Follow Friday - Defend and build

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Around 100 days after Hive forked from Steem the two tokens are at a very similar price according to @coingecko.

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Hive has generally been ahead, but has slipped back recently. This may be down to various factors such as less people buying it now they have sold off all their Steem. Some Steem fans may still be selling Steem as they have to wait longer to power down. Those who are still milking Steem may be trying to prop it up so they can cash out and make a profit.

What is clear is that we need to make Hive the more attractive platform for the majority. It should not be an exclusive club that benefits a few. Contrary to what I have heard from others I do not believe that most of the witnesses are just out for personal gain. We have lots of them and many will not be making much. Unlike on Steem the community does get to decide who ranks highest, so use your votes to support the witnesses who you think do good for the platform.

I do concur that some big accounts tend to support their friends (or themselves in some cases), but in general we are seeing a better spread of votes than we had on Steem. Few people are buying votes and the community voting projects are getting rewards to many small accounts. If you can seek out new people who produce good content and get the attention of those projects then you stand to do better from curation than by just automatically voting for those who always trend. I have benefited from this myself.

I will plug @tenkminnows that does auto vote, but only for small accounts. Delegating to it or following the trail will help them grow. We are now further from 10k minnows than before the fork, so we need a push on that.

Although Hive is generally less prone to abuse than Steem it still goes on here. There are various people who self-vote or 'circle jerk', sometimes doing it at the last minute. We need less selfishness if we want Hive to succeed. With the way rewards are split you can do pretty well from curation, so there should be less need to self-vote.

I will not name the accounts, but I have seen this case where this represents the outgoing votes of an account with 20k HP. The blue part is self-votes and all voting is done after four days with multiple posts put up daily. The person will argue that they deserve it when they see whales voting up others, but they actually get dollars per post anyway thanks to some large accounts. That is the sort of behaviour we can do without. This person has been made aware that they are being antisocial, but as it is a minor case I will not expose them, for now.
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There are various projects working to protect Hive from spam, plagiarism and other absuse including @spaminator, @hivewatcher (previously @steemcleaners) and @cheetah. You can support them or just check on what they are doing. What is vital is that they have an appeal process as people who are willing to change their ways should be given a chance. I have seen brand new accounts attacked by some for minor transgressions that may result in them just giving up. If they have something to offer we should not drive them away.

We also need effective marketing of Hive. Without a well-funded central company that is harder to organise, so we have to find alternatives. @hivepeople (organised by @stellabelle) are working on this, so talk to them if you can help. We need to do more than just post on social media.

Another couple of projects I want to mention are:

  • @giftgiver give free delegation to people who need it for a limited period. I keep hearing about new accounts running out of Resource Credits as they may create an account, but get no delegation. Those of us with enough HP could be helping them out too.
  • @fullalt are doing things like @hivetips that allows you to easily tip people on Twitter with Hive. It tells them to create an account if they do not already have one.

I have already mentions a few accounts you can check out, but here are some more to make a proper #FollowFriday post. Please consider doing your own to help people who deserve it to gain followers and support.

  • @bhoa is one of the Nigerian community who is working hard to recruit new users.
  • @mistakili is also in Nigeria and doing the same.
  • @santigs is recruiting musicians from Barcelona. One of his successes is DJ @rogerfreedom. More are on the way.
  • @nathanmars is a marketing machine for Hive on Twitter. He is organising a meetup in London on Sunday, so contact him if you want to be there.

Please support people who make Hive a better place. If it grows then we all benefit from more content and, potentially, a better token price.

Hive five!



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Please support people who make Hive a better place

This is the only way to push the HIVE price upwards

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Well people buying it would help too. There need to be reasons to invest.

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I will not name the accounts, but I have seen this case where this represents the outgoing votes of an account with 20k HP.

I have been watching this account, @enforcer48 knows who it is.. a load of votes came in again after 4 days. There's something fishy going on, add a nice looking young chick to do all the posting.. and you get the bigger votes as well as the account the same size of mine doing the 4 day delayed ones.

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We could cancel out their self-votes, but some of us need to be careful as we have people following our downvote trail. Don't want to be seen as a bully.

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I get a feeling that said Orca is the same person, which is effectively another self-vote. We can't prove it.. the fact that all this voting is done on days 4-5-6 suggests an attempt to hide it all.

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It is suspicious, but I am wary of making allegations without proof. As I said, it's a fairly minor case, but they are still making dollars each week from it. I want rewards to go to those who earn them.

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I personally think there should be downvote service particularly dedicated (I don't think there is) to issues like this. This is the kind of abuse that was going on on Steem. The more people start to see this as a community that thrives on engagement first and not financial gains (which is very important also), the better.

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I am so humbled.. This is what i wished for and i am happy that i am been recognized. It is so encouraging to me. Thank you so much

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My social reach and HP are not that great, but if I can inspire people then that is a win!

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you doing this is a great move and it shows that as individuals, we can make a difference.

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Thank you for the mention @steevc

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You have earned it. Keep up the good work and let us know who else you recruit.

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Thanks for all your help and support steve, i try to put as much people as are interested through, I enjoy it actually, and will keep doing so. Huge thanks to everyone else playing their parts.

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Well done on what you have achieved. If each person can recruit just a few more then we have something amazing. Just have to help those new users get started and encourage them to stick around. It can be challenging.

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Yeah...I've also learnt that people can't be forced and they won't always see what you see. Wish more people outside Hive will open their eyes and see the real deal.

Cheers

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You guys are doing an absolutely great job on twitter man!

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I can't believe it's been over three months already. Personally, I think Hive will continually be ahead. The Steem Community is tightly clinging to what it has left with multiple contests and free upvotes but like you said, many users are just there to milk what is left.
We need to make hive a more attractive platform, less of the conventional blogging kind and begin to support all kind of content. You can agree with me than Hive supports a narrow group of niches when there are a lot that can be explored and supported... and yes, it wouldn't hurt to do so.

The issue of RC running out is also one of the major problems that discourages new users when they sign up so I have to say @giftgiver are doing a wonderful job. Most new users who are referred might receive some delegation for a while from their referrers but for the new users who sign up directly, they get discouraged once their RC runs out.

I'm just getting to learn about @fullalt now but it seems like a pretty great project. Giving tips on twitter is a good way to go since most hive campaigns are going on on twitter. Asking users to sign up to receive the tips will also surely bring more users rushing in here.

Speaking of the twitter warriors... Lol. They are doing an absolutely amazing job. I try to make a post or two a day about hive myself on twitter but I've seen some like Nathan Mars and @bhoa who have gone absolute beast mode. As a matter of fact, @bhoa was the one who inspired me to get back on hive after the fork.
I try my best to support the chain in any way I can and I think everyone should do the same. The chain belongs to all of us and to no one, so all we do for it is for our good.


Cheers

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Building a community is not easy. We need to make it fun for people as rewards are not guaranteed. Hive offers freedom and independence from corporations too. We have music, videos, games and more to offer. Let's do what we can to make it better.

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Nice work bro... you will definitely do well

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During these days I'm really busy out of the screen, but thanks to post like this one I can stay in touch with the Hive community and to know what's happening around! Thanks, dear Steve!

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@nathanmars is a marketing machine for Hive on Twitter

Could not be stated better 😂😂
By the way, where is your name in this kind of top Hivers list? Do not be that modest. You are adding irreplaceable value to our ecosystem.

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I get some nice comments from people and that is all the thanks I need.

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I think its not the only solution to join new user and active here, if the price of hive token is going high then it will be seen benifited. And price how should be going high, if market asking for bid it and buy it, who will buy this- of course who are short of resources credit. So people who like this platform must invest here from his/her own pocket money raise its power and market price so that people are all getting some of kind of jerk and gambling should boost up, also winness voting help to sustain in the blockchain. I think relatively its price is down because of others who are getting or generating more money from here. You know before justin sun caught the steem and its price is down, most of the user withdrawn its powers, may be same result upcoming before its happening a miracle!!

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We do need investors. I have bought some Hive for myself and I know others who bought a lot more. Just need to find more reasons to persuade others that this is a good idea. I like increasing my vote to help others.

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Yeah, thats pretty good reason for buying hive to vote others, but realistic is that every one waiting for low price for buying and also wait for price raise before voting... Not everyone do this but its a hidden truth! 😒

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There is no ideal time to buy, but you can earn Hive at any time.

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What an insightful post.

I'll like to call to your attention the tireless works of @bhoa. He has promoting #Hive day and night on and off the internet.

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I mentioned him :) With a few more like him we could go far.

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I'm watching him and following him closely, I hope and intend to be like him.

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People [I] need to build [my] creative businesses on HIVE -

It's not enough to just hype on social media to hope that more people join.

We already have a bunch of people -- writers, artists, musicians, etc.

https://kk.org/thetechnium/1000-true-fans/

If HIVE is a tool, that is used in pursuit of 1000 true fans, then it addresses all of those issues mentioned above.

It's like:

Mailchimp is used as a tool to send out newsletters.

HIVE can be a tool for incentivized audience engagement while sharing developmental processes behind / involved directly within creative work.

The idea that we need to be getting more HIVE followers from the pool of people who are already on HIVE is silly, and non-productive.

The more people who use HIVE as a tool -- and not as an end product, the more incentive they will have to invest and upvote to reward engagement in their communities, and with their following, --

And since their business exists beyond HIVE [ETH and USD for example] - That is where they can derive their income, and audience members.

Then it becomes about --

What unique value proposition are you as a content creator offering on HIVE that is not being offered anywhere else -- and thus incentivizes engagement on your HIVE blog, and consequentially / as a byproduct / or directly -- in your HIVE communities?

Then you get a transitive sort of property where the audiences that are cultivated from one creative transfer by communities toward others.

.:.

I don't think people are thinking broadly enough.

It's not enough to want more upvotes from people with more stake, or to get more HIVE followers, or even to abuse by self-upvoting.

The rewards for that sort of game // those sort of games // are not sufficient,

And then we run into all of these problems like abuse, and circle jerking, and then peopel complaining that newbies don't get enough love. and all of this.

Newbies, and Vets, need to be building businesses and audiences, using the platform, -- building businesses / audiences that are bigger than HIVE.

Using HIVE as a component of that larger business.

Then it won't matter who is getting upvotes or not -- that's secondary. That's a neat bonus way to accumulate an investment fund to cash in on the next time we get a sustained +$1.

But we're never going to get there unless there is a cultural shift toward using HIVE as a toolset for building community engagement - with a unique value proposition that content creators are providing to their audiences [which are larger than HIVE.]

.:.

EX:

Writers.

Kindle Direct Publishing.

Ebooks.

-- 1000s of people read a single book, and all there needs to be is a link in the back to a discord / hiveonboard -- and a strong value proposition to be involved in the creation of the next project, or to experience the research that goes into the next project directly --

Something that incentivizies engagement, / comments / votes on posts pertaining direcTLY TO YOUR content.

This is the level up.

/rant.

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I'd love to see more musicians using Hive. Bring your 1000 true fans here. If they invest what they might on Patreon then you can have a nice income from them as well as them supporting others. Plus they get to earn something for themselves. And you can't be chucked out if you break some 'rule'. I feel we need to build in niches to start with. If it gets big enough then others will be interested. Adding users one by one is just hard work. I am not a marketing expert, but I am sure others can organise that.

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I agree with you.

I think it's more like Project by Project -- Person by Person.

So, if I do a project, and it earns X - HIVE / ETH / USD -

And it attracts ~5-120 users.

Some percentage of those are going to self-select to join HIVE, if my value proposition is strong enough for them.

Musicians, Artists, Writers, Yoga Instructors, Models, Photographers, Videographers, Animators, Ecological Builders, Game Devs, etc.

It starts with the communities that are already here.

The problem is that many of the people who are in these communities are only focused myopically on:

I made this, and I posted it on HIVE and I earned X from HIVE upvotes.

This is not the goal.

The goal is to earn your money in USD and ETH, and to simply let HIVE accumulate until an opportune investment appreciation time. This is like a more perennial version of harvesting from HP.

People are bringing the short term, paycheck to paycheck, what can I score within this little ecosystem type attitude to their posts, and that's the wrong attitude to have, For a vast majority of content creators that use HIVE.

The problem is that people need to think in terms of projects and services, rather than clever posts with interesting pictures.

Once people start thinking of their 1000 true fans, and participating within multiple economies and multiple ecosystems, you can sort of pick and choose what platforms offer what benefits, and then cater to them.

Kickstarter for example:

  • Excellent for Major and Minor Project Development.
  • Pre-existing community of shoppers.
  • Reputable platform.
  • USD.
  • Legit Customer Service, and community of creators.
  • Campaign Tracking tools.

Use this for small experimental project structures, or major project attempts.

Patreon:

  • One of the few [arguably the most meaningful] USD - Monthly, Automated / Reoccuring Micropayment system / Subscription.
  • Paywall Structure.
  • Legit Customer Service and Community of creators.

This is basically a private Blog, where you can collect people who are interested in Subscription USD payments.

I would put onlyfans in here as well, for models.

HIVE:

  • Ability to Post, Comment and Engage -- And Incentivize said actions.
  • Ability to form community groups.
  • Pre-existing Community of Crypto Savvy people.

Use HIVE as an audience engagement platform / dev blog for the projects that you feed into the platforms listed above.

ETH:

  • Defi
  • NFTs for Music and Art
  • Game Dev.
  • Uniswap -- Private Currencies. // Community Currencies. [Basically a more powerful version of Hive Engine.]
  • Colony.io -- And DAO Guild Training and Bank Structures.
  • Animation Via Golem
  • Highly Experimental Crowdfunding Projects.

The challenge is to build a project whose financial structure is a synergy of the above elements, And THEN bring that project to Twitter / etc.

Then people will self select where they want to go - and some of them will come to HIVE.

The cool thing about that breakdown above is that each of them offer something unique to the other.

.:.

I don't know if it will work, but I'm going to try and make it work for my erotic graphic novels.

I just think it's a way more sophisticated and interesting way of doing business than just hoping for upvotes on HIVE, and then cashing that HIVE out right away.

CC:
@juliakponsford
@stellabelle
@midlet
@elgeko

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this is epic. you need to make this into an entire post.
such great info here.

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I thought it was a bit much for a comment, but so it is.

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You need to work with the Hive Marketing team that @stellabelle is building. We need to set the right sort of expectations of what Hive can be for creators and their fans. The fact that fans can earn too is a good selling-point.

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yeah, fans can earn too, this is a huge advantage over other platforms. And yeah @rootdraws you should join our Hive marketing discord, it's very friendly, and open to ideas like yours: https://discord.gg/7yYFEq3

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I'd like to join and share what I'm doing for my own project on the marketing discord.

I'll probably do so soon -- when I rejoin alienhoney.net [alien art hive discord]

I had to shut down all of my discord activities except for my own patreon discord for a moment, just to narrow my focus. It's kind of a natural thing I've been doing.

I'll be glad to share what I'm actually doing with my experiments when they happen.

For the moment, I'm just enjoying some time with a friend, and then I'm going to finish up my latest graphic novel project, and prepare for a cryptovoxels show at the CV gallery - alienhoney.art.

When that has completed, I'll find some way to try and use HIVE as an audience engagement platform, and we'll see how that goes.

The idea is solid, I think. I just need to try it out and see how effective it is off the bat.

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I agree. HIVE is unique in that respect.

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This "protection" is just the form of censure.
Centralised, autoritarian and patriarchal decision on witch voices should be heared by people and witch must be silenced and stomped. Just as Justine Sun does its abuse of power, in disguise of "justice and protection from bad people".

Let people decide themselves. We don't need your censureship, we don't need "a wise supervision" on our content.

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It's mainly about unearned rewards and it's not centralised. Self-votes are not fair on others. Let the community decide what your posts are worth. We each get to choose on that.

Be part of something instead of just taking...

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I see you found another one of those people who only believe in "letting people decide" if they agree with them. Otherwise, it's all "censorship" and "authoritarian".

You are casting your words before swines.

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Yeah, it's all fair until it turns against them. Selfishness could kill Hive, so I hate to see it like this.

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It's your opinion. My goes: I invested shitload of money and freeze my tokens here, HODLing for years. I want MY posts and comments to be visible, be on top, and I upvote myself to get it. It's allowed AND incentivised by code. 100% legit.

If you hate it - it's your right to be upset. But what right do you have to terrorize me to force me what to do with MY money? In Russia we have saying: "Ugly peace is much better than a beautiful war". Live and let other live. Isn't it an idea behind all decentralization? If I wanted to be censored and told what to do I'd rather go to Reddit.

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Contrary to what I have heard from others I do not believe that most of the witnesses are just out for personal gain.

Perhaps a better way to put it is that many consensus witnesses and certain larger whales wish to see the status quo remain as it is. That is, lots of token grinding at the top and crumbs sprinkled to those below.

One good example of retaining the status quo is that the original HIVE fork did not deal with something as simple as witness vote retention. A new witness has to win enough support to surpass Jerry "Can Suck His Own Cock" Banfield (who holds the 91st witness slot as of this writing) on their way to consensus witness. Such inactive witnesses keep up and coming active witnesses off of the top 100 list and invisible to most users; which intentionally or not promotes the status quo. Why not a list of all active witnesses? Just sayin'.

In fact there were no new technological developments in the original HIVE fork. The main purpose seemed to be more administrative. Things like moving STINC's stake to the SPS slush fund guarded by @gtg's Return Proposal (#0) which raises the bar on what the community can endorse on their own without the V.22.2 Cabal's approval. Of course the Cabal have enough stake to pass their own initiatives like the afterthought of a $30k tip to everyone's Sweetheart.

We are in agrement that most witnesses are not out for personal gain. They are likely paying for their server(s) out of their own pocket. Love of the community keeps them blinded to the fact they are being taken as chumps by those token grinding at the top and wanting things to stay that way.

If you think that the Community can simply vote them out and that HIVE's great decentralisation has given us that ability, then let's have a look how things stand even with the STINC stake hidden out of any accounts in the SPS slush fund ...

hive-graph-3.png

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I think most witnesses are smart enough to know what goes on. They need to call out those who just exploit the system. Orcas and dolphins hold a lot of HP between them.

Witness votes should fade over time if not renewed.

Of course there is the fear of retribution if you call people out.

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Why not a list of all active witnesses?

I've been in discussions about this with @blocktrades a couple of weeks ago and the witnesses and developers are going to look in to a "witness vote decay" system (after this latest HF24 that's coming up). The idea here is that the power of your witness vote will decay over a period of 9 months if you don't change or update your witness votes. Hopefully this will start putting the inactive and stale witnesses down and out.

I suggested that it should really be based on when that witness was last active rather than the votes that are given to them.

The discussion is still ongoing as to the best system but join the "Hive Governance" community and put your ideas forward to discuss this.

Personally, I think education on the witnesses and voting is paramount and something often overlooked. Will be writing a post or two about how governance works on Hive in the future but as @steevc replied, Dolphins and Orcas combined can have a say as well - looking at your chart, there's 65% of the total HP that isn't in whales hands so things are changing, it will take time.

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... it will take time.

Particularly if the massive STINC ninja mined stake, in the SPS slush fund, finds its way into that 35% creating the same ninja stake problem with a different chain.

Nice to hear it is at least part of the conversation. Thanks for sharing.

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Yeah there's quite the loot there! Wonder how much an upvote from that account would be worth considering it's growing by a substantial amount each day with the 10% right?

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I want to say the hive community has been wonderful and welcoming so far.....as a newbie i thought it would be very difficult to integrate and frustrating to navigate my way around. But with the help of @bhoa, @nathanmars....i have been able to do that with ease and learn alot within just 6days, also special mention to @josediccus, @tarazkp for their encouragement also chekohler for being welcoming. I think if newbies get this kind of help from people in this community it will encourage them to put more work and appreciate what is been done here. I think a strong and successful community is one which pulls it's efforts together and work with a common goal. Thanks steevc for always rallying everyone together

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It's great to hear your experience has been good and it shows what a good support community can achieve. Keep finding ways to stay engaged. Look out for contests and find people who share your interests. I see you like football. Not my thing, but plenty of fans on Hive.

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Thanks very much for the advice and i am also into health too☺

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Very true Steve! Thanks for your mention ;) We need to make Hive attractive for ALL. Good and exclusive content.🙌

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Cheers. I am keen to help out new users as we cannot afford to lose them. As well as creators we need the fans. If you had a 1000 fans here who each buy a bit of Hive then they can all give you some nice votes whilst earning themselves. It is not like Patreon where they have to keep paying each month. It just seems like a good model for both sides.

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To support your work, I also upvoted your post!

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I think building is really important now... we can't rest on the laurels of "Look, we created Hive, and look how well it went!" That was just the start.

I'm about to embark on a a bit of a 90-day "experiment" of creating a lot of posts/essays/articles designed entirely for a readership outside Hive... as part of just getting the name out into the world as a venue for content creation. I'm mostly looking to "become visible" with the whole crowd I used to do social media with, before there was Steem... many of whom are fellow writers/bloggers.

I've decided now because we finally have some tools to add metrics: @peakd now has traffic counts available; and with @roomservice creating the @hiveonboard web site where you can actually track whether people sign up from your links we can actually get a sense of whether it's working, something we never had on Steem.

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We definitely should not be sitting back right now. Hive is tiny compared to some of the potential competition. I am talking to various people about how to recruit. If each of us brings in a couple more people it can make a real difference. Just need it to go viral.

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thanks for the mention. In my latest Hivepeople post, I outline what is being done to solve: 1. Onboarding and 2. Retention. Please read it if you have a chance:
https://peakd.com/hivemarketing/@hivepeople/hivepeople-3-month-report

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My pleasure. I think we need a big push on various types of marketing. Even with the low HIVE price we still have something special. It could be a good time to invest, but that's a personal choice.

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Also, a big shoutout to @hivetrending because he created the @planktonsupport project which i am supporting with @hivepeople's HP, as it upvotes brand new users with hardly any HP. It's also manually selected, so the spam/trash isn't upvoted.

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Thanks for the shout out! I hope we are making a difference.

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WE have our work cut out for us.
Once peakd integrates the referral system, we are going to go full hive ahead...
i am def a bit grossed out that the tokens are the same price.
i think we all have to think harder and do more.
Be more effective and ask new people how to improve.

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It's definitely not going to be easy. Even when we had the resources of Steemit we struggled to grow. Hive has even less public awareness and so we have to get the brand out there. We do have some good people on social media pushing it, but some stories in mainstream media would be good. Anyone got contacts with journalists? We need to get past the whole Steem/Hive split thing and forge our own path as the platform of freedom and opportunity.

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I thought Justine was working on that PR aspect?

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Not sure. I am not keeping up with all that is going on, but I'll look out for update.

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100 days hey, be interested to see where the next 100 takes us! The way I see it, I'm using this as a chance to buy up cheap HIVE, with the announcement/news/rumours that PayPal is going to start accepting cryptocurrencies more widely, this is potentially massive.

An easy on ramp for people to buy crypto... imagine if we can get HIVE in there and transactions between between businesses and people can be done easily via PayPal in 3 seconds... will give the naysayers I've been trying to convince that things are too complicated a riposte then!

I'm going to keep loading up until I get to Orca and keep an eye on the price, I've already reached my BTC target so now it's just a case of accumulating HIVE and distributing it out to new users (that aren't alts or bots)

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I may buy some little bits, but need to watch the finances at the moment. Easier ways to buy and sell crypto would make a huge difference. My Wirex card does the job for me.

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I tried Wirex but could never get it to work despite going back and forth with the owners. No retailer or place I tried to use it would accept it so wrote that one off. Glad it works for you though, think I've been cursed haha!

Just seen HIVE go up 4 % right now, from 2280 to 2360, nice! Shouldn't have had such a lie in this morning, I could have bought some haha

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It did take a while to get fully verified for the card, but it has worked when I have used it. I did hear someone say they lost some crypto from theirs, which is worrying. @communitymanager is their non-obvious account, but they don't seem to use it.

Good to see HIVE make gains on Steem. Keep buying if you can as it all helps.

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Ah, maybe I didn't quite wait long enough then but losing crypto is not cool, this is why I prefer the hardware wallet like Ledger Nano S. Sure, I'm not earning any interest but I'm also not risking anything in case 3rd part services close down or falter for whatever reason.

I've kinda not paid any attention to STEEM since I ditched it, heard there's this other token BLURT getting launched as well which I'll subsequently trade for HIVE, whoever thought of that name..?

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I know that I tend to vote the same people up all the time. Occasionally I try to spread it around a little more. I also know that I am pretty good at engagement, so I don't feel too bad that my vote isn't getting spread around as much as some others.

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Well if you see something re-Hived that you like then it may be an opportunity to vote up someone else. I am also mostly voting on those I follow, but I vote up comments too.

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