May we all cross the road safely and make it to the other side (Memorial Day Musings)

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“So what did God say to me in the silence that morning? I’m not sure, but I think God said something like, Don’t try so hard, little child, and, Hey, check out this cool turtle I made.
― Rachel Held Evans, A Year of Biblical Womanhood

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I was excited to spy a baby turtle

on the road the same day I had read those words in a book. Sad to say, this 25-cent-sized baby was no longer living. I am trying not to read anything into that. This is not the story of my life. I.e., This is not "my kind of luck."

Anyone who has followed my posts will know that I have been "open" and willing for God (whatever, whoever God may be) to "enter my heart" and all that. I pray a lot to whoever is listening. I pray night and day, while weeding and doing dishes, while walking dogs. The Catholic "community of saints" and the more universal belief that our lost loved ones live on and watch over us? I want this to be true. "Live as if it is true," believe as if is true, and we create our own reality and make it true, right?

I get the dead baby turtle.

I wish the baby turtle had made it safely across the road, but the possum, the raccoon, and the deer joined baby turtle in Crossing to the Other Side. The sheer quantity, and variety, of road kill is beyond reckoning.

I try to dwell on the good things, not these things. These casualties.

And so I won't even "go there" with the story that during this same week, my sister was hospitalized again. Hearing the pain and misery in her voice left me in tears, and that's all I want to say about that.

The same day I found the turtle, I read a news story of a man and woman who set up their own zoo and got busted for inhumane living conditions for the animals. They're protesting, of course, and claiming the judge shouldn't listen to the witnesses.

When the (couple's) attorney noted that the enclosures at the zoo meet the U.S. Department of Agriculture’s inspection standards, (the District Court Judge) said, “If that’s the case, the USDA requirements are so pale in comparison to what they should be — to give these creatures the freedom to do what they want. I’m not sure any of those USDA members would like to live in those units themselves. I mean, I realize they’re animals and they’re not entitled to live in the Taj Mahal, but it was deplorable.” Owners of Manchester zoo claim bias by judge; Court of Appeals to hear matter

Also on that very same day, someone shared with me this photo of an angry young man.
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[source: never to be named!]

I hesitate to explain what is so disturbing about this picture. Let's just say he was a faceless, nameless character in a horror story until I saw this face, and the confessions of a faraway friend became that much more real to me.

He managed to father five children. I am told that he murdered both his sons and got away with it, claiming one had fallen off the bed and the other had fallen down the stairs. Perhaps it is a sign that things do get better in this world that parents no longer are so readily believed. Take this news story from last week:

The parents of a 5-month-old baby who died last year in [the Midwest] are among three people now charged in the infant’s death.

They took this baby girl to a local emergency room.

The baby was treated for abrasions and bruising to her head and ears and released, and hospital staff did not notify police or child services of the injuries.

The next day while again in her father’s care, the baby was found not breathing with no pulse and flown to a [bigger] hospital, where she died days later. An autopsy determined her cause of death was by “a suffocation event of an indeterminate nature.”

Investigators said [this despicable man] and the two other women charged made up a story that the child had been injured by a lamp knocked over by cats.
source: telegraphherald

Also that same day

(when it rains, it pours, no?) I got a letter in the mail from our nephew's wife. At three months along, their baby girl miscarried. They buried this fetus in a cemetery with a granite stone, and the baby's aunt plays her violin over her grave, and the details of this young mother's letter are too poignant to share. This gracious young would-be mother has been unable to conceive again. Her spirit, her faith in God, her kindness are manifest in every particle of her being. If ever any newlyweds were worthy of becoming parents, it was this nephew and his bride.

Denied!


Meanwhile,

The father in that haunting photo is no longer alive on this earth (there is a God!!!), but the damage he did to his daughters is beyond all repair. E.g., there's the "How does one ever recover from the PTSD of this unthinkable event" in which he set fire to the family dog. I will spare you all details. Suffice to say, I am nowhere near as traumatized as this man's daughter is by just HEARING the details. My trauma just picturing this thing that actually happened might register only "one" on a scale of one to ten, while hers is ten exponentially. How am I to forget that I heard this story, how do I unsee that image in my mind?

This now-adult daughter has a counselor who tells her to work toward a state of existence in which she does not try to kill herself or dream of doing so every day. I.e., set your standards low. Don't aspire toward happiness and mental health. Just try not to off yourself, ok, honey? Baby steps. Don't overwhelm her with lofty goals. When/if she attains one level of existence, she can aspire, from there, to a state of contentment or even happiness? Of course, I paraphrase here, but this therapist seems to have very low expectations for this woman whose "daddy issues"(what a euphemism) are so extreme, her version of "On the Bright Side" is that other trauma survivors report having parents who forced them to eat vomit, feces, and other filth, and this woman is grateful to have been spared that.

This woman needs a much brighter Bright Side. I so want to help but so far all I've done is listen and marvel that she has survived. She jumped out of a tree in hopes of killing herself at age six or seven (another story that is not mine to tell). How can we help those who are so brutalized, so traumatized, so severely damaged by the very people who gave us life and were charged with safely raising us to adulthood? I cannot "fix" anyone, which makes it all the harder to keep hearing all these grand claims of The Pentecost (you know, "Descent of the Holy Spirit," the empowering of the faithful, the Bible reading of the day, last week), with Jesus sending out his disciples to heal and cast out demons and speak in tongues, and all. Yeah. Spread love! Spread joy! I cannot even seem to alleviate the pain and suffering of others, much as I want to. My own sadness is a commodity I try to put aside, when I'm not trying to "accept" and "embrace" all emotions, yada yada, you've seen a gazillion posts about this already. The sorrows of others, the joys of others, the business of raising babies and burying our loved ones and moving on. We all have heard. We need to keep hearing the affirmative stuff. Not dwell on the dark stuff.

Time to focus my mental energies on all that is well, all that is right, all that is good.

Painted turtles

are some of the most widespread members of the turtle (Testudines) family in North America. Their name comes from the brightly colored markings on their extremities, which range from yellow, to orange, to red.
The painted turtle lives in slow-moving fresh waters, from southern Canada to northern Mexico, and from the Atlantic to the Pacific.

.... Humans do have an impact on these turtles, but they are widespread and numerous enough that it typically doesn’t impact their population....habitat destruction and road kills being the most impactful. Thankfully, this species is able to easily adapt and can even live in man-made lakes and ponds, allowing it to continue thriving.
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source: animals.net/

They are numerous.

They are thriving.

Most of them thrive, or enough of them thrive, anyway.

And that is my "takeaway" on this Memorial Day, a day to remember the fallen, including the 5-month-old girl slain by her own father, the two brothers slain by their dad, and one little painted turtle on the side of the road.

May we all cross the road safely and make it to the other side.



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I understand your feelings for the loss of the baby turtle, it confronts us with the mystery of what death represents, so we must see it as a gateway to a communion with God. Thank you for sharing your devotion today dear friend @carolkean.

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Well, here's a cheery update:
The lone journalist who did so much to investigate my sister's cold case wrote today that all her peers and higher-ups advise her to LEAVE IT ALONE and move on. Of course that is her best, safest, wisest course of action. Sure, I had entertained visions of her doing what so many podcasters have done, crack the case, but I am grateful for all the information she did uncover. I am blessed to have in my life someone who cares so much about a stranger. I am grateful she will play it safe and *Let it Go.

Also today I'm going to see my grandchildren, and there is no better antidote to life's challenges than that. Other people's children have come to great harm, but I'll do my part to make sure that my own are loved, nurtured, protected, and treasured!

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Ah, the fallacies and failures of organized religion; indeed, I have never seen organized religion of any stripe improve the lives or spiritual health of those who serve it. Christianity in particular is based on a personal relationship with our Creator, which Catholicism strives in every way to thwart or block. A human cannot have a personal relationship with a God if he must first pass through the fallible human roadblock of a priest or even the God's mother. This is a construct based on the old covenant of blood sacrifice through the Levitical priesthood in the Holy of Holies. If one subscribes to the Christian faith--and I do--we understand that the death and resurrection of Christ did away with this hindrance forever by physically destroying the Holy of Holies in Jerusalem and placing responsibility for commune with the spirit of God directly on each individual. People can choose whatever faith system they wish. I choose the faith system involving Jesus. My personal decision and I won't be caught trying to convert any Muslims or Hindus. Their business. However, if one chooses the Christian faith, the act of tossing out the new covenant in favor of a dead tradition of passing through human priests for atonement and salvation is tragic. I am never surprised when people struggle with faith that is based on the traditions of men, particularly traditions that were made to serve governments and rulers, not the people in bondage to them.

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I hear you.
For me, the Catholic view of the "Community of Saints" and the honor and esteem for Mary are two things that make it better than the Fundamentalism I was raised with. But I've read about Zoroaster, who preceded Jesus by at least a thousand years, and I have never felt any sense of Jesus accepting the invitation to come dwell in my heart... (Fundamentalist or Catholic versions, it's the same non-result).

I'm glad you feel the love of God and all that - it's very hard to see when surrounded by animal abuse, child abuse, endless examples of man's inhumanity to man - but you've also seen the grand, glorious, joyous side of life, and so have I, and this is what we treasure in our hearts. Not the cruelties, not the transgressions, but the many many good things we've witnessed.

#StillTrying!

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@carolkean, @rhondak: As a Hive "part-timer" for some time now, what "inspired" me to glance through my feed (seldom do I have / make the time these days ...)? And, in doing so, what "inspired" me to open your (and yours only ...) post?

God?

These are real questions. From a real man. In the real world. 😉 My own answer to the last one? Yes, I believe it was God, although I make no claim to any ability to "prove" that to you or anyone else. I simply long ago came to believe there is no chance, no "luck," no "kharma" ... involved in life. All happens for a very definite reason, as it has been ordained ...

This is a powerfully written post @carolkean. "From the heart," there can be no doubt ... How best to respond to it? In my thoughts and praying about it, simply to provide a brief "word of encouragement" (at least I hope it will be "received" that way, i.e. in the same "spirit" in which it was "sent" ...), having wrestled with many similar questions over my long life (now in my 60s ...).

The firstborn into the home of a Pastor (briefly, then he left ... for good ...), I endured many challenges in coming up with answers to the hard questions in life with which most of us (if we are honest, probably every last single one of us ...) wrestle. With my parents "Christian" background and subsequent divorce, through growing up among the Mormons in Utah and hearing their thoughts about other churches, particularly Catholics (both of which claim their leaders to be infallible spokesmen for God ...), close family being members of more "fundamentalist" churches, to being heavily influenced by an Indian from the Brahmin caste "waxing eloquent" about all that culture thinks it knows about the Truth ... 😲🙄

Leading this perplexed, very sincere young man to wrestle with what is the truth? For a time, my "reconciliation" of all of these divergent views was that there actually was a God. But, rather than the truth, since he was a "good God" surely and all of these well-intentioned people's views were irreconcilable, then a "just God" would just "judge us" based on how consistently we lived "our version" of what "we thought" the truth was ... 🤷‍♀️

Such was the reasoning of this man. Until ... My own "moment of truth" ... The survival of my marriage. And the fate of our two little ones, as a result of the "failings" of both of their parents ... My own children facing the same future, as my past? God help me, when my "reconciliation" had absolutely no power to do anything of the sort ...

The "Reader's Digest" version from there (my "Testimony of a Rock Head" post contains more detail ...)? This proud (pride is, I believe, our "fatal" undoing ...) young man submitted and surrendered his life to "the way, the truth, and the life."

I personally have come to believe all systems of belief have one thing in common. Some how, some way, man is going to "earn" his way into whatever his personal version is of heaven, nirvana, utopia ... All except one, that is. The Gospel of Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of our Heavenly Father.

From the resurrection power of His finished work, rather than anything I could or would do, I found what was missing and subsequently my marriage not only survived, but thrived. And we went on (45 years and counting ...) to have a "quiver full" of children, who are now out in the world on their own ...

Your post highlights what I have always considered to be the single most difficult question there is - if God is good and loving then why do bad things happen to good people? I believe the Bible clearly answers that question, but ... Probably I have written more than enough already ...

Thank you for this great post @carolkean. I pray you are ultimately successful in finding the only source of eternal peace there is, in your own struggle in answering these very difficult life questions.


P.S. I cannot write this last sentence and say "see ya" ... Without offering any help I can, with whatever follow-up questions / comments / concerns you may have. Not to be presumptuous that there will be, but simply to offer to be of whatever help I can, as a "tool in God's hands" was with me in 1984 ...

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I personally have come to believe all systems of belief have one thing in common. Some how, some way, man is going to "earn" his way into whatever his personal version is of heaven, nirvana, utopia ... All except one, that is. The Gospel of Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of our Heavenly Father.

And that right there ^^^ is the key.

I watched my best friend/partner come to this realization whilewe were living in the midst of an utterly different "belief system," when he started exploring the different teachings and history of religion and his brain power calculated the gaping inconsistencies in other "religions." Then he studied the fundamental basis of the gospels and could not pick it apart. From there it was simply a matter of admitting first to himself and then to God that he believes that there was very real power at work in the resurrection, and that he will privately and publicly recognize Jesus as the son of God. It wasn't anything he did or didn't do, no effort on his part, no striving for a perfection he knows he can never attain. The "work" is all supernatural, nothing we can achieve or should attempt to achieve. We aren't qualified to "perform" our way into Grace. It's just a rough, rugged, gritty, and sometimes messy conviction that only ONE person is qualified to represent us before God, and then a simple admission of helplessness to contribute to that arrangement in any way, but revert to a childlike trust in a hero who will do exactly what he says he will do, every time.

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Yes @rhondak, it took me way too long to come to this realization, but ... I did get there and I do believe it is the key.

"It wasn't anything he did or didn't do, no effort on his part, no striving for a perfection he knows he can never attain."

Very good to read your partner came to this realization for himself. As mentioned above, I grew up with Mormons. They not only don't understand this, they literally believe their "striving for perfection" will ultimately result in them becoming gods (small "g" ...) of their own world!

"... and then a simple admission of helplessness to contribute to that arrangement in any way ..."

Amen! Probably more important to me personally than anything else was the "awakening" to the realization that our Heavenly Father loves us not for who we are or anything we have done, but because of who He is (and has always been and will always be ...)!

As a result, He gave all that could be given to redeem us. And on the cross, our Lord's final words were "it is finished!" How is it that man still persists in thinking he is some how, some way going to "add his bit" to this finished work?!

Why did He do it? He knows what His original intent was in our creation (how can the mind of man fully grasp what it must have been like in the Garden of Eden?) and will see to it that some day we will live with Him in eternity the way we were always meant to live.

"He will wipe away every tear from their eyes, and death shall be no more, neither shall there be mourning, nor crying, no pain anymore, for the former things have passed away. And he who was seated on the throne said, "Behold, I am making all things new." Rev. 21:3-5

May He hasten the coming of that day!

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Thank you

for this thoughtful reply, a blog post in and of itself. I checked out your introductory post (part 2), and haven't even finished it yet. The part were your mom lived in the same house she was born in caught my eye. My dad is pushing 90, and still living in the house where he was born, and refusing to be displaced to a nursing home despite his dementia. Rooted. You were unrooted, unmoored, from infancy, yet in later life, you found your anchor.

I can't upvote or comment at PeakD.

This is something so many people report as their reason for avoiding church: other people's hypocrisy. We find that trait everywhere, not just in church, and it annoys me that Free Will is always trotted out as the reason a loving Father God allows people to do terrible things in the name of "His" church. Parents don't entrust their children with the freedom to go play in traffic. They hide the matches. There's a difference between "no free will" and total free will.

Ok, I'll keep reading.... our granddaughter is here, and I won't have much time online once she awakens for the day!

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I appreciate hearing back from you! 🙂 Yes @carolkean ...

"This is something so many people report as their reason for avoiding church: other people's hypocrisy."

... I can most certainly relate to that. Very easily. Not just here in America, but all over the world, this seems to be a universal challenge - the self-righteous, hypocritical people who claim to represent the "true" church. If there is a greater "stumbling block" for coming to faith in Christ, I don't know what it is.

Thankfully for me, in my "moment of truth," I experienced someone who was very different than my expectations. Very, very different ... Enough so that my eternal destiny changed, as a result ... All praise to Him and Him alone, as I truly believe that is where the credit goes. The man who our Lord used as a "tool in His hands," at that critical time in my life, would not disagree ...

Your point on free will is certainly understandable and another of the challenges we face. I have "settled it," in my heart and mind, with knowing some day "all will be made known" and I am certain at that time, we will no longer have any questions. To your point, the ultimate example of free will is, I believe, found in the Garden of Eden. If we accept His word telling us we are born sinners, then what are we to make of Adam and Eve? Who were created sinless?

He gave them exactly ONE (think of our experience as parents ...) "do not" - eating from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Given the majesty and splendor of all that must have been their experience in the Garden of Eden, how tough would it be to accept just ONE restriction?

Well ...

We read the answer and (to the place I have come to in my 37 year "journey" with our Lord) must decide right there what we are going to do with the question of free will. And what it represents ...

And ever since then? Well, as a parent, I know firsthand how it has gone over and over, when I have given my children instructions, for their own good. Did they listen? 😉 NO, sadly far too often. They have to "forge ahead" on their own and learn the "hard way" that ...

"Ohhh, now I know why Dad said that ..." 🙄🙂

Sadly, I know the best lessons I have learned in my own life have come this way. At a very dear price ... Why, oh why didn't I listen?

One of the great "ah ha" moments of my parenting years was sitting one of my older ones down to say,

"By the time you fully understand what I am trying to tell you, it will be too late! I need you to accept it on good faith, believing your Dad ..." 😲

Ding! Ding! Ding! It really hit home hard how much this is (I believe) what our Heavenly Father so often is saying to us ...

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"... our granddaughter is here, and I won't have much time online once she awakens for the day!"

They are a blessing! My beloved lifemate is up in the Pacific Northwest, as this is being written, with two of ours ... To them, she is "Grammmy!" 🥰

I hope you have had a very "good memory" day with your granddaughter!

Very nice to hear back from you. If you choose to write more, I will very much look forward to what you may be inspired to write next.

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Thank again, @roleerob, for your many kind thoughts and comments.
Tomorrow, all THREE grandkids will be here, for TWO NIGHTS, so it'll be some time before I blog again. They're a great joy and blessing, to be sure. I'm accustomed to having a lot of quiet "alone" time and am trying to ease into this gradually. Three kids, ages four, three, and one, will be a lot of commotion and many sound decibals, but I thank God for them.

As for the Garden of Eden, Eve was framed. She was punished for being inquisitive and wanting to learn and to know. That's my take on it. I regard it as a story, no more "literally" true than Odysseus and the Cyclops, but the great cannon of myths and legends add up to something. An afterlife? I'll do everyone a favor and not "go there" tonight. Off to bed before the next wave hits tomorrow. :) Thanks again, and goodnight.

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Okay @carolkean ...

"I regard it as a story, no more "literally" true than Odysseus and the Cyclops, but the great cannon of myths and legends add up to something. An afterlife? I'll do everyone a favor and not "go there" tonight."

... good to know. That helps me understand better “where you are coming from” and raises a lot of questions. Your post references (I think) a fundamentalist upbringing, so presumably something in your younger years led you to this conclusion, which I don’t believe is a fundamentalist view of the Bible …

Having wrestled with a similar version of “what is the truth?” I struggled with the idea of who or what would determine what parts of the Bible (or any writings claiming to answer “what is the truth?”) are to be taken literally and what can be safely ignored, since it is just a story. Once you “open the door” to it being just a story, I am not personally sure how one ever goes about resolving anything …

Anyway (from your post) …

”Anyone who has followed my posts will know that I have been "open" and willing for God (whatever, whoever God may be) to "enter my heart" and all that. I pray a lot to whoever is listening.”

I believe what the Bible says. There is one God. And one God only. “Seek the LORD while he may be found” is an oft-cited reference to what our Heavenly Father has to say to us about seeking Him.

I wish you well Carol, in your seeking and finally reaching a place of peace about who He is and who you are (in this order 😉), as a result …

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”They're a great joy and blessing, to be sure.”

Of that, there is no doubt. My encouragement would be to have a wonderful time with them and forget all about the Hive blockchain. They are far more important. You to them and them to you … 🙂👋

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Thank you @roleerob. The grandchildren have been returned, and I am treasuring the solitude and silence even as I wish they lived closer and I could see them every day. A few hours a day, daily, would be like My Daily Bread, while the overnights minus their parents are like purgatory: in my younger, more energetic days, I never did well with sleep deprivation. Attachment Style Parenting vs "let them cry it out in the night" was my own m.o. and now it's my daughter's, but now, I'm thinking Let Them Cry It Out! (long, long story, not gonna go there, except to say I had to wean our middle child "at gunpoint" and now she's going through this with her youngest, and at age 15 months, that child is NOT giving up without a fight like Armageddon).

I survived the night with this child who had to survive one night without her mommy and that is all I have to say about that. For now. Another day, maybe, I'll tackle the topic of "Be fruitful and multiply" and trot out that thing Moses said, "Honor they parents, that their days may be long." Or something like that.

At the moment, I'm still up in arms about the way Eve was framed. And cheated. Denied!

She defied orders ("Don't go there; don't touch the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge") - and what did she get? What knowledge did she learn?

"We are naked."

Why didn't she get a period table of the elements, showing the building blocks of the universe (God, the ultimate Lego master), or some basic history of the planet, like what happened to the dinosaurs, and the fact that the earth revolves around the sun. But no. Galileo gets house arrest for speaking the truth, because KNOWLEDGE did not get dispensed after the serpent got Eve to eat the apple.

She didn't even get a compendium of herbal lore, as far as we know. Now that you're evicted from the garden, here, learn which plants are good for which ailments. Nope.

Why am I so agitated about this? Because I, like millions of others, was raised from infancy to believe that the Bible is literally true when any thinking, rational person (i.e, Eve) can see the lack of logic or plausibility, and the many inconsistencies. Eve was shafted!

It's like the whole Big Deal was that they were naked, so they covered themselves. For that, they lose their place in Eden.

The gods of the Vikings are hardly any better than the Old Testament God. Blood sacrifice.... yesterday was a Holy Day, "The Most Holy Body and Blood of Christ" day, and I winced and cringed at the slaying and burning of calves and sheep as holocausts and peace offerings to The Lord. Moses takes animal blood and sprinkles it over the people (Exodus). Where is the logic??? "Worthy is the Lamb that was slain" - meh. The Biblical God sounds demanding, vindictive, punitive.

I read the Bible cover to cover at age sixteen and became an agnostic. Because, the book of Judges, for starters.

Jephthah charged into battle with his countrymen behind him, filled with “the Spirit of the LORD” (Judges 11:29), he made a promise to God: “If you give the Ammonites into my hands, whatever comes out of the door of my house to meet me when I return in triumph from the Ammonites will be the LORD’S, and I will sacrifice it as a burnt offering” (V. 30).
Jephthah returned home, glowing with sweat and triumph, “who should come out to meet him but his daughter,

And yes. He slays her. Unlike Abraham with his son Isaac, this daughter gets no angel intervening to say "It was only a test! You don't have to kill your own child to satisfy our loving God!"

It would be easy to walk away from the cruelty and insanity of the Bible if it wasn't to this day being taught as Truth we must live by, like the Proverbs 31 woman, and even Jesus (who upended so many of the awful Old Testament stuff) warning of the eternal flames of hell for anyone who fails to believe (like a child! i.e., not questioning!) -

Dang I'm in a raw mood....

Please don't be offended at my thoughts on Biblical love, truth, compassion, and promises of a heavenly hereafter. "We the hands, we the eyes," God can act only through us, not by divine intervention, and so millions of children are sex trafficked every day and guardian angels do not "bear them up lest they dash a foot against a stone," and I'm a gonna pray all day anyway, trying to train my mind to dwell on all that is right with the world, all that is good, all that is beautiful, and I'd all "all that is true," but I'm not sure yet what "True" is. I'm pretty sure the Bible is taken far too literally and lives are destroyed or worsened for this blind allegiance to ancient texts.

And whassup with Moses writing the Ten Commandments and reading them to his people, while Jesus took a stick and scratched some words in the sand, but never left us with his own writings.

What a strange way for an almighty God to run the world.

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🌄 Good morning @carolkean! ☕ Reading through your response, whilst drinking some coffee, my first reaction is to simply say that there is no need, while communicating with me, to be apologetic about speaking your mind. As long as it is relatively civil and respectful (which, of course, it is) then I personally have no difficulties with whatever you may feel led to say. I value candor and straightforward communication, as it is just more fundamentally honest, as far as I am concerned ...

So ... Thank you for this "from the heart" response. I did not know whether I would hear from you again ... Now ... What should I say ... 😉

My own first "from the heart" reaction, is that our interaction underscores for me what I find frustrating about being "in here" in the first place. I would much prefer literal (😉) "face time" (I avoid most of these "social apps" ...) and very much enjoy (I think) talking with you over a cup of coffee. You and I are both old enough to know how vital good communication is and all of the rich subtleties (e.g. "body language" ...) that go into it. Which cannot possibly be "simulated" in these "virtual worlds," as they are limited to the "black and white" of text only ...

That said, our Heavenly Father choose to reveal Himself to us through the written word. And we both know the great power of words themselves. So ... I think I will focus on that and "key" words, broken out in separate sections.

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Children

Loved your expressions about both the joys and challenges of grandchildren. We are well acquainted with that ambivalence ...

"... I am treasuring the solitude and silence even as I wish they lived closer and I could see them every day."

This pretty well sums it up! 🙂 I am not wise enough to fully comprehend all the significance of what children represent. I just personally believe it would be very hard to overstate their importance. I have written on this topic in the past, to capture at least some of what I think they might represent ...

I will simply say part of what our Heavenly Father has to tell us about children is that we are "created in His image." And that clearly without children, there is no future. One beautiful aspect of the "seasons of our lives," is we get to experience grandchildren as part of it. Yes?

From your descriptions, I'm sure yours love the time they get to spend with you.

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Authority

What is the single most important word that we might use in discussions about God? Well, I don't pretend to know. I do believe, however, this one should be high up on the list.

I think one of the essential truths about our lives is that we have a "free will" to make decisions. About virtually anything and everything, e.g. what we choose to believe is true. And what isn't ... We have that "authority," granted by our Creator.

What we are not "free to choose," however, is that absolutely essential element of making decisions in the first place - that they will have consequences. We are neither free to change that truth nor are we free to choose the consequences of our decisions. Our Heavenly Father reserves that "authority" to Himself.

As much as man despises that and rebels against it, in one way or another, it is an immutable part of the "universal code" that we all live by, as ordained by God.

Touching very briefly on what you have written, with two examples:

  • God gave Adam (how "successfully" did he transmit this instruction to Eve? 🤷‍♀️) exactly one "do not," with the clearly stated consequence of violating this instruction. Satan tempted Eve to both doubt this consequence and accept that He must be "holding out" on her, as "you will be like God" instead!

    Right ... The most consequential decision ever made?

  • God instructed Abraham, as a test, to sacrifice his son. A lot can (and has) been said about "why?" God "handled" Abraham's faithful response. As a foreshadow of what He Himself would ask His own son to do.

    Jephthah was given no similar instruction. His rash vow was his own decision. With tragic consequences ...

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Greater

At first glance, this might seem to be a strange word to highlight. Until fairly recently in my own life, I would've probably agreed. It has, however, become much more important to me.

Why?

In my little "black and white" engineering-oriented "pea brain," it is how I have come to explain / understand those aspects of life and observances about both myself and other people that are otherwise very difficult ...

As succinctly as I can say it, when observing my own foolish behavior and that of others and asking "why?" I believe the answer is dealing with the truth that something greater compels us to it. Even if at a (mostly? totally?) subconscious level ...

I could write a whole post about this. For now, I'll just say I am still "steep on the learning curve" of wrestling with this apparent aspect of our lives.

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Maturity

Back to children, you and I have both experienced raising children. Hopefully to at least some level of maturity. What have we observed "along the way?"

For me, in the context of our "conversation," I think it is that they grow in both the width and depth of their understanding. Of what is right. And what is not. Of what is important. And what is not ...

Relatively early on, as a father, I thought about whether I could be wise enough (I am not ...) to compose a series of questions for my children to answer. By which I could clearly "measure" how they were doing, on all the "important stuff" ... Sort of a "KPI exercise" (sorry, I'm an engineer ... 😉) ...

The lingering thought I had about this was, if I asked this series of questions every 5 years or so, I could expect that over time my children's answers would be ever more closely aligned with "the way it is" ... Because they were more mature ...

They might even ask me questions of their own, with the hopes their father might be able to help them improve their understanding ...

Now, if this makes any sense to you at all, apply the basic concept of it to our relationship with our Heavenly Father. My own application of it, in my life, is that I have my own "list" of aspects of what the Bible has to say which are confusing / troubling / ?...?

Rather than reject the Bible, in response, I "put them on the shelf" believing two essential elements of what the future holds:

  1. Some day I will be able to ask these questions of Him directly, and

  2. His answers will make perfect sense, as His wisdom (and every other aspect of His nature) is infinitely greater than mine ...

Why do I do that? Far too much of the Bible makes perfect sense, whether I like some of the implications or not. And application of these truths has fundamentally changed my life. Not only for the better today, but for the far greater hope of tomorrow ...

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Why am I investing this amount of time in writing @carolkean? Due to the impression left with me, from reading your original post, that you were "fighting the good fight," in trying to come to terms with the existence of God. And that, by providing some "food for thought," I might be used by Him to be of some help. As you might yourself choose to do, were our "roles" reversed ...

Until "next time," I hope all is well with you and your loved ones.


P.S. As a "part-timer," I am not always online. Hopefully you will not have been put off by this delay in my reply to what you have written. It is unavoidable, as I decided a long time ago that I could not justify the amounts of time I was allowing to be consumed "in here" ...

Just know I will always respond. Eventually ... 😉

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Thank you for the thoughtful and comprehensive reply, especially when you are committed to spending less time on social media (which includes Hive, no?) - online interactions. Funny, just last night on a Christian radio station (I tune in when I'm in the car trying to stay awake), someone was saying that thanks to Covid, he'd found that the increase in *online interaction vs face to face was actually a good thing, and more people opened up to a greater degree, speaking to faceless strangers from the security of their own homes.

I listen to both a Catholic and an Evangelical (does that ever not mean Protestant?) station. Sometimes the messages sound timely, relevant, and applicable to any human being, and I can say the same thing about Astrology: sometimes, the messages are timely and relevant, no matter which of the 12 signs of the zodiac one may be.

I've been investigating Gregory of Nyssa and what the Bible actually says about hellfire and damnation, especially eternal, and I continue to be annoyed that Jesus wrote nothing directly for us to read, and he spoke only in parables to the masses, but in private, he explained things to his disciples. (A reading from the holy Gospel according to Mark.) This sounds conspiratorial. Or sneaky. At the Transfiguration, he told the two disicples on Mount Horub not to speak of the glowing appearance of Moses and Elijah, but to keep this event on the down low. Am I misinterpreting? Misreading?

Back to the idea of hell. I've begun to read Raising Hell: Christianity's Most Controversial Doctrine Put Under Fire Kindle Edition by Julie Ferwerda

If you've ever had doubts or questions about the incompatibility of eternal torment with a merciful God, Raising Hell will open your eyes to a radical view of God's loving purpose for all humanity and what the "Good News" is really about. Picking up where Rob Bell and others leave off, Julie Ferwerda offers compelling evidence historically, philosophically, and scripturally as to why the doctrine of eternal torment is the biggest and most damaging deception of the modern Church.

It seems likely that I will never find the Bible to be the One, True, Holy, Most Accurate Book on The Meaning of Life and What Comes Next (if anything!) after we die.

But I continue to pray as if there is a listening God who care and might even intercede on our behalf. I trust that the Holy Spirit "with inexpressible groanings" will fill in for us when words fail us. I don't know this to be true, and I scarcely believe it, but I hope for such promises (straight from The Holy Bible itself!) are for real.

Thank you for trying to reason with me. I've heard every possible variation on Free Will and consequences. Who am I to question the ways of God? What I question is what human hands have written about God. I'm not too confident in the ancient writers, the translators, the publishers, the Board of MEN who chose what words made into the Bible and what didn't. After all, the original version of the Bible spoke of Junia, an esteemed apostle of Jesus, but around 400 BC some men decided that couldn't be right, a woman couldn't be an apostle, so they changed her name and gender with Junias, a male spelling. Still later, when caught in this gaffe, they rewrote Junia to be "esteemed by the apostles," which is not AT ALL the same thing as being an apostle.

I've tried meditating with mantras such as the Buddhist Nam Myōhō Renge Kyō but it doesn't seem to "work" for me as a calming device the way The Rosary does.

Off to go let the dogs out.... thank you for sharing your faith, @roleerob!

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🌄 Good morning @carolkean! ☕🙂

You have reinforced a favorable impression made with your forthright response. Perhaps due to this:

"... more people opened up to a greater degree, speaking to faceless strangers from the security of their own homes."

For me, I have always had mixed emotions about it. Often saying "face time is more than an app to me," I prefer the original "face time" ... 😉 But ... That is just me ... Since we can see your face (presumably you) in your profile, here is the person with whom you have chosen to "engage." 🙂👋

As for this:

"... especially when you are committed to spending less time on social media (which includes Hive, no?) - online interactions."

As I wrote in my intro, as well as bringing it up from time to time, the only online presence I have ever created is "in here" on our (now) Hive blockchain. And its related "second layer" communities and Discord servers. Originally spending far too much time "in here" and troubled by both that, as well as my discomfort with some of "the Wild West" aspects of the Hive blockchain, I have cut my time invested way back. I had a full life in the real world, before I ever knew anything about "crypto" and I have the same "fixed constants" as everyone else - 24 / 7 / 365 ...

Time has always been valuable to me. The older I get, the more true that becomes ...

With that said, on to commenting on what you chosen to say.

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Valuing candor as I do, I am well aware of its limitations. Many are "put off" by forthright interactions. For various reasons ... Seems in the time in which we now live, at least here in America, that may be even more true than at any time in my life ... Sad to me, but it does not change it.

So ...

I will (likely) "challenge you" a bit, perhaps, with what I will now say. Hopefully, it will be received in the same "spirit" in which it has been sent.

All that you have said strikes me as your personal version of what I went through myself. And, from my interaction with many others over the years, the same as most people, in one way or the other.

And what is that?

In the Bible, God clearly tells us, over and over, that we are created in His image. I believe it also records with historical example after example, how one of humanity's principle failings is to turn that around. To create God in our image. Full stop. Period.

In my own life, this "fact" was represented by my many attempts to "reason it all out." After all, I took every college-level course my high school offered and "aced" them all. I was educated as a Metallurgical Engineer at a major university. I was very adept at reading any written content and always passed any "comprehension" test, as required.

Why would I not then apply that same successful "approach" to reading the Bible? And "passing that test" as well?

Well, for starters, my pride was in the way. I believe the Bible clearly communicates to us how God views our pride. I would go as far as saying it is the "cornerstone" of our fallen nature, but I make no claim to being a theologian ... I just know how much my own pride stood in the way of my making any "progress" whatsoever in coming to terms with my own "moment of truth" ...

My testimony talks about what happened the day I visited our Pastor. At the request of my wife. To save our marriage ... Only afterward, did it finally begin to "dawn" on me ("out in the light") what had transpired. Which was completely contrary to what I had "reasoned out" was going to happen.

And what was that?

That God had enlightened my understanding of His word. Brought it to life!! Only the Author of Life, the Creator of all that is, can do that. In His timing, not mine. Based upon His will, not mine.

Had our Pastor shared with me portions of Scripture I had never read? No! Did he have a "debate" with me about their meaning? Nope! He just shared them with me. And talked of how the resurrection power of the Living Word had transformed his own life.

Very, very humbly he shared these things with me ...

Somewhat humbly (far less than the example before me) I accepted what he had to say. Why? Sadly, due to where I was in life. God had patiently brought me to "the end of myself," as He often has to do to get our attention.

How? Not so much to salvage my marriage, as I had much "work" to do in forgiving my wife and she me, as is foundational to "healthy" relationships between most people. No, the key was my children. Particularly my baby daughter. I was failing her in the most fundamental way possible and threatening her future with looking too much like my own past.

That was unacceptable to me. And the reason why I was humbled, before Almighty God, to uhhh ... "reconsider" how bright I really was. How much I really knew. Especially about His word and what was "right" ...

"For the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and of spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart. And no creature is hidden from his sight, but all are naked and exposed to the eyes of him to whom we must give account."

Hebrews 4:12-13

"... living and active ..." His words, not mine. Thankfully, in the spring of 1984, I submitted and surrendered my "right" to "reason it out" about who God was and is. And what He has to tell us about who we are ...

I hope someday to read, my friend, that you have done the same.

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In closing, to be as "crystal clear" as I can manage, please accept my statement that I view myself as no different than you. And certainly no better. From an eternal perspective, anyway, I am of the firm belief that we are the same.

Thank you sincerely, for investing your time in our "exchange." There is no more important topic than what you have touched on, in your post here. As he did for me long ago, May God, in His mercy and grace, grant that in your seeking you ultimately find Him.

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P.S. You write,

Far too much of the Bible makes perfect sense, whether I like some of the implications or not.
While I say far too much of the Bible makes NO SENSE or has no relevance today.
Like the Proverbs 31 wife.

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