Update On Leo Power Needed Per "Rank"

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Setting Goals

I don't know about you but I find setting goals helps to keep myself motivated to achieve something and have something to focus on. Otherwise, I'd just drift along aimlessly and that's not really something I feel comfortable with unless I've actually set aside "downtime" like I have done for a couple of weeks this month to recharge.

With crypto, it's the same approach and on HIVE, there have been certain "ranks" you can get to depending on how much HIVE you have staked or "powered up". These are minnow, dolphin, orca and whale, of which "whale" is probably the one most of us are familiar with in the broader crypto world as these folks can make big movements with price due to having pockets deeper than the Mariana Trench!


Leo

In any case, us smaller fish or cats, can set ourselves targets that are more achievable with our current situation. As with all tokens and coins across the crypto industry, it is possible to use those @hivebuzz rankings and calculate how much you need to hold in order to achieve your goals.

The caveat is that the amounts required to achieve a rank change daily unless it's a fixed cap like Bitcoin's 21 million so you'll likely need to recalculate at a later date but as we're probably all interested in HIVE and LEO, here's the latest amounts required, using calculations I shared with you back in October:

Hivebuzz RankStaked Tokens Needed
Redfish0.931
Minnow/Kitty9.31
Dolphin/Cat93.1
Orca/Puma931
Whale/Lion9,310
Ikran93,100
Toruk931,000

With Ikran being the mountain banshee and Toruk the "winged king lion" both from Avatar. I guess these names of the Leo ranks will stay for the time being or have already been decided? I'm cool with that! This means I'm still a Puma although I'll be constantly looking over my shoulder now as it was only 2 months ago the target for Puma was 784!

The reason I'm bringing this up again is @chekohler commented recently saying it went up to 950 for Puma and 9,500 for Lion (factor it up by 10 to get to the next level) and I ended up mentioning to @onealfa.leo on his Toruk Was Here post that I thought it may have been 950,000 LP a couple of weeks ago. Sorry mate, didn't mean to scare you like that haha! Althought it isn't far off now...

My goal is to get to 1,500 LP by the end of January 2021. Hoping with the kick backs from LBI coming in the next couple of weeks and the curation rewards are slightly better now I'm at about 1,100 LP, I'll keep chipping away at that. I also try to buy LEO whenever I remember seeing as it all helps.


Hive

I had that Orca badge arrive a month or two ago and feel like I've reached my goals with owning Hive stake (I honestly feel whale is too far out of reach) but let's have a look at the HP needed as well as of today - 26th December 2020:

Hivebuzz RankStaked Tokens Needed
Redfish52.346
Minnow523.463
Dolphin5,234.63
Orca52,346.3
Whale523,463

HP is a little easier to work out as it literally tells you on Hive Block Explorer - go to that link and scroll down to "Hive per MVests" and it will say how much you need to be a minnow. Divide by 10 to get the redfish amount, multiply by 10 to dolphin, 100 for Orca, 1,000 for Whale and that's it!


Bitcoin

Yeah alright then, let's look at the granddaddy whilst we're here. This will not change by the way as the supply is capped at 21 million (although current supply is still only 18.6 million BTC at the moment, I've put the amount required at current circulation in brackets below):

Hivebuzz RankStaked Tokens Needed
Redfish2.902 (2.571)
Minnow29.02 (25.71)
Dolphin290.2 (257.1)
Orca2,902 (2,571)
Whale29,020 (25,710)

So next time you see institutions buying up BTC in droves, you can work out if they're going to be a whale (chances are, they will be to be fair). I'd personally love to get to BTC redfish myself!

Do you set yourselves goals or are you happy to just build stake whenever? Where do you sit in these ranks and are you looking to level up in 2021? Let me know in the comments below!

Stake care!

Nicky

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I was on my way to dolphin hood on Hive but decided to become a puma on LEO, so dolphin will have to wait a while. Probably an amoeba or smaller with BTC. :)

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Yeah man! Nice one on getting to Puma! I'm hoping to get to Lion rank by the end of 2021 but the amount needed is going up pretty quickly every month at the moment! Dolphin is a cool level on Hive, I liked it when I got there!

LOL, amoeba! Maybe I should add a few more levels going down below the redfish level on the BTC chart! Like those evolutionary diagrams I've seen in biology text books or something haha!

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2.9 BTC challenge accepted I’ll do my chest to try and reach it fuck the rest lol! 9300 for LEO Fuck me it just keeps moving faster than I can get there I think it’s the perpetual carrot

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Haha, yeah, that 2.9 is now the goal post for BTC but bloody hell, if these prices keep going up, my DCA is never going to get there!

LOL, yeah I've got to look over my shoulder as I might get gobbled up by the angry horde of cats!

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ahh! 2.9 BTC seems really high right now! but what the hey... I'll leave it in writing: My goal is to accumulate 2.9 BTC and become a Bitcoin redfish. I've done it. no going back now.

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Haha that's it! Set in stone! Or at least in the blockchain! That's my goal too, let's go Team BTC Redfish!

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For years I could not get to dolphin in steem and now it’s hive I need to finish that before going to Leo and then btc. One step at a time.

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Yeah man, it's tough to get up those levels with HIVE now, especially if it's just post payouts alone you're getting there with. How far are you from HIVE dolphin? There's nothing to say you can't earn LEO and HIVE at the same time by the way. If you post on LEO and get upvotes whether comments or posting then you'll also earn some HIVE (but not as much probably)!

You might have a good strategy there to focus on HIVE and LEO first before BTC now seeing as we're flying at all time highs at the moment! I'd still try to build a little bit of a BTC pot if possible but to get to redfish now is a tall order!

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LEO and Hive I understand. But, I surrender with BTC. I will be a happy soul If i have one BTC. I will try to stake as much LEO as possible and I am relying on dCity to help me build my Hive portfolio. Let's see.

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Haha, yeah I know what you mean! Owning one BTC is a great goal to have, if you can get there then you'll be in a great position! I like your strategy of building a HIVE portfolio, there's a lot of things happening on this chain alone with various games and projects and I'm also looking to stake as much LEO as possible with some assistance from delegating HP to leo.voter, LBI, posting, commenting, curating etc... there's a few ways of building which is great. I love having those options as you can choose which one works best!

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Thanks for the info. I found out I was a dolphin on HIVE. I didn't even know there were rankings on Leo. I'm a Puma on LEO? Who would have figured.

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Ah awesome! Congratulations on getting to Dolphin on HIVE! I quite enjoyed that level, was pretty good fun! Yeah it's pretty cool to work out with a couple of calculations as you already have the amounts needed from the hivebuzz badges - you can apply this to any token and coin in the whole crypto space!

Well done on being a puma too, another cool level, and I'm not just saying that because I'm also one haha!

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Damn. Lion status changes so fast.. I'll never get there

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I know how you feel man! I am looking over my shoulder at the "cat" level as that's catching me up haha! Guess I'm just going to have to buy some more LEO and stake it to keep on top of it!

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It was 8300ish last time I saw a post like this.. onealfa's I think..

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Eesh, yeah, that would probably be about a 3-4 weeks ago? Changes pretty rapidly but I think the amount of Leo is capped to 1 billion or something like that according to Hive-Engine?

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I want to disagree with your calculated numbers for LEO ranks.
I see you have used the TOTAL Leo quantity, which also includes BURNED tokens, and maybe even some other types (stolen?)
To me it seems more logical to use CIRCULATING supply qty, which for today is 6.345 mln
So the numbers for today looks like this:

If someone disagree with me, I would be glad to hear your arguments 😃

Happy Xmas !

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Yes I've used the total amount so 6.745 Million from the screenshot below taken from today (26th December 2020) on Hive-Engine:

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When I put in the Circulating supply (6.346 million), I get exactly the same as your figures so at least we are using the same method to get there by the looks of it!

I use the "total supply" as I think that is all the printed tokens regardless of being burned, lost, stolen etc so you have the whole figure (a bit like with BTC as there'll only be a certain amount printed and some coins will forever be lost)?

But hey, if it lowers the level to get to Lion and everyone agrees with it then I'll happily alter my calcs to just consider the circulating supply! I'll still be buying LEO daily and topping up my stake for the long haul in any case!

It will be good to know what the differences are between "circulating supply" and "total supply" though for clarity for my update next month - still trying to understand things myself :)

Merry Christmas to you too man, hope you're OK!

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My Ranks:
LEO - Whale/Lion
HIVE - Orca
Bitcoin - Redfish

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You are smashing it on all fronts! Nice one mate!

Lion is my next target for LEO and would dearly love to get to BTC redfish! Well done on getting there!

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Interesting overview!

I do like to set goals and review how I'm doing — usually quarterly — as I go along.

This is an "alt" account, so my levels are a bit skewed, in that I am barely a redfish in terms of Hive, but hope to make it to Puma on LeoFinance, in the course of 2021... since this is where I direct most of my time and effort. Well see how that goes as the community continues to expand.

=^..^=

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Ah yeah that's a good approach to review quarterly, probably long enough to get an idea of where you're going from/to and see how you are progressing. I should probably taper back to that length of time, every day is probably a little excessive LOL!

That's a good goal to have with Leo and nice one on being able to use multiple accounts. I struggle just running one account here and when we ran our monthly contest on @yourtop3, it was quite a challenge to do both! I do feel 2021 will be a very positive year for Leo with all the groundwork/foundations being set. Khal and the team look like they have a great vision and the motivations for doing it align nicely with me too. Seems to resonate with everyone who's using LeoFinance by the looks of it as well!

Here's to reaching our goals in 2021 and a (belated) merry Xmas to you!

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This is the best math collection of the year ;)

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Haha! Thanks man! I've been working hard on the numbers and spreadsheets this year! Gives us something to aim for in 2021 hey!

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Thanks for continuing to make Hive awesome.

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931, oh I have a target!! It's a moving, but a target nonetheless.

Cool update, thanks!

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Haha! At least these are the moving targets that we want to aim for! If they move forward then that's not a problem as it means you'll have more stake anyway, which is a good thing in many ways!

Thanks for swinging by and merry (belated) christmas to you!

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Hmmm....I am beginning to formulate goals. I haven't because it seemed almost impossible. That said, I've watched my account grow as I've worked things over the last 2 months and just since 1 December, it's up more than 200HP. If I can sustain 200HP per month, I should be a dolphin by September 2021, if not sooner. Something to work towards....

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That's a great goal to have and with a couple of hiveblopomos next year too, I'm sure you'll grow a lot quicker than you think, along with curation rewards and what not!

200 HP per month is pretty good growth though, keep it going!

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Thank you! It's also helped by having delegated to a Curangel that sees a daily payout. Looking at doing a bit more of that. I admit that seeing growth makes me want to pay more attention. And thanks for your help and encouragement.

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Yes that's a good plan for your HP to work for you. Curangel is a good one and it all helps to grow. When you get a little more stake, you start to think of ways to make it grow a bit. Can be an interesting juggling act, I decided to delegate all mine away to projects I trust whilst giving a nice return, means I can focus on posting content and commenting then stress free :D

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It is such a big jump Between Orca and Whale I really think we need some more ranks.

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Yeah I've put forward a few joke ranks all the way up but the principle is still the same. Just need to get a bit more knowledge on the various animal kingdoms out there to come up with some proper names :D In the mean time, I just aim for every 1k increase now, helps to keep motivated at least

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This is a great post and it also gives me a little bit of perspective. When I first started in 2018 on Steem I was ok with the platform but I couldn't see it going anywhere and didn't particularly invest in it.

I came back when lockdown started and noticed Hive had commenced and a whole new community has emerged which is awesome. I think I'm like 234 hive away from being a Dolphin, which I currently have pending power up day when I will stake.

I would have had a bit more but I decided to become a Leo redfish.

Most of the Hive I have at current has been investment. It's significantly hard to swim amongst all the whales and get close to what they achieve in an upvote. I want to invest in Leo but the 80% staked also scares me. Where it is great for our community it is also a massive risk should the price of Leo continue to rise and people begin unstaking and selling off for Hive and then selling off for fiat. Potential to crash both markets.

I was around for the initial Leo airdrop but didn't realise it was happening so missed out on my 1:1 pal. Which sucks but I'm here now so that's a good thing.

I want to make it to Whale, I don't think I will make it by producing content alone so will need to invest.

The only negative I have about both platforms is that people always tend to gravitate towards the witnesses or community leaders. This often drowns out redfish and I'd guess they will probably leave.

I don't know how to address that issue but either way, on my way to a Hive whale and a Leo Lion. Purely because that's the mascot! 🤪

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Wow, what a pretty epic comment, thanks for dropping by!

I also joined in 2018 (around March) and didn't buy any because I didn't know how to and it was pretty high for me, then the price steadily declined throughout 2019 and I just bought about 25k over a period of months. Then the price went up with Justin Sun news, then Hive came then I moved over as all my friends did, sold my STEEM off and focused on HIVE of which Leo is a part!

Nice one on being so close to Dolphin! I'm holding off powering up the HIVE I have until the 1st as well, probably won't be able to power up as much this month, usually I try to get to 1,000 and the big bee... although I can be tempted lol

Yeah I know what you mean man, I've just kinda done my own thing, ventured in and out of different communities, stayed away from Discord and just do what I enjoy myself. Personally, I like crypto, travel and music so I try to focus on those communities but crypto is a big interest at the moment! Be patient, you will get noticed, turning up and being consistent is all there is to this game :) Regarding the price, I think a little differently, if the prices do go down, I see it as a good chance to buy in and there's many ways to accumulate stake (curating, posting, leasing, gaming, hive-engine tokens etc) so you don't necessarily have to buy if you don't want to.

For me, I think HIVE has pretty much been crashed to its (near) bottom and LEO had also been crashed due to the hack that happened a couple of months ago, it just bounced up a bit probably due to lack of available supply but there's a few thousand tokens being printed each day, which will continue to provide liquidity.

Whale is a great target to aim for! It will take time but I think we have plenty of it, plus early adoption, we may be in a good position to get a few more tokens than if the userbase just doubles (imagine if there were 1,000 users on Leo alone...). For what it's worth, I'm not affiliated with any witness or whale, I just post, interact, network and take everything as it comes with gratitude so you can make a success being a "free agent"!

There are a lot of good people wanting others to grow here, personally, @traciyork & @fionasfavourites are my go to if any newcomers need some help getting started as they tag me and I do what I can. It's hard to create content, comment on others on top of everything else (3D life etc) so many hands make light work and all that!

Probably went on for way too long haha! You set me off on a thought train there!

Hope you get to your goals mate!

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Haha yeah, I try to stay away boring people. I'm not often certain people actually read the comments but it's nice to drop one in.

I have seen @traciyork thats how I learned of the Hive PUD but I have no idea how it works also with time zones etc. I try, we'll see how it goes.

I recently got more engaged with discords the issue I find is they often just get flooded with post dumps. I will go through and upvite people but other than the main gang other users don't tend to upvote.

I've delegated to @featheredfriends its a great community where I can share my passion for birds. As I grow I am planning on delegating out to other communities. I've had the most growth from them so I want to help them out too.

If this ever goes anywhere (I'm quite skeptical as I think something newer and better will come out) then we will cross that bridge when it happens.

I think as soon as a platform interface like FB or Insta arrives it will take over. I've been following ecency and it looks like a great model. Makes it a bit mainstream.

This sort of layout is hard if you're not into blogging or use a smartphone as I do.

Anyway mate, good night and perhaps one day I will match you in Hive and Leo and what ever else emerges and we can light up the platform helping people grow. Or the tax man gets me.....

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No wonder my ears are burning... 😂

Thanks for the shout out, Nicky and glad to "meet" you, Melbourne's West (can I call you, MW for short?)! So glad to hear you're going to give Power Up Day a go - I put up the monthly announcement post a couple of days ago, but feel free to shout out if you have questions. There will be a "Welcome to PUD" posted late on the 31st my time, followed by Unofficial then Official winners lists posts as well. 😊

Timing wise, if you do your post (with the #HivePUD as one of your first five) and power up during the hours of the first your local time, you should be good.

To also qualify for a Hive Buzz badge, just make sure your power up is also during the hours of the first UTC time. If you check the Hive Buzz website, under the "Challenges" tab, they have a countdown timer running the week before PUD, which switches to the hours left in PUD on the first. Here's the link to your HiveBuzz page, so you can take a peek if you'd like - http://hivebuzz.me/@melbourneswest

And with that, I've exhausted my brain power for the moment - might be back again after I've refilled my coffee cup (aka brain power fuel). 🤣

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Not a problem :) I originally created this handle in 2018 for my wife and me to blog about the Western suburbs of Melbourne and showcase our awesomeness. But it has morphed into something more than that and a great way to learn about other countries, cultures and people.

I'm waiting for PUD day to become a dolphin so I am anxiously waiting for it, long time coming.

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Yeah some just don't bother replying to comments and I'm like... why did you bother posting if you're not going to reply to anyone haha!

I see Traci has replied to you about the workings of HivePUD already so will let you liaise with her on that - the posts she uses to introduce with are pretty informative in any case!

Discord... yeah, I barely check any more, would rather comment on stuff and there's way too much drama that goes on there, I stay away from that!

Oh nice! I've not come across Feathered Friends, not my area of expertise but glad you've found it and good call on delegating to other communities. It's a good way to both support them and earn tokens to go with it so help others and help yourself - abundance mindset, love it here!

You might be right about something newer coming, maybe if that Libra thing ever kicks off it might blow everything else out the water but we'll see how it goes - they've had many issues from what I gather!

Another mobile app is dapplr and I think peakd are coming up with their own mobile app soon too but I try to limit my smart phone use. I'm in front a PC most of the time anyway but I'm "old school" like that haha!

Sleep well mate - see you're from Melbourne, I stayed at a friend's in Prescot area last year when I traveled around, lovely city! Been watching a few documentaries about Australia the last couple of days as well, makes me want to travel again!

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Thanks to @nickyhavey for calling me over - and for the follow before I got here!

You make some important points:

It's significantly hard to swim amongst all the whales

True, but there's some comfort in numbers and bumbling around together until one can navigate the currents. It took me a while. I guess, because I can't invest, and my departure point is to do what I can, and enjoy doing it, I'm not so concerned with the whales. I'm somewhat of a salmon, anyway...

people always tend to gravitate towards the witnesses or community leaders. This often drowns out redfish and I'd guess they will probably leave

This is exactly why my little contribution to #hivepud focuses on small accounts that are active. Not everyone gets the same benefit from incubator initiatives - I understand that it's different strokes for different folks - so it's one way of picking up some of the outliers. I hope, anyway.

I want to make it to Whale, I don't think I will make it by producing content alone

This may be so, but for someone like me unable to invest fiat, I'm giving it a helluva go. It's a chicken and egg situation this social blockchain. I've opined before, that there is not enough real attention paid to quality content creators but hey, that's the way of the world. Similarly, one man's meat is another's poison.

Look forward to seeing you around the blockchain!

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Thank you, I'll be following along. My blog is full of different content. I often post about awesome places near me in Melbourne's West (hence the name) by I also delve into politics and advocacy

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Thanks for the perspective I guess I'm doing better on my leo stake than I thought. 2020's goal was 1K leo which is till very obtainable for me. My 20K Hive is a bit more of a stretch.

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Ah that's great you're doing better than you thought with LEO - 20k is a good target to reach, I think that makes your vote value worth 1 HIVE at 100% if I remember rightly... Your stake does increase faster the more of it you have so you'll probably notice it from one week to the next with the compound effects.

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Compounding is the best. I can only imagine when hive gets back to dollar. My goal was to try to get a dollar note and that has been getting more difficult as hive get falling in price.

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Yeah man! Fingers crossed we'll see those dizzying heights again! A few things need to be sorted out first though I think!

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Your bitcoin chart makes me feel bad about my BTC holdings lol.

Why would hive ranks have anything to do with bitcoin though? Also, it's guesstimated that 20% of BTC are lost so circulating supply would be ~15 million.

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Haha, you're not the only one feeling bad about their BTC holdings! I'd love to make it to that 2.9 "redfish" level!

Ah I just thought I'd apply the same calculations to work out Leo/Hive power rankings to Bitcoin for a bit of fun, it's probably not fully correct as I just went with the total supply (i.e. what's currently been minted) which doesn't include all those that are lost. If I use your amount of 15 million, the table looks much different:

RankBTC held
Redfish2.072
Minnow20.72
Dolphin207.16
Orca2,071.64
Whale20,716.37

I'm sure if we wanted, we could just make up our own levels and ranks with BTC seeing as there doesn't seem to be anything yet on that!

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Wow, I am impressed with your capacity to get such good upvotes, and earn so well. As you say consistency and curating or replying to posts seems to be the way, if you don't actually buy tokens.

As a new dolphin in Hive, I started late on Leo, but when I saw how much more Leo is worth, I decided to put more focus on finance posts. However, I still need to attract more upvotes.

My goal is simply to write a post a day, or two now that I have an alt-account which also needs to get to dolphin on Hive. Then Leo status will come later, since I have no fiat to invest in my lifestyle after covid.

All accumulated tokens get powered up though, so stacking is going on.

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Thanks Julian, I'm grateful for all support, this post seemed to do better than most and resonated with everyone which is awesome! But yeah, there's no real magic formula, you just need to turn up regularly really, network, comment and keep going really! Comments are rewarded better on LEO, there's none of that minimum amount needed on a Hive comment upvote and the curation is a lot easier to understand - vote and get half your vote value back whenever the vote was made (before the 7 days window).

I started on Leo in October this year man, never too late to get involved, there's a lot of token distribution going on and saw you made curator's pick recently too so that's great! Your plan sound pretty good too - I'm sure you'll get there and keep staking/compounding if you can, good way to grow!

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