Fun With Numbers: Leo Ecosystem At $250 Million

How would you like to be part of a quarter billion dollar entity?

Those who are involved in Leo might be well on their way. In this article I am going to break down some different comps to see where things could stand.

Obviously many of us are excited about #ProjectBlank. It is something that we feel will truly revolutionize the blockchain application world. The unique way of interacting with the Hive blockchain removes some of the barriers that we saw with other apps of this nature. At the same time, the easy sign up using a Twitter account will mean a seamless transition over.

Twitter is the natural starting point for this comparison. Naturally, we are going to have to take some liberties with how we are looking at things. Since we do not know the numbers in advance, it is requiring a bit of guesswork.

But what the hell, that is why it is fun with numbers.

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The starting point is monthly active users. From the charts that I could find, the furthest back is the beginning of 2010 when Twitter had a userbase of 30 million. As we can see, here is what things looked like.


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Now we need to try and figure out some metric to value the users. Since Twitter was not public at that time, we cannot go by stock price. Fortunately, we can look to the private funding to give us an idea.

Here is what there private funding rounds looked like.

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Comparing the two charts, the closest we can come is using the December 2010 Series F and the end of Q4 users. This means we have a valuation of $3.64 billion with 54 million users.

Dividing that out, we get $67 per user.

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Of course, Leo is more than just the microblogging application (which isn't even released yet). Thus, we need to take a lot at the core of the platform, the blogging site.

The Leofinance token is now worth around $3 million. It is traded on the open market so we have a true valuation for that.

Over the past month, according to simpleanlytics, we see that Leofinance has 91,000 visitors. There were also 517K pageviews during that same time period.

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Leofinance was born out of the idea of being a Web 3.0 version of SeekingAlpha. So how does it compare to that site?

We see that SA is a lot bigger in terms of the traffic.

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According to Worthofweb, the value of Seeking Alpha is $253,000,000.

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Here is how the per user is valued on each system:

Seeking Alpha $16.86
Leofinance.io $32.96

As we can see, the value on Leo is worth about double what it is on Seeking Alpha.

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Certainly these numbers are estimates and nobody knows what a site like Seeking Alpha would truly go for. However, it does give us a barometer as to what to base things from.

Here is where I will take a some liberty. I will call the difference in per user value from Seeking Alpha to Leofinance the premium of Web 3.0 as compared to Web 2.0. We see a market based system with Web 3.0 where the users are actually paid and having assets that can appreciate. This will have to be worth something as compared to a site that pays a small percentage of the proceeds out to the authors.

Could we do the same thing with Twitter's numbers? For the sake of this discussion, why the heck not. Thus we can use the figure of about $130 per user for Web 3.0 Twitter versus the 2.0 version.

By the way, Twitter's market cap is now $40 billion with 336 million users, or $119 per user so we are in the ball park.

Also, Twitter users average 11 pageviews bringing the total to over 2 billion per day. This is a big difference with Seeking Alpha which averages less than 3. That is the difference between long and short form content.

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So how many users will it take for Leo to be worth $250 million.

The answer is about 1.5 million.

We see this in the math: 1.5 million at $130 is $195 million with that same number at $33 is is near $50 million.

Thus, if Leo gets 1.5 million users, based upon these numbers, it will be a $250 million entity.

So how realistic is all of this?

To start, the per user numbers might be inflated. That is entirely possible. However, we know the Leofinance number is based upon the market pricing so that is not arbitrary.

At the same time, I just took two of the projects (tokens basically), long and short form. We know there will also be a governance token. As a comparison, Uniswap, which is nothing more than that, is now worth $4.4 billion. Certainly it is absurd to expect that type of number yet keep in mind that Leo will also have its own DEX running on its own sidechain.

Another question is how realistic is 1.5 million people. We can see that is about 1/10th of what Seeking Alpha gets on a monthly basis. However, it is a miniscule number when looking at Twitter.

Here is something I wonder: how many people had heard of WallStreetBets before the other day? I would say not too many.

However, here is what their Reddit community is:

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They have 6.5 million registered users, although most are likely not active. Nevertheless, we aer dealing with a number that is 1/4th that of what WallStreetBets has.

Thus, when you add it all up, Leo has a chance to be a $250 million ecosystem. Between Leofinance and #projectblank, the Dex, governance token, miners and perhaps the granddaddy of them all, LeoFi, we can see how things can explode rather quickly.

Another comparison, Parler, before they were shut down, had, according to Wikipedia, 15 million users. Again, we are dealing with a much smaller number as well as a wider audience for the microblogging application.

What are your thoughts? How realistic are these numbers?

As always this is not financial advice plus this is not a claim that the LEO token will have a market cap of $250 million. There are going to be a number of tokens that will feed into this number.


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One spark and numbers can explode. Before that, things need to happen in the project which is being carried out by the developers. Web 3.0 interface needs to competitive to web 2.0 apps. At the moment, our blogging site looks incomparable to the sleekness offered on the other side. I am using noise.cash for quite some now and I can guarantee that the user numbers and engagement will grow exponentially if marketed strategically. We need a sleek product, strategic marketing and a meme :P (the last one was a joke, of course)

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Actually the microblogging app should have a ton of memes tied to it. That is the ideal marketing tool. Send them all over the place.

We are still a work in progress, that is for sure. However, we have come a long way and are still in our first year.

There is so much taking place, it will be fun to see where we are in three months.

Just this week, Lightning went live on Leo which makes the site act like a web 2.0 site.

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Oh yeah, I am experiencing the speed and I want to scream out loud. It feels good. The team is doing an amazing job. I hope the microblogging platform will be a tool to watch-out for.

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I have a feeling there will be a ton of people creating memes when the name is released.

There were some in Leomarkettalk today who were posting a few.

It will really take off and the platform is designed to send out memes, we will just use it to promote the platform.

We become social media instead of having to use social media.

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So many numbers and no price tag for Leo?

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Hard to determine that even in guesstimate form since we dont know the roles of the other tokens. We know there will be one for the microblogging app that will resemble, so we think, PoB in some form. Then there is the governance token but what feeds into that. Plus will there be a part of the microblogging that directly provides value for LEO?

None of this is spelled out as of yet.

Nevertheless, at about $50 million, we are likely looking at about a $6-$7 token when we hit some of the numbers listed on here.

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I have no idea what a valid price would be or not as all I have to act on now is LEO and wLEO and their current price/caps. Your numbers seem possible as we are only starting the phase of where blockchains will be tested on whether or not they can truly be decentralized. I have no reason to doubt whether HIVE will survive. In my opinion, it will flourish if we can develop the applications and have them appeal to the incoming crowd. It could be greater if we can gain enough users but at the same time, it could be a lot less if we do not gain as many users.

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It all comes down to users. Hive is going to flourish because all of this is a feeder into that. Of course, there is a lot more feeding into it than just Leo. Plus, with this new app, the other projects have a decentralized social media app to promote their platforms.

I think this is key to building up the entire ecosystem. It is all interconnected so it is worth it for each app to pull in as many people as possible to help feed what they are doing.

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Here is something I wonder: how many people had heard of WallStreetBets before the other day? I would say not too many.

I never heard of it before too only after the incident.

What are your thoughts? How realistic are these numbers?

To try and be diplomatic as much as possible I'll say the numbers are near to possible. When we look at Twitter. What type of potential does it have? Why do people use it

Twitter is a social media Platform just like Facebook but in a microblog form. Both of these platforms are centralized, the world we live 10-20 years ago doesn't involve people looking for a way out of centralization.

Most people don't even know what centralize and decentralized really means and the type of impact it has on the society.

Now that things are changing, alot of people now has the understanding of what centralized means and are moving towards decentralization(greener pasture) it's logical to think of Leo micro-blogging to be a blockbuster for the blockchain. And it'll only take time for things to start happening. That numbers is achievable but it'll take some time. Let's look into 5-10 years and see what happens. Rome wasn't built in a day

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Most people don't even know what centralize and decentralized really means and the type of impact it has on the society.

You are right.

But they do know getting your account closed versus not having it able to be shut down.

They also know having your tweets deleted versus your posts protected and online for as long as the blockchain keeps running.

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Exactly!! that's how it's easy for most people to understand.

Either way it's better to join the revolution now than later because at the end of the day you'll surely come around.

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In my mind, it is an easy sell for people. This is a way to protect one's twitter account, well at least the data.

If the account does get zapped, then the person still can interact on projectblack.

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Of course, Leo is more than just the microblogging application (which isn't even released yet)

You shared lots of information about upcoming microblogging on Leo. is there any tentative date for release. I believe now there should be a date as we have been hearing a lot about it for the last few months.

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if the product ( the whole Leo ecosystem) will be up to scratch then we're one meme or crypto scandal away from those numbers - if we can position ourselves in an advantageous way in said scandal ( obviously ).

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Memes will be a great way to get the word out there. We will see a lot of attention if the community starts making them and spreading them around all over the place.

The creativity on here will enable us to promote the hell out of it.

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Look like twitter numbers are some kind of stagnant for past few year.

Easy access, freedom of speech, scalability and one big endorsement , we can just have very explosive growth.

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