Reward Censorship & "Emma's Dilemma" (or How the Meme Saustrich Gets Made).

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Hey, @ryzeonline, you do a fantastic job at speaking to both sides of a matter! I would say you're on a par with a skilled orator and or politician. I know the two can seem opposite, but sometimes they can be the same too. The benefit I see in a post like yours is that it allows people on both sides of the issue to self-reflect on how they act or react to things, and inner reflection is helpful!


Chris Hadfield and the beautiful (f)art of "not quite" mooning." ~fnord~


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I got to thinking about how you wrapped up 'Emma's Dilemma' and feel compelled to voice disagreement with some of your conclusions. It is a perfectly valid and stoic approach to take what you consider as "your lumps" when it comes to rewards that get deallocated. However, for some people, being silent in response to such a thing can build internal toxicity to unhealthy levels because it stifles one's expression of discontentment.

Suffice it to say that I agree with you that downvotes are not death, but the average Joe on the street—if you mess around with his money, it could quickly end up leading to less than desirable consequences. That's just something I heard Dave Chappelle speak to when he came out against ViacomCBS after they did him dirty with some contract shenanigans. Fortunately for Dave, things played out okay 👌, and this was after he harnessed his celebrity to appeal to the people's sense of justice and reason.

I like HIVE a lot. And I think after it first started because the map didn't match the territory, the DEVs realized that they had to operate in the clutch and try to perfect the natural problems that arise from a system that got coded rather amorally. I'm sure they would have liked to think that people wouldn't downvote (or flag) high effort articles for political reasons. And for the most part, for a while, the GUI reflected that.

I believe this changed for many reasons. One of the reasons was because they couldn't control the abuse factor, and this didn't matter whether it came from self-votes or bogus flagging that didn't meet the criteria. Essentially, they gave up, and they leaned into the law of the jungle or the desert of the real (if you will) that is HIVE. By now, we can get a lot more creative than giving up on some healthy written yet unofficial (or as official as you'd like it to be) code.

FUN FACT: Did you know that back in the old days on the American frontier, when a man unlawfully killed another, he was labeled by the local Sheriff as an "outlaw." They'd plaster posters all over town with the man's likeness saying something to the effect of "wanted dead or alive." It was the simple act of changing the man's personhood to "outlaw" (or Homo sacer) that allowed people to kill him and suffer no ill legal effect because the man had already flouted the establishment.

Of course, this is apples and oranges, and nobody on some internet dumbshit (HIVE) is talking about killing people. That kind of thing would be batshit crazy, not only that but also just plain wrong. However, I think comparative analogies in the mind space can provide words of wisdom to just about any situation. We should always contrast, compare, and analyze the nature of reality, real games, fake games, all the games, and last but not least, internet games.

Ultimately, I'm a free-will-oriented person. As an aside, I think people ought to carry a gun, but that type of thinking should not suggest that I think people should shoot each other liberally with reckless abandon. That type of power, whether it be to take a man's life, financially censor, or to prevent someone from speaking their peace. That kind of thing should not get promoted with irreverence. Downvotes are the closest thing we have to guns on the HIVE platform. They are not a toy, which is why we ought to promote a healthy respect for the tool.


A Gun (Much Like Downvotes or Flagging) Is a Tool.


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There is a strong effort on HIVE by some of the fatcats and sadomasochistic whale barnacles to normalize the act of downvoting content. But I think it should be a bit more nuanced than that. If we're going to normalize the act of downvoting, we ought to at least come up with a set of predefined standards that merit a downvote. Even if it's just guidelines, it could help to restore a more habitable atmosphere. 93% nitrogen, 5% oxygen, and 2% argon are not sustainable for people on a platform that wants to grow.

Why is this important? We can try and normalize downvotes until the cows come home. Pardon the turn of phrase; that's a regional idiom that means "for a very long time." However, even if we could successfully do such a thing, it means we've got to rewire the brains of the new person every single time we get a new person. And depending on the failure or success rate of that, we won't retain new people in the same way that assholes cannot keep friends.

Anyhow, I think HIVE needs a constitution when it comes to not meddling with a post's rewards when said meddling becomes "meddlesome." That was just a little subconscious queue for a guy that I know who is not reading this comment as we speak. HIVE is an impressive experiment that manages to successfully juice people for their creativity.

All of that said, please bear in mind that if we don't want to turn into a bunch of snarky malcontents that when we reach the pinnacle, if we end up getting off on a minnow's pain, then we need to alter course a bit. Perhaps terraform the atmosphere so that when people remove their spacesuit helmets, their heads won't explode.

I know that this project is a work in progress. And I'm very familiar with works in progress because WIP is the title of every new article I begin to write. I obsessively go over these articles like a madman to try and make them grammatically as perfect as possible. HIVE ought to recognize that a successful idea in the marketplace of ideas will attempt to mold itself to market demands. This market rule doesn't work when inverted. Imagine a shoe salesman trying to get you to squeeze into something two sizes too small and then having the audacity to shoot you a gnarly sneer for asking him to grab the correct size.

HIVE must comprehend this sooner than later. If we don't realize how to tap into user creativity without serving up cortisol hits—then we're going to lose in the marketspace until we can get better at getting good at serving dopamine hits. Mind you, I'm only speaking to the nature of the game that we're playing, and it's competitive as fuck.

The super cool part about your post is that you've managed to validate everyone's feelings on the matter while also doing so in such a way where they don't feel too disrespected when you acknowledge the perspective of others in the process. It can be either a dark or light quality, good Sir! I hope you wield it well, as a mage of your caliber is no material for the dark side.

And a thousand-odd words later, this will have to be a post, or else I won't respect myself in the morning. Excellent job again, @ryzeonline; you've been in the back of my mind like a splinter because of not only your skilled wordplay but also your ability to quite possibly make the first and most effective: "Crypto for novices 101" manual.

Just imagine, in your mindsauce, how many people desire and crave to learn and understand all of the things crypto in an age of Zimbabwesque hyperinflation. The numbers are real, and it will take someone like yourself to explain the territory so that they can get over the map. I'm not a rich guy; I cannot financially incentivize this for you.

That said, I think if you do how you tend to do, and you post it in the Leo community, you will get paid well for your sacrifice. Not only that, you'd be educating the next class, people like me, people who aren't yet smart enough to suss the difference between a shit coin and an even shittier coin, although I do have the potential to, given a good teacher.


What STEEM Looks Like to the Undiscovered.



On a more technical note, Steem's blue paper spoke to putting upvote limiters into effect, and it was that function that was to prevent "reward pool abuse." However, people are, as people do, get jealous. They saw the said posts on trending self-voted by stakeholders with voluminous amounts of stake. Regardless of the built-in limiter, thus arose the tragic phenomenon of reward poolicing.

I think that you may have mentioned other Steem forks in an attempt to conflate their lack of downvotes with a failure to launch. I do not believe this is a fair comparison, and I will tell you why. All Steem forks lack the first-mover advantage, and this is probably why Steem, despite its centralized chicanery, still has the edge on HIVE in the marketplace.

They're sitting at 91¢ cent right now. And this, even though the entire downvote posse pulled up stakes and brought it to HIVE to dublup. So it is clear to me that the absence of organized downvote poolice or the so-called rampant "milking" going on there isn't hurting their value any. I believe that a lot can be gained in the decentralized business space when you appeal to everyday people.

P.S. You didn't think I would leave you hanging with that inferior cover of Levan Polkka, did you? No, good Sir, never that! Try getting this one out of your head before next week! [Insert evil laugh.] I've set up camp, and I'm in your head rent-free. You can call the cops, but I'm not going anywhere! This is a civil matter, Sir! Let's get civical!


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this is what i wrote after my first 30 days on steem,
https://ecency.com/philosophy/@logiczombie/my-30-days-on-a-tv-game-show-part-one

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Wow, when you put it that wae, yes, this is a strange game! I can't quite put my finger on it. No, wait, I can! The thing just squished and wibbled at me. It keeps telling me it's Friday, but I swear to the gods it's only Sunday. We're already at the beginning of the end of the week's beginning. I'll let you know if I find the directions. Something may be awry. It's possibly either a battery or a wiring issue. Or perhaps one of the runestones got dislodged. Have your people call my people, and we'll get back to you after these messages.

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LOL, I don't know what the memeing of that was, but it's awesome!

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i'm just following your breakfast snack theme.

also, this guy is about to build his own castle.

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Wow, so if I didn't post that video link, I would not have seen your video. And that video.., man, that video, there's something special about it! That spirit their sporting is crackulating vibrantly. Helicopter humming and popping and buzzing like a live wire. Only it doesn't scream "Danger Will Robinson." It has more of a welcome back to life feel to it, some real, ascension level ish, ya dig? I think I'm starting to feel it; I was too busy looking before to notice. Feels like the apophatic phaneron.

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Suffice it to say that I agree with you that downvotes are not death, but the average Joe on the street—if you mess around with his money, it could quickly end up leading to less than desirable consequences. That's just something I heard Dave Chappelle speak to when he came out against ViacomCBS after they did him dirty with some contract shenanigans.

great point

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There's so much here that I don't even know where to start to comment LOL. The saustrich, the polka with the cat in my face, the AMAZING way you've respectfully disagreed with @ryzeonline's conclusions in "Emma's Dilemma" and wayyyy more.

For instance this: it will take someone like yourself to explain the territory so that they can get over the map. and Not only that, you'd be educating the next class

Made me so happy I cannot even put it into words. And you're probably wondering why and wtf I am....well I am @ryzeonline's biggest fan. His superfan. His partner.

and now I am your fan. This post is an EPIC "comment" on what J has written and taught about censorship. And I like what you said here... if you mess around with his money, it could quickly end up leading to less than desirable consequences. (ok it was Chapelle who said that and jsyk J is a huge fan of his) but still...good point...and One of the reasons was because they couldn't control the abuse factor, and this didn't matter whether it came from self-votes or bogus flagging that didn't meet the criteria. Essentially, they gave up, and they leaned into the law of the jungle

now I look forward to J's reply which will probably be posted by the time I finish commenting.

Anyway. You made me laugh, think, learn, and fan girl all in one post. AND You used a Blackeyed Peas video to make a point...which made me even happier. Thank you for this post.

Your newest fan,
Cyn

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Haha, I'm so glad you enjoyed it, Cyn! It took me many hours and lots of meme mana. I am also a big fan of Ryze's work! Superb communicator, he is. (Must get back to triforce.) Twas mine, the pleasure to meme for and meet you! Keep being you, and always do what ya do! This is luck dust ✨! Think happy thoughts but don't sniff it, then wait and see how it positively influences your mood today!

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Thanks for the kind words about my oration skills and recognizing my attempt to show both sides.

I'll take a moment to clear up my stance on a few things:

being silent in response to such a thing can build internal toxicity to unhealthy levels because it stifles one's expression of discontentment.

I believe the spirit of my post was in full support of speaking out, in fact, it was 14,000+ words of non-silence on the matter. :) My stance was against complaining. The whole point of the article is that complaining can't and won't and never has and never will create the solutions or shift the power structures in the desired ways. There are many other more effective solutions, as Emma learned.

If someone needs to 'vent' in order to prevent their internal toxicity, I suppose that's valid, but it's necessity is a totally other discussion. :)

That's just something I heard Dave Chappelle speak to when he came out against ViacomCBS

I have thoughts on the whole Chappelle situation, but I'll reserve them for another time, suffice to say, Dave should probably read Emma's Dilemma.

One of the reasons was because they couldn't control the abuse factor,

This was heavily addressed in my post. No one, since the beginning of civilization, has ever been able to control the abuse factor sustainably. Which is why the only solution is to increase one's own personal power and influence. Period. Has always been so.

We can try and normalize downvotes until the cows come home.

You're clearly a smart person, so I'm sure you can tell that my post wasn't advocating for or against downvotes, but simply acknowledging them as a natural by-product of human power structures that have always been around. Whether its guns, nukes, downvotes, prisons, whatever... they all flow out of social hierarchies and power structures as groups make their best attempts at sustainable self-organization. :)

Anyhow, I think HIVE needs a constitution

This is a common, solution for self-organizing hierarchies, and it wouldn't surprise me if it happens sooner or later.

It can be either a dark or light quality, good Sir! I hope you wield it well, as a mage of your caliber is no material for the dark side.

Not sure if this was intentional, but this line about my writing approach also mirrors the earlier thoughts about downvotes and guns. They can be 'light' or 'dark', indeed. :)

I'm not a rich guy; I cannot financially incentivize this for you.

You're certainly rich in thought, and even a single upvote from you technically does financially incentivize me, so... thank you for both :)

I'm so new to Hive, and know little about the Leo community, but I'm eager to learn more. And once I learn, my natural tendency to enlighten, clarify, and teach to the best of my ability will likely manifest itself. So I'll add it to my (growing) list of things to research, and I highly appreciate the tip-off.

although I do have the potential to, given a good teacher.

I love this sentiment, because I love learning, I love teaching, and I believe it's time for an 'era of teachers', and my instincts say more and more are stepping up, perhaps in part due to the blockchain.

I think that you may have mentioned other Steem forks in an attempt to conflate their lack of downvotes with a failure to launch.

Hmm... not that I'm aware of. I know very little about Steem and the history of Hive, so it's natural to avoid that territory in my post. That said, my post was a substantial textand I may have miscommunicated something that gave such an impression. Apologies if so.

Regardless, first mover advantage is definitely noteworthy, so I'm glad you brought it up. That said, I'm sure Facebook higher-ups often look at their bottom-line, or their dollar-value in the market and concludes "well, our actions must not be hurting our users or lowering our value", but this isn't really a clear view for them to take, and will eventually create an undesirable result.

That doesn't mean I'm arguing for or against downvotes though. My post is, and remains, primarily focused on understanding power, influence, censorship, freedom of speech, and Emma's own options to deal with downvotes and other such events that occur in all societies, Hive included. If it isn't downvotes it will be some other form of shadow-politics.


I hope what I've offered here adds further clarity and now it's my turn to praise your writing.

I loved how fast you whipped this up, how tightly written it is, the inclusion of various memes and video clips from Dumb and Dumber to Ievan Polkka (Society Of Irreverent Link Spam indeed, last thing I expected to see, lol.) Your post here is well-written, whether it's turns of phrase like "sadomasochistic whale barnacles", bold formatting, or compelling comparisons to the wild west. On top of that, I also loved your insights and perspectives on all of this and the way you presented them civilly and respectfully, and it's all definitely food for thought.

I got a lot out of your writing here and it'll give me a lot to think regarding my time here on Hive, as well as Hive's future. I appreciate it. 🙏

P.S. When I'm not trying to rap Eminem's Godzilla, I sing Zombie by The Cranberries more often than most, lol.

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hahaha I have to laugh because I KNEW You were going to say that about the Chapelle quote! and I loved the clarity that You offer here. It explained one or two points further for myself as well.

although I do have the potential to, given a good teacher.

I love this sentiment, because I love learning, I love teaching, and I believe it's time for an 'era of teachers', and my instincts say more and more are stepping up

You are the greatest teacher I've ever known. and more and more are seeing it and more teachers will indeed step up. I agree 100% about the time for the era of teachers. It's time. and perhaps they will follow You as well and learn from You how it's truly done.

and I agree with You how impressive it is that @thoughts-in-time made this with so many links/memes/videos so quickly.

Con mucho amor,
~cyn

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lol, all good. I aim for clarity, and am happy you got something further from it.

#TeachersRyze

And yeah, seriously epic response post from him. 😃

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This was heavily addressed in my post. No one, since the beginning of civilization, has ever been able to control the abuse factor sustainably. Which is why the only solution is to increase one's own personal power and influence. Period. Has always been so.

ALGORAND

If content (or any transaction) is flagged, an alert is sent to 1000 RANDOM delegates. If a delegate fails to respond in 2 hours, then their option is forfeit and their option is assigned to another RANDOM delegate. The delegates are incentivised with ALGORAND TOKENS to vote in these juries, with an added bonus for voting with the majority (if there is one). A majority of 60% is required in order to remove material or cancel a transaction. If there is a 59%/41% split, the content in question REMAINS UNAFFECTED.

There is no "liar's dividend". No content can be removed without a jury trial.

THIS SYSTEM IS A DECENTRALIZED IMPARTIAL PROCRUSTEAN JURY OF YOUR PEERS.
THIS SYSTEM IS A DECENTRALIZED IMPARTIAL PROCRUSTEAN JURY OF YOUR PEERS.
THIS SYSTEM IS A DECENTRALIZED IMPARTIAL PROCRUSTEAN JURY OF YOUR PEERS.

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If you're suggesting that a computerized algorithm can be crafted to fairly, justly, and unilaterally treat all 8 billion humans on the planet with 'decency', 'compassion', and 'fairness'... especially when involving other flawed humans as a jury... well by all means then, make it a proposal and get it funded/implemented, I'm sure @thoughts-in-time will support it, and I'd love to see you do the impossible. :)

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let's just try and fix HIVE first.

also, if you think it's "IMPOSSIBLE" to IMPROVE the current state of the planet, i'm not sure why you're even speaking.

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Perhaps I'm misunderstanding something. I've written 30,000 words on Hive in the past two weeks specifically intended to "improve the current state of the planet."

Why would you think I don't believe doing so is possible?

It's possible I've been unclear, and if so, I apologize.

The point I was getting at in my above tongue-in-cheek comment is:

If you come up with a system to 'fix HIVE,' (which is a social-group, obeying the laws of all social-groups everywhere since the beginning of civilization)... then your 'fix' would be adopted and deployed by all other social groups as the winning strategy.

Patriarchies, Monarchies, Democracy, Communism, Socialism and many other systems have been tried over the years. There will likely be more in the future. Everyone is hungry for a system that works. So if you have one, I encourage you to try it, whether here or somewhere else, experimentation tends to beat speculation and results disprove any naysayers who are telling you it's impossible, myself included.

Hopefully that makes things clearer, and again, I apologize if I sent an unintended message. 🙏

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it sounds like we're on the same page.

law is codified mob rule.

trial by jury is a normative function that keeps bad laws from being enforced.

a randomized sample of 1000 citizens incentivized to vote with the majority is the perfect jury.

the other option that would fix this "problem" would be to remove the downvote function and replace it with a VAPORIZE button.

the VAPORIZE button would make anyone you found offensive invisible to you and ALSO make you invisible to them.

you could share your VAPORIZE list with others who share your opinions.

you could subscribe to other VAPORIZE lists created by others who share your opinions.

the "problem" has always been that justice is NOT and has NEVER BEEN "universal".

justice has always been LOCAL.

just because you don't like something, doesn't give you the right to make everyone EVERYWHERE stop doing or saying the thing you don't like.

specifically, "spam" and "plagiarism" and "copyright" are all highly subjective.

a corporation is allowed to bludgeon your mind with the exact same message thousands of times a day. that sounds like spam to me. but it's not spam if you like the message.

most people don't care about their words getting copied. even corporations refuse to strike people who give positive reviews of their products and books and movies and television shows and games, but will INSTANTLY STRIKE down any negative reviews. it's self-serving arbitrary enforcement.

also, as much as hivewatchers and steemcleaners loves to rail about "copyrighted images" being "used without permission", they give their own members a pass for GIFS and profile pics and splash pages that clearly VIOLATE their own "code".

and when i've asked them on multiple occasions to clearly define these "crimes" they flatly refuse and say, "our stake can be used as we see fit".

that's not a "community consensus".

that's NAKED OLIGARCHY.

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I agree with you for the most part.

I understand your approach using normative functions and randomized samples.
It may be worth noting that randomness in human treatment rarely goes over well with people. (Studying League Of Legends or other esports with matchmaking is an insightful move here) but like I said, if you believe your system works, by all means, I'd love to see it in action.

A vaporize button is an interesting, if aggressively named, concept. :)

And yes, I agree and am well aware of the localized aspect of justice, which is why all my points in my post revolve around power distribution within a social group.

I also agree with perspective on message-bombardment, as well as arbitrary enforcement.

It's unforuntate that the curators or abuse-policers you mentioned handle things that way, if indeed that's what they do. And I agree it's not community consensus.

Anyway, thanks for all the insight. 🙏

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Your clarity on the post and on this comment is superb. We might have to agree to disagree on the complaining factor. Sometimes you have to call on elementals to add either friction waves or frisson bubbles into the cauldron if you want the magicksauce to come to broom temperature. Thank you for your kind words, Sir. Perhaps you're not aware of the sidechain tokens associated with the various communities yet? I do see that you have some Leo. I love that zombie song, can't get it out of my head to be quite frank. Let me put you up on some good ish!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWj4BSQMkq0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9y4IAdZ8srA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2l6JUNFAJ9o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHBMbZdCpSk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koO35JqBQMI

That guy is blowing up, but the revolution won't be televised or monetized by YouTube. Keep doing the thing man, keep doing the things! So many cool different communities to get involved with!

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(bows) I'm honored you think so.

And I'm cool to agree-to-disagree, especially with someone as reasonable as yourself. That said I'll add one more bit of clarity: I'm not suggesting that complaints have zero value or are negative, and I firmly believe (at least some) friction is a necessary part of growth. I'm merely suggesting that in the grand scheme of things, if one studies the mechanics of social change, complaints rest far down on the scale of effective solutions. And I'll let that be my last word on it, agreeing to disagree and all :)

And you're right, sir, I was not aware of the sidechain tokens. Well I was vaguely aware. People have given me 'pizza', 'beer', 'luvs' and 'leo' but I have no clue what that means. It kind of just sounds like 'hive-with-extra-steps', lol, but judging by how enthusiastic many people are about them, I'm guessing I'm wrong and there's more to them? Anyway, I appreciate the heads up and will explore it further.

And wow, I'm not sure if this is a coincidence or not, but I just got introduced to Tom Macdonald's rap on a post by @intothewild , who is apparently friends (IRL) with him? Now here you are serving me up some of his 'fire bars.' Maybe it's just because he recently made waves in the 'NFT' world, so he's popular on a decentralized platform like Hive? (I mean it could just be because he's good, but it's interesting I've received multiple mentions of him today.)

Anyway, thank you kindly, I'll give 'em a listen. 🙌

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who is apparently friends (IRL) with him?

I was being cheeky when I said ‘next time I have coffee with him’, lol.

Although that’d be sweet, I do have the next best thing....and that is his name, here, on the Hive BC ready and waiting for him whenever he is ready :)

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LMAO, oh, my bad... thanks for clarifying.

And hey, I'm sure he'll appreciate the gift when he joins Hive... shortly, right? :)

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"I'm merely suggesting that in the grand scheme of things, if one studies the mechanics of social change, complaints rest far down on the scale of effective solutions. And I'll let that be my last word on it, agreeing to disagree and all :)"

Fair enough, good Sir! I don't have a closed mind to that strategy at all. I'm open to many ways and not one exclusively, especially positive ways are the most pleasant. I like to switch things up once and a while to see what works. Life can be a bit of a push and pull sometimes. If you head over to the below link, you can get yourself a HIVE Keychain addon. You can view tokens with the addon, hive-engine.com, or at leofinance.io. You can also sell those tokens in exchange for HIVE, some of which may be worth more than hive. POB and LEO are looking pretty strong.

Very synchronistic that your hearing of Tom Macdonald. Also, he's been blowing up the underground with hit after hit lately. At this point, I think Em's going to have to up his game and start getting real / and or / politically involved, but I think he's painted himself into a creativity dungeon. We'll see if he can get out, fingers crossed. Keep in mind to get paid in a community token--it requires publishing to said community. So if you like the value of the LEO coin, I see you have made one post there, and that's most likely how you got the coins. Bear in mind that publishing to a community doesn't preclude you from reblogging your post to the exterior portion of HIVE too. Enjoy the music!

https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/hive-keychain/jcacnejopjdphbnjgfaaobbfafkihpep

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I respect it, open, positive minds for the win! And yes, switch-ups and experiments are highly recommended, I agree.

And wow, I have Hive Keychain, but had no idea it can manage Hive-Engine tokens, thank you, I see them now!

Well, Tom is definitely talented, and to do what he does without traditional music-industry support-systems and marketing is very impressive. Em may be hesitant to be more real / political since the last time he tried he got burned. Hopefully he feels comfortable to make another attempt at it, but I guess we'll see.

And thanks for explaining that I always have the option to reblog my post outside of a certain community, I'd not really thought about that. Plus, I think since I haven't written specifically about Finance, I've avoided a communities with 'Finance' in their name, lol.

Thanks again! 🙏

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If hive had the ccp buying to support the price rather than a herd of outlaw misfits I bet our price would look good, too.

If it was easy to make it here, it wouldn't be cool.

What we have is a crab bucket.
Either we create a customary behavior profile, or we claw as individuals.

Better we create customs enforced by the many because these 'customs' being enforced by the few aren't working for 90+% of people that actually sign up to be here.
That isn't all bad, it just slows down adoption.

If we get lucky folks will discover our currency functions of 3sec block times, free transactions, and human readable wallet addresses, and value us for that.

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