Blocktrades has 14 devs? Tangent Regulation Rant.
https://peakd.com/hive-139531/@simplegame/re-blocktrades-ql3nva
In a previous post of mine, the one about HF25, @blocktrades left a note implying they had at least 14 devs working on Hive. I decided to ask the more direct question on one of their latest posts.
Obviously 35 devs in an atmosphere like this is a massive accomplishment. Almost sounds too good to be true. I'm not the only one that thinks so.
For those of you who don't know this gem, he's the creator of dTube. A self-important emotionally damaged narcissist with major delusions of persecution and grandeur. I like him.
"Pardon me if I don't shake hands."
So anyway yeah there's a reason why he's got a negative reputation, not that our reputation system is valid in any sense of the word, but you get the idea. But he brings up a good point: you shouldn't just believe what you are told, especially from those in high positions of power.
If I recall correctly @lordbutterfly did a report on his new dTube token. He's doing some interesting things with the tokenomics... check it out: dtube-review-an-interesting-twist-on-the-steem-hive-concept
Would it really have been such a stretch to just, you know, ask for evidence? I guess so. Personally I will not ask for such evidence because I'm already on record as not caring. Even if Hive had no core development for the next ten years and we were "dead in the water", we'd still be fine. The functionality we have today is more than enough for builders to connect to the core and tap into this community and associated high-grade security.
Regulation? Really?
And then he goes on to talk about "regulation", undermining his entire position. These are SELF-REGULATING governance systems. There will be no regulations. We are the country. Hive is the country that makes its own laws. We are a sovereign nation. This is exactly how I was able to stand on the foundation that both the Hive fork and the subsequent Steem fork were not theft.
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Remember when @Blocktrades explained how a fork is not theft and you ate that shit up like it was candy?
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Again, we regulate ourselves, that's the entire point. To say that the laws of some other nation are going to govern Hive shows a complete lack understanding as to where this is going. Be frustrated all you want about how greed ruins everything; being mad doesn't solve anything.
This all takes time. If you think bad actors are in control of too much Hive and they are dumping their bags... then so be it. Coins can only be dumped once, and then that stake goes into the bags of someone more trustworthy. That's how this works. Too much crying. Too many thirsty whiners living in absolute scarcity instead of abundance.
At a certain point, scarcity is just a state of mind, just ask the millionaires and billionaires who, no matter how much they have, never seem to have enough. Even a billionaire can live in scarcity mindset. In fact, the only way to become a billionaire is to do just that, ironically enough.
What we are trying to do here is build strong communities, not strong individuals that sap all the gains they can from the community like the legacy economy. Yeah, sometime the leeches move on in and sell their souls for a quick buck, but given time this space will evolve into something much greater than that, and those who've shown their true colors as the enemy will not be given any kind of power in the new world. Perhaps that's just my idealist take that will never see the light, who knows.
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Heimdanger is an interesting individual. He is obviously a skilled developer and as was pointed out, they are doing some interesting things with their token.
There is obviously bad blood there so it is hard to know who is right versus who is not.
You provided good and fair insight. It is true, where does the regulation aspect come into play with the discussion?
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Well it takes time to weed off the leeches and while some of them might be proving too smart and hanging on maybe waiting for Favourite prices, I think we're in a long stretch and these it might take time to eventually get hive rid of people who don't feel trustworthy enough to build with it. A project is only as good as people who put effort to build it. A project isn't just automatically good that way and Leo is a testament.
As for regulations I think it'll just be something that lingers for a long time without it actually taking place or happening due to a lot of unlikely parameters that Makes regulations impossible, at least not in the rest part of the world.
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Whatever the number is, they’re cranking out code faster and better than Stinc ever did.
For what it’s worth, I met @blocktrades (Dan Notestein) in Bangkok, and he struck me as a stand-up guy.
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This is what most people say in my experience so far.
I'd say he's got a lot more reputation than the entities attacking him.
I met him in Poland and he seems like a decent guy with a surprising amount of enthusiasm in him and what I liked best, is that he is still curious and exploring passions.
I met heimindanger there too. I won't add my impressions on chain.
The new world is just the old world's stamp of approval. Anything in between is just cowboy's having fun until the sheriff's consolidate their power. Nothing is new under the sun; even in crypto.
Bold statement, considering the ideals of decentralization and the disruption to power it's designed to create. Of course, your position is a safe one to take. What happens if you're wrong? Everyone wins? Oh no! What a tragedy, lol.
Unfortunately I'm just a pessimist. World history has generally sucked. Crypto isn't going to make the past smell any better then what the fuck-tards in charge have done with this earth. Decentralization is great and I love the idea of it; but you mentioned greed and power. There's people just born that way and they will suck on anyone or anything's teet until they consolidate power and take from others to keep themselves propped up.
I would rather you be right (for the record)
There's also another aspect to it that a lot of people forget about. If you want to be a professional athlete then you have to cheat. You must use performance enhancing drugs because "everyone is doing it" and if you don't you're at a supreme disadvantage.
The economy is the same way. There are plenty of people out there who would very much like to not choose the greedy-as-fuck option, but they feel like they can't do it because again, that would put them at a huge disadvantage.
The systems we are trying to build on flat architecture have an emphasis on reputation. Good acting can now be monetized, allowing the entire system to change.
I am hearing and listening to what you are saying. It's a worthy cause and belief system. I just know from my own family history that you can have your father shot in front of you, your belongings stripped, and made to work in a camp until you die.
That my friend is my reminder that those same bastards who do these terrible things won't sit back and let control get out of their control. Perhaps I'm just in a fucking bad mood because my teenage kids were just told they cannot play outdoor hockey.. for their.. PROTECTION.
This next decade will be riddled with extreme strife. I even want to create a system that makes it x100 times easier to memorize that 12 word seed phrase so crypto can't be stripped from individuals.
That being said the ways of the old world are coming to an end. The powers that be have always maintained that power by cutting off the heads of their opponents. Crypto has no head, and abundance technology can't be contained without making serious concessions.
I could use the optimism.. I truly do. Desperate pieces of shit do desperate things. They erode your 'rights' for their protection. Either way I'll be part of any movement that tries to preserve liberty.
The way to do this securely is better hardware personal use, and better/more user friendly versions of it.
I can think of something cool: You log into HIVE or LEO etc and just use a hardware like a YubiKey, just press a button and you're done. No remembering.
In fact, I believe all the pieces are already in place for something like that.
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Nicely stated.
I especially liked:
But this just might make it a tie.
Great read!
But if that dumper has access to an exclusive faucet then that's a very lucrative dump.
https://twitter.com/PowerGames8/status/1337136663907209223
Gotta remember blocktrades has more work than just Hive. 35 people seems reasonable considering that.
Most don't know what he actually does and how long he has been doing it for.
As long Hive is in a long run better than steem all is fine. I think @blocktrades does a good job on hive. Code comes fast, let's see what future updates bring.
What I would like to see is more programmers are paid from DAO + workingtable. So things can be worked on besides of Blocktrades work. The only thing it should get more monitored by the big stakeholders, not like the netuso one.
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I'm not completely familiar on the matter, but I will say from previously meeting @blocktrades at SF1 & SF2, he is a stand up person and we wouldn't even be here without his participation back to the early basement days and then when I got apart of the team and we got upgraded above a hardware store! :)
With that said, I do believe when we look at LEO there is a great deal of transparency with the developments. There is a great public face to the developments, LEO even has a face to the leader. People like those sort of things when they are investing.
HIVE on the other hand is not lead by one person/or tight group like LEO. Not that is a bad thing, it just is "what it is".
I actually have no issues that one doesn't want to be a public face, maybe a suggestion is that someone or a small group should step up to be the face -- this would in my mind put a great new direction. If you look at LEO they have nailed this, and there is some great truth in this.
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I have no idea about that.
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This post is low-key brown nosing into blocktrade's colon. What do you think @blocktrades is he too deep or not deep enough?
What was the issue with @heimindanger anyway?
Did DTube get outlawed to give 3Speak exclusivity? This is something I've actually always had in the back of my mind as a "want to know" in order to assess the video element of Hive accurately.
Because...
Yet 3Speak guys want to take it to the next level when they don't even have an audience:
@theycallmedan @starkerz that's embarrassing numbers there. To want to pretend that you're going to SAVE FREE SPEECH is both delusional and egotistical.
Basic analysis shows that DTube is much better positioned to do that:
3SPEAK:
DTUBE:
Those stats are clear cut. DTube have a stream into their platform from USA and YouTube.. which is crucial traffic in relation to FREE SPEECH. 3Speak don't even have much recognition in both.
So while people have falling outs and overall this is the world of decentralised that doesn't adhere to business norms. One thing that is obvious.
YOU CAN ONLY BULLSHIT TO BLIND BELIEVERS.
Those here committed will accept anything.
If HIVE and 3SPEAK want to capture a larger slice of mainstream then I just don't see it with what's currently provided. OR what is ENVISIONED. There's much that needs to be transparent if you are going to try gain real investors and LUCID BELIEVERS or even enough activity to be anything but a lowkey operation generating decent gains for some, and pennies for the rest.
Which, is how I see HIVE. That it seems that there's no urgency in changing it because if the system is working for those few then who cares how shit the system really is for the rest true?
@edicted sorry for piggybacking on your post but these discussions need to be had OPENLY. I believe that if the BlockTrades Team has that many developers then it should be seen as reason to hype up Hive. Or ask questions if not true.
Bcause steemit/Hive is clouded in way too much shady operations... so if this project is ever going to get up from the floor then people need to start discussing the real flaws because they get discovered anyway.
Smart money doesn't proceed once they realise all those things. Errors corrected on the other hand, are a sign of good business sense and competent people committed to providing a superior system.
Hive is controlled by a mafia that captures most of the created wealth by the network. Just look at the 'DAO' proposals, and how it's the same people in the witnesses. It's also the same people running all the apps. They pretend they are not a corporation, yet they will never relinquish control of this chain, and they decide everything via private channels, to which you will never have access to, unless you suck their dicks and do what they say afterwards.
Most of the real people who believed in decentralization are long gone from this network. Those who remain, are just pretending and keeping the shit running so their income doesn't stop. If you are looking for decentralized media, look somewhere else. Even if the governance issue was fixed, the economy would need to get fixed, and author rewards nulled, in order equilibrate supply and demand and to create a stable market for the token. And to make the matter worse, the codebase of hive, which is a fork of steem, which is a fork of bitshares, is obviously complete bloat.
3speak is just trash and not worth talking about
I agree with everything you said and that's why I try get the discussion going but those who have become the inner circle here are all shy or don't want to have that discussion.
@blocktrades
@theycallmedan
You two represent the nuclei of this platform. Block the code. Dan the hope. You can't seriously think that selling basic code wrapped in a lot of hope to a tiny audience is ever going to take this thing to any great heights do you?
Who the hell is going to buy in to this with any significant amount?
I'm confident that the long game could work out for this chain but then that would mean that those HERE NOW - LOYAL USERS deserve better reward. Which can be done with the system now. Yet everywhere I see very fractional rewards to those outside of the inner circle.
That's a sure way TO KILL COMMUNITY.
Which is in effect. Holding 10K weekly users is a very thin margin to recover from even if the next year sees amazing development.
ZERO MARKETING means you're relying on that very small community to do the work. Which is also in effect. So really, what the hell is THE HIVE EXPERIENCE?
Work for the inner circle?
Yeah total brownnosing except I have a long history of talking mad shit about several players in the old guard, including blocktrades.
This is what brownnosing looks like to you? lol
Also, what is the point of comparing 3speak to dTube?
Okay, dTube is better than 3speak! So what? lol
YouTube is x1000 times better than both of them using those metrics. Again, irrelevant.
In my post I set the narrative of:
So obviously the two leading providers determine the status of that. Neither can challenge YT obviously but then BOTH are/were pushing that angle. Trying to be an alternative.
I see it as a BIG negative that HIVE would essentially push one out over the other. Isn't decentralised meant to allow competition and multiples of services?
Don't take the brown nosing comment serious man just like you I speak openly and I opened with that for laughs. The rest was serious though and I take your content seriously. That's why I read your posts often. You're one of only a few that express their view without reservations.
That's why I also made the point that the issues need to be discussed on Hive. This thing isn't going to go anywhere by CLAIMING IT'S SUPERIOR but then anyone that researches a little discovers that it's not quite so (YET).
I see 2021 as a pivotal year.
HIVE's coming of age and the completion of what "SOCIAL WITH REWARDS" could be and should be. So... will that happen or will the community continue to be made to think it's going to happen? See, some win either way. So it's a very important measure of the true future of Hive. Not the speculative dream that so many here are clutching on to.
It takes a lot to piss me off.
I can't think of a time I was actually mad on Hive (3 years).
Is Hive pushing one out?
How so?
The Dinger refuses to build here by design.
Confirmed in this thread.
2021 will be interesting to be sure.
Lol well what I wanted to know is why the split. I've tried to dig in to why DTube fell out with 'the gang' but it seems much of that discussion is on discord and such. All I can find is the angry aftermath.
As a non committed (to the rewards game) user I just think it's a negative to limit service providers on a system that promotes the decentralised mantra.
Like I said though I don't know how it all happened but would you not say that "banned from Hive GitHub" is getting pushed out?
Huge fallout during the hostile takeover.
dTube lost its huge delegation from Steemit or something... rampaged ensued.
It was a pretty bad look.
The witnesses were basically blamed for their actions leading to the loss of the delegation.
Also I'm not sure if he got an airdrop due to witness votes and whatnot.
Lots of spitfire.
Yeah that's what I see as the aftermath but then I think coders were tight enough to be able to work out those differences and move in unison. Back in the old days DTube was a gem of steemit coders. There was also collectively many more coders back then so on that topic...
I wonder if blocktrades actually has this large team now? The video updates show that the cohesion between them isn't really showing "team" because even howo had to be briefed on the second layer idea. Then to find out blocktrades himself is working other non-hive projects makes it even more mysterious as to how this team operates.
I only say this because to make the claim of "we have the largest team in crypto" is a big statement. One that then should mean that this chain should be moving faster and that the Blockchain world needs to know Hive is muscled up as a challenger.
This is what then leaves me a little perplexed about Hive. IN HERE... BIG talks. OUT THERE... not much talks. WHY then... Why significant Hive heads are so quiet out there? See.. that's why I conclude: either shy/not confident to flex or its because that talk is only to the loyalist. To retain some community and keep that money train moving.
I'm not at all saying coders here are EVIL or not building. I just think this thing is less about the people/possibility and more about the money.
You're too fucking lazy to search? Here you go: https://peakd.com/resistance/@heimindanger/negative-reputation-finally-thanks-to-blocktrades
And yeah it's basically a proof that the reputation system is abusable. One single person can turn someone high reputation to negative in 30 seconds.
I'm actually more interested about how to find that information using this mythical search function you are talking about. Walk me through it; how would I have done that? On Google? On Condenser? What keywords would I have used, and what would have been the point of me finding this information? Totally irrelevant information that I didn't need to write the post.
Too lazy to waste time doing pointless shit?
Yep! I sure am!
Reputation is a totally optional feature implemented by opt-in frontends on shit-ass Condenser. Create a frontend that censors all of the old-guard accounts and makes you the God of the Hive network. No one is stopping you.
I'm not creating anything that will add value to Hive. The only reason DTube has Hive as a login option is because someone else coded it. This network is ran by crooks, and I'd rather not be involved
I'm well aware of your position. So triggered by even the thought of building on Hive that you completely misinterpreted the message? Anyone can create a frontend for Hive and display the information in any way imaginable. That was the point.
I was absolutely blank about this before though
35 is quite a lot though I must say
Thanks for the knowledge