Would separation of money and the state solve the economic problems in world???

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I just watched a very interesting video that talked about how to end economic problems, which the idea to do that is going to be favorable for crypto because it is like they a just talking about the qualities crypto already provides as the solution to economic problems, although this solution will be the death of fiat currency and the power the government has over money, which is why I think it would be hard to implement and the governments will not allow it to happen so they can maintain the power they have and be able to print and spend more money.

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“What we need today…more than anything, is the separation of money and the state.

If you do your research you will understand this better, the separation of state and church in France in 1905, was what put an end to the religious wars at that time because the law to separate churches and states prohibits the states from recognizing or funding any religion at all, and now we barely hear anything that has to do with religious wars. This is why the idea of the separation of money and state is quite a new brilliant surprising idea that could end economic problems.

But the governments of any kind in the world, especially the United States government, will not like to relinquish the power they have over the people and give the power back to the people as it should be, because the purpose of electing people into power, was for them to serve the people better but now once the are give the power they forget about the massive they were supposed to serve and start controlling. that is why I don’t think it’s possible for the government to agree to the separation of money from the state or banks, and sadly the only people to implement the law of the separation of money and the state is still the government. And no government in the world would want their fiat currency to entirely disappear, some countries would have to be renamed, and everything would change worldwide when it happens, if it does but I highly doubt that though.

Denationalization of money is very important in our society and Crypto has already done that since 2008 when it was created, although it was laughed a year after in 2009. The separation of money from the states is what Satoshi Nakamoto has successfully done with Bitcoin. Bitcoin price can go up and down but the value remains the same, only the fiat equivalent value varies, it helps give people financial freedom and it is money that can't be controlled by any government. With Bitcoin and Crypto, many economic problems will cease to exist, because it is permissionless, borderless, timeless, and can not be controlled by anyone.

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What do the USD, EURO, YEN, and POUND have in common?

None of them are government money. It is laughable that people even spread this garbage.

All of those currencies are not run by the government but the commercial banks. Incredible how people dont even know how the major currencies are created.

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Some history lessons in money would go a long way in the crypto world.

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I would recommend we watch Hidden Secrete of Money by Mike Maloney, that might help in understanding money better.

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As a general rule I would recommend not getting your education from documentaries put out by people who own businesses that profit from making you believe certain things about the topic.

It might be a great documentary. I haven't seen it. But I want to know the person teaching me has no ulterior motive.

Money is a highly charged topic and its easy to sway a person's emotions with little spins and twists and small omissions.

I haven't met a documentary yet that hasn't done that at least a little to get you to their side.

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The Hidden Secret of money changed my perspective about money.

Infact I happened to watch even before getting to know about Bitcoin back in 2014 and when I got exposed to Bitcoin I could relate to what money should be.

It is not about selling products, am one that dislikes recruiting and selling stuff, in case you get time to watch episode 1 and 4 let me know what you think.

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Is this sales pitch the right episode one? If not, send me a link and I'll check it out.

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Well. I've watched about half of it and its basically exactly what I expected. It's filled with facts (some wrong) but mainly half truths and emotional language. "The biggest scam in the history of the mankind" is the title. or, the banks take your money and gamble in the stock market with it (which isn't true since dodd-frank but maybe he wrote this before that). Banks can only trade on clients behalf and any amount of time they hold a major position for a client it has to be hedged as close to 100% as they can make it. They can trade in the treasury market though but that's another story.

What he says is mostly correct but its what he leaves out that changes the meaning and manipulates people.

Here's what I mean. So it starts out saying that the whole scam begins when two politicians get up there and fight for your vote by out promising the other on how much free stuff they are going to give you. That's how he says the scam begins. On politics. One of the most emotionally charged subjects ever.

And the reason it says the scam starts here is because most money does come into existence with government spending. Most of it has nothing to do with free programs but people think it does so its a great place to piss people off and start your documentary.

The US owns the reserve currency of the world. The reason there is a reserve currency is to give everyone a measure by which to put their own currencies up against and oen to back their currencies to keep everyone honest.
The US is still the most robust, stable, and powerful economic and military strongholds in the world so we get to have the currency. And that comes with some great advantages but also some major tradeoffs.

To have a reserve currency in the world means other countries and companies around the world need access to a lot of that currency since commodities are priced in it and when loans go across country borders they are often made in it. Side note: You should look up the eurodollar system. It's interesting stuff and will show you how a lot of the world actually works.

When these companies and countries run out of the reserve currency (dollars), we get events like the 2020 covid crash when suddenly everyone has to sell everything they can find thats dollar denominated to get the dollars to keep from everything grinding a halt.

In that case the world economy shutting down then stopped payments which locked up dollar flows and caused those who didn't receive payments to panic and start to sell. The brunt of stock market (and bitcoin/crypto) crash happened because of that sell off to get dollars, not because the economy scared people into selling stocks.

So we (the US) as a country are always printing dollars. We actually don't print enough of them which is a big part of what's going on right now. The world is once again running out of dollars and clamoring for more which means everything is selling off and the US dollar is skyrocketing against other currencies.

Part of the deal with the US keeping reserve currency status is that we have to constantly be spending dollars into the world economy and this means running trade deficits. Politicians in the US would have you believe this is the US being taken advantage of and other countries taking american jobs. But politicians in other countries who want to create a siilar us against them boogie man say america gets to print dollars from nothing and buy our labor and resources with them. In fact, it was this very rhetoric out of Germany and France (mainly) that killed the US gold standard but again, that's a different story.

Both sides, much like this documentary, gives facts to emotionally manipulate but leaves out the other facts that change the meaning to something closer to the truth.

Let's move on. Here's money in a nutshell. Let's say I'm a barber. I want some shoes. I go to the cobbler and I say hey, I want some shoes and I'll give you a haircut for it. The cobbler says you just cut my hair so I don't need that but if I give you the shoes now, will you remember this and give me a haircut later? The barber agrees and writes an IOU good for one haircut. That cobbler now has a piece of paper that isn't backed by gold that would get him one hair cut. But let's now imagine that the cobbler decides to grow his hair out. Is that IOU worthless? No, it's still an iou for a haircut so that cobbler takes it to the butcher and says here's an IOU for a haircut. I'll give it to you for that steak. The butcher agrees.

This IOU for the haircut is money. Backed by nothing that can keep circulating until someone takes it to the barber and cashes it in. At which time the barber tears it up and there's less money in the system because the service has been rendered.

A federal reserve note is simply an agreed upon measure of value to track past and future IOU's and doesn't rely on the barber not dying before it gets cashed in. The exchange is that you can always use it to pay for things denominated in dollars including your taxes which back public services and military which keep the whole world running. The note fills in for the IOU's of past and present. And the way they exist is by the government spending money into the the world economy at a pace fast enough to keep up with world economic expansion or need for further expansion.

If the US government paid back its loans, it would be like the butcher taking the IOU back to the barber. The currency gets destroyed. The government cannot pay back its loans without destroying the entire money supply.

And the money isn't backed by nothing. It's backed by the entirety of the world economy.

OK, so the documentary talks about how banks just print money. According to Mike, $100 that requires a 10% reserve goes from bank to bank until it becomes $1000 and the whole thing is backed by that $100 only.

So I ask you, how long do you think it takes for the banking system to do that?

Let's say 1 year. I mean he made it sound pretty willy nilly and even said he was being conservative but he did't give a time frame. So let's go with a year because that sounds reasonable compared to that emotionally charged example.

Why do you think it is that inflation isn't 10xing the price on absolutely everything denominated in dollars each year if that's the case?

I mean, its backed by nothing according to him because we know that in 1971 the gold standard got killed off and no gold means nothing because only silver and gold is money as the silver and gold bugs tell us. So backed by nothing like he said right?

The reason it doesn't do that is because its BS. Fiat currency isn't backed by nothing. It's backed by economic expansion. New buildings, modernization, new tech, new jobs, more products, natural resource discoveries, etc. When a bank lends out money, they require backing of the loan. Collateral. Have you ever tried to get a collateral free loan? It's not easy and if you can get it its usually not for a lot and the interest rate is high.

Why? Because when a loan goes out it creates money but that money is backed by the reason for the loan. Let's say you want to build some condos. You go to the bank and get a loan. The bank creates new money to back your condos. Those condos are new economic expansion. If you successfully build them, jobs are created all around the world. Materials are created. Taxes are paid, roads might be built to them, utilities might need to be expanded. Whole companies might pop up.

And if you fail, the bank gets what was built. But they don't really want half built buildings so usually they monitor every step of the process and give the loans in stages when you can prove you properly utilized the funds and are somewhere around the budget you gave them. If its not, they want more collateral. And when the loan get paid back, the money that was created gets destroyed just like the barber IOU.

The whole world works like that. The barber didn't just give a haircut. He Bought shoes with it. That haircut paid for the leather, the farm workers who raised the cow, the dude who grew the grain, the guy with the rubber tree that made the soles. The steak. The people who transported the materials. The accountants and the logistics people. It wasn't backed by gold and it doesn't even exist anymore but it did all that. The dollar isn't backed by gold either. It's really just a ledger. It's meant to be spent and expanded as the world economy expands.

The way it works under a gold standard is person with economic opportunity walks into the bank and says, here's my qualifications and here's what I want to build, or study, or invent, or buy, and the bank says, sounds great except we can't because that guy is using the gold right now. Maybe when he's done if it comes back around we can lend it to you. The way an expanding currency works is the guy comes in with the solid opportunity to grow the economy or push mankind forward and the bank has the ability to say sure, you want $10 million. Everything seems sound. The economy is worth $30 trillion and can handle a $10 million loss if this doesn't work. Here's the funds.

Expanding currency is not a scam. It's the single biggest technological advancement in the history of mankind. It's what capitalism is based on. The ability to expand the economy is why people take out loans to open businesses and create new products and do research. If you look back in history, it was the expanding money supply that kicked off the scientific revolution and later the industrial revolution and gave adam smiths ideas meaning because now resources could be allocated in so many places at once and there actually was a free market rather than a king counting his gold and deciding where it went and where it didn't go.

I'm just saying there's a lot more to it than Mike Maloney from Goldsilver.com thinks you should know.

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That response probably deserved a post of its own, @imno!
The main issue many on the "gold backed currency" side of the argument have is that money can be, and in all likelihood is, being manipulated by the ruling political and technocratic elites. Too much temptation. And the "gold bugs" are looking to reduce that political influence on the supply of money. Their choice is gold and silver.
That temptation to interfere plays a big role in how money is created has been obvious globally over the last 2 years.
What effect this has depends on who you ask. And when you ask. The causes and effects of inflation during Roman times were different from the Weimar Republic days or globally in the 1970s. Or even now. However, government interference always always was important!
That commercial banks create money is, or rather should be, obvious to everyone. How the central banks and commercial banks intermingle is a matter of debate. And quite a few celebrity economists (some of whom write for the New York Times!) get this wrong.
Over the last 2 years a huge amount of the new fiat issued came via the government and central bank route. There is a reason the Fed is now a rather significant holder of US Government debt. They printed the money to "buy" it. And that debt is only backed by the ability of the US Government to collect taxes.
The money that was printed went into financial assets, causing assets to inflate. Because the first to get their hands on this printed money are always the institutions, investment banks and the like. There is a reason the equity markets reacted positively to the printing. The professionals knew that the first port of call for any available cash would be the equity market. It offers immediate gratification.
No doubt crypto benefitted from this too!
In all of history of humankind nothing other than precious metals have stood the test of time. All man-made and influenced currencies have become worthless. Quite a steep hurdle to overcome for anything "new". Is crypto it? I do not know.
Personally I am quite happy to let currencies fight it our in the "open market". Let the USD compete with HBD and see which holds value better.

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Let's say you have a house that you could sell for $100k fiat dollars. Today bitcoin is at $30k. Would you sell me your house for one bitcoin? Probably not.

What if tomorrow bitcoin ran up to $200k fiat dollars and your house was still $100k. Would you now sell me your house for that same one bitcoin? There's a great chance you would.

Everything is priced in fiat. If bitcoin changes in value in fiat, it means it's changed in value against absolutely everything.

Also, you should take a look at the history of money in the United States if you think this is a new idea. Banks used to print their own currencies that stood on their own separate from all governments, central banks, and other banks.

Part of the reason for the Federal Reserve was to bring it all under one umbrella with some congressional oversight because they were crashing and devastating local economies and people didn't want to worry about all the exchange rates (like we do again now with crypto). The federal reserve was left a quasi government organization so money and state weren't brought together. But even now, its not the federal reserve or the US government that create US dollars. Its still the commercial banks which have no direct link to the government but are overseen by the federal reserve. Instead of creating Chase bank notes though, they now all deal in creating federal reserve notes.

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I've always been curious as to how money was made. It's circulation and distribution. What gives it value and all, yet, google just spells out unnecessary jargons. But this is an insight...

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I hear you. It's not an easy thing. Most of it is buried in half truths, misconception, and jargon. I've spent years trying to figure it out and while I've figured out a lot, there's a lot I still get confused about.

Keep at it. If nothing else its pretty interesting to peek behind the curtain.

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Anything can be "money" as long as enough people want it. It is just medium of exchange.

Market will price everything, fiat, any crypto, any items, even so imperfect, at any point in time. How easy it is to find the counter party for the volume you need is another problem to be solved.

As long as we can easily, cheaply, and able to exchange the payment to the final form we wanted as store of value, it doesn't matter what is used as even "inconvenience" could be priced into the exchange.

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Bitcoin/cryptocurrency has the these elements discussed but we know very well governments are not even going to give a listening to separation of money and state let alone implement it because that will be taking power from them.

We should expect CBDCs and cryptocurrencies to coexist.

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I feel this is will remain a major debate that will still continue for decades to come. However change is constant and cannot be dodged. The time is still coming when the transition will eventually happen.

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Seeing that the government are not ready to carry out this task of separation it ends up not adding value rather than creating more difficulty to the people.
Well with the help of other currencies not controlled by this governing bodies I think a lot of things will be made easy.

Thank you for sharing

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If decentralised crypto will give us more freedom, the banks running the show will at some point try to shut it down. There is too much at stake.

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I feel that is why the banks are not in support of crypto.

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I think they are in support of crypto and digital money. But they want to pivot it towards a more totalitarian control system.

On a higher level, the controllers control us through the food supply more than the money supply. In the scheme of their deceptions and theft through fiat money is a low level one in my opinion.

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I think decentralization of money through crypto has shown that irrespective of who is controlling money whether the government or commercial banks it is giving back power to the people

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Yes, decentralization of crypto is giving power back to the people as it should be, despite who is controlling them.

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