Are extreme P/E valuations justifiable with runaway USD inflation?

in LeoFinance2 months ago

There is story after story on Zerohedge and other investment sites about how extremely overbought the market it, and it just keeps going up. While I agree that it probably will go down and head into a secular bear at some point, I am starting to get the feeling that prices are going up, and will go up.

There are a lot of other variables, but could inflation, price inflation at levels we haven't seen in our lifetimes, be a way to justify this supposed madness?

WTF Happened in 1971?

Sure the valuations for these companies, P/E ratios of in the high 20's, the 30's, the 40's or even in the 100's like Tesla - used to be unheard of. But that's looking at the prices they are charging for their products and services this year.

If there is some big inflation numbers, hyperinflation as some are calling for, Earnings for these companies, measured in dollars, would get jacked up and lower these ratios drastically. Its how fractions work, after all.

I can already see prices moving up here, and I am warning who I can. Most people are quite comfortable with the fact that the value of the paper peso bills is constantly going down, and that saving their money in banks is a sure way to get behind in life. Will it be societies like ours, on the margin, that are least effected by the upcoming changes, since they hold the least cash?

I think it will come as a big suprise to many US dollar holders, even considering the dollar has already lost 95% of its value from 1971 and 99% of its value from 1913.

Source: Dollars to Cents

By any metric, valuations are off the charts, at a time when the global economic outlook looks bleak. But I can't shake the nagging feeling that 'markets are crazy' is not the whole story - a realistic estimate on upcoming large to hyper inflation of prices, that is what the dollar can buy going down, might bring things into more clear light.

The Cantillon Effect tells us that those who are closest to the money printer are going to take full advantage, spending the soon to be worthless (or at least worth less) dollars on anything that will hold its value more than paper with some colored ink. Real estate, metals, commodities, ownership - what would you turn your money into if you knew it was soon to be worth less?


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I think it will come as a big suprise to many US dollar holders, even considering the dollar has already lost 95% of its value from 1971 and 99% of its value from 1913.

Based upon what?

Please show me a comparison between 1913 and today.

How much did people earn in 1913 compared to today? Considering the annual wage was about $700 per year, this shows how misleading this concept it.

If there is some big inflation numbers, hyperinflation as some are calling for, Earnings for these companies, measured in dollars, would get jacked up and lower these ratios drastically.

Inflation in a global collapse with declining wages? This will only accelerate the decline in the velocity of money which already plummeted over the last 40 years.

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I wasnt around in 1913 😅 but my understanding is that 1 dollar bought a lot more stuff. Today, if we earn 70,000 dollars in a year, we cannot buy 100x what that person in 1913 could buy with 700.

Of course its a much closer comparison a few decades later, when most of the cool gadgets like cars and refridgerators were being invented. Many products lasted longer then (durability) as well.

But the post is just about how the high P/Es might not be so crazy if you play with another variable like price inflation. I'm not certain how this will all shake out either (just guessing), we are already on the margin of civilization to avoid the fallout from perceived problems.

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