RE: Data and thoughts on votes in LeoFinance

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Suggestion:

A specific 'tag' that when used correctly has the ability to disqualify posts from ever being displayed anywhere near 'trending' or 'hot' status. Platform politics, internal memos, debates (sometimes heated), things the outside doesn't understand. That sort of content does not mix well with the rest of the general entertainment/information.

Yes, I suggested this very same thing nearly one year ago.

Our discussions, disputes, politics, etc. This will never stop. They are necessary. Sometimes things get ugly.

I don't sign on to Youtube and see board room meetings trending. I'm sure they have meltdowns and all kinds of politics going on. Arguing about who to deplatform next. Yadda yadda yadda.

This content can still be available to the public here. It just needs to be sorted into a separate pile (PEOPLE STILL GET PAID) on the side, under a new tab or platform politics community... something.

Since I came back, I've already seen quite a few disputes draw a lot of attention. This takes away from the content creators trying to get eyes on their prize. Even in the past when I've felt the need to express my views highlighting a few things I thought were issues that needed addressing, I would have preferred to have a place I could go for that.

I know this is off topic but I'm not going to write a post about this. I'm aware of the issue that brought this post on. I respect you folks. I'm glad so many care. And I think we can do even better.



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hmm yeah. 'when used correctly', might be a tough one. We do have some people who would choose to stick their content on a different pile, and they are perhaps the ones discussion disputes (as the new creator has just arrived and is all about art not arguments).

But I think t depends on which window to the chain you are looking in from. Hive.blog/peakd Trending/Hot is probably always going to be all over the place, and I think it will be up to (advert presenting-inflation burning, nice interface creating, smart guys in charge, account muting-more centralized) communities, like leofinance.io to make their own way to their public.

stemgeeks.net is probably the strictest community for Trending/Hot content, you wont catch much about disputes - and posts are zero'd and accounts muted.

You reminded me of this one, although on re-read it's not so close, but did have:

Communities may well also choose to hide Bot boosted posts from their feeds in order to keep a solid set of Trending/Hot posts which match their vision and goals at the head of affairs

https://peakd.com/@abh12345/who-will-create-the-content-for-the-bid-bots-to-promote-in-the-future

Anyway, yes that tag would be welcome for use with the 'general' interfaces, and I would have used it on this post.

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Well. One thing I'm not saying is make the platform politics invisible. I'm sure it would be a vibrant section and people would enjoy browsing the chaos. If you're a responsible member with a reasonable concern, what's so hard about using the 'tag'? Nothing.

I'm always using PeakD so I see the whole world. It's fine if other communities have solutions but when there are problems, maybe it's muted there, but one can still announce whatever to the world.

Recently the one who starts with E wrote the post about JR, then that buddy came along to publish a manic episode for what seemed like days and days and days. Plenty of misinformation and emotions. Is that really worth center stage?

I remember one year, the other platform, it was briefly mentioned on Joe Rogan podcast. The day before, trending was a mess of paid votes and petty drama. If that's what they would have seen when bringing the site up on screen during the podcast viewed by millions, they would have sat and joked and ridiculed the place for twenty minutes. We dodged a bullet. The posts on trending were uninteresting paid vote style spam (you remember that stuff), so they didn't click or browse much; we still got a mention.

Maybe I'm just overthinking this. Nothing will come out of it.

It's a hot topic now. I see a few other posts related to these recent developments. People want to talk about it and should, but we're so much more than this and sometimes others latch on late, just because it's fashionable and might bring in a few eyes and cents.

Dude. Apologies. I talk too much.

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Is that really worth center stage?

It was only center stage on the general interfaces and I'm just not sure they'll be that important going forward.

These days, I can't see anyone going on TV to promote hive.blog content. Maybe they would be there to talk about the blockchain as fast and 'free', but I think it's more likely we'll see Khal (LEO boss), or a hologram of Marky (STEM boss), talking about their communities of xxx,xxx built on Hive.

Dude. Apologies. I talk too much.

No need, suggestions, rants, beers, always welcome :)

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Outside public image isn't my main concern. A proper forum is not only more productive, leading to better results, but it provides members with a space to bring up issues in a way that doesn't make it look like a hit piece or a smear campaign.

As for those communities and developments now and into the future. None of them can survive or even get off the ground without a central hub of activity directing traffic back and forth. Sometimes I think people believe 'decentralization' means 'teamwork' isn't allowed. That space in the middle is the most valuable. Art crowd arrives for art, spills over into crypto and finance. Vice versa. People go to the mall to buy shoes, then because it's there they have a bite to eat. The businesses are all independently operated but benefit from each other being in close proximity. That's how a department store works. That's how a city works. Same with a country. Same basic principles no matter which way you scale it.

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This content can still be available to the public here. It just needs to be sorted into a separate pile (PEOPLE STILL GET PAID) on the side, under a new tab or platform politics community... something.

200% agree on the 'about LEO' posts in some special corner. That said, the LEO community seems to like these internal LEO posts since they are in trending all the time, while none LEO posts are having difficulties getting some traction.

I disagree with posts about LEO in need of rewards. Let's make them without rewards. Then only those who want to talk about LEO, its culture, what is good or not, will talk about it genuinely, not for the rewards.

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I actually meant Hive in general. So a place on PeakD for example. That would include LEO and all other projects. Then LEO as a community wouldn't have to put up with a trending smear campaign due to the irresponsible use of influence, for instance. Members from all communities would have a place where members from all communities can chime in. If I have an issue with LEO or something happening on LEO or see a bad actor on LEO, why put LEO in a position where the community looks bad? Let's say I'm wrong and the community goes on the defensive, downvoting and ridicule is soon to follow, and even if the community was in the right, the drama still makes LEO look bad.

As for that echo chamber style content that tends to annoy people unless they're deep inside the echo chamber. Nothing I say will change that. It's up to a community to decide if they'd prefer to sit and talk to themselves or create something for the rest of the world.

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Hear Hear. Such corner at HIVE would be great. What I was saying about LEO, applies to HIVE in general and all the sub-communities and tribes. I also think we shall create a wall-of-shame. This can be a website where we provide at a central location, an aggregated view on what is happening in and around HIVE. Adding service to such central informative website, like teams like hivewatchers are executing through their Discord, and added to that some additional human based governance services, will increase the number of users taking a note of what is happening. The information will be much easier to find and follow, which in the end will drive the culture we like to have which should be much more about being a community with a set of good values which will drive the idea at outsiders to want to be part of HIVE and/or sub-communities and/or tribes, irrespective of the money thing.

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What I'm suggesting covers more than just a shit list. I don't want to see what I have in mind placed in a different location. What I'm talking about is as simple as a tag, and when used, that tag disqualifies content from reaching trending on Hive.blog, PeakD, and other platforms catering to the entirety of what's available on chain. Once disqualified from the main section, it can be found in a sub section for INTERNAL content. Easily accessible and open to the public, but not right under their noses, since sometimes things get ugly. Not all things get ugly. The platform politics are necessary but we don't see board room meetings on the trending page of Youtube for a reason. It's all about transparency and recognizing the fact it's counterproductive to rub some of this internal content in the faces of those simply taking interest in what we have to offer. Show them the good, but give us a place to debate openly and freely. The moment you take the showbiz elements away, problems become a lot easier to solve. The posts can still generate income. Sometimes when they get blasted with downvotes, the general public does not need to deal with the eyesore, unless they click the tab leading to the content behind the scenes.

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I understand what you are after :) The implementation is simple, just a UI design. That in itself is maybe an 'issue' again, since not all UIs may like to develop something like that. When all the major UIs can start implementing, the rest may follow.

Of topic: For some reason, I never liked Trending channel and I like to see a Random channel, maybe replacing one wit the other. Voiced that multiple times since the last 4 yrs, but none of the UI dev teams seems to like such an idea.

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LOL! If you want to see random, just scroll through the most recent published posts. That's about as random as it gets. You can select tags and do it that way as well. A little less random. I like to see what's Trending. But it would be nice if that was a little more organic.

And the amount of times I've repeated suggestions proves its difficult to enact change. That tag I mention though. It could even be added after the fact. "Let's take this outside." "Let's not fight in front of the kids." It just seems like the responsible thing to do. Not all posts are trending because they are 'popular'.

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Trending in general I like, but isn't trending at HIVE usually those users with large amounts of auto voters on their posts?
I have little experience with getting into HOT and TRENDING. What noticed a few times when a post of mine got a bit further up, is a whole bunch of additional votes from users I never see on my posts or comments section. I stopped looking at TRENDING more than three years ago. HOT as well. They can skip both of them since they not helping in spreading the rewards to the quality posts on-chain.

The tag is a good idea indeed. But as you also stated: Not easy to change the minds of devs. For instance, I like all the blogging UIs to integrate hivesearcher. But none of them did, except Ececny, the creators of hivesearcher. I believe it was the PeakD team mentioning last HIVEfest" a search function is on the list, but our users are not requesting it. Well, I believe many don't know that a search function already exists, and two, users need to be pushed the search function into their face and slowly they will start using it. Such a shame super posts gets totally lost after a few days already. But also on this front, super easy to integrate, but none dev team does it.

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It is kind of absurd so many minds are working on projects, but rarely ever make them play nice with each other. It's so awkward to have to leave a site just to enter in a search where the results take you right back to the site you just left. Just plug in the code and move on. Every advancement is connected in a way where everyone benefits indirectly, but so many want more to themselves. That's life though. You could tell your neighbor it would be wise to chop down that tree for ten years before it finally falls on his house. Then he wants your help to clean it up.

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Hahahaha you hit the nail! All this: "we want to do everything ourselves" problem, becomes so clear in the decentralised world of HIVE. No managers to listen to. Maybe some leaders, but they have difficulties being followed.

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