I don't know what to say
I have been quiet. Many of us have been. Silently watching Tron and Justin continue with their relentless campaign to take over a decentralized blockchain and its community. What difference can I make? I don't have funds to invest. I can't code to help break free. I feel totally helpless. All I can do is watch everything we have all worked for over the years be taken from us and destroyed. And why? Because money talks? Because Justin Sun is too proud to admit he got it wrong and can afford to burn his bridges and his investment? Fuck the little guy that has invested his time and energy.
Does this all sound familiar? It's this sort of shit that brought me to steem in the first place. A promise of a decentralized world where no one central organization could take control. A place where the content creator and consumer can have ownerships, rights and a voice. I am a content creator. Its how I make my living. It was before steem came along and it will be if steem does not survive. I just though steem was different. Maybe I was delusional to believe in a truly decentralized system, a new web. A more fair system for the content creator and consumer. After all, without creators and consumers, there would be no web.
I have wanted to post. To continue on as normal, but I have not been able to. The uncertainty is harsh. Things are not normal. Do we stay or do we fork? I think the fork is well underway and a recent post from @blocktrades confirms this. But what does that mean for a truly decentralized web? It's like we are being moved on like an unsocial gang of youths instead of a professional organization. You know the way those illegal sites go down and pop back up under a new name. Is that the way things will be for us?
I don't know what to post about anymore. I watch @papa-pepper with admiration. He was one of the first accounts I followed here on steem and things feel normal when I see his posts in my feed. Thank you for being consistent @papa-pepper. You are one of the rocks of steem. And then I watch @theycallmedan. He is really fighting the fight. Activity on steem and on traditional social. fighting for what I believed steem to be. Fighting for the dreams of a decentralized web. He too is a rock. Thank you for fighting for our dreams @theycallmedan. And to everyone else that is doing the same.
So what happens next? I wish I knew. With Covid19 putting many of us on lockdown, patients and emotions are thin right now. I will continue to stand with the steem community. I will continue to campaign against the #steemhostiletakeover but I don't feel I can make a difference and I just don't know what to say.
steem on - or is it hive on?????????
but Paula it has never been a decentralized blockchain !
I know how good it feels to be part of the in crowd but lets face facts.
Steemit has been run by a pack of thugs and one can only assume that they have been deliberately working against Steem achieving mass adoption. They are are not stupid people.
Who said they are not stupid 🤣😂🤣
I read @blocktrades post and sifted through the comments. I think good things will come out of the hardfork.
listed.
people who are dependent upon Steem for an income.
Steen to zero.
owned solely by the community.
have joined. They have good things planned for the new network.
that's a good summary of what's going on.
Hive on or is it Jive on? 💃🕺
strive on
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I feel you and feel like nothing. But what can do for now just read the post and then create content.
I proud of @theycallmedan too. He really fights for our community.
Steem bring bad news every day like Coronavirus :(
Im reading loads, but not posting much. It's hard to continue on as normal when there is no normal any more
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Feel the same way...Just a marketing dude, no real blockchain skill set, no endless pockets....Just a guy sitting here trying to create content and bring people to STEEM....
Errr....HIVE ? lol
yeps its a hard time for us normal folk and all we can do is wait and see
The technical stuff is easy; we have the best nerds money can buy.
All that really matters is solidarity.
https://steemdb.com/steem/@blocktrades/why-i-won-t-be-compromising-with-justin-sun/reblogs
yeps it is sure getting a lot of support
Shine on you crazy diamond.
I just got home from Italy and am now in 14 days of self imposed quarantine. :)
Lost of time to read/watch the events involving Steemit.
14 days, no way. I do hope its not to hard. we are on partial lock down and its not good. Not moving is one thing, being told not to move is another :-)
I don't know what to say either.
Really, well let's try some swear words. How about Fuck?
Fuck the fucking shit?
The fucking cunts just did a shit on us (ok a bit more of this and I might feel better) arsehole dickwipes.
Bearded cockthistle twunt wankers.
Note to self: Mention how these words are not directed towards anyone. They simply exist for fun and stress relief.
I fucking love it 🤣😂, also not directed towards anyone
Your even getting a full vote for just going along with me
Typical raffle-coppin, whatever that means. Maybe Google it.
heck you are 1 in google with raffle-coppin, damn you rock
Yes. I thought you'd like that. Wasn't a fluke either. Someone reading some old literature might stumble into my work now. I like sprinkling little Easter Eggs all over Google like that.
Hive sounds promising, but now I'm thinking I'll have to go adjust links to point to my Hive space. I left a trail of breadcrumbs. Now I have to go pick them up and make a new trail.
Fuckity fuck.
Not an easy place to be right now, both worlds in turmoil, the walking world which will soon be forced to sit and twiddle thumbs and hands and try to avoid going stir crazy in some places, and the typing world being forced to move, or to stay under the thumb of a dictator telling people what they can post what they can vote on and what is quality. Talk about everything upside down, sit and do nothing, move or do as I say, not a lot of choices available right now.
It is like everything is in a holding pattern waiting to land or continue on the way.
I'm feeling cabin fever
Day 5 of partial lockdown and I'm already going crazy
Where I am we are not in a mandatory lock down, but voluntary one, we are trying to only go out and do our shopping thing once a week in the middle of Sunday afternoon, seems to be the quiet time for that stuff. The weather can keep us inside in the winter for a week sometimes, but we are going on week 4 of trying to limit contact due to my health issues. So I have been doing a lot of commenting, and visiting of blogs on Steem Block Chain, and avoiding the flu news.
I feel the same but I also have a SCOT community and token running as well. Not sure where that is going to land. I'm hoping that the SMART contracts can be migrated. Either way I'm glad there's some direction forward. The stalemate was doing none of us any good. I think he - the name that should not be spoken :-) - missed a big opportunity and a larger return on his investment. Anyhow - Hive, hive away!
Damn, you have a Scott. That's way more uncertainty than I have to deal with. I wish you luck 😀
Being under an endless threat by a madman who I would not be shocked is going end up in jail in 5 to 10 years when all the shady stuff he’s been up to catches up. Is no way for people to thrive and grow. Let alone the community that make up a place.
We went all out while we could. Sure many of us still have quite a fight in us. That fight can be used to informing people of a new place where they can get back to creating content. The other option is waging war for months on end. Whats the win condition in this war? All of Ninja stake getting nulled?
I for one welcome the new chain as a beacon of much needed light. We might as well take advantage of these troubling times and have a path forward. This will require a fair bit of work of people telling everyone they know it’s time to move on.
Tron values money and as far as I can tell nothing else. There own coin is so inflated in supply they can barley keep it above 1 cent on a good day. That is with all their contentions, wealth, and endless buying of new toys for their master to play with.
The value is in the community. Where ever that might end up. This place without it is just a database.
You put into words all my feels ....
If I say "proof of stake require stake to make proof," is that a little too on the nose? I mean, it is right there in the basic definition of the commodity and everything on the platform is based on that basic assumption.
So – yes. It remains to be seen if Justin Sun got it wrong and will burn his investment. It took years for Steemit Inc. to bring things to the level of instability and general despair of improvement that provided the opportunity for Sun to be able to afford to move ahead and make use of the system as written. He invested then used the steak he got in return for his investment as it was designed to be used.
I find it absolutely hilarious that JS is simultaneously portrayed as a genius multimillionaire who knows how to exploit every single dime out of a system and a bumbling incompetent who is only interested in his ego and couldn't make money with a printing press. That is the sign of a bugbear, a made up threat which has exactly the capabilities the speaker needs to create an air of uncertainty and panic at any given moment.
You may have been a little delusional. But on top of that, you may have made a particularly bad decision: at some point you stopped believing that the platform was here to enable your business and started believing that your business was here to enable the platform.
Now you have to make a decision – which is it? Is the business, your business, more important than the portal through which people do business with you? Is the business, in effect, more important than your choice of credit card processor? Is the business what you're really interested in doing or is it an excuse to do something else?
You were delusional to think that the web was not a truly decentralized system. It was, is, and will remain so. Anyone can set up a server, anywhere they like (outside of truly authoritarian countries like Iran and China), put whatever they like on it, and take responsibility for whatever business they do on it. That is true decentralization. Nobody can keep you from doing that. You labored under the misapprehension that you could put some of that responsibility on other people and that they would not, in turn, leverage the power that you gave to them in exchange. That's not just a little foolish. It's a lot foolish. Have you met human beings?
The Steem blockchain was always about power being centralized in the hands of people who held the token. For the last three years I've heard people go on and on about how that made the system as a whole "decentralized," and I've known that they were very poorly educated on what the word "decentralized" meant. If you recall, I produced graphs, descriptions, and code for people to be able to prove it to themselves, but the same arguments came up again and again. All posted to the same very small handful of websites controlled by a very small handful of people using a database driven by a token largely held by a very small handful of people, and all of these hands were at the end of the same arm.
I'm not sure how "fairness" and "decentralization" ended up riding in the same boat, either, but one never implied the other and if someone told you that, they lied to you. These are orthogonal axes even when they do occur in the same system.
That's not actually true, is it? The web is a series of protocols which describe a method by which servers and clients can communicate. And that's all it is. While there would be very little purpose for the web without "creators," if you define "consumers" to be "people willing to pay for that content," the web doesn't require them at all. The original web as an academic signaling system had no interesting consumers at all.
What you mean to say is "people buying stuff" and "people selling stuff," as well as "the commercial web." Confusing these terms is the root of quite a lot of emotional distress for many people.
Here's your problem: what does this have to do with your business? What does your business have to do with the platform? Why does it matter whether or not the Steem blockchain forks to you pursuing your business? Does it not seem dangerously disingenuous to convince yourself that your business depends on a platform that never has been in your control?
Have you dealt with Steemit folks? Have you dealt with most of the developers on this blockchain? Have you dealt with the community here? Having done so, can you really say that they are in any way not more like an unsocial gang of youths than any kind of professional organization?
I've worked with professional organizations. I've programmed for professional organizations. I've written for professional organizations. The Steemit blockchain doesn't represent a professional organization (outside of a few, very rare, extremely unusual individuals). Professionalism is not the name of this game.
And you are seeing the inevitable consequence of that.
But what you are saying is not "you being moved on," it's "you choosing to move on." Which might be a perfectly reasonable decision, a perfectly sensible way forward, but you'll never know it unless you actually think about the situation professionally.
If you keep chasing the ball, they'll keep throwing it.
If you decide that the ball is only of interest for the moment and you can stop chasing it anytime you want, the ball no longer controls you.
Only you control your business and only you can decide if your business is more important than the patch of dirt it happens to occupy at the moment.
Personally, I would argue that the "hostile takeover" occurred when witnesses decided to act unilaterally and collusively to remove the power of stake from a major investor, putting the entire platform at risk by undermining one of its core principles, but regardless – if you can't make your business function because you're worried about what Steem is going to do, you arbitrating your business. It's not more important to you than the patch of dirt.
If you want a new place to put down roots, there are plenty of options. There are plenty of options if you want to do business using cryptocommodities in new places. You want integrated video and blogging? I moved my YouTube content over to LBRY over the last week, and honestly I think I made an excellent choice. Distributed content platform? Check. Ability to host video and HTML? Check. No obsession with proof of stake cryptocommodities? Check. Resilience against censorship? Check. Ability to decentralize hosting for your material and allow it to be linked to from any other social media architecture? Check.
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Drop by. Check it out. There are a fair number of people already there and sharing content.
Steem is just a platform. It's a way of getting your content in front of people. You still have to get people to see that you have content on offer, and the Steem blockchain doesn't do that for you. You are doing that for you by going to where people actually are and directing them to where you just happen to keep your stuff.
The Steem community is not your business. Your business should drive your engagement with the Steem community.
I can absolutely understand being pissed that the overall value of the STEEM in your pocket is tanking like the Titanic. Except of course that it is doing that along with the rest of the global economy and Bitcoin, the primary driver of cryptocommodity value. I can absolutely understand being deeply concerned that JS is not doing things to improve the value of the Steem token as you would have them. My wallet is taking just the same hit.
But being goony about "decentralization" and playing this victim disempowerment shtick? Not cool. You want better tools? We can find you better tools. You want to work your business? We can get you to work your business. But none of that has anything to do with the Steem blockchain except the harsh realization that your understanding of the platform has been wrong and you have over invested your time and effort into something that isn't your business.
We both got on board back when the value of STEEM was meaningful enough that producing content on the platform provided rewards in trade for the deliberate choice of being somewhere discovery was harder for most people. That hasn't been true for over a year, if we're being generous. That is not the fault of JS, that is the fault of Steemit Inc. and the crop of witnesses that have largely been the same folks for the last couple of years.
The fact that the Steem blockchain doesn't work for you is a side effect of the fact that the Steem blockchain doesn't work for anyone. There has been plenty of uncertainty and doubt for years. Right now, people have an excuse to express it.
So what are you going to do for your business and not the platform?
It's ok for people to have an emotional rant. Not everything needs to be cross analysed. You should try it some time. I guess emotional awareness is not one of your skills.
It doesn't need to be.
But if you're going to have an emotional rant in which you raise questions, it's probably good to listen to the answer to those questions no matter how you feel about them. Putting feeling before thinking is how you get into these situations.
You can and have done better. This is just me pointing that out and reminding you, and also pointing out that there are people who not only expect better but know you can do better.
Not everything that makes you feel good is good for you and not everything that makes you feel bad is bad for you.
Do better? Like wtf. Do you think you are my school teacher or something.
I don't know. Do you need one? When people let their emotions get ahead of their reason, especially when it involves their business, they often need someone to point out that they're falling down on the job.
You are the one who has publicly claimed that emotional upset and disturbance is getting in the way of your chosen occupation. You are the one who has stated on more than one occasion that your business is important to you. You are the one who is saying all the stuff in the most public format possible, and a context which is extremely unlikely to ever go away. You are the one who is explicitly referred to your recent statements as "an emotional rant." And you were the one who appears to continue to be emotionally wrapped up in it.
Seems like someone should say something which isn't just going to feed your fire of being tied up in emotionalism.
Maybe you need someone to take you to school.
You have every opportunity in the world – and at this point, that's pretty literal, considering that your job and occupation is entirely focused on things that you and the people interested in consuming your product do in physical isolation via Internet intermediary. This is one of the best opportunities you are going to see come along in decades. People are concerned, they want to have tools that they can use to understand the financial situations that they are in, and you are in a position to not only fall back on the library of media you've produced but to speak right to the oncoming need.
But instead – you're having an emotional rant about stuff you can't affect and ignoring everything that you can affect to the point of paralysis in actually getting anything done.
You tell me. Do you need a schoolteacher? Do you think what you're doing is helpful to you or anyone else? Does it convey what you want people to know about you?
I'm pretty comfortable with what I'm doing. You are not if we take you at your word.
I'm assuming that you can "do better." I've seen you "do better." And now I'm admonishing you to "do better."
An excellent counter question would be "why do you care?" A very excellent question. My reply would be "why should I care?" And formulating the response to that is the sort of thing that should give you pause, because if I care enough to actually tell you things, that's probably a good sign. It's the people that don't care enough to challenge you that you should be worried about right now.
The schoolteacher would go a long way.
it's not always business and my personal steem account is not affiliated or connected to my business in any way. And yes, I am capitalizing on the current situation and will do well from it, but that does not cut off the emotions and bonds I have made on steem. You are a smart cookie, but when emotional intelligence is missing, being smart can be rather lonely.
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I can recommend staying off those PAL discussions, I stopped attending after week 1, they are just anxiety inducing.
It's heard not to get depressed at the truth, that Steem is only as decentralised as its richest person.
Probably the same will be true on the next fork.
Maybe you're finding it hard to write about because the truth is that governance decentralisation needs to be decoupled from stake in order for things to be truly decentralised.
Dan and Blocktrades wouldn't like that idea any more that Sun.
I just don't think the two are compatible. Maybe a 'decentralised stake weighted governance system' is an oxymoron, pure and simple, unless we have total economic equality IRL.
In other words, this was never any different to Facebook, in terms of power and control, really.
Maybe? I dunno, I need to go live in a field and plant trees. Seriously.
I understand how you feel, Paula. I feel the same... everyday I want to post but I just don't know what to say. I do not have the funds to power up millions, I do not have the skills that developers do and I feel kind of useless..
I'm however still here, reading many posts, trying to keep up with constant changes while worrying about the Covid situation as well. I feel overwhelmed and it's just the beginning....
Hey I'm with you on this one Ireland. The accumulation of uncertainties on the planet and steemit platform have sent me away from daily blog posting. I have powered down. My local income stream and work has dried up here in South Africa this year with the melt down globally, and I think this may be true of half the planet right now. I may need to sell all my steem for food. If I can even sell it. And now it's worth peanuts.
With all that's going on with the plague I have to say having Steems future to think about has been a great diversion. As a tiny account of 3 years I find it more difficult now to be heard as most of the reward pool seems to be going to fight war effort. Whatever happens with Hive I hope content will be king again.
" I hope content will be king again."
^^^^^^ this.........
I really understand you. We fighted so long time for the name steem. We did our best to choose those witnesses. The decision should be taken by the community, not by a group of people. I didn't know anything about the name before. The community didn't choose it. About moving it's ok, but is that the true will of all the community ? Why we worked so hard in twitter to spread the truth about steem and to keep witnesses in the top. Only 7 witnesses left to be there to make the change in steem itself. We can keep fighting. Are we giving up on all what we did ? It's hard to promote hive now.
The entire situation is a mess. You have worked hard for ur community and steem. Many others have too. I so hope it all works out
I feel you, Paula. I share your sense of futility and helplessness and admiration for the people fighting, but I'm tired of it. It's not just the stuff on Steem(it), it's the dastardly virus and how it's affecting everything and everyone and it's trying to get on with the business of life and earning a living.
I said this somewhere else, but I have a sense, when we get there, it'll be "the other side". Whatever that is. And I hope that a lot of the good folk we've come to know as part of Steem are there, too. Including you and I.
I think we will be there, but if I out as much in as I did here, well that's yet to be decided.
Good. I agree.
The name steem and steemit doesn't mean that much to most people, I think its part of the space to be able to fork and go your own way. I think web 3.0 is still about splitting and continue to split and thats fine, eventually it will turn into a mesh network but you can't have that without having various streams to eliminate single points of failure.
I'd say it's about time we fork and leave all that negativity and baggage that the steem chain and brand holds and be a real community-driven project. these other coins will all die in this next purge as liquidity dries up in any case
Some of the existing steem users are also very negative and will be moving with us. What a shame 🤣😂
The we better hope hive has more robust flagging rules
I completely get where you're coming from, Paula. All I can say is that after listening to a bazillion hours of Discord chats, YouTube videos, and reading nineteen thousand posts (my math might be a bit off...lol), I'm encouraged by this development. I think we're about to take a turn towards what you hoped this platform would be. 😌🤗
Time will tell. My math must be off too because I read 10 million 😅🤣
Hey, @paulag.
I do identify with this. Lately, I've managed only opinions of what's been going on, which isn't what I want to write about, but writing what I do want to write about seems to take more time and energy than I have, along with the uncertainty of it all.
It's basically, "What's the point?"
I haven't been on STEEM as long as you have, nor have I even attempted to be as involved or to do what you have done, so I can only try to imagine what that's feeling like for you. I'm not even sure I know what it feels like for me.
I've never been so loyal to STEEM that making a move elsewhere was out of the question. The problem is, where? Up until now, the main options were STEEM, some failed or failing sister chain of it, and out there on some other chain.
Now, there's Hive. Many of the same actors who made STEEM what it is are onboard with it, mainly because it has nothing to do with Steemit. Granted, Steemit wasn't all that it was cracked up to be, and it certainly is less than it was now.
The one thing I do know is, I can't stick around on a chain that has no hope of ever being decentralized, and with the fork, that's pretty much where STEEM is going to be. If Sun wants out and someone manages to buy him out and then somehow keeps it afloat, wow, major kudos. Otherwise, everything ends up folded into TRON, however that works, and STEEM ceases to exist.
So, it's either go with the devil you know, or jump into the unknown. I don't like following the crowd because they generally get it wrong. It's a rock and a hard place for me, and I wish others felt it just a little more than they seem to do. Maybe they do and just don't want to express their reservations yet.
There will be a new power stuggle on the new chain. I'm losing faith. Maybe it's the partial lockdown but I dont feel the positivity
I'm sure the partial lockdown isn't helping. Our version in it imposed today in Oregon isn't helping me any, that's for sure.
However, at this point, a power struggle here, or on the new chain, or on a totally different chain, seems inevitable. I guess we shall see. Prepare for the worst, hope for the best, and expect something somewhere in the middle. :)
patience *
I agree, I enjoy seeing creators posts that I have seen for years.
Patients, but I'm not a doctor 🤣😂🤣😂
I am not sure what is going to happen. But until then I have been continuing as is. Although for a bit I pondered whether I was going to do so.
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