RE: In light of our NEW NFT ART PROJECT on Hive I have concerns with Hive Watchers policing of the art community // Long post with philosophical thoughts about art
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Well this is a funny point. You bring up Rembrandt...and the suggestion that he had help. (No proof.) Yet still he painted with his own hand and there is not another like it out there that isn’t a cheap copy. He didn’t use an app with the same filters and tools everyone else has. He didn’t make a slightly altered copy of someone else’s work. I’ve seen some of the pictures that have come through and without a doubt it is just a copy of someone else’s work, with one or two minor alterations made. There is nothing original about it. None of this is at all like making memes.
How would you feel if someone took one of your self portraits and altered your face with an app a little and submitted it in an attempt to sell your face and to see your face profit anyone but yourself? Would you feel a little violated that a stranger sold you?
The person who was banned that got me thinking of this topic was in the end accused of tracing to make the base of his painting, there is actually a lot of evidence that many famous painters used this technique! A lot of artists do this when first learning too as it can help you to learn how to draw certain shapes and features more accurately. I don't mind if people do this, what I am asking for is transparency about the process, then people can decide if they would like to support it or not with their stake.
A few people have made fan art of me and posted it on hive and got plenty of upvotes. Good etiquette would be to ask first always, thats what I would do, and most respectable artists do as well, but I also respect freedom of expression and don't really think that deserves being put on a global blacklist when people can just choose not to vote for it?
So what you’re saying is if I stencil something you’ve produced and sold on your website that I’m just creating fan art as long as I say “i stenciled this other persons photo.”
That’s good to know. If I said I am going to do this with all the contest winner’s photos, I am sure I would get a HUGE number of large downvotes. Right? Or is everyone in agreement they Hive-Watchers is wrong and I can do whatever I want with your photos??
Any individual person can do what they choose with their stake, most art posts that look low quality usually make very little payout, thats allowing the stake to decide. It doesn't always work but it's generally a good system. We need to keep a lid on people who are blatantly passing stuff off as their own when it isn't and thats where Hivewatchers can shine and use their delegated stake to make a big statement.
Some artists enjoy collaboration, it's the lack of honesty and not asking permission thats the biggest problem. it's about being respectful of each other in a community.
Please make some iterations of my art. Be honest about what it is in the title/post and dm it to me, I will upvote, I'm excited to see what you make!
As tempting as that sounds...I am not the kind of person who does that.
I see the correlation as this:
A document written by someone else + a few minor changes = plagiarism
A photo created by someone else + a few minor changes= photo plagiarism
If there is no golden standard then the whole system collapses and the reward pool in Hive will be raped just as the reward pool in steemit was.
A lot of people seem to be missing the point that the main issue here is transparency. Most of these methods would be fine if people were transparent about the methods/process. Then people could feel confident in supporting content they think should be rewarded or choose to ignore it if it doesn't meet their standards.
I don’t think I’ll ever be fine with it. If someone stole my heavily coded love letters and got some cooch and $5 payout I would want my cut because it isn’t their idea, work or content that they are reaping benefits from. They would get paid and laid on my words, my thoughts and my work.
Theft is theft.
I’ll tell you a story that shows what I mean.
TRUE STORY:
This is exactly why I stopped holding contests. Where I was giving out money and repurposing my payouts right back to the next contest, to help people out during the second month of quarantine, we had Hive community leaders straight up stealing everything but my name and running an identical contest (right down to the payouts) concurrently with mine in an effort to steer away contestants so that the plagiarist could profit from it. (Ironically the leaders of “Original Content Decentralized” did this)
It doesn’t matter that they made a few minor changes or “stenciled” it after mine. What mattered was that they stole everything, slapped a new paint job on it and attempted to get paid off my work.
They didn’t credit me, they didn’t offer to send the rewards to null, and they didn’t acknowledge me when I jumped in their chat to point out that they interfered with a work of charity to profit from it. And it wouldn’t have mattered if they did any of that because that doesn’t change the INTENT of their actions. Their intent is to take someone else’s work, maybe scribble on it a little and pass it off as their own in an effort to profit.
The situation with the photos is no different.
Removing a watermark, stenciling over the area and adding some hair to the eyes is not original. It is concealing the theft of someone else’s work.
I don’t know how much clearer I can be about why this is still plagiarism.