@jrcornel Being Flagged to Zero!
Haters gonna hate!
It's no secret that people around here loathe Steem. During the hostile takeover I personally advised @jrcornel to dump it all, but he wanted to hodl everything, wait and see. While I didn't agree with that decision, I did respect it. Holders gotta hold.
This guy was told in the comments to dump Bitcoin SV,
Like... why is holding such a big deal? HODL!
HODLing is a big deal!
Again, this is tribalism at its finest. We have our tribe, and we engage in toxic competitive zero-sum behavior, all the while justifying this as legitimate support for our team.
We win, you lose.
There are so many salty wounds out there when it comes to the Steem/Hive dynamic. Everyone is on the lookout to make sure no one is supporting Steem at Hive's expense: that's why @jrcornel is currently being flagged to zero.
@jrcornel blog content
Mostly focused on the speculative and financial side of the industry, @jrcornel writes multiple short posts a day about these topics. To some this is interpreted as reward pool abuse.
@jondoe
So @jrcornel entered into the LEO general chat the other day and someone asked him if @jondoe was his alt account. It is. There is a perception that Hive and LEO are being sold for Steem and that obviously ruffles a lot of feathers. That's not what's going on here.
@jrcornel is a heavy trader. He makes a lot of trades in all directions. Steem is an absolute cash cow right now because the value of SBD is so high. If he's farming anything, it's Steem. Hive has always been the network with the most long-term promise. We've have many many private Discord conversations to that effect over the last year. Still he likes to gamble, and he likes to yield farm. Let's be honest, who doesn't?
HODLER!
He holds at least 250k Hive and 37k LEO. We are at the foothills of a mega bull run. Is now really a good time to be flagging holders to zero? Personally I would say that now's actually a good time to give people some slack rather than tightening the belt, but that's just me. Trim the fat when it needs to be trimmed: the doomsday bear market of 2022.
Collateral Damage!
@sportsncoffee and @jrcornel once sent tokens to Bittrex using the same memo! That means they are the same person, right!? Add this innocent user to the list of needless collateral damage: downvoted to zero! Why follow up on these things when you can click a button to "handle it"?
No dialog: Wolves attack!
So yeah I guess there really is no discussion here. No one will listen to @jrcornel's side of the story and apparently many have simply unfriended and ignored him on Discord. Seems childish to me but I make that claim with limited information.
Too many posts! Too much reward milking!
Here's the thing guys: proof-of-brain. The idea is that we reward posts that bring value to the network. This can run contrary to decentralization if certain accounts are posting a lot and getting votes. The solution? Don't upvote posts if you think they have little to no value. It's not hard. If they do have value don't complain that some users bring more value than others. Welcome to the real world.
To an extent this is also more of a networking issue than one of value generation.
I have personally advised @jrcornel to try and write less posts that will subjectively be regarded as being "higher value" at least till this little feud blows over. Wouldn't want to have another @kingscrown on our hands.
Conclusion
I wrote this unsolicited. Looking at my Discord DMs, @jrcornel is probably the person I talk to the most on private channels (interestingly enough). We have a lot to talk about. Crypto and finance are very interesting and exploding with data.
With all this being said, @jrcornel is a net gain for the platform, and flagging him to zero is overall detrimental to both Hive and LEO. Yeah, I get that posting so often and holding a lot of Steem can be extremely triggering, but at the same time is it really so much to ask to start a conversation before moving in guns-a-blazing?
The Hive/LEO police got a little carried away with this one, as is often the case. On a certain level everyone knows that flagging all posts for the last week to zero over a reward disagreement is extreme at best. Chill out a bit.
He's taking a big risk holding Steem.
He's taking a big risk holding Hive.
He's taking a big risk holding LEO.
Gamble Gamble.
Certainly I can't force anyone to do anything, but I just thought this issue should be brought to light a bit. Time is the great equalizer, and these things usually have a way of working themselves out eventually. Feel free to add any more information in the comments below. Deuces!
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Well.. There are only 60.000.000.000 TRX right? They promote a staking APP with 1% A DAY in germany atm. It's really Bitconnect like. But somehow exchanges are doing the dirty work for those kind of dirtbags. I understand every persons anger.
If we don't fight back everywhere, the bad guys will take over.
Can you tell me the name of that app? For research purposes :3
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Auf gar keinen Fall, XXX
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BEER.Personally what I do is ignore posts that I think are overrewarded rather than flag, it kind of feels salty, the flag I mean, its not something I would do, im not saying jcornel is right, but he should probably post less maybe Just twice and maintain a healthy post. The flags would eventually reduce but his posts should reduce too. I hope this doesn't make him leave hive thereby dumping everything and tanking the price
He is unable to tank the price of either LEO or HIVE except for a short period in case of LEO because LEO has such extremely thin liquidity. If he were to do that, it would be his own loss and the lucky buyers' gain.
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I don't think posting too often is really an issue here. Just don't reward posts that don't bring value to the platform. It's that simple.
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We need hodlers, authors, influencers, and investors.
But, but; let chase them away- moar money for us.
Beyond stupid.
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...Never get between a
nasgulthe midwit, and his avarice...(they have a meltdown)
'They' hate it when the laws 'they' create are used not as they intended.
The 'hate' is not because the law they made is shown to be a bag of shite - but because it illustrates their lack of intelligence to the rest of the world. (midwit, and weak ego seem to be synonymous).
Avarice definition: insatiable greed for riches, miserly desire to gain and hoard wealth.
(edit - known as hodlers in the crypto world - a new phenomenon of the 21st century, where the ability to spell incorrectly is seen as a mark of being clever).
I just did it, and in a big way.
Stay tuned. 😬
I will indeed, sir!
Kudos.
Some 'semi' comic relief for ya!
https://peakd.com/hive-174578/@lucylin/its-been-a-while-since-ive-this-much-fun-with-my-clothes-on
Yeah, interesting situation for sure. I never quite got the flag wars thing, if I'm not onboard with supporting someone I just don't vote them. I suppose if someone and their friends have a big stake then they can still crush rewards, maybe that is where the flagging comes in.
They should be used more as warning shots on one post if someone is acting in a negative light.
Which is something that can be debated forever I suppose as who decides that right? Wild dynamic.
Was around him in the early days of steem. We used to interact in comments alot, he would comment but never really vote my stuff. It honestly looked like he was in a whale circle jerk the first few years of steem, which good for him. Sucks I couldn't get in on it lol.
Never downvoted him, just vote stuff on rare occasion it gives me a gem of data since I never really got support for him, which technically is me being a little petty but not a reason to down vote.
Like you said, you don't have to be happy with what people do. Its a dPOS system for a reason. If people don't like it, stake up. Become your own whale. That's what I'm working toward :-)
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I too have had to watch whale circle jerking on Steem for years, because basically us small fry could do nothing about it - not even speak up without fear of being slammed.
Now we have some whales who aren't circle-jerking and are actually trying to mitigate it, the situation on Hive is so much better.
You know when you have multiple accounts of your own to feed and need to vote those big players?
Yeah, comments only for you son!
Hahaha, that makes way more sense now!
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It was called the "Steem Guild." I wrote a post about my thoughts on guilds and that guild in particular. What they were doing was ridiculous and after Ned withdrew his stake from their controlled voting trail (after they had made themselves little whales with it), they just continued to vote for each other's garbage. Then, after they all acted like they were in it for the long-haul and one of them claiming he wasn't selling Steem "until $100"... they pretty much all left. This guy stuck around and kept doing the same thing.
I wouldn't be surprised to see a few of them come back to "milk" some more.
It's sad to see that this kind of stuff still happens (and to be clear, it's NOT just this guy or that group). This has been holding back real content discovery and reward distribution for five years. It may just be the natural result of stake-weighted voting but it's certainly preventing the "best" or potentially most "viral" content from rising to the top and attracting attention. Instead we just get mundane and/or repetitive posts from the same people day after day, week after week. It's not promoted. It's not read. It's not bringing anyone in. It's just growing the wallets of some users. And it doesn't matter whether it's Leo, Hive, Steem, or any other community or platform.
Anyway...I certainly don't feel bad for him. He and his buddies were not only socializing their "costs" of curation on Steem, but they were also mostly dicks about it. And Ned didn't care either. They were handsomely over-rewarded for doing what every other user did. And when their milking train ran dry, they just left. There's nothing for them to cry about now. Just take your win and go.
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Man, can't believe how many years ago that was at this point. Definitely a hefty sum was had.
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Once again the need to promote TIPS above the reward pool is again very evident.
It is a very important part of the balance, I totally agree.
Yeah. I'm not much of a downvoter anyway. Maybe he is milking. So what?
The real question to me is whether his posts are valuable to me and whether they fit into the constraints of LeoFinance parameters for posting. If they do, and I like it, I will upvote. If I don't like it, I will just not upvote. If it doesn't fit into the constraints I may report and or downvote, but I usually just pass on by.
If he is milking the chain, I don't have time in my day to be arsed about it. Just me.
Disclaimer. I may have not upvoted him often, but I know I have occasionally. The posts that I did upvote, I at least thought worthy. What he does with that upvote? None of my damn business.
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Wise words there.
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Thanks. I have been told I am a wiseguy!
Not in a complimentary way however :-)
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I think part of the reason people are flagging him is that they're sore that his original instinct (that Steem would retain it's value) was correct. The Steem people have done a better job of marketing than the Hive people. Instead of witch hunts, people would do better to take a step back, work out why steem is outperforming and copy their strategy to outperform them in turn.
I understand you'd prefer a positive approach and I appreciate that. But I think the reason why Steem is still alive and kicking is the fact that there are traders willing to trade anything without regard for its value and also because Sun's ego won't allow it to die. I heard there still are Korean and Chinese people posting to Steem so I guess it has some network effect in place.
I don't care about Steem. I guess you could go and cross-post to milk some rewards, which in some cases might be worth effort because of SBD being so over-valued. But someone like myself who has no network or stake there cross-posting would be a waste of time.
Also, I get why people are salty after having lot's of $$$$ stolen from them. Selling HIVE and LEO to buy STEEM is not a class act after all that happened. But @jcornel's content was perfectly fine.
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Marketing is the key to success for atls because of how many thousands of alts there are vying for attention.
Steem benefits from marketing. It benefits from matching steempower rewards with tron which trades on the major exchanges.
I've been puzzled that the Hive people haven't tried to get their coin on more exchanges - coinbase, kraken and so on. That is the key to gaining acceptance. The Tron guy understands this, but the anti-marketers of Hive don't.
A Coinbase listing might be expensive. Kraken would probably be worth a shot. Hive is already traded on many major exchanges.
The wHIVE/ETH pair on Uniswap has extremely little liquidity:
https://info.uniswap.org/pair/0x50702c216ca6906a18ff105d5dfb1602e8bf0d03
Perhaps a bHIVE/BNB pair on Pancakeswap on Binance Smart Chain would work better because smaller transactions would make sense because of the smaller fees on BNC.
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Kraken is defintely worth a shot. Most alts on Kraken trade against EUR and USD as well as BTC.
The key thing to understand is that most investors take the trouble to undergo the verification of one platform and then they stick to it. That means their investing opportunities are restricted to the alts on that platform.
if Hive wants to break away from the eastern platforms (Binance and so) and service it's mainly western users, it needs to be on Kraken.
i have hit up kraken in the past. They want to talk with the core devs, aka @blocktrades. Not with a random like me :D
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@rose98734 I agree with you. I am no fan of Justin Sun, but if we want to beat him at his own game, Hive needs to overtake Steem in both price and market cap, and the only way that is possible is by running ads, appealing to exchanges like Coinbase, and giving rewards in another crypto such as Ethereum in proportion to Hive power. Giving out Ethereum would be a great way to beat Justin, because Eth is both more well known and more valuable than Tron.
I agree downvoting isn't really appropriate in this instance, but for me personally I don't want to support (upvote) anyone who supports Steem in any way. That includes buying/holding the STEEM token, or using the Steem platform. I understand it can be a "cash cow", and if people want to take advantage of that that's up to them, but I won't support them.
This isn't simply an issue of blockchain tribalism. The Steem community/leadership literally stole millions of dollars from people because they didn't like them. It's absolutely unconscionable and unforgivable and it reflects very poorly on anyone who uses it knowing what happened.
Agree with this, you can actually stop voting him but the flags aren't necessary imo.
This is the thing too - many of the people who have supported jrcornel since the start, had their Steem stolen - yet it seems to have had no impact on him at all. You would think he would have had some limits considering that they had supported him for so long - but greed knows no bounds.
So you are the person to punish him? (Your name was dropped in the comments of his last post as one of the principles to speak to regarding why this is being done to @jrcornel - if you're not aware that others are dropping your name like that, take a look.)
Punish? He is not being punished. Downvotes are about rewards on the post and as a stakeholder on the platform, I like all others are entitled to use them to direct the inflation pool. Jrcornel has been using his stake to direct the inflation pool to himself for years, while masking the way he does it so other stakeholders support him too.
Now that stakeholders know (and they don't all know yet), they are able to make decisions on better information. If they truly think that what he offers has more value that what he extracts and they are okay with that, they are welcome to upvote. I however, do not believe that it is the case.
"Stay informed"
Okay, so if you think the end result of this is not "punishment", I guess we can leave things at that.
By the way, I remember when @jrcornel was making next to nothing. He's earned every penny of what he's done, and has every right to continue contributing. Spewing out unfounded accusations don't help your case. Perhaps you'll start putting together the documentation to back your claims and justify your punishing him for all those sins . . . oh, but I forgot, you're not punishing.
Just what would you call it?
Have you the inability to read properly?
These are not unfounded accusations and he has admitted to them in discord. Rather than apologizing and changing his ways, he went straight for the powerdown button, after using the majority of that power to increase his own stake for years on end, through comment voting and farming and multiple alt accounts.
Not only this, he crossposts onto a chain that literally stole millions of dollars from the people who have upvoted him for all of these years for him to earn the stake that he uses to support himself. Crossposting onto Steem, where Steem has user authority means that his posts their rank higher in search engines than Hive, as they have canonical.
do your research yourself.
I'm on HIVE, not Discord. This is HIVE, not Discord.
On HIVE, he has denied your accusations. On HIVE, you haven't listened to him. Your friends limit themselves to calling him a "moron".
That's what I've read on HIVE, which is where we are, and again, where none of your supposed evidence, and "confessions", exist to the best of my knowledge.
Shall we give a name to what you and your small group of friends are doing? Would "inquisition " be appropriate?
Prove me wrong.
You seem to have very little understanding - which surprises me considering your name.
I think your history is a little revised. I remember a jrcornel that spammed comment sections asking for support. I also remember a jrcornel that just happened to join a little group of people that convinced Ned to delegate his 5 million Steem Power to them so that they could enrich themselves under the guise of "quality content" and "curation" and "user retention."
Very few of the pennies he made were "earned."
I've got receipts if you want them.
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how about people who invested in Steem that have lost a lot of money, and want to HODL until the death or break even? This is my situation and whilst im HODLing i might as well use my stake and put it to good use. Im a betting man and i bet and predicted months ago that Steem price will pump this year and ill look for an exit. It looks right on course to me, decent volume, holding close to 50 cents and SBD pumping like crazy. It looks healthy, unlike Steem itself. Hive is healthy, the price and volume garbage. Go figure.
And nobody suggests you should support anyone you don't feel comfortable supporting.
But moving from that to forcing others to do as you would is another thing entirely.
This is very bad for HIVE. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that, nor to see that downvoting needs to be eliminated - there will always be bullies and abusers, and if you give them the tool . . .
I see you consistently upvoted @jrcornel, giving the impression that you valued his content. As you know, this group action, based on their own selective criteria which they know not how to express, has downvoted him to zero and basically ruined his existence here on HIVE. As such, I just wanted you to know what one core member of this community had to say about @jrcornel and ask if you still think it’s appropriate not to come to his defence? Really come your own defence? Because not only was that said about him (and it's very representative of the group think, I might add), but it was also said about everyone who valued, curated and upvoted his content.
Yes, that’s how they feel about you too.
Best Regards
Not sure what I have to come to my defense for. Yes, I do like @jrcornel's work, but I don't want to support someone who supports Steem. That's all there is to it. It's just like if there was an artist or actor whose work I like but who supports something or does something that I am against, then I may choose not to support them and buy their work.
I stated in my original reply that I don't personally think he should be downvoted, but I don't see anything wrong with choosing not to support someone who supports an organization that stole millions of dollars from people I am close to (among other things).
That's so weak. "Someone who supports Steem." Even if it were true, it's weak. And when you hide behind something that is total hearsay, it's worse than weak. I know you've got a brain, and I'll leave it to you to self-classify.
On the other hand, you ask what you need to self-defend . . .
Good luck.
It's not hearsay, he's confirmed that he holds a significant amount of STEEM and uses the platform, which helps to support it. You may think that is "weak", and you're more than welcome to support him or whoever else you want. I don't see why my decision to stop supporting him is really any concern of yours anyway.
Okay, now that you've decided to play cop, judge and executioner, and the crime is "supporting STEEM", here's a couple of names for you to treat the same, that are just as guilty of the same, that is unless you are inconsistent, weak, and totally lame. Let's see what you're really made of. My money's not on you. ;-(
@arizcon and his alter-egos: @ranchorelaxo, @bdvoter and @haejin
Have fun tough guy.
NOT.
WEAK. LAME Fuck. You know it. That's what's important.
Oh, uh, duh, it's that word "community" that you and your pals throw around, by the looks of things, quite loosely.
You must be feeling so incredibly strong . . .
If you don't know how to do the right thing, the best thing is to just shut up and hope . . .
Lol, now I know you're totally nuts. I'm "cop, judge, and executioner" because I stopped upvoting someone's posts? I never said it was a crime to support Steem, just that I won't support those who choose to. And yes, I will definitely stop supporting anyone else who I currently support via upvotes if I find out they are also supporting Steem. I don't upvote or support any of those accounts you tagged.
You seem to be freaking out, calling me names, and acting like a child, because I stopped upvoting someone. Pretty pathetic. I can see from your other comments that you're just one of these nuts and there's no point in trying to have a reasonable conversation with you.
Go ahead and post your next ridiculous reply since I know you need to have the last word.
You are an active part of the ruining of someone's blogging on HIVE.
Did you get that already?
Whether you want to admit it or not.
Like I said, you'd be better served shutting up.
I just gave you their names. How lame can you get?
At least my characterizations are accurate and fit the facts.
And, no I don't need to have the last word; you're totally free to completely melt down now.
Edit: I forgot to add to have fun building for a niche market . . . you can imagine what your niche is going to be, right?
A name to add: the 2nd part of that Dynamic Duo you do support.
Pathetic. That's the adjective that most appropriately describes HIVE's current leadership. Simply pathetic.
And don't get me going. Think about all those other things we could talk about that takes us to that same destination . . .
. . . but if you were to start somewhere, I guess getting some basic dignity might be just about the best place ever.
Good luck.
I'm curious if his curators knew all the way that he had two accounts posting with.
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I didn't know.
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Now you know...
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"Stay informed my friends" and try manual curation more often. Needles to say more than that...
I think after years of circlejerking, comment vote farming and the like - this kind of behavior shouldn't be tolerated. What I find interesting is from what I have seen, there has been no apology or remorse, just blaming the likes of taskmaster posting a lot and me posting a lot when I started (and earned FA). Instead - full powerdown. I think that says a lot about what he thinks about the community - if the cash cow doesn't produce milk...
Might you please clearly outline your accusations in a coherent and understandable manner?
And then be so good as to allow the accused to defend him/herself?
What kind of behavior exactly are you referring to? What is your evidence to justify this lynching of another HIVE user?
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Ah, you are one of the "spam tags" kind of people.
There are plenty of things to read out there, it isn't my job to keep you informed. If you are interested in supporting him, you will find him over at Steem easily.
I think this is something that concerns us all. Don't you? Or is it that you are not so happy about this being public knowledge? Perhaps?
Are you rallying the soldiers to now go and downvote all my posts too?
I am more than happy.
These are some of the people who had 26 million Steem stolen from them -you know, the place that "jrcornel is supporting and powering up his alt to whale status?
@blocktrades @gtg @roelandp @good-karma @ausbitbank @steempress @anyx @steempeak @yabapmatt @pharesim @therealwolf @someguy123 @followbtcnews @emrebeyler @abit @ocd-witness @cervantes @aggroed @drakos
There are more in that list too.
I absolutely think they should know.
Right. And @jrcornel is responsible for that!
What you are doing is absolutely reprehensible, and I get the distinct impression that you not only know that, but are okay with it.
Have a good [low] life. You've demonstrated that you clearly deserve it.
are you one of jrcornel's alts?
Tiny ideas from a tiny mind.
And so predictable.
Expected it sooner though.
Wow, good luck everyone with building HIVE, what with the likes of folks like this . . .
You have such a level of naivety it is laughable, yet talk about tiny minds as if you understand what is going on. Take responsibility and do the work yourself to find out what affects your life, then act on it. You might learn something.
Could you not tag me in stuff that has nothing to do with me. I'm not flagging jcornel ? Mass notification spam like this is likely to get you flagged
I think this concerns us all, but forgive me for including you. It wasn't my intent to unnecessarily bother anyone.
You are comparing "being lynched" to "not getting paid for blogging on a particular blockchain"
Get help. That's nasty and unnecessary. People are entitled to being alive. They're not entitled to profit from blogging
If you can't see or appreciate the harm you are doing, or just don't want to admit it, either way, you are the one who needs help.
Edit: Come to think about it, since it'll ultimately be "self-inflicted", I guess we'd better double that recommendation above.
The harm I'm doing by not giving people money for blogging? I'm under no obligation to give people money for blogging. Me not giving someone money for blogging is not a harm. Me not giving someone profit for blogging is not a sign that I need help.
Literally burning houses down is harm. Killing people is harm
Comparing those two things is senseless hyperbole. Anyone thinking they are comparable needs help
If you really believe in a blogger so much, send them a tip. Nobody can take their tips away. Nobody is entitled to profit from blogging
We all have equal, investment weighted pro-rated access to the rewards pool, as well as equal rights to be voted on and to claim the rewards due given those votes.
The downvoters, and those who support them, have STOLEN not only the author's rightful rewards, but ALSO the curators' rightful rewards!
Get a grip man. Do you have any idea about what we are supposedly doing here?
And that's not to mention the harm done to the victim's reputation (just in case you're not catching the entire drift, I'm not referring to the funny number) which, in this case, borders on character defamation.
And you're like, dude, what's the prob, telling me to get help?
This includes upvotes AND downvotes. The two mix together and arrive at a conclusion
Nobody is entitled to get paid for blogging. Not paying someone for blogging isn't the same as committing violence against that person. Downvoting is not theft. Nobody is entitled to their rewards until they are paid out. Not your keys, not your crypto: if it isn't in your account, it isn't your money. If you think downvotes are theft, go use Blurt. They'll be happy to have you. Comparing downvotes to murdering someone is sick. The same happens on youtube... are you over on youtube telling everyone that downvotes something they are comparable to the KKK and murdering the person they've downvoted?
You haven't paid me for blogging - does that mean you're in the KKK? Are you lynching me by not ensuring my profit?
This alone deserves my full power UP, man
Much appreciated!
I was wrong about the dumping HIVE for STEEM.
The dude running (at least) jrcornel and jondoe is using jondoe for Steem and jrcornel for Hive. The separation of these accounts was made to circumvent what @yabapmatt mentions:
I mean, what the hell is going on here?
Tipping himself from bittrex (which jondoe never sends to prior to encrypted memo's) to make it look like 2 people?
I would fully expect to be downvoted/shamed here if I was posting on a chain owned by people who had stolen funds from people I've met in person.
More? Ok!
Before encrypted memo knowledge....
Tada!
https://steemit.com/@treyball
https://hive.blog/@treyball
https://steemit.com/@sportsncoffee
https://hive.blog/@sportsncoffee
1/2 posts a day, repeat content, always gets a jr/jondoe vote.
Coooooooooool.
Huh? Ahhh no time, got 12 more posts to do today!
Anyone spoke to sportsncoffee or treyball on discord, ever?
I am one of the faithful @jrcornel voters, and that's because I value his content. I vote on every one of his posts. Have you read his timeline? It's one of the highest quality content timelines here, in my opinion, of course. And what's the beef if he faithfully votes me? Who are these people to think they can tell other people who to vote for and who not to vote for?
Oh, and if you take notice, since you have highlighted it, I, like @sportsandcoffee, am not following anyone either, but that's because my follow list got wiped out when I was trying to create a blacklist - @blocktrades has promised me that it will be fixed - maybe it's the same case here.
This really looks bad. It looks like a vendetta witch hunt.
Who has the right to dictate what others do with their money? When you think about it, this kind of activity could forever negatively tarnish HIVE - I mean, where in other cases nobody knows how much you have or don't have . . . anonymity . . . maybe people will think twice about joining a community where all of a sudden they could get lynched (I read the comments on his last post, and nobody gave him even the slightest opportunity to defend himself - in fact, the impression one gets is that the attack was totally premeditated).
This is very sad indeed. The main reason why I don't like downvotes - if you put a destructive instrument in the hands of destructive people . . .
. . . and we all know that there will always be destructive people.
@acidyo, @howo, @blocktrades, and like thinkers, we've got to get rid of negative incentives!
Never understood the @kingscrown persecution either, especially after he apologized (did he have to kneel instead?) - the lack of camaraderie, compassion, understanding and fairness being exhibited here is unbelievable. It almost feels like Steemit all over again.
Sounds like someone is not only out of touch, but also enjoys venerating the mistakes propped up by Ned and STINC. Bravo.
Prosecution?
This ain't a court. This is a social network.
I like something I upvote, I don't like something I do nothing, I hate something I downvote. There is nothing personal. Please stop tagging 100s of people, that is considered spam. Spam is usually downvoted on this platform. If you don't like downvote please feel free to explore the alternatives. Stop the drama.
I think it will be time hard fork again if this continues. It is obvious that the Idiotbot @spaminator and their blind followers such as @enforcer48 and @acidyo, have gone crazy downvoting people who were DISPROVEN to be connected to each other, even after the accuser apologized. I don't know who owns, programs, or runs @spaminator, but whoever it is, they are idiots.
If a hard fork does happen, it should be one that balances power so that no minority, whether it be an outspoken bullying minority, or elite (whale) minority, can dominate.
When can we hardfork idiocy from society?
I have a question for you. What is your connection to the @spaminator bot?
None, and I often curate people who are on its autodownvotes so why are you connecting me with it?
Because @spaminator downvotes a lot of the accounts that are accused. At least ones that were accused.
Interesting.
Not bad infos :)
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DV. Just to see what it feels like, and how it works. Wow, looks like I've got 10 of these I could use right now! Wow. Imagine if I were a whale . . . I could stomp all over the place. I'm sooooo powerful. Man, I could have this place all to myself in no time, well, me and my pawns anyway. Got to have someone to say yessss Sir! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Welcome to Hive!
The comment above....... I don't think History was your strongest subject at school.
Looks like you're a day late and a dollar short - not a good habit to be in. Wonder how long it'll take you all to soothe your consciousnesses, or just live with what you've done . . . which is where you end up.
But, if you want to go down that road, you've got lots of similar minds ready and willing to throw in a helping hand (I hope not literally though). https://hive.blog/hive-167922/@gank/re-jrcornel-being-flagged-to-zero-by-edict-are-they-the-same-person
Welcome to HIVE! Where history repeats itself almost daily! Keep doing the same thing and getting bad results . . . what's that called?
Kind regards
Edit: Do you feel dizzy?
That link and comment is nothing to do with me.
It has everything to do with you. You're exactly alike!
Wank, wank, wank.
Thank you for your input.
After the 2.5 free ones, it comes out of your curation rewards.
For the record, I am not selling HIVE/LEO for STEEM. I was moving HIVE from my jondoe account to my jrcornel account and I was moving STEEM from my jrcornel account to my jondoe account. It is correct that I did not publicly disclose that this was also my account as I have seen many others with alt accounts not disclose them as well. However, I did admit that it was my account when directly asked. When jd started becoming a higher earner along with jrcornel I should have stopped posting from it, I apologize for that. Sportsncoffee is absolutely not one of my accounts and is a friend of mine I have been helping on here for many years.
Hey man. If that is the case I'll upvote the fuck out of you. Better yet bring some STEEM market cap over here.. Sun yuchen can afford to pump your bags as you do it. :P
Apology not accepted. Go farm steem.
Doesn't change the fact that you are a milking dude, spinner of internet content and optimizer. Feel free to post if you wish, but don't expect any rewards in hive.
Said the dick.
BTW, were you looking in the mirror as you wrote? Just who are you and where do you get off? I'm curious.
!popcorn
As said i enjoy reading / skimming your blogs - keeps me up to date on what's going on without having to look elsewhere. hope you stick around.
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Like a post? Upvote it. Don't like it? Downvote it.
Think a post is great but the author is a terrible human being? You can downvote that too.
It's a free internet.
... for now
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10-4!
and for that comment, Neal, you got yourself a fan!
Just to be clear, I don't care what jondoe or jrcornell does with post rewards.
I do want to make sure any crossposts to steem link back to leofinance at the top of the article saying something like "This post originally appeared at "
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You've got yourself another fan for that.
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You know, our common law tradition doesn't permit harming others. In the real world there are a lot of rocks, but they're not used to throw at other people you don't like. Downvoting represents an "institutional" rock to be thrown at people we don't like and therefore should not exist. Those who allow it to exist are just as guilty as those who indiscriminately throw it.
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I've no idea what the hell is going on with this post or situation.. Who has a TL:DR;?
We've got a vigilante lynching by the holier than thou on our hands.
That's my view, of course. 😉
Fuck yeah! Nothing like a lynching to start the morning off!
😂
Some people are upset that jrcornell appears to be selling leo and hive to buy steem
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Which he denies.
https://hive.blog/hive-167922/@trumpman2/re-jrcornel-3m5gys#@jrcornel/qpesv5
How dare he sell our pet tokens for that filthy steem shitcoin. XD
No, you're just wrong
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Let’s not forget only evil actors in Steem/Hive drama are Justin Sun and Ned.
Where people post or how they use their funds really shouldn’t be anybody else’s business. It is a free market.
@jrcornel is one of the talented authors whose content has always been consistent and interesting. I see such authors as assets of the platform.
If authors come up with creative ways of earning more, more power to them. Judging their decisions based on what they do with their coins and how they utilize various platfroms is just not helpful. These downvotes are not necessary and would be nice to see them stop.
remember geekgirl about slowwalker?
You said, slowwalker is decent and supported you with 'votes'. remember what I said? they got to vote something..
Oh wait, want to see slowwalker now??
https://steemit.com/@wisdomandjustice/posts
geekgirl I like you, but you can be naive sometimes.
I like you too and I would come to your defense as well if I saw you were being bullied. You are a great asset to Hive as an author, investor, and active member.
Yes, you have been right in the past and I was wrong. Just because you were right in the past doesn't mean you are right all the time. Is it possible you might be wrong sometimes? I think you are this time.
I find @jrcornel blog posts interesting and useful and I believe many others do too. Sometimes just to catch up with what is going on with BTC and Crypto, I specifically go to Jrcornel posts to see what's going on.
What are the reasons for downvotes? Cross-posting on Steemit? Selling Hive? These reasons don't fit in any definition of an abuse. What people do with their content and assets is their business. Don't you agree? Isn't that what Hive actually means?
Driving away talented authors that provide solid and consistent content using Hive blockchain doesn't really help the cause Hive is trying to advance.
Please reconsider your downvotes. It is not just authors you are hurting but also the Hive members that enjoy the content shared by the author.
I am not talking about anyone other than you and me. Because for everything else, the evidence that @abh12345 presents right here at the top is sufficient. If you have any questions I am sure Ash will be more than satisfied to help you. Please feel to check it out.
Yes past performance doesn’t guarantee future results ;) Mutual funds say that eh? Yeah BTC went from $100 to $50,000 doesn’t mean it will go to $500,000? Eh? :)
Yeah. I am right yet again. And no, I am not right all the time.
I always enjoy our discussions geekgirl.
Do you really think he is talented? His posts basically are reduced to repeating what news outlets publish and at the end say "stay informed my friends".
Of course sharing what is going on in the world has some value. But I think that what ticked off alot of people was the fact that he has been milking the reward pool with several alt accounts while pretending by omision to mention they they belong to the same person.
To be honest, I dont blame him for still riding the milk train on steem. Let's be honest, a bunch of people are posting on both chains. Are we going to start to downvote all the people from Venezuela and other misfortunate countries who are doing the same? What good would that acomplish?
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I do think he is a talented author. Keeping up with the daily crypto news and presenting summary with personal opinions in an interesting way does take some talent. And I see value in that for Hive.
"His posts basically are reduced to repeating what news outlets publish and at the end say "stay informed my friends"."
Good point. One of the reasons I muted him, aside from considering his content overvalued.
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Agreed everything was repeated what was already out there and nothing new.
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That's a nice revisionist history. I suppose all the witnesses that declared loyalty to Justin Sun must be innocent as well.
One of the biggest failure of Hive/Steem is who the community pretend to be talented/popular when they are just a subpar versions of Associated Press in a tiny puddle.
You can call those witnesses and others who may have sided with Justin Sun many things, but "evil" is not one of them. Evil acts of hostile takeover that put the chain and the user assets at risk were done only by Justin Sun and Ned. When the hostile take over of the chain governance happened, initially there were only JS sock puppet witnesses at top 20.
Those who sided with JS and joined him, did so after the fact. Their reasons may vary. Perhaps some saw a financial opportunity, perhaps some saw an opportunity to influence the direction network should move, perhaps some saw it as retaliation to past conflicts. Doesn't matter. All happened after the fact. And there were very few witnesses that chose to do so. Even today, I believe majority of top Steem witnesses are JS witnesses.
Decentralized systems are all inclusive. You many have participants who actually prefer centralization, and participants with wide variety of points of view and opinions.
Anyway, my point is the topic of this post really has nothing to do with Steem/Hive drama, and downvotes should not be used based on that.
Guess consenting to fork out user funds is not evil in your eyes. A kind reminder that only @blockbrothers walked out with a clear conscience and immediatley lost support from JSun.
Revisionist history indeed.
Early benefactors of @ned's bs need to go as well. All of them. Eventually.
It didn't matter who witnesses were. Stealing people's funds was ultimately an act of one person. Only one person had the power to do so and that one person had enough sock puppets witnesses running. So there was no need for anybody else to support him. Just the fact of 2 or 3 witnesses supporting, only gave a lame excuse of saying "this is a community decision". You give too much credit to those witnesses. By doing so, you may qualify this theft as a group effort. There was no group effort. Only Justin Sun stole and wanted it look like a group/community effort.
Again, this history is irrelevant to the current topic.
Keep up with the mental gymnastics.
Ned's relics will be retired one way or another.
No. The Korean community that became the witnesses sat on the fence until they found a way to take it over completely for themselves. They are not innocents in this.
This in untrue.
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What I meant was initial attack was done by JS alone. Those who chose to support the actions did so afterwards. Perhaps you are right, maybe if KR community votes instead supported community witnesses JS hostile takeover would have failed. But we don't know that for sure. That scammer has many resources and connections. I think he would be able to takeover even without KR community support.
Moreover, we may not agree with the votes cast by KR community at that time, but that doesn't negate the fact that those votes still were legitimate votes. People can vote in anyway they want. The only illegal votes were done by JS, because those stakes were not meant to participate in governance.
I share your thoughts, and wish KR community sided with the overall community. In that regard they might have failed the community. At the same time, from a different point of view, one may conclude that overall community failed KR community.
Decentralizations allows presence of opposing views and participation in governance with stake based votes. Every stakeholder had a right to vote whichever way they choose. Only votes that were illegal are JS stakes bought from Ned, and the votes by exchanges using user funds.
Why hasn't he posted four times a day with his main account and felt the need to create an alternative one, but without disclosing his ownership? Is that creative?
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It is a personal choice. Many people have alternate accounts for various reasons. Having alternate accounts, not disclosing ownership, etc are not abuse of any kind. Hive operates under DPOS protocol, so multiple account ownerships by a single person does not hurt Hive in any way.
It's definitely not abuse, but it's for sure a trust issue for his community if he owned multiple accounts without publicly unveiling that. It's that trust that he's lost and probably never regain. I bet most of the ones that downvoted him were his curators before that. He has simply disappointed though his attitude.
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I fully agree with you, he can do whatever he wants with his stake. I kept also my Steem, and it is producing me a decent return where I can buy into other tokens, especially used it to buy LEO and SIM.
The thing is, that some contenders have been milking the system also for a long time and taking advantage of the networking that they've built.
Shall we start flagging for what they purchase?
We need to get rid of the Steem stigma, as it is holding us back. If we want to look back, we shall look on who started the whole thing and who pulled first the trigger. Steem shall be treated as history, simple as that.
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The earning HIVE to buy STEEM is kind of a red herring anyhow, as is how he spends his tokens in general. My issue is his slowwalker style pay yourself with alts schtick, which he obviously went to a lot of effort to conceal. Keep in mind, this is the same person who would drop 100% upvotes on his 3-word comments, right before the timer expired. When called out after the whole 'new steem' thing he switched to trading votes--whatever. Fast forward to now, getting 40-50 bucks for 400-word commentary posts just wasn't enough for him. It's a slap in the face to those with significantly less stake putting in the work. Zero sympathy, I don't care who he chats with on discord.
Any small account doing this would have been righteously chased off and blacklisted. I will not support a 2-tier system of acceptable behavior. I don't care how much stake you have.
Hive logic: @jrcornel = important; @coruscate, @cryptofinally, @cryptowendyo = not important.
And they wonder why people think this place is shit. They still put the early benefactors of @ned's fuckery on a pedestal.
Being a fully anon personality with mediocre hive-exclusive content and a large stake isn't nearly as valuable as some people assume. Perhaps that's counterintuitive.
the whole point of this place is you can do what you want and say what you want. Its a blank canvas you choose what you do with it, just like life itself. This is a community but if its a small one of playing by the rules of said community, its cult like and toxic and nothing but a circle jerk. I prefer the freedom, non governance, anarchy that this place has to offer, the way nature intended. The only thing this place needs from us is nurture.
I disagree, the point is community governance.
Your preference doesn't really fit the tech. Instead of communicating on a public database and rewarding people with public funds, it would appear that end-to-end encryption is more your speed.
In a way i suppose your right in that the upvote downvote button is by nature community governance. The same as reddit i suppose. I still think it creates only toxic communities though, humans are awful for bullying and squabbling. I Hope LEOs twitter is more of a free for all in that sense. Not sure i like the downvote button really i never use it and probably never will.
The downvotes can be very toxic and bad in the wrong hands and used for the wrong reasons, that's why there's only 25% mana to them so people can counter those being used wrongly. The bad actors will quickly stop using downvotes once it starts eating at their upvote mana (potential curation rewards) and if there's a lot of countering and backlash from upvoters disagreeing with the downvotes even if it means they get less curation returns from countering. In this case here it seems well deserved if someone for years has been tricking people into voting up a secret alt instead of disclosing it was his to begin with.
Seriously?
You're a laugh.
Yeah cause I'm the one that made himself look like an utter fool and desperately tried to get everyone's attention through mass tagging and exaggerating what the deserved downvotes were like. Enjoy being irrelevant in the future of Hive, loser. I feel for anyone that has had the bad luck to be in contact with you in real life.
Your stupidity is a crime against humanity.
Come on guys chill. I dont see what the problem is with Jrcornel. I thought his stuff was ok, if he wants to sell his Hive and buy Steem or whatever it is your all bitching about then thats his choice. Financial decisions are personal and in all honesty Steem has showed itself to be the better choice so far even if the place fell apart. I mean lets face it Justin Sun took the brunt of the abuse for what Ned did wrong really in selling his shady pre mine. Justin showed he had no intention of taking over Steem and making it Tron. He added Tron payments to the system and thats about it. So he acted childish in retaliation or at least the Korean gang did in cutting out certain people but ultimately those same people were talking about doing some nasty shit to Justin Sun. No one is right no one is wrong, your all as bad as each other when you choose to fight.
I respected abh being wrong about his accusation of jrcornel selling hive for steem and never brought that up, it's the level of shadiness with sockpuppets I am against after many times having had authors I curate turn out to be running multiple accounts on both hive and discord to trick people for more rewards, someone like jrcornel should know better after having been on the chains this long and having that high of a reputation score. The rest is just noise really and I'm treating it as such, a lot of craziness.
You've said that how many times already? Go back to your script and see if you've got something else to try.
The desperate fools are those trying to convince themselves that they have done no wrong. What do they call it when you keep doing the same things over and over with the same terrible results? Google it. It'll be a learning experience.
Like I told one of your two-faced fake friends: you're better off just shutting up and hoping . . .
Schumck.
Must suck being you.
Don't you wish.
Moron.
Ait, this has been fun, looking forward to forgetting your useless existence.
Moron.
Hive has actually been very good compared to STEEM. The abuse is minor. I hadn't used any downvotes in months until now.
I just wanted to make sure you saw what one of those fine individuals replying to you had to say in another part of this now extensive thread.
Because not only was that said that about him (and, I might add, it's very representative of the group think of those involved, too), but it was also said about everyone who valued, curated and upvoted his content.
Yes, that’s how they feel about you too.
Best Regards
Take a look at how @smooth has "concealed", if you want to call it that. And that's just to get started. If you wanted, you could spend half a lifetime tracing everyone's funds.
I consider it to be a matter of personal privacy, and here we are policing individual privacy (and property for that matter) - the very lot of us who "champion" the private nature of crytpo.
I detect a lot of jealously as well.
The downvote has got to be eliminated, or else this platform will degenerate into a miserable circle jerk.
BTW, you'd be getting my full upvote on all your Dbuzz posts if you'd just raise your payout cap a bit. It's not quantity, it's quality that matters. 😉 Not going to upvote you if it's nulled though. Defeats the purpose, you know - we're supposed to be mining.
Also, I give out full upvotes because I don't have the time to spend trying to find more quality content.
There are many anonymous people on Hive, myself included. If I were to selfvote and votetrade and vote on alts with all the VP in my disposal I'd fully expect the community to cancel me. Remember we share the same reward pool and especially people as big as him should look for new authors and smaller accounts to support to grow this place instead of thinking of himself all the time. The curation rewards should be enough at this point for accounts of that size instead of also maximizing author rewards in every way he can and doing the whole platform and it's future a disservice.
This is exactly why the free downvotes were introduced and they're working as intended and why Steem for the longest time was a literal circlejerk by most users and distribution sucked.
Then join a curation trail.
I prefer to manually curate, and I choose to give out nice rewards, even though I know that is frowned on.
I would like to see the evidence on the @jrcornel selfvoting and votetrading and votes on alts.
Oh, and then I'd just love to see the same on the dozens, if not scores, of people who are really doing it!
It doesn't take that much to document and sustain this kind of argument, and the fact that it hasn't been done is very telling, as well as is the fact that it can easily be done with others.
Don't worry about me though. I'll never stoop to such lows. I'm simply out of here. It's been real.
I thought the proof @abh12345 posted was plenty, changing owner keys on both accounts around the same time, same bittrex memo's until they figured out how to use encrypted memo's, etc. I'm sure he's not the only one and there's many others, it's not difficult to conceal this activity, it's difficult to keep it up for a long time without making mistakes that bring it to light.
This from the body of this post:
And what he says here is exactly in line with what I know about him: https://hive.blog/hive-167922/@jrcornel/qpf6px
But nobody gives a shit about what he has to say.
This is all so fucked up! And it seems to be a majority attitude. Not a place where someone like myself wants to be.
Why is this fucked up? It's the community protecting the place, if they're wrong then it'll get fixed. I was under the impression he had come clean and admitted it was his secret alt.
You were under the impression . . .
And I continue to ask of the attackers that they provide evidence for their accusations. Now you understand why. Or is an "impression" enough to lynch someone?
You now see that he denies it all . . .
Fucked up? What would you call it? It looks like the KKK in full gear, just with 21st century clothes. If that's what you call the "community protecting the place", then you've done no more than give me more reason to get out, like at top speed!
Your exaggerations are making me not want to try have a conversation about this anymore.
Oh how you wish they were exaggerations. Problem is you're smart enough to know they aren't.
No, you're exaggerating. It's just downvotes, comparing it to KKK and anything else is absurd. He's potentially farmed rewards for years under the guise of a secret alt, if there's any truth to it the downvotes are justified and he can survive a few days of downvotes, it's not the end of the world, especially not for someone with potentially hundreds of thousands of stake earned through excessive self-voting, vote-trading and comment voting. The fact you're defending him this hard and throwing a hissy fit about it is ridiculous. I was downvoted for months from korean stakeholders and other trolls and I'm not the one with a potential alt I abuse the rewardpool with nor did I stop posting instantly when the downvotes occurred and ask people to defend me as if my life depended on it. Get real.
It hurts to see this level of intelligence in the 21st century, really hurts. It's like you haven't a clue, and need to stick with your console. Sorry, but that's where you leave yourself. Again, it hurts, and it hurts me to say it. Hope someday it serves you well.
It's not just downvoting, it's unjustified, vigilante lynching.
. . . and a clear lack of values and courage.
even IF there were any truth to it!
Good luck to you.
Is he known for spam commenting early on in his Steem journey, yes.
Is he known for voting up his own comments before payouts on many occasions, yes.
Is he known for getting a lot of autovote on a constant basis and on a consistent occasion making the most out of them, on top of vote trading (always same people who vote him get a vote back from him, not much on newbies, or delegating/trailing curation trails to give back to others in the community), yes.
Is it plausible that a person who has done all this and continues to do this also started another alt to get more than the consistent one post per day for a higher post reward ROI than the majority of other accounts on Hive? PROBABLY?
The level of defending someone who has time and time maximized and taking this so far out of proportion to shame and accuse downvoters of everything you have is beyond ridiculous so good fucking riddance to you, sir.
On top of it all he's not that valued of a Hive author anyway, what he posts can be found daily in r/cryptocurrency or crypto twitter for free. Nor are his contributions to hive through curation that valuable either.
And so you have the moral indecency to suggest that it doesn't matter anyway whether it's right or wrong since in your judgement he's below initial repect to begin with! Not to mention those who do find value in his posts! They too don't deserve your respect either. Who made you fucking god?
If I were you, I'd take a very long break away from it all. That's about the most despicable thing anyone could have ever said. KKK reasoning, live in hive!
I stand by it, he brings very low value to Hive. Go learn what this place is about instead of defending maximizing greedy stakeholders like your life depends on it. What you've written here today is way more ridiculous than anything I may have said about it, including this:
eat shit and fuck off.
A very apropos way of ending. The perfect confirmation that was needed.
Are you all going nuts on discord trying to figure out how to nuke this thread? :D
For what it's worth, you all might not go all that wrong with a good look in the mirror. It could be HIVE's saving grace. And you can take that as good faith advice as I have absolutely nothing to gain by what you do or do not do - remember, I already told you I was out of here. ;-) Cheers.
I agree, had to end it on a good note for you wasting my time here today.
Don't think anyone has tried to nuke this post nor is anyone trying to, edicted doesn't seem to be someone doing shady shit like the doc and he's free to express his opinion on it.
You pretty much lost me with the KKK comparatives. Why not throw in some Nazi ones too?
I feel as though the constraints of this system (read in community governance, and public commons) don't fit into your strict world view. IF this place wasn't voluntary and these constraints were being imposed upon me involuntarily, I might feel similarly. But participation is voluntary, and you are subject to community governance. Losing community governance via STEEM is why we have a HIVE at all. You landed on the blockchain where the people who care about that came!
Nothing with regards to justification for what's being done?
Look that's a joke between you and me. I know I'm asking for the impossible because I know the proof you need doesn't exist. So let's leave it at that. I like you and we don't need to go loggerheads for other people's idiocy. BTW, that type of group mentality is appropriately compared to the KKK, or Nazis, or Stalinists, or whatever group you choose that indiscriminately attacks innocent victims, but, again, I digress.
And you're right about the voluntary nature of our participation. Anyone who chooses to subject themselves to this kind of treatment is free to do so, just as the people who form the mob are free to do that (well, free, free, I'm not so sure - history shows that sooner or later it always ends bad for the circle jerks).
Just as those who wish to avoid this kind of dysfunctional behavior can opt out.
Cheers. It was nice knowing you.
FWIW if it's just one bittrex transfer that shouldn't count as proof, I have many times had people send to my exchange deposits and I've sent to theirs so I imagine that's something common.
Not sure why this is something that would make you "get out", I wish more people would see this as him having attacked Hive and its proof of brain for years instead of the community attacking him back for 1 day after it's been revealed what he's been up to.
Prove it and give him his rightful say, and I'll stay.
Ait well that sounds pretty shortsighted in my view, there's plenty of reasons to be on Hive and continue posting, even if your rewards are being downvoted for one reason or another.
Yeah . . .
. . . if only this were an isolated incident and the opinions expressed and actions taken were anomalies.
And all the while everyone continues to defend downvoting, the instrument that makes all this possible!
What does that tell you about the community?
Just incredible.
Simply nuts.
It's just downvotes, calm down.
Keep telling yourself that.
Please don't let the door slam behind ya @cryptographic
Tagging you, because you like to tag The Whole World!
No need to tag when it's a direct reply, you knucklehead.
Hope that doesn't trigger you too much. Had a couple of beers. It's Saturday, you know? It's called life beyond HIVE. lol
Time to chill. You're late to the game.
Guess you've still got time for brownie points though. ROTFLMAO
You guys are too much. Lose like good losers. I'm done with you.
A freethinking army of ONE! Enjoy your beer! Asshole!
Something I can say to you that isn't an insult but is totally true? With 100% accuracy? You're a loser and that's a simple fact.
And everbody knows it but you! 😂
Thank you!
First let me say I don’t give a damn about you being the least bit bothered by this tag. Anyone who complains about this tag is only showing the rest of the world the total disdain they have for HIVE. Yes you heard me right, for HIVE. Because if this is a bother, the heart and soul of your project, then you’d better start thinking about something else.
Look at the comment I’m responding to and tell me that this individual isn’t @ranchorelaxo, @bdvoter and @haejin all rolled up in one.
You people are pathetic.
You want to survive . . . haven’t you seen it enough times already? Get rid of downvoting now!
And take a deep breath if being tagged has bothered you so much.
Be thankful that I’ve addressed you in this semi-private way.
Do you have to spoon feed everyone all the time?
On top of it all, you’re a bunch of ingrates too?
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Personally, I feel downvotes have a place, though, some are abused. When it comes to things like plagiarism or hatespeech - they are necessity. Differences of opinion is another story, as is reward dispute. But, I hear Blurt and Whaleshares are doing great if you wanna check out what no flags looks like?
You can't compare apples to oranges. Eliminating downvotes has to be inextricably tied to forgetting about the scammers completely and focusing only on the positive.
Imagine what Twitter would look like if everyone was obsessed with who was getting the most Likes. Well, there are, but they don't get any attention. But once you start telling them you're going to give them downvotes, look out!
You want people to focus on the positive, on real quality content, only give them positive tools. And who cares what a couple of chumps want to to with vote trading! What's more, if they've invested their own hard earned money and that's what they want to do, what's the problem with letting them do that? In their own corner where nobody sees them or cares about them while the rest of the community grows in the positive? But noooooo. They're "raping the rewards pool".
How stupidly childish can you get?
Lol what a load of nonsense.
It's amazing that you can't see the irony of you posting stuff about Trump and yet support Twitter's (and mainstream media's) fatal flaw of allowing illusion of positive reinforcements only.
That's what created the echo chambers, the spread of misinformation, and the fringe views reframed as popular opinions.
Did you know vote trading/buying happened long before Steem was a thing? Combine that with the positive shenanigans, the internet sure has a very different world view than the one in your head canon.
Yeah, except you guys stick out like sore thumbs and occupy places you shouldn't be on people's social feeds. People like you are the reasons why we need to move all social rewards to layer 2, so if a token wants that kind of boring interactions, let them.
Instead of asking yourself what can we do to incentivize people to act for the greater good of the platform, you opted for brushing everything under the rug. Instead of recognizing that something is broken when people have to act extremely selfish in order to have returns, you think it's your right.
Why the hell should anyone create value for YOU to cash out? It's time for you to power down and leave.
Everything you just said reinforces all my criticisms that I have clearly spelt out. The marginalized "corner" was made for people like you who aren't capable of seeing past their own nose. Of course, everything is relative, and we could simply agree that the whole of HIVE is a "marginalized corner". Enjoy your delusions.
BTW, Twitter's downfall is due to rewarding destructive behavior - they're not called downvotes though, rather "fact checked censorship", made by equally ignorant, emotional and vigilante inspired zealots. (The difference is that they at least try to keep up appearances with fake "fact checks", here they don't even bother, in fact they are so brazen that they admit it and directly challenge you with, "what are you going to do about it". Insanity at its best.)
You should try thinking before you open your mouth. It yields extraordinary returns.
For anyone who wants to learn more, study my timeline - I don't repeat myself twice to the same person. Now I'm transferring that policy to the group. You'll need to make the effort, but I assure you, the answer to your question (regarding the subject at hand) is there. And, if you're not happy with what you find there, you always have the HIVE cave wall.
Ahahahaha!
More like you are salty that your biggest vote is powering down. Please don't project your own perceived "marginalization" and apply it to everyone else. The persecution may be in your head.
I doubt they will experience anything close to what you are describing. Not when they are owned by the same people that own the politicians. lol
You could have avoided all those "destructive behaviors" on Blurt. But hey, you know in your heart whatever you are spewing is false.
Try to cut the act, there's no moral superiority or "lesson" in your dribble. It's time for that self-elated arrogance to stop and get a reality check.
I will spell it out to you once again: there's no sympathy for benefactors of Ned's fuckery. You aren't entitled to cash out the value others created.
Get lost.
And with you being so triggered and your thoughts being so chaotic, you only demonstrate that you don't have a clue at all about what you're talking about.
As I said before, have fun with your delusions - they don't go away by posting this kind of idiocy, no, they become yet more manifest.
Any further comments on your part will only take you to a higher level, that of being a certified loser.
Bet you can't help yourself. Bet you're just dying for the prize.
Edit: It's hard to believe the predictability of stupid people. Just amazing! You took the bate! And I love how you topped things off with probably the stupidest thing anyone has ever expressed on HIVE!
Congratulations, you've tied for first prize with @acidyo. You're in good company. 😍 Cheers!
Pretty sure the only one triggered here is you. lol
That's too bad. Guess you aren't as intelligent as you first portrayed yourself.
Don't be so hard on yourself. You thought clicking an upvote button was gonna take you into a cushy retirement.
How sad my "chaotic thoughts" was worth you repeating "nothings" to me while attempting to prove your supposed higher intellect. Who's the loser now?
I see you have been editing your comments furiously.
My, my, insisting on the pretense of intelligence to the end. Try to have less chaotic thoughts next time when you want to pretend you have coherent thoughts.
I've had a chat with him once, I'd rather put my fingers in a door jam and close it repeatedly than repeat it.
Yikes.
The resident negativist know-it-all weighing in!
The man who just says NO it can't be done because he says so!
The man who is incapable of formultating rational arguments and relies exclusively on intimidation, insult and injury.
Weighing in when the misery is at its zenith!
Birds of a feather fly together. There's never been a better example than the @jrcornel lynching on HIVE!
And here he is, finally making his appearance! (What took you so long?) Drawn by the effective case being made against me, I guess. Everything has been shown to be untrue because I edit my posts! I'm totally undermined! 😲 Can you get any more pathetic? Is it possible to reach levels of greater desperation? To the point of trying to turn something good into something bad!
Maybe that's how they actually see things. The world turned upside down. Editing is bad and buggy coding is good! Go figure. There's no reasoning with them! Not even when you put glaring deficiencies side by side with petty personal attacks. Impressive!
That chat he so fondly refers to: https://hive.blog/witness/@apshamilton/hive-api-node-for-under-usd750-hive-can-scale-at-very-low-cost
Did you know a flamingo can only eat when its head is upside-down.
You mean something like this (something we once had that will still take months to get back?):
https://hive.blog/hive-139531/@cryptographic/qou088
Or this (which still hasn’t been resolved . . .):
https://hive.blog/hive-139531/@cryptographic/qnjxcm
One thing for sure: this exhibition of the core group’s despicable behavior and total lack of moral values (which puts into doubt their character in a semi-centralized setting where trust is still unfortunately a central issue) in conjunction with a total lack of technical prowess has unquestionably served as fair warning to anyone outside that clique who is thinking about investing in, or has invested in, HIVE. It’s a dubious proposition to say the least made clear by the main characters themselves.
I tried appealing. I tried reasoning. I tried embarrassing. I tried ridiculing. I tried shaming. I tried everything to get through your thick heads (or decisively rule that out as a possible cause), and nothing worked.
Nobody can say I didn’t try (and in spite of the constant belligerence).
The facts are the facts. It is what it is.
DYOR
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If you decide to leave Hive, be sure to let your fans know where you are going from here. In my opinion you make good posts.
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Hello,
I read your posts on Bitcointalk since May 2017, then I followed you on Steem/Hive & Twitter.
I always enjoyed your insightfull crypto-related content. Now I see that you’re going ‘of grid’. Hope you’re well? Let me know if I can help with anything.
Just in case you’re active on another social medium can you please let me know?
Thanks in advance and take care in life!
Hope to see you again.
Greetings!
Swissman
You people are pathetic. Not only are you not able to gracefully go away (to not say that you are stalkers, but you're getting close), you just don't even have a clue about anything you have to say. Zero. That screenshot you posted only highlights the fundamentally buggy nature of HIVE. You don't even know what you're working with! You're so much in the dark that you post things that undermine your own position and make yourselves laughing stocks (look at the zero who just posted below you!).
hive.mind is buggy as shit. It double, triple, quadruple, quintuple reports all the time. Or don't you get notifications? (And, mind you, this is only ONE example - if you're smart ...) It's right in front of your nose and you're so stupid you don't even get it! Take the following screenshot included below, for example. A quadruple notification that @gank mentioned me and other people 1392 times! And there weren't 1392 mentions. No, it gets worse. Every time that notification is resent, the original number is added to the previous! I must have a dozen notifications in my TL for that post!
I've told you before that everything you say (now I'm directly talking to you, personally - this is not a "you all", but just you) is stupidity elevated by 10. Think before you speak! And if that's not possible, or if you don't have anything real to attack me with, then keep that trap closed and save yourself the embarrassment.
Posting on peakd since hive.blog (hiveblocks.com too) has been down for 2-3 hours now . . .
Keep telling yourself that. Most of us here don't need to edit our messages multiple times. If you are having trouble putting out coherent thoughts, try taking your own advice:
Think before you type.
I'm mildly amused by the fact that you feel compelled to have to prove to me that you somehow have any semblance of intelligence. Good thing the chain records sad attempts such as yours.
Go look at yourself in the mirror and ask yourself, was it worth it?
That trail of edit history just spells out a lack of thought when publishing a cohesive comment. But anyone wanting to see what was written, doing you a favor right here
Pretty cool tool. Vindicates those who seek excellence. Just one little word makes all the difference in the world, and, as you note, more often than not it has nothing to do with cohesiveness, but let's let bygones be bygones.
Did you catch the irony? It's called editing, indeed! God, what a sin! 🤣 (P.S. this was edited and the simpletons don't have anything else to talk about - much less improving their buggy software. The intellectual level is just unbelievable!)
Only reply at your own risk. (Not that I will be saying anything, just that the reader is very well prepared.)
You have a lot of free time.
I don't like slander, so yes, I will defend myself, even against the most petty of things, and especially when someone is so dumb as to do that while putting their own glaring deficiencies in the spotlight. You fool no-one, not even with your juvenile bating. My job is to shut you up, or at least show intelligent people what an idiot you are. Otherwise, they just might believe you. Get it? I didn't ask you to come here with your chip on your shoulder, now did I? I don't even know you. Haven't spoken to you in my life. Haven't even seen mention of you before, and you come here with your lightweight, 2nd division criticisms and opinions? Yes, I have the need to expose the impostor before us, no matter how petty, and especially when . . .
By the way, a less convincing argument, one that equally makes a fool of you, is the rhetorical question about whether you ever bother to change a spelling mistake or are you one of the "purists"?
Since you make me sick, and since I'd really like to end this "thread", I decided on the more powerful argument in hopes that you'd feel a little less shameless, but I get that with you, there's no shame to be found, and I'm just going to have to give you the last word, for however false it may be - of course, everyone reading, by now, will know that anyway. So go ahead. Have at it. Hopefully it'll make us laugh.
And that pretty much goes for everyone else who has the need to imitate this retard. Don't know why these nobody's come out of the woodwork at this time or how many more of you there are, but I'm not playing anymore, so, have at it. Hopefully you'll be just as good, and just as funny as gank.
Wouldn't it be better just to start your own thread with a post of your own? Get it off your collective chests like that?
Okay. Toodaloo!
Try to learn the difference between "libel" and "slander". I think most people will find me correct. You may stop projecting your own weaknesses onto me.
Like I said, take your own advice: think before you type.
They are coming out of the woodwork because they are tired of your retarded ass pretending to know what he's talking about. It's amazing how people are watching when you think they are not, no?
You win.
Now, just to figure out what you've won.
Whatever.
The majority of people aren't as dumb as you think they are.
I know, that's lost on you.
As I said, you've won.
The irony is indeed lost on you.
You're so right.
What I would like to know is how did @cryptographic get sucked into this mess? I understand being concerned about the one guy who has multiple accounts, but @cryptographic if you ask me, can not possibly be the same person, based on what they write about. @cryptographic writes about Trump and QAnon just as much as he writes about crypto, but from what I have seen,@jrcornel has not made any political posts. They also have different writing styles.
Also, the accuracy of the accusing is questionable, since both @frankbacon and myself were also drug into the mess before proving to be separate accounts. The damage you are doing is huge, not only to those accused, but also to the Hive blockchain. The worst of the damage however is making yourselves look like idiots, whereas before, I respected many of you.
This looks like a job for the LEO Community to proactively get to the bottom of this Dickery!
I offer myself to be Audited by someone the community selected.
@newparadigmtt observes situations like this as well.
HIVE!ON Bruvs!
I think they can solve the problem. @leofinace is a whale, so they have lots of voting power. I am disappointed in @blocktrades however. I like how they took charge and dealt with @justinsunsteemit, but lately they have become a new Justin Sun if you ask me.
Several things here, first of all your stake is delegated to you. You don't have hundreds of thousands of dollars invested in any of this stuff, so it's not quite the same. Also, you ARE actually selling HIVE!
Moving past all of that, if there is a set of established rules and expectations for everyone I would be happy to abide by them. As far as I can see, many people have alts, many people have steem, many people are cross posting on steem, many people tend to vote their friends on here, many people have alts that aren't publicly disclosed, several people are posting as much or more than I am (included with an alt) that are earning significantly more than I am/was.... if we want to impose some general rules, so be it and I would be happy to abide by them but thus far that hasn't really been the case.
So just because I don't have money invested (to your knowledge) I'm not allowed to voice my opinion on how people should and shouldn't abuse the reward pool?
Yes, and buying too. I didn't comment on what you're doing with your Hive, my schtick was with your secret alt you were self-voting and getting a lot of rewards on on a daily basis along with your main. I'm not the one that's been secretly building an alt to get more out of the rewardspool. last time I had an interaction with you was due to excessive votetrading after the EIP when we were trying to break that off, you along with some korean stakeholders and sweeetssj.
I think it should be pretty obvious by now that the one freedom hive gives people, which voice.com didn't, is a pretty big no-no to abuse to have a secret alt you can earn more daily post rewards from compared to everyone else.
Feel free to name other people's undisclosed alts if that's who you compare your actions to justify yours to.
I'm not justifying anything, I'm simply pointing out that not everyone seems to have the same rules. Some can post from alts, some can't. Some can cross-post, some can't. Some can vote for their friends, some can't Etc Etc Etc. And I gladly said that I would stop posting from an alt account if that was the issue here.
It's not the same when you say you'll "gladly" do this and that after you get found out and have to admit to an alt. The trust is gone. Of course if you're a bigger stakeholder and raking in more rewards than 99% of the rest you have more eyes on you and more to lose and obviously the downvoters are reacting more strongly to it cause of that.
I have nothing to gain from voicing my opinion in this thread and only possible witness votes to lose which I'm seeing go already. It's disappointing if one stakeholder has been using more than one account to get more rewards than other users. You can maybe understand it coming from a curator who's focused on a healthy distribution that it's not helping if you're earning this much more than others who may put in the same amount of time and also investment into their accounts. FWIW I don't even post often because of massive autovotes, look at my recent post and often if it's not directly to leofinance I use @reward.app to send author rewards back to curators on posts that don't have a lot of effort on for a fair reward distribution in my eyes. How do you think that makes me and others feel knowing you're not only welcoming the autovotes (who often are constantly from the same people you also autovote) and as a big stakeholder also self-voting, but also raising another secret alt account to possibly do the same and self-voting those posts too.
What do you have to say to the people who were supporting both accounts who had no idea it was you and voiced their opinion on it and that they are disappointed. Go reply to them.
And lastly, what was stopping you from doing 2 posts per day on your main account instead of 50% here and 50% there if it wasn't to allocate more selfvotes to yourself without looking like they are selfvotes.
Come on, man. At what point will you feel like you're making enough rewards, aren't you a big shot trader as @edicted mentioned in the post? Do you really need to stoop down to these levels just for that increased APY on Hive and the other chains?
Something else I can also say with 100% certainty is that you are pathetic. It's certified.
You need to give up Twitter too. You give the impression that HIVE is for idiots.
lol
If you have evidence of abuse, please post it here: https://discord.gg/yfd95Sy.
I hope to see this resolved amicably.
A 'go forth, and sin no more' kind of thing.
I know he has multiple accounts, as do I. That was never the issue. Beyond that you'd have to elaborate.
The reward pool is a public commons allocated by votes, the blockchain is a public content database. When competing for either finite resource publicly, that is the blockchain itself, and rewards, you are in fact NOT entitled to privacy, and pending rewards ARE NOT your property. You want assured privacy, there are other blockchains for that.
From whom, from me? Of what? His prose? His wallet?
I think the opposite is true. Want proof? Downvoting and community policing has been what has eliminated much of that activity. I invite you to look at STEEM (https://steempeak.com/@wisdomandjustice). That being said, Blurt is waiting for you with open arms if you seek a version of the blockchain that has no downvotes.
I'm not sure what you're trying to argue here as justification for this treatment of a HIVE member. Could you tell me exactly why you think @jrcornel deserves to be treated this way? What exactly did he do and what is the evidence you have to show?
It's an important question for all those currently here and those who may be interested in HIVE. Just what are the rules you go by? What could cause this kind of wrath to fall on someone?
Those are fair enough questions, don't you think? Wouldn't you like to know before playing?
Of course, as you know, 'the rules are capricious and we make them up as we go according to how we feel and who's on the recieving end' answer won't get many new players.
HIVE member indeed. He has a long history of milking rewards and manipulation that I and others have directly observed, and he has be 'treated this way' in the past for it and openly atoned for his actions. I thought he had changed his ways as I suspect others had as well, but he had only changed his tactics. He hasn't been on anyone's radar for months, which I believe is why the response was so strong and swift. People felt betrayed.
With all due respect, as a sovereign entity and stakeholder here, why do I owe you any explanation or proof? Why do you feel entitled to them? I am merely acting within the constraints of the system as is my right, as you've implied he has. Why do rights only flow in a single direction for you?
I agree, community governance can be capricious. It's an attention economy. Who receives attention (reward or otherwise) at any given time can be capricious.
Because you, and your friends, are acting like god. Okay, let's just say HIVE Gods. lol
In case you haven't heard, in free and open societies, the burden of proof is the accuser's responsibility. You only get to be judge, jury and executioner without proof in China.
Think about it. Think about how you got to the point where you asked me that question.
Doesn't jibe at all with things we've talked about in the past. Great experience for you though - it's a very short and slippery distance from one side of the divide to the other. It also serves as a reflection point: now you can more easily put yourself in their shoes.
Cheers, and take care.
The proof has been shared. He has multiple accounts he upvotes himself with. Perhaps that's okay in your opinion, more power to you. Opinions here are shared with votes. If the ledger was weighted towards your opinion, obviously his posts would have a non-zero payout. You happen to fall into the minority. This is the system within which you exist. As I've said, the good news is it's voluntary. Would I be sad to see you go? Yes. On some level I'm disappointed to see @jrcornel go too.
As far as @jrcornel is concerned, if the message was received loud and clear and he stopped self-voting multiple alts, he would go back to not existing in my eyes. But my vote is what, 3 bucks.
As it stands HIVE is barely a single digit percent of my crypto portfolio and creates a disproportionate amount of drama. I think it's sad and pathetic for people with significant stake to go through so much effort to suck rewards away from the pool at the expense of everyone else.
!popcorn
...the entire ecossytem is one of alts and 'behind the scenes' shenanigans...
cornel might be one copping for it now, but to think that it doesn't go on - and on a very gig scale - is naive (I'm not calling you naive).
...if you think about it, the 'guaranteed' curation trials and circle jerking is, pretty much, the same as self upvoting...
I would say the system is broken but that would imply that it was , at one time, not broken.
No doubt true, but is the answer to do nothing?
Here's the result of doing nothing:
https://steempeak.com/@wisdomandjustice/posts
https://steempeak.com/@oldstone/posts
https://steempeak.com/@photoholic/posts
Perhaps that is so, but we must work with its constraints. There are alternatives with other constraints for people to choose from, or the constraints can be changed with enough support.
Community governance was the philosophy of the majority of stakeholders supporting the fork over from STEEM. It was in losing the ability to govern on STEEM that we have a HIVE blockchain at all.
No doubt true, but is the answer to do nothing?
The answers start with asking the right questions.
Perhaps that is so, but we must work with its constraints. There are alternatives with other constraints for people to choose from, or the constraints can be changed with enough support.
The continual problem that's never been addressed.
Those that can change anything have no (short term) incentive to do so.
The governance structure has not changed...
...Nor will it, not without real incentives to do so.
It was in losing the ability to govern on STEEM that we have a HIVE blockchain at all.
Are you sure that's the whole reason, or is that propaganda issued from people with their own (non altruistic) agenda's?
That isn't a criticism of it, btw - just trying to be objective - and not emotional - about it.
And this part - here - is me being critical about it...
Oligarchs are gonna oligarch. One part of the characteristics of an oligarchy, is maintaining the status quo.
Maintaining the status quo will be the number one reason for the demise of this platform.
They never endure.
*I'm only look at it from a social media perspective - not a financial product, tech development, etc..
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noice.
!popcorn
You clearly got lucky with that roll of the dice.
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Downvoting because he's selling Hive for Steem, that I find a bit extreme. Ok wounds are still fresh, could be triggering but hey you earned something you are free to do whatever you want with.
Now something I find despicable and that deserves downvoting (at least till he fixes the issue), is to multi-account and post like a madman pretending they are not the same person. Thus tricking people voting for you.
Plus voting yourself through your different accounts ? Come on auto circle-jerking ? There's no excuse.
Why would you need 2+ different accounts posting on the same platform if it was not to trick people upvotes ?
The guy is not even telling us he's wrong, he cares only about his milk.
As you said he's a big gambler and this one didn't work.
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Agreed, it's tacky, but not a good enough reason. It's the rest of it that burns me too!
It's quite normal to avoid autovotes or to post only to a specific community, but people are normally transparent about it.
It's sad because his content isn't bad, just the behavior. Some of the same people trying to defend him, would have no issue with erasing the rewards and chasing off someone less popular and with a smaller wallet who was behaving the same way.
Very true about preventing auto votes, as soon as it’s transparent it’s very useful for voters and votee.
Not his use case though :)
Again very true, content is good and I upvoted him several times !
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What behavior?
I've still to see a clear description of what he's done that deserves his lynching!
Much less seeing him given the opportunity to defend himself.
But first we need clear and documented accusations (i.e. evidence).
This is the most base of human nature at its best!
and i am free to downvote for that reason
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Absolutely ! Everyone can upvote/downvote for any reason they deem fit. It’s personal and part of our way of thinking.
I’m using this blockchain instead of some centralised shit as well because you are free to have your own thinking here.
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And you are unjustly harming someone in the process.
Especially since you have still not even provided one once of evidence to support your accusations.
This is HIVE's equivalent to the KKK!
You should all be ashamed of yourselves.
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Warned ya, flagged and muted
Sorry about that again. I got there late. Cheers.
You gotta stop with the tagging, please.
He used an alt on purpose without telling others it's his, it's the equivalent of a sybil attack on Hive and its voters. He was free to use alts like everyone else does and let it be public that they belong to him but he did this on purpose cause of greed and excessive selfvotes and votetrading which also goes against the EIP. Stop defending this, we need to move beyond that if we want Hive to excel at what it does and how it works.
You are the first to talk about this in a reasonable way (that I have seen anyway). Everyone else is just pulling up what I'd call trash, and talking trash, and as such, I'm sure you understand why I have reacted as though it were an unjustified lynching.
Could you expand on how he implemented his sybil attack on HIVE?
I think when things are taken this far, we need good, clear justification for what's been done, and I hope you agree.
This is a serious matter that affects us all, one which deserves tagging. I hope it's clear to everyone that I don't make a habit of tagging, and this is an exception made for an exceptional issue. (If you remember, I did it once with a survey regarding onsite witnesses versus hosted witnesses.) I hope you help to make that clear to everyone else on that list. TIA
It's simple, as a curator say I value the work of @tarazkp, his consistency, determination, content and loyalty to Hive and holding it over time. Unbeknownst to me if he was also you @cryptographic he would be at times taking 2 of my upvotes instead of the 1 I wanted to give him. Now think about this at a bigger scale, you both voting on each other constantly, votetrading with others to always autovote your and taraz' posts and suddenly there's no votes for other accounts = shitty distribution = proof of stake fails = cartel voting that's been plagueing EOS BP's for years.
Now look at @taskmaster4450 he has a known alt by almost the same name, he still gets rewarded handsomely on both and everyone is aware of it, he also puts in the work and everyone is fine with it. Had jrcornel done that there wouldn't have been a problem, but the freedom of Hive that allows for anyone, anonymous or not, to earn Hive is expected to be upfront about his uniqueness of a persona or else it'll count as a sybil attack where he's not just tricking other users to gain more for himself, but curators and other authors to earn less as well.
This makes sense, thank you for explaining 👍
You're a first rate chump. I'm guessing. Your age? Since you've been around for a few years, figure you had to be as least 12 when you started . . .
and you'll be dead by the time inflation of hive is reduced 😂
You surpass yourself. Glad you understand it though. Earth to acidyo, earth to acidyo, anyone home?
ahhhh things get more clear now, self upvote with alt + copy and paste content (not exclusive), now I understand.
I thought first is some kind of personal vendetta thing :) like flagwars from the past.
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autovote ROI + APR and regular trending posts through votetrading (effectively 10x selfvotes + front-runners and blind voters and some genuine ones) is not enough for some people.
that's real leeching without any shame.
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and when people finally catch them they start pointing fingers that others were also doing it and getting their votetrading partners to defend them as if their life depends on it.
What's funny is he instantly stopped posting his high demand content when the downvotes started and both of them started powering down. Instead of like, I don't know, apologizing for having milked the rewardpool for years, only looked out for themselves and ridden on the backs of the people putting the community first before profits that has helped their greedy stake reach a higher price. 🤷♂
Oh well, glad it's over, more rewards for other people who won't go down the same greedy route!
Besides the shady vote trading alt account thing, I never liked multichain copy and paste content. Some kind of exclusive content is the only thing worth being rewarded IMO.
Otherwise, it is a bit pointless to reward copy and paste content.
I can assure you that with mental reasoning capacity like yours, you're going nowhere fast. Like I said before, you'd be best advised to zip it and stick with the console in your parents' basement (the games, that is - I know they won't let you near the code anymore, so yeah, keep it dumb and simple . . . oh, and load up on the NFTs, you're a great greater fool too).
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Uh, actually I did apologize. I didn't ask anyone to do anything for me and don't have vote trading partners. It's funny that when you have people that you vote and they upvote you (that you talk to), they are called friends, but when anyone else does it, it's called vote trading partners. The hypocrisy continues to know no bounds with you and yours. Not everyone has the luxury of huge gifted delegations that they upvote their friends with and sell the HIVE they earn along the way.
Yeah and when I didn't have these delegations I still didn't try and be a greedy bastard. There's a difference between voting manually and remembering your friends than placing autovotes on each other so it effectively becomes 10x self-votes and rendering the tax threshold useless. The fact you stopped posting right after downvotes and keep trying to make it sound like what you did isn't as bad as it is really shows your priorities. Not like you've ever really contributed to this platform in any other meaningful way than spinning articles and looking out for yourself.
I've literally bought tens of thousands of dollars worth of this coin with my outside money, brought a dozen friends to this platform, most of which have also invested tens of thousands of dollars of their own money. Have you even put one dollar into this? There are many ways of supporting. Regarding posting, many on here have made it abundantly clear that I am no longer welcome.
Cool story, doesn't mean you can abuse the rewardpool with sybil attacks and tricking other stakeholders. It's actually pretty gross the lengths you've gone to earn more when you should be a role model to others considering what these chains have given you over the years and try to contribute some back, but nah, let's power down and quit when the scheme comes to light, huh? Disgusting, deep down you know what you're doing or you're just another sociopath we got plenty of in these early adopter days.
But but I thought it was all about post quality?! If a post is good enough to vote why does the author attached to it matter?! Literally the exact argument you have made for years...
You think your posts are quality? You're as replaceable as anyone. Hive doesn't need another kingscrown who's not as dumb and see-through in his actions but still in the long run obvious hence me never really upvoting your content. I'd rather invest in someone who contributes in other ways to the ecosystem than just spin articles in a meaningful way, especially with your earnings just rewriting crypto news doesn't cut it. It's been many times I've looked at your content after just having read something similar on r/cryptocurrency or twitter. There will be plenty of new people that will replace you and I'm not someone to care if they invest thousands of dollars or not, rather not if that means they think that makes it okay to try and gain an advantage over others in the post reward pool. Goodbye.
I never said anything about myself, I was making a point referencing people upvoting what they like. I am not defending anything at this point, I am simply making the point that you, among several others, have argued for proof of brain to reign supreme and the post quality should be the only thing that matters to a voter. It shouldn't matter who it was written by or how many posts they wrote etc, the post itself should be judged by the voters. Again, not defending anything, I am just making a point that it's ironic how that has been argued for so long and then also now the point is argued that people must disclose any alt account that may also post from, my point is that the two arguments are incongruent. Anyways I literally don't/didn't want to leave on bad terms. I am honestly truly sorry if what I did has hurt or upset people. That was never my intent. I honestly considered HIVE my home and was hoping to be a part of it for a long time to come as I do think it will eventually have many many users and use cases. Especially when popular games etc start being built on it.
Well you must understand that stakeholders and others feel betrayed and disgusted by your greed to trick many into voting not just one of your accounts but two. At the same time you clearly aren't as dumb as others to understand the importance of people being up front about their accounts on a platform that literally gives others the freedom to remain anonymous and be rewarded not just for their content but also for their contributions which has a big spectrum. I may have said content first some time ago but that has clearly changed over time. We all know how curation is flawed even here on Hive which compared to Steem looks like utopia in that regard and how some consistent authors keep earning way more than others and delegations are not always given to the right people to incentivize a healthy platform over ROI. So yeah, I don't just hate greed in general and have done so in forever but it's not just authors that after the years of 75% rewardpool cut have been the biggest abusers of the pool but now it's also curators who stack their votes on popular authors like you.
Your buddy cryptographic really didn't help me trying to look at this case from a neutral perspective and seeing you thank him for supporting you in this thread didn't help you either, so I apologize for my tone but I don't apologize for the way you've been treated recently cause you should've known better not to do what you've done especially considering I'm sure you do quite well in the crypto space in general with trading that you still have the audacity to maximize in any way you can here I find pretty disturbing. When and if Hive becomes the next big thing and everyone is here it will surely not be for the people who didn't give a fuck to try and spread their votes around to raise retention and a healthy distribution. Thankfully Hive is bigger than most of us here today and the shitty actions of some are not going to affect it much, but it still shouldn't be okay and welcomed to do so. Some people use anonymity for their security and to be able to say what they want without repercussions or threats, others use it as a mantle to behave like they want, seems you chose the latter. I like to have my actions and history on this chain speak for myself rather than my words.
He wasn't the first (not even among "Steem Guild" members) and he won't be the last, sadly. Imagine doing that regularly with Ned's 5M HP voting power in an n2 system.
remember when the current diminishing vote strength on posts that are 12 hours from payout was implemented mainly cause of gavvet abusing ned's keys?
Yes. And I still have screen shots of that stuff.
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So, stop with any powerdowns, and start with 'good' original content?
The KKK burned people's houses and murdered people based on their skin color
How in the world does that compare to getting profit from blogging on Hive? You are seriously messed up
The degree of lynching is different, to be sure, as is the target - extremely astute of you - however, the unjustified mob attitude is the same - somehow that small detail escapes you. Overall score: Flunk.
Lynching requires violence. How does me not paying some rando with an inflated sense of entitlement mean I'm committing violence against them?
penis
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K man please stop fucking tagging me please.
You're going to end up collateral damage in this needless horse shit if you keep ta
I also disagree with that point if the content is not exclusive. It always has the leecher aura :)
#penistags
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@edicted I miss a comment from your leading man in this comment string.
For me the evidence giving by people that work to let hive thrive is here , multiple times, that is at least odd.
If you aren’t a drama person and didn’t know history and read all that’s been said what would you have done.
Honestly is still always the best policy
This reminds me of the behavior of a certain other politics themed whale. Why does it always have to be the total exorcism with downvotes to zero? Why not just trim 50% if you think it is overvalued? I think non-radical downvoting might even help the hive ecosystem, but why does it always have to be live the juicy live or get killed.
Personally I just use Steem for different things. I shitpost there to not alienate the Lions on Leo and I got a few german friends there so it is mostly german. I was not part of the war, I just saw the aftermath but hive didn't gave me any good reason to sell my steem other than emotions. I did actually buy a little hive and LEO though.
I just grab popcorn and some stick bread to roast over the fires of this war. It is quite nostalgic to see such a shit show.
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And to think that he is consistently one of the highest quality content posters on HIVE!
And he never posts more than 2 a day. And they are always high quality posts, that is if you want to be on top of what is happening in crypto finance . . .
And if he's also posting on Discuss, or Medium, or wherever, are these kind people going to have a fit over that too?
This is simply mind boggling to see!
Eh.. Lets say you ran a bakery and you have a box of 12 muffins sitting there for people coming in to try the muffins. I come in every day and grab a muffin, eat the thing, then proceed to go across the street and purchase a muffin .
Are my actions in this hypothetical muffin situation going to affect you as the bakery owner?
Of course it would. I'm taking value out of your pocket via the free muffin then spending elsewhere .
Taking value from you and moving it to a competitor.
The steem chain is the muffin shop across the street profiting on HIve's free muffin in the examples above.
This is how I believe atleast some of the community sort of sees the situation.
The problem is that in this case nobody is taking anything from anybody. We're all "mining" from the same pool under the same PRO-RATED rules. But when someone big does it better, they get lynched using free downvotes. The attackers feel better as their jealous anger is momentarily relieved, but ultimately it's food today and famine tomorrow . . . and they won't even realize it when they're starving.
Good luck finding heaving hitting bloggers in that environment! Not to mention people with money who want to invest!
If you're getting paid something from the reward pool here on HIVE in nearly all instances that means everyone else would be most likely making "less" to accommodate this..
To state that someone taking in network inflation in the form of HIVE/HBD payouts for shitposting, or getting HP for running a witness isn't "earning" (or, you know, removing) anything from the network and thus with almost pure certainty other users is a longwinded fallacy. I'm unfamiliar with the advanced mental gymnastics of logic required to make the reality of what was stated above converge on any other outcome.
For example... An individual would have to be running some seriously deluded perceptual cherry picking to see someone filling up a bottle / container with water from a stream and then adamantly claim that the individual they'd just witnessed had not taken anything... Even when it's 100% quantifiably provable there is less overall volume of water in the original source, as what was captured in the container was removed from the source..
Right?
Truth be told.. And albeit an "unpopular" opinion... Honestly HIVE doesn't need more bloggers, the whole paying out inflation for shitposts is something that should be served from a second layer (LEO is a peng example of this) as from my study over 5 years of being involved with this system has concluded that basically all the content produced on HIVE is trash. I'm trying not to come off as brash but let's collectively face it. Most content here is shit. We don't need more people coming here and contributing basically tasteless word soup to end up rewarded for it and then to allow them make off with something of actual value for something that majority of the time produced no actual value for the network.
Sure, not EVERY post is shit, the odd art post might be unique or someone's vacation photos are entertaining for about three quarters of a second but when you start looking at the actual metrics of users actually reading the shitposts here, basically nobody is actually reading most these posts, and frankly no one in their right mind has time in the day to wade through the fucking septic field that is HIVE's daily created content.
Note that this isn't directed at any one user here on HIVE. Plenty of you write posts I'm sure the odd person reads but for the most part the content quality and subject matter covered by bloggers here is trash. Majority of it going basically unread, auto-voted far beyond any sense of it's true value (hint: not often > 0) and serves only as a landing strip for rampant circle jerk voting clicks to occur.
No one is lynching anyone with downvotes, no one is entitled to fucking anything, including any perceived earned value that may have been a brief state in a decentralized database for a few block iterations.. God the fucking drama that supposedly fully grown ass men devolve into when a flag gets placed is downright comical.
I've flipped shit too getting flag in the past.. but generally getting fucking flag bombed is a feedback mechanism from one or many users of the community.. If you're getting flagged repeatedly, chances are you fucked up or are conducting yourself in a way in which the person on the other end could justify going "You know what? Fuck that guy.".
Also take note of this... Frankly if you're creating content and posting it multiple times in multiple places it's not because you really want people to see your totally groundbreaking writing that will surely end up remembered as one of the great classical texts of our age... It's because the shitposter is being opportunistic while trying to maximize their profit vs time spent creating the generally garbage string of words they commonly refer to as posts. It stands to be universally realized that as the supermajority of blog posts are essentially absolutely needless fucking drivel that people use to justify having their buddies bukkake circle jerk upvote it.
Frankly I don't give a fuck about blogging here on HIVE as the whole distribution model has been all but entirely proven to create unfavourable constant downwards price pressure do to people TAKING value from the site with their content, and certainly not actually providing anything of any value to anyone (minus the odd fringe case).
Honestly will not shed a tear when we're a few hardforks down the road and the witness committee finally comes to super majority vote that HIVE and HBD as blogging rewards be removed entirely and moved onto competent side communities. HIVE should be a utility token with as limited as inflation as possible to not saturate and devalue the token against it's market cap.
Tired of getting fucking tagged in mass lists by people and their buddies who honestly think they're entitled to receive compensation in the form of HIVE / HBD to then go ahead and sell it to increase the market cap of the chain we literally had to fork away from in an emergency situation to prevent further theft from Sun Yuchen.
Honestly if you don't like getting flagged for being viewed as a greedy leech profiteer contributing nothing of any true intrinsic value, yet acting as if you're entitled to everything, Fuck off. Go fill blurt or steem with your garbage ass content and come back later when you're ready to actually fucking contribute to the community instead of honestly believing you're doing the chain a great service posting here when in reality you're just wasting fucking disk space on my and all the witness nodes SSDs and leeching the market cap.
/me drops mic
Don't fucking @ me.
Nobody in their right fucking mind would invest in something where the main selling feature is endless garbage content.. Honestly it would be trivial to train some machine learning algorythms and just have them post, the difference would basically be unnoticable, because nobody basically reads these fucking needless stupid ass trash posts... People don't invest into HIVE because they think blogging is the new crack or that this distribution model is going to be the next craze.. They invest because they see a 3 second blockchain with basically no sending fees and a quite well built suite of developer libraries. That is the appeal here, certainly not the inflation sourced rewards that create unrelenting sell pressure on the market while offering the chain NOTHING of actual value in return.
I know the standard rebuttal or magic words that justified all this ridiculous rewarding of what is essentially waste of storage space was "the content has value"..... No Ned, it's been proven over the past 5 years that nearly all of the content here and on the prior chain is garbage nobody gives a shit about that barely gets read when compared to a site that has "good content" that people actually read and that actually generates revenue (lookin at you reddit).
No sweetie, your post by default has no value here because its basically showing a value more in line with the content's true value. Hate to break it to ya, but majority of the time your post is something nobody gives a shit about and it really fucking DOES NOT, in well over 98% of the cases here, provide the network anything of any actual value.
Honestly the term heavy hitting blogger made me physically wretch.. Your buddies content is mediocre at best and the fact he's pasting the exact same fucking article (basically) spanning 5 platforms isn't a sign of success but rather a quite clear message that fundementals and moral fibre aren't being considered at all in favour of greed fueled FOMO of perhaps posting to one chain or maybe two (aka not a competing chain, you fucking knob) and maybe making a few bucks less but not coming off as some self righteous shitpost lord.
"Oh no I got flagged because I'm blindly shitposting a bunch of places trying to earn some crypto"
How about instead of writing shitposts you get involved with a project helping to make the ecosystem better and actually fucking earn the payouts on the shitposts by providing value to the network and everyone on it.
we are mining by giving other people votes and for that action we get part of the mined coin. and no one can stop him from mining. he just needs to vote on other people. but when you vote for other people then half of that goes to other people...
i think i don't even know who he is, not sure do i even care, but i see he was in the top of rewards for a while now.
and he still feels the need to vote on his own comments before payouts, i don't really feel sorry.
Your thinking, which you are not alone in - in fact, I think we can put you in the majority, so be consoled if that makes you feel good - is exactly what we can say is the mentality of a miserable leech, common in people who have never worked a day in their lives.
It's a crab bucket, and so described in the original steem whitepaper.
It is what is, and it will be what 'the community' makes of it.
If you don't like 'the consensus', change it.
Downvoting needs to be eliminated, like yesterday, if HIVE wants to have any chance of surviving, long term, that is. First we'll get a pump to get out on though . . . I'm not sticking around to see what the nitwits at the top do.
Downvotes are a thing for a reason set forth in the whitepaper.
If you choose to go, that is on you.
More cheap hive for everyone else.
What do you demonstrate when you take as unchangeable what is changeable? Being in a whitepaper is not set in stone, nor would anyone suggest that it should stay that way just because it's in a whitepaper. Everything we do always starts out as less than we want, and we do it with expectations of changing things for the better. EVERYTHING.
Once you see that change in any particular is very unlikely, you modify your decision making.
But that's what really sets you apart.
Sorry.
Oh, at a price I guess. But I'm in no hurry. Let me know if you want to bid. 😜
Clearly, imo, this is an opportunity for the rules to change us.
Just because you don't the esoteric, doesn't mean none of us do.
If we change all the rules to suit ourselves, what would we be left with?
Nobody wants to play that game, let me assure you.
HIVE only survives as a real viable social media if the negative incentives are eliminated. You can't reward negative behavior and expect good things to happen.
We just saw another example, which doesn't seem like that big of deal in the grand scheme of things, but as a lesson in what negative rewarding leads to, it was classic.
To each his/her own, but to play the social media game, you've at least got to get the basic rules right.
Said another way, only a fool tries to reinvent the wheel. ;-)
Cheers
Black or White.
I think we will take our chances.
You are welcome to stay if you create original content you'd like to share with us.
After browsing over all this shit and getting tagged twice in this comment clusterfuck below it seems like the unpopular opinion here should probably be stated. Got nothing against jcornel, certainly won't flag him.. But I'd sure as hell prefer he go do this on blurt and not take from the HIVE market cap to add to the steem market cap.
I'm not convinced johndoe is anything other than an alt account, the styles are both pretty similar despite what JR says on his JR discord private account.
The problem is he's got no way of proving it.
I never thought his content was that interesting TBH, more relentless - he's one of the few people i've muted because I've long thought he's over rewarded and didn't need to keep seeing it.
The tribalism does feel a bit odd in this age of cross-chain compatibility - but the whole Steem thing is deeply problematic in particular - given that posting to that chain is legitimising a centralised entity under the control of someone who has proved themselves to be a malicious actor.
My view is that anyone supporting that chain (NB I do buy the JD is his alt account (JC, JD, even the initials are similar) is undermining the security of this chain by giving more money and power to one of the primary threats to it - namely Justin Sun, which makes 'nuking' their rewards on here legit.
I do take your point about lack of dialogue, there is a distressing lack of that, but I think JC hit that PD button a bit too fast.
Let's not forget that it's only rewards we are talking about here - and he's clearly doing OK for himself. He could easily just carry on posting and earn a decent amount from curation.
Also, an upside to all this - now the Drama has started that's as clear a sign as any that Hive moon is just around the corner!
As I've said to you before. I'm not selling HIVE/LEO to buy STEEM. I've been powering it up for many months. I was moving steem from jrcornel to jondoe and moving hive from jondoe to jrcornel via Bittrex. If you look at the transfer sizes it clearly shows I was not dumping HIVE and LEO for STEEM. Yes JD is my alt account and perhaps I should have disclosed that it was mine long ago, though I have seen numerous people not disclose alt accounts, I didn't know that was a requirement like some are claiming. Sportsncoffee is absolutely not one of my accounts for the record.
I understand you, it's just painful to see the cross posting on Steem, especially with the size of your earnings, that's still a raw memory!
I never paid any attention of the Sportsncoffee thing btw, that's news to me.
Yea I understand that to a degree. Though where do people think the value from that was ultimately going to flow? HIVE was my home...
Well you could always just post exclusively to Hive and see what happens, I understand it might not be that great to be 'steered' into doing this (that might be a euphemistic way of putting it) but I doubt people on here will hodl grudges like they do Hive. I'm certainly not that way inclined.
I'm the first one to hold my hands up and say i've got a slightly retarded emotional investment in this place and distrust now of all things Steem.
If content would be exclusive here, I think it would value Hive more. From the points, people are here to read content from fav authors.
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I can't believe you have almost a half million STEEM. A token on an illegitimate, centralized stolen network run by scumbags and thieves. Scumbags and thieves that stole millions of dollars worth of token from the people that actually built it. What the fuck are you thinking?
!popcorn
https://twitter.com/joshpitt888/status/1368203760909058054
They're just using top-down global thinking. No need for evidence and logic to be combined and arrive at a conclusion. Just make something up, and if it seems plausible to you, then it's an intelligent conclusion. If one of the things you make up every now and again comes true, then that is justification that imagination is just as good and evidence and logic. No need to hate on these top-down global thinkers
I haven't forgotten about you, love.
The crypto verse is a big tent. Plenty of room for all kinds of projects. I'm more of a "I mind my business, you mind yours" kind of guy so no hate from me.
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Holy shit! I didn't realize SBD was so high! I completely disregarded it after finding out what happened when Hive was born. I'm gonna go post some shit over there right now and bring it over here!!
I've been thinking about doing the same but... woof!
Hive is my home. And if there’s something like this that I can do to make my home richer, I’m going to do it.
Pretty much how I had been looking at it as well...
I cannot in good conscience login to that centralized and censored scam masquerading as STEEM. Do not do this. Sell what you have and come over, but don't post on there. You cannot trust that chain any longer. Consensus broke, we had to fork it. Don't look back.
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I don’t think I even really have anything over there. I was just gonna make what I can off the posts and then sell it for hive. What’s funny is I didn’t know about the takeover until after it happened, and then I went to steemit one day to take what I had out of it not realizing that it at all been fork-copied to hive before I did it. So to find the hive I had in my hive wallet was a pleasant surprise when I finally discovered it. I mean, I suppose I kind of understand why some people are upset, but I guess I just don’t directly feel any real betrayal. Those kind of feelings don’t come up until you start doing something like messing with my family. In fact, I kind of see siphoning crypto out of there and bringing it over here like a middle finger to steemit, which I guess is partly motivating me to want to do it.
it is like always, Hive has the personal flag problem.
Hive needs to end up with gov/gas token after this long spreading period and Smts need to replace rewards.
Otherwise, we will see stuff like this again more often.
I can agree if the content is not exclusive here and some copy and paste, there is a disagreement. But as long content has no advertisement revenue, it's always meh...
I think exclusive content is more worth, simply because it adds a reason to be here if I really like an author.
Flag to 0 sucks. So yeah random stuff.
Gov token + smts are the solutions. We had long enough a spreading period. The % from author/curation rewards can after smts go to some halving event with RC increase. Because pools would follow also after smts or before.
What do you think about this? Because the current system allows it.
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Silly Protoss! Fear the Swarm! :D
Degen protoss a click grandmaster moves right? :D 2 forcefields = apm spike (20 apm to 25 apm).
Everyone that understands this, welcome nerd :D
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By cross posting your original content to other domains, you're taking away value from LeoFinance.
Way too many people do it and its good to see that FINALLY some of our whales are taking a stand to let people know it's not acceptable.
Don't duplicate content.
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Not sure if that's true but I'll seriously consider it.
For example, what if I take the rewards I make on Steem and pump that into LEO?
That can't be a net loss.
My argument here has always had nothing to do with the token value.
Reward milking and dumping is a whole other issue which I know is the primary reason for this little flag war.
I'm instead coming at it from purely a unique content point of view.
Duplicate content, especially posted on a domain that Google sees as more authoritative (The Steemit domain over the LeoFinance domain for example) is not a good thing for us.
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After reading all comments thanks @edicted :D was really !popcorn :)
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I guess I still don't really see the problem here. It seems like he's making steem to convert and bring over to Hive. I've read many of the comments here explaining that it's a no-no, but I'm still not clicking with why it's bad. What am I missing?
I read with interest
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Hi @edicted
We've decided to resteem and upvote this post to show our support to @jrcornel
It's very unfortunate what is happening to this user.
@project.hope team
Dear @edicted
It's hard not to agree with your opening statemet: "Haters gonna hate!"
I've experienced it several times before for my neutral view towards Steemit and i can relate to current situation. It's sad to see someone as reputable as @jrcornel is to become a victim of such a huge unjustice.
Resteemed already to give your post some extra exposure.
Have a great sunday ahead of you,
Yours, Piotr
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Are you smoking crack?
Don't mind me. Hey, you're good. You in like Flynn man. Good job. HIVE standards all the way! Love it. Keep it up! Hey, are you on Discord yet? Get over there ASAP. They've got a party planned for you.
on the bright side, this is a great way to get a LEO party started where people get to find out a bit more about the community. Sometimes more than they wanted. But on the Dark side... GANK here simply has hijacked free will... by suggesting something SOO stoopid and then having people add credibility to his Stoopid by thinking they have to respond to IT... HIM... whatever the fack it is... funkin lives in L.A. from what I can see so maybe it should be harassed simply because I hate L.A?
Look... The GANK here is providing a useful service to TAG and Harass a bunch of folk who would probably like to see something conclusive out of this JackAssery... For me, I'm happy to come on a phone call assisted Discord AMA to provide the good folk of the LEO community any confirmations they may require.
Since I wrote THE Cryptographic Novel on STEEM several years back, and since your @cryptographic account is YOU, maybe we could clear up parts of this confusion for the most cognitively challenged... like GANK and others?
For the record I own several accounts on this chain... several.
I own two, the other is totally dormant.
I don't need more than one. I've always come right out and said it: I upvote my own work because I think it deserves it! I don't hide behind anything, and much less nonsensical rationalizations. I upvote who I damned well please with 100% upvotes on posts, and 50% on comments (usually) even though it makes no financial sense at all since the rewards curve punishes voting comments and encourages 'piling on' the heavier upvoted posts (which flies in the face of common sense in a social media where people just want to 'engage' in the comments with friends i.e., like thinkers). It's that simple, just having a bit of fun and spreading the wealth among friends (is anyone really serious when they talk about going out and curating "quality content" when they're really voting on recipes and sunsets?). What's with these people who have such a complex that they think they shouldn't self-vote?
Lots of 'issues' here on HIVE, and too many depend on undependable people, IMO, who've got the world upside down, again, IMO. And when that lack of intelligence comes with a total lack of decency and social justice, you find that you don't even have a base to work with.
Your description is accurate, but so predictable that it's boring - a total waste of time. The world has been reduced to memes. Funny, to think about it, it's about the only thing I'm posting right now. 😜
And I could give a rat's ass who has what accounts or how many they have or what they are doing with them.
It takes all types to make the world go round, but the 'leaders' here have yet to discover that terribly frightening reality. 😬
And they won't ever change. The die is cast. The HIVE and it's extremities you see today is the HIVE you'll see in 5 years, if it's still around . . .
But don't let me rain on your parade. Keep on having fun here. I'll be following along, just for fun too, and I might even surprise you with a meme or two from time to time. Seriously. 😎
And the more off topic, the better, right? 🤣 🤣 🤣
I know you'll agree that there's nothing more appropriate!
Edit: provoking paranoia is fun, I mean, it can be funny, often hilarious, but you've got to be mean, and I try to keep a lid on the dark side. Mercy tends to win out in my case.
Lemme edit something here between you and me...
I never enjoy hearing that my work here is taken as meaningless memetic trades withe the hope of spectacle cash.
You should know that I even feel that my comments are very valuable and not just to toast jokes...
I actually get a lot of Shit done here Bruv and rewards curves be damned... this network effect is serios business to me... S E R I O U S
I was hoping you wouldn't misunderstand. Suffice it to say that you are one of the few I would invite over to a barbecue . . . even if we don't understand each other half the time! :D
Edit: Unless, that is, you really do have several accounts that you use to game the system, in which case, and I'm sure you'll agree, you'd be better left in your own playroom where you'd be happiest. (If that were your mindset, you probably wouldn't enjoy the barbecue anyway. Logical.)
If you want to keep the memories good, stop talking to me on this platform. I've left this platform, and even though good manners propel me to answer, I detest having to repeat myself, so if you insist and I don't answer, be sure that I haven't answered to be rude, rather it means that you already have the answer in my timeline. Rest assured, it's all there.
I have nothing more to add on the matter.
Fine...
Call me if you want answers.
720 326 4843.
I'm an open public author who prefers to use
HIVE over other networks.
I use it like a real user... Not to Botify theft.
The other accounts I have were made and passed on to others or are barely used. GANK started this Faggotry...
I'm only making the best of it usng MY Blockchain.
Kind regards.
yep he's definitely farming with me. We be farmers from way back. back in that old cotton field back home.
wtf? I am a regular user. How did I end up on this list? For all the time I have not withdrawn my tokens! :)
We are all @jrcornel.
I've always valued @jrcornel 's posts! People are being childish. Hive is supposed to be a place where people are tolerant of all people...
Great article, so I upvoted it... I am very disappointed that a lot of the people I respected here, like @enforcer48 who I used to respect, going after @cryptographic and accusing him of being an alt-account of @jrcornel. To top it all off, @frankbacon and myself got sucked into this mess, until we verified that we are not the same identity as those people.
The ironic thing about the people doing the accusing is that they criticize Steemit for being too centralized, and rightfully so, but are acting like the same kind of dictators that Justin Sun is.
irony? or psyops?
Never once did I ever accuse him of being an alt.
Congratulations on not being able to read.
Are we still acting like children attacking users because they are also using the competition platform?
Really, haven't people realized how stupid that is?
Is like owning a grocery store and assaulting your costumer just because he also bought stuff on the shop next door...
Meanwhile, the competition is creating new ways to attract users instead of pushing them away...
I guess Hive is never gonna change....
And that is why eventually it will fail.
DUDE you were so wrong about dumping STEEM, enough already! Don't tell others why to do, merely kindly suggest. I listened to all you HIVBE freaks and did dump a lot of my steem, and deeply regretted it after I saw steem continue to outperform HIVE. Now it's time got you to see the HIVE guys stop damping and beat steem once and for all to vindicate your call! Hurry, buy buy buy HIVE! DUMP your STEEM! HAHA, and DUMP your LEO too, it's junk, and also dump your BNB and VCUB because it is going down. How do u like that.