Spelling Errors And To Reward People For Mistakes
Low Quality Or Just Poor Grammar
We know that spam and low quality doesn't go well on Hive. Most curators would ignore low quality posts and they are likely to downvote any form of spam they see. We have various initiatives and users out there working hard to prevent spammers from stealing rewards from the reward pools, they downvote to prevent theft or to reduce the abuse they see. Most of us have done that, or at least will do that at some point on Hive because we want to protect it from bad things.
I read @onealfa's post: "0.01% vs 100%", and it definitely sparked some cool discussion. This article is inspired by the comments in that post, and the actual post itself as well.
While onealfa talks about how he will tell people that:
"Your post is a complete garbage, with a ZERO value (in my eyes), a value way less than 1 cent? I wish I had never seen it. But I did. And I can not "unsee" it..."
I started to think about how much we reward people for their mistakes.
Look, I am not fluent in English and I know that I am far from being the best writer. I probably have spelling errors and grammar mistakes in each and every article I publish, but I spend time, put in effort and I try to make my content as readable- easy to understand and correct as possible.
This can be said about all the content creators I talk with, and all the users I support as well. All of them are putting in time and effort. I know that we are filled with people from all over the world and some people have a harder time to learn, speak and write English than others.
- There can be various reasons for that, but it is still a fact.
I have nothing against grammar mistakes, but I am against people who doesn't even seem to try. I have worked with people from Venezuela, Pakistan and India. Most of them made mistakes, but I could enjoy the things they said because I could understand what they tried to tell me.
I don't care if someone spells "swimming" with 3 m's. That's just a typo and nothing that bothers me at all. I have seen some people doing the weirdest and craziest things though..
This is one example:
Today I will tell you what trades I have made in Bianace today and tomorrow. And what is the price of btc and what is the information about it?
I have no problems with "Bianace", because it's basically a typo. The rest of the sentence is formulated into a question, which feels awkward to me but I still don't care much about it. Today and "tomorrow" is feeling weird as well. It could be that the author means "yesterday" or what he will do tomorrow, so it becomes somewhat of a guessing game at this point.
I know how difficult it can be sometimes though and I don't mind minor spelling errors. I probably make those mistakes often as well and I'm not the grammar-police.
However, when an article is basically filled with these mistakes and the article is 1500+ words it starts to get annoying. I don't want to spend as much time trying to understand what the article is about as I spend to actually read the article. That escalate quickly and it would suddenly take me twice as long to consume content if I had to figure out what the author was trying to say.
I don't know if it's google translate that is being used or if it's the language barrier, but the content doesn't come out as unique, original and spellchecked when I see a bunch of words mixed together in an awkward attempt to make readable content. It looks like low quality content in my book, and I judge the content and author due to those mistakes. It doesn't feel like the author has put in any effort at all and if I were to reward such content, it feels like I could just as easily reward plagiarism as well.
- It feels like more or less the same amount of effort has been put in..
Do You Reward Mistakes Like That?
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I agree with you very much, there are people who don't try hard or don't care enough about the consistency of their article when translating it into English, and it's just annoying to have to try to guess what they mean. I am from Venezuela, so my native language is Spanish, even so I can read in English, I just don't speak it, so I take the trouble to read what I put in the translator to know if it keeps the sense of what I want to express, and doing that has saved me many times from making mistakes, because although DeepL is very good, it is not infallible.
Your comment is awesome. It shows that you try and you put in effort. You work hard. That is something I like and something I would reward any day of the week.
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Thank you for your comment. I really try to give my best with every post I do, even if that means taking several days to publish, as they say, quality before quantity.
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I try not to but I have English as my native language so I don't have as much trouble figuring out what they are trying to say. But if it was really bad and I didn't understand then I would not
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I am totally fine with some typos here and there, but when a post is filled with a bunch of text that feels like gibberish and when I can't understand what it's about.. Then I just.. Nah, I don't know.. I don't like it. lol
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How many of them do you see like that? I generally check my feed most of the time so I am not checking out those new guys.
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I know, right..? This is what most people do.. And that is one of the biggest mistakes we can do actually. If we don't look at the newcomers, how are we going to solve the retention issues?
I don't spend enough time looking at newcomers either..
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I agree with this. I am slowly and steadily helping newcomers find their mojo on the platform. But I am a newbie myself so first, I need to focus on myself.
All in due time!!!
Good thing is that there are initiatives that are helping newbies to settle down within the community and make them learn the Hive culture. But they are not enough. We all need to step up a little bit and increase the number of such initiatives.
Good thing is that we all are trying to help newcomers by producing high-quality content ourselves. Hopefully, it would inspire some of them to do their best, learn & evolve.
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We need to up our games, all of us. There is no doubt that we drifted down. People need to focus upon their posts and write them with the intention of producing top content.
Yes we all have typos and the occasional grammar errors. Yet the intention has to be for Leofinance to try and present a more professional product. I know not everyone is a long-from content creator. And yes there are language issues at times.
However, the idea of not putting any effort is in ridiculous.
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No effort, no results. That's just the way it is.
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That is true yet it is hard to get people to see that.
They all want the quick bucks. Few are willing to approach this from the building perspective.
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We are in the content creation business. So we might as well perfect it over time. Otherwise, who's going to look at us?
Top-quality content is going to take you places. Bad-Quality content & spam will push people away.
Unless you post cat videos! They always attract people no matter how bad they are.
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That is true and one thing that is needed for the SPK network to really excel.
For the rest of the communities, we need to focus upon the quality of what we are putting out. This includes the comments.
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I agree. Videos that have the ability to go viral on their own, SPK Network could very well benefit from that. Quality matters too but 'content' is the 'king'.
True!!!
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Too much easy money mindsets around here. I'd say they'll fade away quick. @onealfa seems to be quite active in cleaning the platform of such content.
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You are right. There are too many who just want the fast buck and the quick payday. They do not have the long term mindset. It is the "give me" attitude.
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Size matters. So you're right, a long post riddled with mistakes, would be better off trimmed down to something readable. But I'll tell you what gets me.
When I see a post written in two languages alternating between them paragraph by paragraph. It can cause eye fatigue and makes me want to click away.
For me, it's better to have the full English article, followed by say, the full German article. This way I can enjoy the content in one piece.
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I found a tiny grammatical error below:
It should read “ People whom don’t even seem to try!”
As much as I hate typos and jumbled words I always seem to find some even after I spell check the article :P
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We are humans and we tend to make mistakes. I see native speakers too fucking up with grammar and English. The idea is to Proof Read at least once and you will be able to omit most of the mistakes in one go.
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This particular one is NOT a typo.
This author has said "Bianace" in his last 3 posts probably 7 or 9 times.
Maybe over ten. I never counted them all
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I am damn sure if we check enough, we will find that person to be plagiarizing. Who would make such a mistake repeatedly? "Binance" is a name and why would anyone misspell it multiple times?
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Read how this all have started with Toruk
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Once again a relatable post @hitmeasap. There are literally thousands of free apps available that can help you PROOF-READ your blogs. I personally use Grammarly. If we are in the business of content writing and our bread & butter depend on it, then we might as well learn how to write properly.
Language & Grammar are the means of proper communication. I know a lot of talented people who are creating amazing content while their spoken or written English is crap. But with their commitment to learn and improve is what matters to me the most. Also, if they are able to get their thoughts across to me, it's all good.
Technically speaking, Bad Grammar is also not good for SEO, although it constitutes a very small part of it but it matters. So one must strive to correct it as much as possible.
If I have to judge only by the example you have mentioned in your post, it's an ill-structured sentence. And it doesn't make sense.
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I did a post about Grammarly years ago on my now defunct coolenglish account. It is free, isn't it? But I'm not sure it's really marketed toward non-native English speakers. I've been saying we need something like Yoast for SEO on Hive frontends. Maybe we need grammar checking in the frontends as well. Anything to help increase post quality is a good thing.
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Grammarly is free but it has premium features too. But free version is enough to get started. It helps you to proofread your document. Which is quite cool!!!
MANNNN! Genius idea. At least we can do this for English.
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Speaking of that, Leo should really have multilingual options.
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I think every platform on Hive should!! But the thing is that we are dominated by English Speaking community. I can understand because it's the common language most people speak and understand.
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If something is mildly unreadable I will probably let it go. If I have to work to read it or understand what is going on then I will probably skip it. I do typos too. I get so mad after I post something and then realize I made a typo. I feel like it reflects poorly on me and reduced my credibility. That is a personal struggle for me though. Most people probably don't even think twice about it as they are reading it.
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It is true, sometimes it is very difficult to work with a tractor that fails 30% of the time.
But it feels great to be appreciated for the effort one can make, of course I know that there are always criteria to receive a good vote, as they do not reward garbage.
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In my opinion it's rather simple: the worse your language skills, the shorter your posts should be.
But with that being said, I upvote short posts with good ideas pretty much all the time!
But like you, I skip over the rambling ones that I find hard to parse.
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A very good approach actually.
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When you reward spam and low quality you encourage it. It's why it's highly important to treat your vote with respect and vote on the value you would like to see around here. As a token hold and Hive holder you are part "owner" and in that you should care VERY much about how the platform is used. Higher quality is going to drive up the price it's the one metric we have currently for the most part here on Leo and Hive until other use cases are built out. I do like that so many are taking action and fighting for engagement but overall quality engagement letting people know garbage will not be tolerated here.
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That is true. It's vital that we treat our votes with respect and reward content we actually like. That's one of the consequences with having auto-votes.
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Google doesn't reward low quality, mistake-riddled content.
And really, that's all that matters when it comes to driving the amount of traffic required price changing LEO burns.
I would like to see other curators with a large stake think this way and change the way they curate.
But that's the beauty of our stake weighted system.
Nobody can tell you what to do :)
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That is very true. No one can tell you what to do, but flag wars often occurs due to disagreement of rewards and behaviour. So I have mixed feelings about that actually. lol
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You aren't fluent in English? This was really well written. I'dn't've guessed that.
In other news, I'dn't've is a real word, so don't come grammar policing me.
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lol, that was a cool word. Never heard that before. :D
Nah, well, I'm not native in English, as I speak Swedish, so it's my second language.
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