RE: Witnessess, you f**** up... It is probably time to take responsability for your own mistakes.

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As someone who has researched apologies for governance mistakes (ex. Japan should apologize to East Asia some more), apologies are lovely but the term is requires clarification to have any meaning or purpose.

It seems to be a matter of ego. Do you want them to bow at your feet and beg for forgiveness?

What actions will be forgiven if they apologize?
Will their apologies ever be enough to please you?
Can you clearly define the type of apology expected?
Do you promise not to demand more apologies if they meet your expectations?

That said I don't think they need to apologize.



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hi @abitcoinskeptic

Why Japans should appologize to East Asia? Just curious.

Do you want them to bow at your feet and beg for forgiveness?

I don't think @phgnomo want's that :) However knowing that witnesses are capable of admiting to mistake (assuming they did one) would be very refreshing and probably ... unexpected ;)

Just to clarify my stand: I have no opinion about this issue and I'm only trying to figure out what other people think.

Cheers, Piotr

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Why Japans should appologize to East Asia?

Events leading up to and during WW2 in the Pacific. Many people in East Asia feel Japan is not apologetic.


I'm just curious why anyone would want an apology from the witnesses. It's like asking the police for an apology because they woke us up when trying to stop a thief.

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Apologetic? All the big powers think that is nonsense in today's world where everything is measured in the "economy" you have.
A recent example, watching Mr. Sun flexing his muscles purely on the weight of his "wealth" to disrupt a decentralized chain, in the name of which, he is making millions.
So till the big countries (like the US) apologize to the natives, nobody else doing it (like Australia) matters.
So, the only people whose apology will matter right now, would be the Tron foundation/Justin/steemit Inc, I think.

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This is a really insightful reply, thank you.

It makes sense that the focus shouldn't be on an apology because an apology is something you do when no amicable resolution is possible. Apologies are usually for feeding or repairing egos.
I don't really think anyone's apology would matter right now. An offer needs to be on the table from each side and discussed, first. Or perhaps, all sides can start and end every discussion with a handshake and an apology...but I guess you see where I'm going with this being pointless.

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Thanks for prompt reply @abitcoinskeptic

I'm just curious why anyone would want an apology from the witnesses. It's like asking the police for an apology because they woke us up when trying to stop a thief.

I kind of disagree with you on this one.

Witnesses are not police officers. There are kind of ... like politicians, who dominated entire goverment and are all representing one party. And those politicians started conflict (soft fork) after which they promoted narrative "us versus him" - narrative that will probably not serve steem blockchain at all.

So it's hard to expect that all users will be happy about it. After all it's a game of powerful and wealthy people. And small users will pay the price and will be often manipulated.

ps. I've noticed that your topics are quite often aligned with topics published within project.hope community. Perhaps you could consider posting within our hive in the future.

Yours
Piotr

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The police officer narrative may not be the best, politicians may be more appropriate. But seeking apologies from either group is pointless.

I agree, we little people are being pushed around, but we aren't completely being left out. Let's keep making our voices heard.

I will take a look at your community, but I find it very difficult to browse so many, it's difficult.

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