Demystifying HIVE: The Police Force

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Demystifying HIVE is a series of bite-sized posts targeted to new Hivians and for people outside of the HIVE blockchain.

The purpose is to try and break down the many complexities of the HIVE blockchain, its acronyms, and the current facts and falsehoods associated with it.


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I say ‘current’ because within 6 months some of the things I say may well no longer be relevant. It is an evolving experiment, and little remains static.

It's little wonder that the retention rate is abysmal given the huge learning curve a new person needs to endure.

Without some guidance, most give up quite soon deeming it bewildering and over-complicated.

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Other article's in this series:
Demystifying HIVE: Expectations

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When I say ‘The Police Force’, I don’t mean it literally. Abuse is not so rampant on HIVE as it used to be on STEEM, and in our present times I can’t comment about ‘that other blockchain

Someone has to do some quality control of what we see and what we read, else people will take the piss, and even with groups of organized people managing this shitty job this it still happens.

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Some might cry the words, 'CENSORSHIP' at all this but I disagree. Unless you are trying to sell weapons, show off your pedophilia collection, or promote terrorism the worst that can happen to your work is that it will be down-voted to $0.00. These are extreme examples and I can't recall ANY of these topics ever being discussed or promoted on HIVE.

You may be warned that you are a scammer, a plagiarist, a farmer by one of these groups or individuals. Some of them may simply start downvoting your work, that's if it can be called work, to begin with.

There is generally good reason and if you are here to post legitimate articles, that are ‘your own work, it is unlikely you will come across any of them.

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Hivewatchers

Formally named Steemcleaners, this group of several people make it their business to find plagiarists and spammers.

They don't always get it right, but more often than not do. Hivewatchers use the accounts, @hivewatchers, and @hivewatcher, but use the large account of @steemcleaners to help downvote abuse if required.

Plagiarism is the copying & pasting of others' work without giving credit to the original author or artist.
Plagiarized posts are considered fraud and violate the intellectual property rights of the original creator.

They can come across as a little heavy-handed and imply that you, the writer are a plagiarist. In fact, I have challenged them about this recently and they have acknowledged my words.

They do give several warnings to would-be abusers before you end up on their dreaded blacklist.

My words to you are, if you get one of these warnings then don’t ignore it. Respond to the comment and ask what the problem is. I have always found @hivewatchers reasonable to deal with and trust me.., you do not want to end up on that blacklist.

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...'once on the blacklist, this will be attached to ALL your posts; don't ignore @hivewatchers'...

This will end up with your work been downvoted continually and a harsh comment on every post you make.

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@themarkymark

As far as I am aware @themarkymark is not affiliated with ANY anti-abuse group and what he does, he does himself. I haven't pre-contacted him to get my facts right, but I'm sure he will comment here if I state anything other than the gospel.

If you end up being downvoted by @themarkymark and/or @buildawhale then it's likely you will be or already are on his own blacklist.


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...'some accounts are more destined to end up on @themarkymark's list than others. Best not to use handles like this one unless you DO intend to destroy'...

This is an independent person who is a major witness and specializes in anti-abuse. If he is downvoting you, then you can be sure there is a good reason for it.

Unlike Hivewatchers, there is no asking to be removed, it’s better to simply reply in your post and tag him asking him ‘what’s the problem’.

You will find he is quite a blunt person regarding facts but get’s the point across. I have found that he does not generally bear grudges and will leave you alone if your behaviour changes.

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Disagreement of Rewards

If your post gets a lot of votes, and a lot of pending rewards and lacks substance you may find more downvotes raining down on your work.

…’anyone can be a Police Officer on HIVE. If you dish it out downvotes then make sure they are justified or retribution will surely arrive’…

This happens less frequently these days and the downvoter may add a comment such as, ‘over-rewarded’. Don’t take it personally; it’s probably just a few cents anyway.

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The Gnats

You may find all your posts downvoted regardless of their content by individuals I term as gnats. These downvotes are harmless and often worth less than a cent.

Ignore them. They are generally done by disgruntled ex-HIVER’s or in the case of ‘King Gnat’ (@atempt, @stimialiti, @fersher, @slowgrow), old ex-STEEM people.

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...'I am one of the privileged ones that King Gnat downvotes. it just wouldn't be the same without him'...

This guy has been sending me downvotes worth around $0.0001 for over 2 years now with his FOUR accounts, all of which have barely any weight. If you get a gnat downvoting your stuff, consider yourself noticed, and don't let it bother you.

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Other Anti-Abuse Groups on HIVE

They exist but since the STEEM/HIVE divorce, there has been less need. Anyone can become a HIVE Police Officer, there are no rules and you can do what you like.

If someone disagrees with you, a downvote is NOT censorship. Your content won't be removed from HIVE and that is the difference.

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How to Avoid the Police Force

You have to remember that when you post on HIVE, you are rewarded for your work. It has to be earned, and so it has to be original. If you copy ANY part of it then you need to provide a citation.

Only yesterday @grindle was warned for not adding a citation to one of his recent Urban Exploration explores in Germany.

I know for a fact he's been there and that the photography is his work. The old image is so old that the copyright is likely to have expired (they don't last forever). It was the wording that attracted @hivewatchers to the post by way of an anonymous tip-off.

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...'the text and image does not belong to @grindle. All that is needed it the citation (which has now been added)'...

This style of history is often used on other Urban Exploration websites as a prelude to the author's work. On HIVE, as you receive rewards, it is important to cite work that is not your own. Otherwise, it will look like you are trying to pass it off as yours.

Using indents can also be seen as 'not your text' and is often used on HIVE. Use the > symbol before your copied text and it will appear like this.

This is not my text and has been copied from elsewhere.

The incident above has all been cleared up now, and let me show you how easy it is to add a citation to avoid this kind of mess.

Just add the citation directly underneath the copied text or picture. I purposely used a free image in the form of the cop car (above). This is what the code looks like.

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Drag your image into Peakd.com or Hive.blog and that will generate the top line of code. You then need to add the square brackets containing the word 'Source' and then circular ones and add the URL of the image.

When viewed it will simply looks like this.

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Don’t take the piss when using the work of others and use it sparingly. Try and use free images from Pixabay or Pixels for generic imagery. Remember to cite these also using the example above.


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...'Pixabay is a great place for free images. You don't even need to sign up.. but still cite the images as a show of respect'...

Posts on HIVE are a one-time thing. Don’t be tempted to regurgitate old shit and be rewarded a second time (unless the new version is substantially different).

You may get away with it once or twice, and then the Police will be on your arse.

If you want to upvote your own posts, do so. If you want to upvote your own comments then do at your peril.

This is severely frowned up so expect the downvotes to start once you have been discovered, and it WILL happen.

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...'downvoted posts can end up at $0.00 and have a lot of red cracked hearts. Don't abuse HIVE and it won't happen to you'...

Anti-abuse is a controversial topic and I for one partake in downvoting crap but am not affiliated with Hive Watchers.

Why do I do this? I am a decent-sized stakeholder on HIVE and I want the rewards to go where they belong, and not the spammers, plagiarists, and farmers.

Being an Anti-Abuse Copper can get you a lot of abuse. It’s not a great job to have but just like being a traffic warden, someone has got to do it.

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Nicely done and a great explanation of our hardworking abuse watchers!

Hope it helps some of the newbies, writing like this doesn't seem to be around anymore. Maybe it's because there are so few genuine ones.

I Re-hived this. I agree that we need more posts like this!

Expect a few comments on this, perhaps from disgruntled folks :)

People have to understand that any 'police' on Hive is just some user or group who have taken it upon themselves to look for abuse. There is no central authority here to appoint them. Having been a part of some efforts I know it can be a thankless task that can earn you downvotes (including the gnats). I've been hit by a massive account before, but others supported me.

Part of this is to protect the image of Hive by dealing with illegal activites like plagiarism, but users are entitled to downvote what they consider unearned rewards. There is only so much to go around.

I have had some cross words with Hivewatchers, but I can appreciate if they get stressed out. It is only always obvious why they blacklist an account and they could provide links to evidence to make it easy to check.

We just don't want to scare away new users who make mistakes.

With some exceptions, it's usually "it's only a community if they agree with me. Else, they are the police"

Some people go off in a huff if they get a downvote. It's only money.

Expect a few comments on this, perhaps from disgruntled folks :)

I am, they will arrive soon no doubt.

I have had some cross words with Hivewatchers, but I can appreciate if they get stressed out. It is only always obvious why they blacklist an account and they could provide links to evidence to make it easy to check.

I respect what they do, like we have said before.. it's a thankless task.

It’s a truly pathetic life some lead around here.

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LOL, I haven't been looking for a while.. I didn't realise he was still up to this hahaha!!!

Idk if I should laugh or cry really.

He's entertaining, laugh of course!

As far as I am aware @themarkymark is not affiliated with ANY anti-abuse group and what he does, he does himself. I haven't pre-contacted him to get my facts right, but I'm sure he will comment here if I state anything other than the gospel.

I am merely a stakeholder using my stake as I see fit.

Unlike Hivewatchers, there is no asking to be removed, it’s better to simply reply in your post and tag him asking him ‘what’s the problem’.

I did have an #appeals channel on the BuildAWhale discord until recently when I took it offline as BuildAWhale is no longer a thing. A new Discord has been created and will be announced soon to replace it. Also some other stuff...

That being said, I do look at everything sent to me and take it in consideration, regardless if I reply.

I am merely a stakeholder using my stake as I see fit.

As am I, but I think you are... how can I put it.., 'a specialist in anti-abuse'

That being said, I do look at everything sent to me and take it in consideration, regardless if I reply.

I know, thanks for helping this place keep (cleaner than it would be without you). I know you have to endure endless shit, I think we all do.. those of us in anti-abuse.

Can someone please tell me where the curve ends?

The voting curve or the learning one?

Learning in my case !

Ah.. a tad more to go yet...

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Good stuff. I am glad that you are doing these kinds of posts to help new people out. Now if we can just get those new people here, that would be awesome!

The only downvotes I got so far came from @dein-problem (for -0.000 Hive) but they stopped some weeks ago... Hope he's doing alright :D

LOL, a classic gnat. Most of them get bored, but not the King!

yeah he hits me every now and then too. I find it amusing

I hope king gnat has his DV on auto, otherwise it's a lot attention to be giving to us for no good reason, I mean a lot of time spent being bitter to no avail.

I don't believe he has, as my comments are also downvoted at times.. always failing to get below the $0.02 threshold. Imagine what he could do with that tenacity if put to good use.

He needs to go to Troll school to learn how to do it effectively, so far he's just making me feel sorry for him,

I just want to give him a hug and tell him everything's going to be all right (post-covid at least).

I'm fairly sure that's NOT the intended outcome of his actions!

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Nicely done. A very clear and concise presentation. Do the dos and don't the don'ts.

I've been known to DV obvious asshats. I always leave a comment with it so they know who to target in the future :)

so they know who to target in the future :)

Sounds like, Pick Me, Pick Me!.., and do they...?

Oh yeah. I get the odd occasional hate. Ahahahaha. Life is good.

There's basically two types of downvotes, those who like downvoting innocent people just because they can, and got nothing better to do in life. And the abusers, particularly the prolific ones, who think they are invincible. Luckily we have enough eyes on Hive

or those who downvote abuse, spam, and plagiarism without emotion...

There's not as much as before, or maybe I just don't see it. Always happy to help if it's blatant.

Great post and very useful for newcomers on Hive!

I didn't like the idea of downvoting before it was implemented on Hive, but I do agree that we all together, have to fight against abuse, plagiarism, and spam...



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I didn't like the idea of downvoting before it was implemented on Hive, but I do agree that we all together, have to fight against abuse, plagiarism, and spam...

Thanks man, it was on STEEM before the split and I was apprehensive about it, but it worked out well in the end. I was doing anti-abuse when you had to use your regular (then SP) to (then flag) posts. It always felt wasteful but was needed.

An interesting comparison of activists fighting spam with the police. There is something in this :)

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i love so much all the people that are fighting against plagiarism. As you say in Hive it's relatively better than Steem but one thing i keep telling in comments regarding the rapid growth of Hive/Leo is what then masses arrive, so do the pliagiarists,scammers,abusers,spammers.

We need to be ready when that times comes...

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There's not as much to do now, it was rampant on STEEM and often my DV power would be very low. I still try and use it now, but not for the sake of it.

we will tell stories in our kids about steem :P

"Steemit the Idea"
"Steemit the Prosperity"
"Steemit and the waves of Abusers"
"Steemit the downfall"

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I've barely used my downvote mana at all since I joined Hive.

i don't think I have ever DV'd anyone. I might have when i was drunk a time or two. I don't wanna get caught up in the game to be honest.