquier persona en cualquier parte del mundo, mi trabajo vale, mi esfuerzo vale, no mendigo nada, me lo gano, nadie me lo regala.
Quiero una plataforma libre de las malas prácticas de la vieja escuela de Steemit, sino ocurrirá quizás lo mismo, o posiblemente una nueva bifurcación, o a lo más seguros, que al no sentirnos cómodo, terminemos abandonando el ecosistema, por trato como el de usted, que minimizan nuestros esfuerzos.

Sin más que hacer referencia, me despido humildemente desde mi Venezuela querida…

Atentamente @maleidamarcano

Se le quiere en la distancia, pero no en el olvido…

Dios los bendiga Grandemente…

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Entitled much?

$46 * 5% = $2.30

You can actually buy an entire 5lbs bag of flour even the US for around that much.

Why do you think I should be paying for your flour?

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You are damned if you do damned if you don't, and damned if you stand in the middle ground. Vote who, how, and why you want to vote. I really do not understand how people can think of a vote any other way. It is your vote, their vote is their vote.

I really did enjoy reading all of these comments on your spot, I am flabbergasted that people don't understand that a vote belongs to the person that is giving it. The size of the vote is based on how much a person has powered up, or a person has delegated to them.

If people think a post is over rewarded, (ie: they don't want your vote), they can always down vote themselves and each other, We have two votes, up vote and down vote. Right now there are no set standards in writing as to why a post can be down voted, likewise no set standard as to why a post can be up voted.

Manual or automated method of voting, I have seen some votes from you that would indicate some manual voting, (I peaked in hivetask thing). You have a lot of HP, full on manual voting is simply not possible, I have a hard time manually voting the number of people I like, the number of post I find interesting, and the number of people I want to keep posting, so while I do not use a vote trail or a curation bot, I am not a 100% manual voter. I doubt that there really are very many full on manual voters.

Keep voting the way you want, and when you want.

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You are damned if you do damned if you don't, and damned if you stand in the middle ground.

Certainly how I feel lately about a lot of things. It exhausting.

I had three more people contact me today, one messaged me 19 times at 4AM in the morning and called me on Discord.

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They just don't get the concept of voting, or at least that is how it appears to me. I am just glad I don't have your problems, but your problem was interesting to read and all those comments did keep me entertained.

!ENGAGE 25,

I don't know if you like the vanity type tokens but I can certainly attest I did find your post engaging.

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They know the concept quite well, they only care about one vote.

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Yep, and they love throwing the word Greed around as an accusation. Oh well such is online Hive life. Where would we be without The Days of our Hive drama. So long as it is not to often they are fun little episodic breaks from the crypto centric post.

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Thank you for your engagement on this post, you have recieved ENGAGE tokens.

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This was a pretty good and unique drama XD

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It is always something when there is money around.

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Should I make a post since you don't vote me? :P

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I don’t vote anyone now do to a man child flagging anyone I vote.

I’m sure others will vote.

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man child flagging anyone I vote

People have rather peculiar ways of saying "I'm gay."

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Reminds me of the good old Steemit days, some shit never changes, eh?

I must have lucked out, never got any downvotes from that guy when I got upvotes from you. Either that, or I'm just too fucking crusty for him to want to touch. Thanks for all the support up until now, my dood :)

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