Zero Engagement? - Manual Curation Solves That.
Manual Curation Is Awesome.
I have always enjoyed manual curation and I have personally always felt that it's the ideal way to curate as it often result in more engagement, meaning more comments and discussions about the actual content. It is also within the comment section we get new ideas for future content, and we can see a huge upwards trend in rewarding comments on LEO recently as well. Everyone will benefit from more engagement.
Manual curation is superb to motivate and encourage both authors and content consumers and the reward curve change on #LEOFinance happens to do something more than that..
- Have you ever felt that your content is ignored and neglected?
- Have you felt overlooked and have you felt that your work yields slim to no rewards?
- Have you been jealous of other authors who seem to attract a huge audience?
It's totally okay to admit it. Most people have felt that same frustration at some point. Some people never change their mindset and they continue to experience this.. Some people use the success of others as inspiration and motivation to produce more, better or different. They use the frustration as fuel to grind and push themselves forward.
Personally, I've experienced literally everything during my 4+ years on the blockchain.. But eventually, I stopped caring about the results of others and I stopped caring about the rewards. To some extent.
I am honest, so I will tell you that I obviously prefer to be heavily rewarded instead of being overlooked and ignored with zero rewards.. But that goes for everyone here. In the past though, I got so affected by these things from time to time so I actually stopped posting or stopped being myself..
- What was the point?
Nowadays, due to manual curation, things are changing. You don't need to curate within a 5 minute window to maximize your curation rewards. You can sit back and enjoy the show while curating at your own pace. You can curate content you like and content you want to curate, and that is the reason for me to believe that it will have a huge impact on the overall engagement as well.
I can totally see how auto-votes could be a great thing, if used properly, but if you can use something to benefit more or easier than others, people will do that. That's how it is.
In my opinion, auto-votes took away discussions, interactions and engagement. Say what you want about auto-votes, but auto-votes reduced the quality, charm and passion for content and it paved the way for spam- and low quality posts. I can't say that it destroyed everything, and I do benefit from auto-votes myself as well, but I truly believe that we would've been better off without auto-votes. I actually think that auto-votes reduced the value of almost everything.
I have seen many authors over time go from truly amazing content to content I could've done in my sleep, with my arms tied behind my back all due to auto-votes.. And that is somewhat heartbreaking to see for someone who has been putting in some real effort over the years. I value content, my own and others.
That being said though, with manual curation comes more engagement and one of the best parts about manual curation, according to me, is the fact that people can vote several days after you have published your article. Most people will probably continue to vote fast and on recent content, because that's how things have been for a long period of time.. With time though, I am sure we will see users curate old content as well, or should I say older content (a few days old).
So, even though the days of feeling overlooked, ignored or the days of zero engagement might not be entirely over, I am sure things will be different in the near future. Manual curation is definitely a step in the right direction. This will ultimately also reduce the time "spent in vain" for content creators meanwhile it will encourage and motivate users to continue to produce content as well.
That's how I want it to be. That is how I think it's supposed to be on social platforms.
In case you missed it, make sure to check out The Initiative Of 10
by @taskmaster4450le. A good starting point for your upcoming comments.
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It's good to see LEO leading on this!
For me, it has been clear for a while that the curation approach on Hive generates false incentives that don't drive useful behaviour for the blockchain. Hopefully Hive can follow LEO across to the flat curation approach.
Has anyone seen any issues arising so far with the new curation rules on LEO? It would be interesting to understand whether there are any weak points, before pushing for a change with Hive.
I would assume that the new curation approach is also faster / lighter in terms of processing and so better for overall scaling.
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I am not sure..
One thing I can think of personally, is vote selling/buying that might come back again. I mean, someone like onealfa.leo could easily sell upvotes for a ton of LEO if he wanted too.. What I hope for, if this would start coming back, is that we have enough resources to downvote and reduce such votes. So we could destroy the market for it.
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That is true and something that I didnt think about. The fact that the return for larger accounts in terms of half their VP, it could become an issue.
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I think it was the free downvotes that reduced vote buying / selling on Hive. Increasing the risk broke the market for it.
The one thing is that the rich can get richer.
LArge accounts are now guaranteed to get 50% of the value of their voting power. Obviously, this favors the larger accounts. Are they receiving less than when they autovoted? Perhaps.
But for those who manually curated before, it was an increase in curation rewards.
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Manual receives less than autovoter's operator? How it can be ( on LEO)?
On hive - yes. On hive I still run autovoter, trying to optimize it, and win more against other bots. Because that is the rules of the game (on Hive.)
LEO is now a totally different world.
One BIG downside of manual voting - it requires enormous amount of time. Sometimes I start to doubt - how long I will be able to keep this race? 😃
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It does require a great deal of time so there is that.
When we had the other curve, autovoters did rather well. It is possible that they were making more than they are doing now manually curating with the new curve since they were in at the 5 minute mark got a piece of every upvote that followed.
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With the removal of the curation time-constraints I would hope manual curation should get easier.
I would expect to see more posts aggregating & recommending the previous day or week's best posts for upvoting, ideally by area of interest.
Perhaps even some work on front-ends, allowing users to see the current recommendations from people who set themselves up as quality-post-hunters.
The guarantee is the same for everyone though, but like you said, it obviously favors the larger accounts. But I still, at this point, see more benefits than consequences with manual curation.
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Without a doubt the change is for the better. It also means that one can upvote 2 minutes after the post was made or 6 days later, it doesn't matter.
True it is even for everyone but the idea behind the other curve was to give smaller accounts a chance to profit more by finding content that bigger accounts upvoted afterwards.
Of course, with autovoters, that changed a lot.
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I think it's true that large accounts will be better off with a flat 50% compared to what they were earning before in curation. Maybe an increase from 40% or 45% to 50%.
I'm OK with that though. As you point out, with Hive those extra rewards currently go to accounts that play the auto-voting game best (rather than manual curating accounts) which is a waste since it generates no value for the chain.
With flat curation it is possible to maintain the original idea of rewards for small content-hunting accounts. They could be paid through author rewards or from a cut of the curation rewards by the large community accounts they work for.
This would probably be more efficient / cheaper than the 5-10% cost I estimated above.
Without a doubt, regardless of the downside, the upside it much greater. It is something that Hive should look into. Hopefully, the next month or two will see Leofinance being the test case for this.
Another thing that Hive needs to do is get rid of the dusting. It is time for Hive to embrace the most micro of transactions. Let people get rewarded no matter how small. This, too, could influence commenting and rewarding comments.
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Ohhh man, congratulations ! You just said so many things what I think here exactly, at my end.
And not a single statement I could find to criticize, even one small bit.
My near term plan is to concentrate much more on comment curation. Ideally, I would like to put more than half of my daily voting power on Comments.
I can bring out almost 1000 LEO's daily, with my 10 full power upvotes.
In the next few days I have a plan to publish a separate post on these my intentions.
And if TOP-20 LEO stakeholders would turn the same way, by my footprints - imagine what impact all this could make on the whole LEO ecosystem. 😃
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Your plan sounds really solid to increase the overall engagement. I can obviously understand that it must take tremendous time curating comments, but I am positive it will give us great results in the long haul.
It would be really cool to see the impact from the 20 largest holders doing the same thing, but my best guess is that only the well-rewarded authors are the ones who'll earn from articles in that scenario, while the rest of the people will be rewarded for their comments.. So I think it's for the best to curate both articles and comments, but I really like- and appreciate your approach. It will have a huge impact on the overall engagement. I am sure of that.
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Sure both, authors too. Possibly at 50:50 ratio, of total votes placed, power wise. Who knows where is that sweet spot.
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I guess it comes down to learning by doing. I'm sure you'll come up with a great strategy to balance the two. :)
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Comments hold a lot more appeal, in my opinion, for the masses.
This is something that few hone in on....the masses arent going to be putting together 1,000 word articles or videos. They will come in, do some reading, and perhaps leaves a couple comments.
That is what we need to focus upon.
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Yeah, the masses won't start producing content immediately. So with zero engagement, the masses won't be interested.
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Comments make "content creation" a lot easier. It is something that many are accustomed to doing on other platforms. Some videos on YouTube have hundreds of comments; granted they are on videos with millions of views.
Thus we know most do not engage but, rather, read or watch.
I am sure that FB has a much better percentage.
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We will probably never reach those type of numbers, but if we continue what we've started, and others follow in the same footsteps, I am sure it will yield great results for everyone.
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On a side note: Thank you very much for the reblog. That's the second time in 10 days. :)
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I had to lower my upvote on comments to 5% since 10% was zapping my power. I am giving a lot more upvotes on comments (actually overall) than before.
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I've set COMMENT default TO 1% . A super useful feature - saves lots of time, when I don't have to "adjust" the power slider every time
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Yes it is super useful. I have my vote set on both comments and articles. Makes it worlds easier. The times I change it to something else is minor as compared to having to set it each time.
Another handy feature on Leofinance.
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I can totally understand that 10% would drain your VP quickly. I think it's awesome what you and onealfa does to improve engagement. It goes much in line with my own thinking and my own plans as well. I'll come up with something decent shortly so I can reward more comments a bit too.
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Well the larger accounts have to take the bull by the horns as they say. If they do not, who will?
The more I mull this over, the better I like it. When I think of the totality of activity on social media, this is targeting more than blogging. It simply turns into a numbers game.
This is key...getting others to put their brains to work and innovation. More ideas will flow forth that others can partake in.
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Manual curation can increase engagement if people are willing to concentrate upon it. It is very easy to go through the recent section and click on 10 posts and be done with it.
However, I agree the chances of engagement go up if people are actually reading the post. This is especially true if we become a front end where engagement is not only encouraged, but stressed. If that is the norm, others will feel obligated to try and keep up.
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I agree with that. Be the change you want to see, or how was it? :)
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I have always felt like you need to at least occasionally comment on a post to provide better satisfaction to the author knowing their post is being read, even if you are manually curating a bunch of stuff and can't comment on them all, at least some is an added bonus for the authors.
Normally I only did gaming content, but have found with how solid of a project LEO is and now I am more into the finance side due to dCity and looking at my investments, I am going to leofinance to to small bits of curation with my small vote so I can comment and support finance posts as well.
Exactly, and that seems to have slipped out of our hands at some point over at Hive, so the time is now to make a change with LEO. :)
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I love engagement in a comment and curation content I like rather than following the curation trail its more fun that way
I do all manually as I don't know how it works the automatically curation. But anyway very low results ...
My enthusiasm continue yet!!
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Ideally, Witnesses will strongly consider implementing this for Hive.
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