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I miss quite a lot of buys and sells by a couple satoshis and it is pretty annoying to think what that might mean to my total stack a few years down the track from now. If you consider that if the total future supply of Bitcoin was spread evenly across the global population, each could hold a max of 0.003 BTC, there really isn't that much to go around - that 0.003 has a current value of 27 dollars each.

Interestingly, if the current supply of HIVE was spread evenly in the same way - each person on earth would have a max of around 0.05 Hive - Yes, 1/20th of a HIVE. That means that with my 132,000 HIVE POWER, I have the equivalent of 2,640,000 people's HIVE - Half of Finland's population. That 0.05 HIVE is currently worth 1 cent.

Of course, none of these numbers really mean anything, but I am constantly surprised at how few people will take a punt on buying a few Hive, just in case this whole "crypto thing" does go big - as Hive is a place that has a good chance of being a gateway for many into crypto, in the same way it has already been a gateway for many into crypto. lot of people on Hive didn't no much about blockchain or crypto prior and there are many including myself who have learned a lot from their time here.

While it is great to earn crypto for free, I was wondering what amount is needed for the future. Now, this is going to depend heavily on personal requirements as well as localized conditions, so it is all speculation - but then, crypto is all speculation at this point.

So, let's speculate.

Imagine you want to have a million dollars worth of crypto in the future, how much do you need now? How long is a piece of string... Yeah, it is incalculable because we do not know the future value at all. So it comes down to personal expectation and timelines and a host of other decisions, meaning we should narrow it a bit.

What do you expect the price of Bitcoin to be in five years from today?

Let's say that in five years, Bitcoin is going to be 1,000,000 dollars. Therefore, we would need 1 Bitcoin today and that is currently valued at 9100 dollars. So, if we predict the five year value from now to be at a million, for 9100 dollars today, we can be millionaires. Do you have 1 Bitcoin? Do you have 9100 dollars you are willing to buy one with?

Note, 9,100 dollars would buy 43,300 HIVE today and to be worth a million, Hive would need to reach 23 dollars in that five years. Well, that is not quite true as if one actively uses it to vote with and gets an average APR of 10%, you would have about 72,000 HIVE POWER, so it would need to be around 14 dollars per HIVE for the stack to be worth one million.

Now, you might think that it will take 10 years for BTC to get to a million, you might think it will take two, you might think it is going to half in price or go to zero also. Speculation.

As said, it is great to be able to earn crypto "for free" in various ways and I am fortunate that on Hive I get to do something I thoroughly enjoy to earn with, but that doesn't stop me from buying when I can, or stopping myself from spending if I can - which I have been pretty successful with so far. I have made my first ever purchase with crypto recently though - a pair of Bluetooth earbuds for my wife. Five years from now, that purchase could have cost me 3000 dollars... I didn't want to make the purchase, but it was necessary to keep the card I used active.

How I see it is that my future financial position is likely heavily tied to crypto on the upside, where if I am ever to be comfortable, it will likely be crypto that makes it possible. The results without crypto doesn't actually change much, as I am doing what I can with what I have with what I earn too. This means that if crypto does do well in the future, every dollar I put in now has a far greater value in the future, every dollar I don't put in will suffer the opportunity cost.

This means that in the future of 1 million dollar Bitcoin, every 3€ bottle of Pepsi I buy today is going to cost me 300 dollars later. I can use that 3€ to quench my thirst by consuming the Pepsi or, I can drink a glass of water and use the 3€ to consume 0.000329 of a Bitcoin. If I think that Bitcoin will one day go to a million, that glass of water looks pretty good next to a 300€ Pepsi.

Now, we might want to have 1 million, 10 million or 10 thousand dollars in some future, but the decisions we make now are going to affect the outcome in a set period of time or, lengthen or shorten the timeline. You might want this amount for yourself or at your disposal for others, for example in a charity - but if investing into the future, one has to be forward-thinking and have some process to build a view of that future and the steps required to get there. Yes, collecting whatever crypto one gets for free might be enough to satisfy that future you and your needs, but it also might not.

Trade or no, we are all speculating on the future in multiple ways daily, even if we aren't in crypto or trading of any kind. In Finland for example, very few save for their children's education, as education is largely state sponsored - they speculate that in 15-20 years from now, that will still be the case - I predict that it won't be, or the requirements to "qualify" for free education are incredibly high. We speculate on the future daily, making all kinds of predictions through our decisions, even if we don't actively think about where what we are doing is leading - every meal, cigarette, beer, gym session, handshake and emotional outburst has a cost of some kind associated with it that will affect our future life, even if the current cost isn't apparent.

We invest into our future actively and passively every moment of the day and we can't take every opportunity, we can't always make good decisions and, we are going to make some shockers - financially, socially, romantically, emotionally. Decisions that seem so correct today could be the most costly, and the opportunities that seemed so risky could prove themselves a no-brainer down the track.

Now, I have no idea about the future value of Bitcoin, Ethereum or Hive, but I speculate that they are going to go up, along with others, so I keep buying in, keep working and earning, keep supporting the industry where I can. I get the sense that while a lot of people say they are positive about the future of crypto being bright, most don't actually support their speculation, they don't put their skin in the game. From an investment perspective, speculation means investing into something with the hope of gain, but the potential for loss. Someone can speculate without skin in the game and protect themselves against the risk of loss, but what is there to gain?

If you maintained the same portfolio you have today - how long do you think it will be before it is worth enough to you?

Taraz
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Unfortunately I think it will be some time before it will be "enough" for me.

However, I am willing to put a fair amount of skin in the game (by my standards) for the chance :-)

I am by nature a sucker, but also visionary at times. I can't count the number of times I have missed out on something I "knew" would be big by not investing (cough -- BTC -- under $100). Actually have a couple of friends who still think I'm secretly rich cause I talked about it so much back then. Little do they know I actually didn't walk the talk :-0
If you don't put skin in the game, it doesn't matter that you were "right".

So, I have gradually progressed to taking more chances with my hunches as I have gotten older. Hasn't worked out yet, but I can also say that it hasn't really hurt me either.

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Unfortunately I think it will be some time before it will be "enough" for me.

It is going to depend on many factors - and the amount needed will vary greatly.

Actually have a couple of friends who still think I'm secretly rich cause I talked about it so much back then. Little do they know I actually didn't walk the talk :-0

I have a couple friends who walked it and they have many ex-friends that didn't listen :D I was too far behind the game for that - technically at the time, financially when I first got in. Slowly trying to claw my way in though.

If you don't put skin in the game, it doesn't matter that you were "right".

Yep.

Hasn't worked out yet, but I can also say that it hasn't really hurt me either.

Many want massive gains - but they don't want to take the slightest of knocks.

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You expect cryptocurrencies to attain extremely high values but the economy to be in such a shape that paying for university education through taxes won’t be possible. Who’s going to buy all the cryptocurrencies?

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I see that schools are designed to create employees. There will be very little need for most of what is possible for the average person to learn at a school as a lot of it will be replaced with automation. It is something like 600K (in Finland) from age 7 to university graduate and there has to be a ROI for it to work. If unemployment climbs enough, education for all won't be justifiable.

Who’s going to buy all the cryptocurrencies?

Who buys all the money?

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I see that schools are designed to create employees.

Education has value that goes very, very far beyond that.

Who buys all the money?

There's going to be at most one monetary standard per country. If there's going to be a global reserve currency that is a cryptocurrency, it will be Bitcoin. But if Bitcoin subsumes all of the value in M3 money, mining one Bitcoin is going to require impossible amounts of energy. If it's going to be a PoS coin, it will not need to be a cryptocurrency.

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Education has value that goes very, very far beyond that.

And the value for a government?

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Education people behave in a civilized manner.

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Do you think that it is only possible because of state education? Also, do you think that educated people act in a civilized manner when an economy fails?

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Do you think that it is only possible because of state education?

In individual cases, of course not. At a population level? Yes.

Also, do you think that educated people act in a civilized manner when an economy fails?

Why would it fail?

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In individual cases, of course not. At a population level? Yes.

Just remember that in 2015, the "most educated country in the world" had vigilante groups patrolling the suburbs with Alsatians and pitbulls.

Why would it fail?

The potential reasons are too numerous to count - but war is definitely on the cards. Debt crises. Mass unemployment. The continuance of driving nearly all value to the very few at the top.

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"In individual cases, of course not. At a population level? Yes."

Just remember that in 2015, the "most educated country in the world" had vigilante groups patrolling the suburbs with Alsatians and pitbulls.

Just look at the general and ongoing chaos in the less educated corners of the world.

"Why would it fail?"

The potential reasons are too numerous to count - but war is definitely on the cards. Debt crises. Mass unemployment. The continuance of driving nearly all value to the very few at the top.

That is why political awareness and activism are needed now. Without education we will won't be able to do anything about any of that.

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This is a talk you might find interesting

https://samharris.org/podcasts/205-failure-meritocracy/

I think that is only half the episode, but you could possibly find it somewhere else.

Just look at the general and ongoing chaos in the less educated corners of the world.

Have you ever considered that the chaos in those areas is symptomatic of global issues, not local education?

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Your post is enough mentorship for me.. a lot of wisdom.

I love the pepsi analogy, we spend a lot of money on things that are injurious to our health but dont care about our financial freedom..

Great post thats all i can say..

The amount is not something i can measure, i just know i want to be as rich as ai can and i will do what it takes to make it the most legit way i can

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we spend a lot of money on things that are injurious to our health but dont care about our financial freedom..

Crazy, isn't it?

The amount is not something i can measure, i just know i want to be as rich as ai can and i will do what it takes to make it the most legit way i can

What I like about Hive is that if I do okay, most here will too and, I would have helped some of them too.

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You have helped a lot from your post to your upvotes. You have been wonderful..
Through reading of your post, i have seen the reason why they say readers are leaders.

When i came back on the blockchain some two months ago, you were like the first person that got me commenting on steemit. I followed you up and i must say, after reading most of your post , i can say i am on hive because of the motivation, i got from your post. There was this post on youths wanting instant gratification , instead of working and gathering little by little. That singular post is what is keeping me on hive.

Thank you so much for all the wisdom .. i hope to see my self telling you that my crypto worth is worth some valuable dollars.. Thanks to this way of thinking ..

I see why peole like to chill with older people

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That singular post is what is keeping me on hive.

Hopefully it works out for all of us :)

I see why peole like to chill with older people

:D :D

Now I feel ancient.

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Now I feel ancient

Compared to me, may be you are

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we were all young once - most of us wasted the opportunity.

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I am happy to learn from your fountain of knowledge..

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I am glad I have over 0.003BTC just in case.
Interesting prediction about education remaining free. I think it will turn imto some sort of indentured program first sort of like when military pays for college in ckuntries where that isn't free.

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Education needs an ROI - the cost of education on average has to be covered by taxes that those who are educated on average will pay. With increasing automation, less people will have jobs and the education level most will be able to achieve won't be high enough to outperform the automation. Why educate people who will never work? Well, at least in the current education system, this wouldn't happen - in the future, education will have to evolve, as will the way we organize our society.

I have more than 0.003 too, just in case.

As I see it, in the future, crypto currencies can replace what we use now, but buying in now gives a head start - rather than playing catchup.

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I worked in education for a while and was educated in education.

I agree that an ROI is required to justify public spending. Tax payers rights is important whenever money is necessary to fund something.

With MOOC (massive open online courses), it is debatable if the government needs to get involved for most things above primary education (skills necessary to survive in society) any more.

Phrases like 'education is a right' are vague and misleading. Access to education and inforamtion is a right, learning is a right, but to what extent does the state need to provide? Many things people learn after about 13 years old are electives and not part of any core primary education.

A lot of people would be best off working some menial job until they figure out what they need to do or why gaining a valuable skill is valuable.

I really like states where some form of civil service is compulsory, or leads to free higher education/tax write offs. This does not have to be military, there are plenty of jobs civil servants do that anyone with a basic education can do. It would save a lot of money.

It comes down to whether or not the state's role is to create and make jobs.

I lean towards no because unfortunately public jobs are so much better than private sector jobs. The idea that the state is responsible has created inequality and way too many cushy jobs. It's now a contest to try and get a somewhat menial job with the state and become set for life. This makes no sense and is unsustainable.

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With MOOC (massive open online courses), it is debatable if the government needs to get involved for most things above primary education (skills necessary to survive in society) any more.

I think that governments themselves are already pushing toward this direction and the speed at which they were able (at least in Finland) to push "school from home" due to Covid, was pretty indicative.

When it comes to rights - I err on the side of unless it is a natural law, it is a privilege. What I mean is that "rights" will change constantly depending on circumstance and I don't see education in its current form lasting - it is rapidly becoming irrelevant and has been for a couple decades.

I think that the tax laws are pretty indicative of government position too. A person pays up to 50% taxes (more in some places) - whereas a company pays less than their employees - with creative accounting, this approaches zero. The state educates, the companies employee. The problem is, the companies that are profit driven will continually look to cut costs of employment, meaning automation in ways that cannot be educated. The economic system fails.

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L verdad es muy explicito y coherente lo que has publicado, tratare de hacer lo mismo,saludos.

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I missed out on selling my OMG many times for profit too as I was waiting for the price to go higher. The wait can be killing. In the end, I decided to convert those OMG tokens into other cryptocurrency for staking so that I can constantly earn an interest. Not quick earning but at least I am earning slightly daily without the need to monitor the market so extensively. If Hive can be popularized, I guess we who are the early adopters would be smiling with a fat bank account but relationship building on Hive is still the priceless one. !tip

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I have missed so many things - but I figure that on average, I am up. Though the work to be there has been pretty intense. What I like about crypto is that it isn't just win and lose financially, there is a social and societal component that ties us all together.

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A famous quote from “only fools and horses” dell would always say “this time next year we will be millionaires”

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That is silly. Two years from now we will be millionaires.

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The show has a cult following, I suspect you have never seen it?

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Whatever we make is never going to be enough because the more we make the more our lifestyles adjust to compensate XD

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I don't think mine changes too much these days - but I did buy a house :D

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And a lot of pretty things to make it look and feel nice when functional ugly things that were cheaper would arguably have sufficed XD

(I would totally have bought the pretty things too)

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I remember in 2014 I bought a carton of untaxed cigarettes from Eastern Europe, for my father in law. Only cost half a bitcoin. He didn't even like them.

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What a bargain. Does he ever remind you of this? Or do you ever remind him of the specialy carton of cigs you paid 5K for? :)

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I think people should buy a hive in case go boom like bitcoin in future
like when bitcoin started no have think it would worth that much today

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I think that is what many people do with all of their crypto. "The next bitcoin" - it isn't going to be common to have that happen now and the Hive supply is quite different to Bitcoin.

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Hive is a place that has a good chance of being a gateway for many into crypto

This has indeed been the case for me. In the beginning when was just learning about crypto, I wasn't in a position to invest out of my pocket and blogging for crypto kinda got me into the whole crypto thing. And as I see it, HIVE is not just a blogging platform to earn money. 101% of my crypto knowledge is from reading articles of crypto veterans on this platform and interacting with them on and off chain. The rest from youtube lol! You get the idea!

Okay, now on an absolutely different topic, I see you use justify text for formatting your article. But how do you make your texts italic or bold after using the markdown for justify. I have been using this code:

<div class="text-justify">Hello Taraz, How are you doing _today_</div>

But when using this code, while it does justify my text, the today doesn't appear in italic :

Hello Taraz, How are you doing _today_

Any suggestion how I can get around this? Sorry to bother you with this, but this I've been trying to fix this for some time now but couldn't find anyone who knew.

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Yep, I think you aren't alone in the initial learning and then the expansion into other areas.

for italics, I us the *

_ * italics * (without spaces) italics

_ ** bold ** (without spaces) bold

_ *** bold italic *** (without spaces) bold italic

However, the problem you are having would be fixed by putting a space after the open tags.

<div class="text-justify">

Hello Taraz, How are you doing _today_ </div>

Hello Taraz, How are you doing today

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Thanks so much, that worked perfectly!

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You are welcome. there are a few little inconsistencies in the condensers.

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Funny enough Hive doesn't have to go up 100 x or even 50 x for us all to do well. I believe it will but in 5 years time imagine the stake some people will have. I am sure you will have more than double what you have now and maybe closer to the 500 000 mark and I would like to have at least 100 000 if not more. In that case 10 x would be something as the more you have the doubling effect of the price takes on more significance. A 20% swing on a $1 Hive then would be $100 000 and it doesn't seem real yet it is. The investors in certain Hive Engine tokens will score on the back end as everything is backed by Hive.

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A 20% swing on a $1 Hive then would be $100 000 and it doesn't seem real yet it is

Crazy to think about, isn't it?

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I really like your speculation exercises for the mind. It gets you wonder and make/change/stick to plans. I believe crypto will definetely be part of the future. The numbers.... They will always change. Change is the certain thing we can be sure of

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