Signs that new creators are arriving on Hive or...

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... is everyone now using an alt like @theycallmemyname ?

Well I've not dug that far into things to be able to tell you that, but I do have a couple of charts that perhaps show that new blood is joining the Hive.

The first chart is split into years and as you might expect, the fewest number of creators that posted in the past week arrived in 2016. I am one of the 271 accounts that arrived in 2016, although I didn't really get going until early 2017.

The interesting thing to note on the first chart is that accounts created in 2017 and 2018 are still here in more numbers than the accounts created in 2019. Was 2019 really that bad? 😝

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Moving closer to the numbers and the next chart has the account creation date split into quarters.

Shout out to @blocktrades who is the only account that was created in the first quarter of 2016 that posted in the past week :)

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The lull through the final quarter of 2018 and throughout 2019 is plain to see. Yeah OK, 2019 was pretty dire.

Finally, an even closer look for those with good eyesight, not much different looking from the quarterly chart but I thought I'd throw it in anyway.

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Soo, what's the conclusion? I guess the new chain has helped spark the revival - numbers picked up from around March-April this year, but they have continued to increase.

November is only 12 days old and so I expect that total to surpass last month, meaning it would be the largest influx of new accounts since the crazy times of end 2017 (December is highest) and early 2018.

With a small tick-up in HIVE price these past few days, is something slowly happening?

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That is good to see that the numbers are picking up with new accounts creating, I wonder why not many from 2019 are not posting often. Still word is getting out there with the new accounts being active.

I think that just prior to SteemFest 2018 the price of that shitcoin was hanging onto a dollar/80c, and then it just fell, and fell.

Yep, it's early days but I see a little promise...

Yea, the price of HIVE does magic when it climbs, and let users go to sleep when it falls.
Number of posts is declining in last months. Number of comments in the rise, kinda... Wondering if this has to do with more user engagement, or more bot comments, and "thank you" comments. My experience in the music side of things at HIVE, is that many dont even bother to go to other users posts; Some do, but others dont. I have no feel if this is across the board, or more or less at the music section only. I think we need your League to include all accounts and show them on some website; It'll be easier to really analyse the dynamics, and maybe even helps to connect the social users on HIVE better and to force the none-social users to become social (the later we need, so maybe by having their activities transparent and easily accessible for all of us, will help to make them better HIVE users).

My experience in the music side of things at HIVE, is that many dont even bother to go to other users posts; Some do, but others dont.

This is a metric used in the EL, which I've just posted. You'll see 1st place with over 500 comments outside their own posts, that is a lot for a week!

I think we need your League to include all accounts and show them on some website; It'll be easier to really analyse the dynamics

Now HiveSQL is free, I am hoping more of the websites will look into providing more metrics - if not, I'll stick with doing my bit for the time being :)

500 comments outside their own posts, that is a lot for a week!

Thats huge indeed. Total comment length is not too large to be honest. 120 characters per comment in average. But ok, some users go the extra mile. I do hope more will become a tat more social then just blog posters and responding to comments to their own post.

Now HiveSQL is free, I am hoping more of the websites will look into providing more metrics - if not, I'll stick with doing my bit for the time being :)

I do hope so. Could you consider to create another post series ranking all users of HIVE? Or at least the active ones (whatever is considered active)? You could go about it as a post, not as a league with rewards to start with.

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Very interesting. I have posted relatively consistently since early 2108 although I created my account in July 2017. I have to admit, there are some.new and interesting accounts although engagement is definitely down as @traciyork has also observed.

Thanks for this. Food for thought

Yes I do think it's a mix of newcomers and some older accounts with new Hive related names - hopefully more of the former!

And I'd guess @tarazkp and I are the two most active from January 2017...

It would be nice to think that maybe something is finally happening, even if part of it is on account of Hive getting getting pulled along by the LeoFinance activity. In the end it all adds up...

even if part of it is on account of Hive getting getting pulled along by the LeoFinance activity. In the end it all adds up...

Just another hundred apps to do similar and all systems are go :)

And yep, we are probably the most active from then, and perhaps among the most active from any period :D

Or just in the History of Hive :)

I wonder what the list would look like to have the most active accounts from periods. What would the points be? posts, comments, frequency?

Hive being pulled along by its apps is the way it should be I think. Hopefully this is now beginning with a returned interest in Crypto.

Another arrival third quarter 2016, started posting 2017. Stats in graphs always interesting.

2017 - 2018 many were finding out about cryptocurrencies (plus many loudhailers marketing this field).

2019 turmoil everywhere, slump in markets, uncertainty, greed factor disappeared along with big marketing figures, whole scenario changed.

Currently early 2020 paddling the same boat upstream, only starting to look better once again, then so is BTC which in turn peeks the interest into how to earn in cryptocurrency.

Next breath, this is all just my opinion, stats normally tell the story in the best way possible @abh12345

Another arrival third quarter 2016, started posting 2017.

Same as me pretty much.

Yep, starting to look better, crossing my fingers for us!

Starting to look more stable I agree, since last HF people have settled in, now to keep the word going out about life on Hive. 😃

I always get a little grumpy when I look over the numbers. I look at the number of people posting on Twitter and other social media about crypto and can't fathom why we don't support our own platforms more.

How can the crypto space succeed if we can't even support our own grass roots projects like HIVE? IDK, being rhetorical, but I just feel this is such a great community and platform. We have great people, awesome devs, free speech, token creation and our own altcoin listed on several well known exchanges. What else does the crypto communtity need to hop onboard?

Great to see the numbers up! I don't mean to be negative and it's not my intention. I just don't get what we need to do to onboard our fellow crypto enthusiasts and bring more content creators to our little section of cyberspace.

On a more positive note. Thanks for the promising stats. Great seeing the numbers going up!

We have great people, awesome devs, free speech, token creation and our own altcoin listed on several well known exchanges. What else does the crypto community need to hop onboard?

I have wondered a lot about this and cannot give you an answer, it is somewhat baffling. There is plenty of time ahead though, and I'm hopeful that things will improve next year. Thanks for the comment :)

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Excellent information, your analysis very interesting, I appreciate very much that you shared this encouraging information, without a doubt an increase in the price would be like a tailwind in growth
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Price will help but it seems there is a little smoke already :)

2019 on Steemit? - LOL - yeah it SUCKED!

Even more these days :D

I'll bet! - I stopped looking at it after the hardfork because I don't speak Korean

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i am in the Q2 2017 camp... that is going to be a few years now... almost old school, pre bull and bear market

Definitely classed as old school 😁

It might be interesting to look at WHO is creating the accounts. I know that @edicted was claiming a couple(he even claimed @whack which I had to beg back from him) and those aren't real new users, thats just more stuff for him.

I've looked recently and saw edicted was creating a fair few. Not that many just yet from leo - I might stick a post up on it soon.

My account was created on July 10th 2016 but I don't post on a regular basis but just make comments here and there. I rarely see any account from that time having any activity (it is easy for me to spot them since I can easly recognize them). Most of them just cashed out and left so I guess I am one of the few left from that era).

What are your thoughts on this "social with rewards" thing then. Do you think it still has a future. Could it be a competitor to mainstream or will it just continue to be a niche?

As you said, majority have left so I wonder how you see it.. one of the ELDERS!

The initial plan was to use the social rewards to bootstrap an economy built around the community that forms around it so it wasn't an end in an of itself. In part that is taking place.

In my opinion the success of the social layer depends on 3 factors:

  • Scalability (needed to be able to onboard millions of users).
  • Enticing social apps.
  • Marketing

Steemit Inc did not follow trough and in hindsight was just an obstacle with the mismanagement of the development fund.

I think that it can be done but it's up to all of us now instead of a centralized entity to guide the process.

LeoFinance is a good proof of concept on how a social rewards platform can function.

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I agree on your point of LEO.
I see it as an example to the Hive development team even.
I'm not so supportive of decentralised because heavy fragmentation works against a system/business. So what LEO are doing is a great combination. The users are committed to the engagement, yet the development isn't dependent on spit-balling ideas. There's a clear roadmap and a progression to achieving those goals.
The result.. well i's obvious.

Your 3 factors shows that even Hive isn't a success though. Because I personally don't see social here. The reliance on discord to stay connected is absurd. I don't see growth. Because user leakage is high. The marketing is non existent. Community initiatives to keep spamming Twitter is all that keeps repeating.

IMO, blockchain social with rewards was a good concept but very poorly executed. The technology not yet there to challenge mainstream and take from them significant amount of users yet people kept (and still try to) push that idea.

The platform/tech needs polish.
It needs to cater to a large audience and needs to retain their attention.
My 3 factors for that are:

  • MOBILE APP
  • CHAT ON CHAIN
  • OVERLOAD OF CONTENT (not just original Hive content)

Obviously easy onramp to the network (which LEO have done, but Hive is too proud to copy.) Once you have a much larger user base, you keep them on the platform by making sure there's no need for discord. Rewards chat activity by fractions. So a user that might never post content will still stay loyal to the chain. That also works as network effect and users onboard their contacts. Finally content is what maintains attention. Hive should be a Hub where people share the internet, just like reddit. Reward that sharing also. Then original content stands out and you can introduce revenue models like subscriptions, adfree experience, pro platform tools, etc.

This is just my opinion.
Hive depends too much on the community to make this go mainstream.
That's insanity. It didn't work with steemit because as I outlined above. So much was and still is missing with this chain. I respect that you're still here and believe in Hive but the fact the majority left should not be ignored. The system needs a major upgrade in order to compete.

You are one of the few :)

There was certainly a good time to cash out, but it's a shame not many (any?) returned with a much larger holding.

Very interesting statistics!

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Interesting statistics.

Thanks!

Maybe it's the same people but creating new accounts for hive, I saw a lot of people do that.

Yes that will account for some of the figures, although you would expect that most of that took place in March/April?

True, didn't look at other graphs closely enough.

Well thats good to hear. Great news! I do hope that they are actually new users though and not the same sort of shit we saw on the Steem blockchain, where a single user would have 100 accounts that all circle jerked each other in order to rob the reward pool. Lol. It doesn't seem like we have that sort of thing here on the Hive but there will always be people who game the system. If this is real growth though, which I hope that it is, then thats amazing.
Thanks for the update

Thanks for stopping by :)

Yes I'm hoping it's not just accounts for circle jerking - this does seem to be happening far less on Hive. Although, eyes peeled if/when the price goes up!

really interesting charts! Thanks for sharing; it is vaguely similar to the price development...

Thanks!

Yes activity has a strong correlation with price, since forever!

I guess the new chain has helped spark the revival - numbers picked up from around March-April this year, but they have continued to increase.

Looking good! Great idea to analize this! Cheers!

Thanks dude!

Just popped into my head last night, quite rare anything useful appears there!

Encouraging statistics!

Yes they are!

I've struggled to find positive stats to present for a while, but these are better :)

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It is my pleasure. It sounds like you will use the small gift wisely :)

Everything I earn on the platform is for my daughter.

I wonder why the number of account creation is higher in 2020 compared to 2017 and 2018.? Even though at that time the price was very high.

I saw a resurgence in hive prices. I believe this slowly.

Well, this is accounts created that are posting - there were a lot of accounts created in 2017/2018, but most have faded away.

Jaded answer:

LEO hype --> "new" accounts popping up to harvest intro rewards.
Lower HIVE price --> firing up dormant accounts to farm rewards to catch the uptrend. Increase posting for the same
Alts --> lots of alts.

Jaded but I agree there’s ‘some’ of all the above.

Those last 2 charts look like big fat bottoms to me.

They make the rockin' world go round.

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Quite right!

I'm part of the 13, Q4'16.... Account created in mid December or something like that, first post in first week of January 2017, or second, or something like that. Some users I know onboarded in the early days (Q2/3/4'16), moved on to other things, got tired of all what happened in the community. New blood is good! I simply hope we can really progress, otherwise new blood will retire as well.

Yay!!! New blood!