A Legacy and Not So Precise Precision Shooting

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”Dad, I was wondering, since you mentioned grandpa’s old rifles, do you have ammo so I could try them out?”
”Is 1000 enough or do I have to go buy more?”

Single shot bolt rifle in unexperienced hands, it’ll take me a while to go through over a 1000 .22LR bullets but I’ll bite!

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My grandfather from my fathers side, who died before I was born, was an avid competition shooter and apparently really good at it. My dad inherited his guns but the three target shooting rifles haven’t been shot at all after my grandfather died over 30 years ago. I now have the privilage to practise shooting with those guns, which by the way are in pristine condition still.

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Along with shooting, my grandpa build target changing thingies so your lazy ass doesn’t have to walk the 50 meters and back to change the target. We still have several different sizes in storage.

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I would have been happy with a random piece of styrox board with an X drawn in the middle so I could just get familiar with the gun but no no no that was not an option. First we had to call someone to find targets and drive 40km to get them, then dad made me and brother change tires and move an old car so we could get access to the target changing thingy. Then the thingy needed to be dragged into the field and I set up a ghetto platform to shoot from my brothers garage. I also put up the most important thing to ensure my comfort in the Finnish summer evening, a Thermacell mosquito repellant, 10/10 do recommend. After all day running around and setting things up, I could finally shoot.

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I had a choice of Finnish, Russian (USSR back then) and a German gun, and I chose the Finnish one. German one was missing the sights and the Russian had a weird ass trigger that is way too sensitive to start with. The Valmet Leijona Standard felt good in my hands and simple enough to operate. Be on the lookout for the foreign guns for their debut on the blockchain at a later date.

Question for you gun pros, how the fuck does one get their sights zeroed when you can’t shoot to begin with!?



There are so many variables and as a total noobie, I can’t yet be sure what exactly made me miss the bullseye. I did notice everything going right and up and I did get the sights adjusted a bit but I can’t be sure.

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I shot a lot and really truly enjoyed it. I was out there alone just shooting for hours on end. I’m not too good yet but this was really my first time when I got to practise at peace and my sights are still a bit out of wack I think. This was my best ten that I ended the evening with and I was pretty pleased to be honest.

The shooting was so relaxing and fun that I’m seriously considering on taking the steps to get my own license.

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I got through about 400 bullets within three or four sessions, to be continued.



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Ps. The palm of my hand is sore from loading the gun so many times, especially from the sticky ass Vostok and Fiocchi cartridges.

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Lol...Cowgirl up princess! 🤣

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It took some serious force to push those bullets in! Lapua and Eley were smooth sailing. I just wanted to use the sticky random bullets and opened backaged first so I can start fresh next time. Apparently these target shooting rifles have a really narrow barrel so even though .22 is .22, there are differences and some don't fit well.

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.22LR rounds are often coated as part of the manufacturing process. It's shit, but the way it is. Some are worse than others. I use CCI mainly, but I'm not sure you can get them. Still coated though.

Also, kudos for 400 rounds through a single shot rifle. Good effort.

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…the 30 years in storage might not be the best for some coated ammo…

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Yeah, 30 years is a long time to store ammunition, but I guess it depends how its stored also. If they fire then it's all good! 😆

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Oh, I had a pack of CCI’s, see the pic! Shot them, didn’t give me any grief and they are available here.

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Early morning here, eyes not working so well. I took a look and yep, that's them. I've always found them to be good. Not that I shoot rimfire much, but when I do it's CCI mostly.

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It's good to see the journey a new shooter takes and you're doing a great job.

Just on the gun zero-no shooting thing...

When I set up a new scope I bore sight it to get it close to the target and it's quite incredible how close one can get the scope in this way. This is often done in the gunshop too if they are mounting the scope but I do it all myself.

Bore sighting is done by removing the bolt and looking down the barrel at the target (in my case 100m away) and moving the scope (cross hairs) to the target manually and by eye. It is never ever good enough to be called zeroed but will save time and ammunition during the process. If a scooe is so far away from zero and the rounds are not landing on the target how does one adjust? There is equipment to help do this, laser bore sighters, but I don't use them. I'm an old school dude.

With iron sights it's not so easy but is essentially the same process.

I hope that helps somewhat.

Keep up the good work and who knows sometime soon that man of yours might hook you up with a decent shooter of your own..So, get your license in preparation for the day you knucklehead! 😉

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I understood maybe half of that, great. I’ll need to look into it when I’m back at homehome next time. We might change up some things on the guns anyways since there are all sort of parts to go with them. I did ask for a different butt plate(?) already since I found the current one to be really slippery, but I didn’t have time to test out any of them yet. There is a cabinet full of gun related things that I have no idea of what they are.

Unless there is a total destruction of the society as we know it, my man better get me girly shit instead of a gun as a Christmas gift 🤣

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Half is enough. It's on your radar so that's enough for now. I've been shooting for over 30 years and still learn so you'll never know it all. The thing with shooting and other stuff is that most people don't know what they don't know...Until they know. You know? 😁

Butt plate is the right term, yes. A slippery one won't work so well. I use rubber ones with some additional rubber padding however on rimfire rifles they aren't required as there is little to no recoil. Go to the hardware store and gut a roll of that tape with a surface like a sandpaper, the grip stuff. It'll solve the slippery butt plate issue.

Lol, yeah he better do that first, buy you some diamonds and high heeled shoes, hand bags and perfume and the guns can come later, although if he was to get you a gun I think you'd be just as happy.

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But how amazing is learning something new!?

No recoil but I still found it annoying that the gun was slipping. There were a variety of butts available (lol) but just have to figure out which is for what gun. Haha, I actually have that grip stuff, I sometimes put it on the ball of my shoes on very slippery pairs 😅

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See how being girly and needing non-slippery shoes and GUNS align? One supports the other. 🤣

If the rifle is slipping your shooting will suck, plain and simple. Eliminate all of these small things and you'll start shooting way better. It's part of the learning process. And yes, acquiring a new skill is so good. Beware though, once down the rabbit hole with firearms it becomes a long journey. Costly too, but enjoyable. ✅

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If the scope is off target, I initially move closer until it hits. Then I can adjust it center, and back up; and begin setting it up right.

There is also a cheat I have used when I'm saving ammo. I stablize the gun with bags of lead shot for shotgun loading, shoot the target without moving the rifle, and move the crosshairs onto the center of the hole in the target. It is always pretty close....

Develop a breathing timing that gives you time to squeeze the trigger in a methodical fashion. I like to inhale deep, dump half of the breath, then hold half...and squeeze. Black powder has taught me to maintain the sight picture, after the gun goes off. Doing so with modern powder will decrease the size of the group, which surprised me at first.

Welcome to shooting, there are a lot of people here that can help you in this journey.

Stay safe!

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Moving closer helps for sure. I always bore sight though so my first round goes on the target. There's loads of different ways, same as the breathing.

I squeeze the trigger at the natural pause at the exhale of breath when my body is most relaxed and grounded and I never hold a breath when shooting. My shooting process happens like, well, like breathing, these days. Thousands of rounds will do that. 😁

It's good to see Eve getting into shooting a little huh? More the merrier.

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I get a lot of rifles that people have messed with until they gave up, and then asked for help! Sonetimes it is a real challenge....

But I have several bore site lasers in a brass casing that save me time. One scope had been cranked so far the mechanism dropped off, and wouldn't come back.

Stopping with half a breath allows me to distract myself, and I get a smoother trigger pull. Have you tried to shoot between heart beats? That might be too much distraction.

I was happy to see another shooter get bit by the plinking bug! This post was fun to read. My wife used to outshoot me at skeet, and she is a dead shot with a pistol still. Girls can do very well, and are safer armed and trained!

Her Grandfather would approve I'm sure!

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The heart beat thing is a difficult thing to master and in my opinion can only be used effectively if all the other aspects are so second nature that they are not even thought about. If one is thinking about all the other little things focusing on the heartbeat and shooting between it becomes an overload and can affect everything else. It's a factor though if course.

I've found more success in free-recoiling to be honest as it doesn't take a lot of focus although my shooting process is so second nature that I rarely think much about it. Free recoiling largely takes the body element out if the mix, but is not appropriate for every situation either.

I guess long range shooting is hard. If not then everyone would be doing it. At closer range the above doesn't come into play much at all.

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True, one must 'reach'...to reach! I like the taste (idea) of shooting betw=n heartbeats, but may nevef figure out hiw to do it, without jerking the trigger.

When all other aspects are second nature

Pretty much sums it up. Clawing my way up that hill, but not even close yet! But it's a fun climb....

I'll look at free-recoiling!

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You'll get there, you have the right attitude. Free-recoiling is shooting with the butt off the shoulder to minimise any input from the body. Takes a lot of practice but can be very effective.

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Bad idea with my 300 win mag...I need all the shoulder contact I can with that one! I use the sling and my right shoulder, to hold my rifle stable; freeing my right hand to squeeze the trigger.

I'll play with it on some of the lighter calibre rifles, sounds like an interesting shooting method.

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It's not a technique designed for heavy calibres although I'd like to meet the person who tries it on a .50 cal. That'd be funny. Clearly it's a thing suited to certain situations but it's effective when mastered.

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The recoil pad on the 300, is Very soft so it can spread out and connect with more my shoulder; under recoil pressure.

I want a 50 BMG, but I won't try this with it! :-) I do have plans for building one, looking for the materials now.

Be blessed.

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You and @galenkp have had a whole conversation in here without me noticing! I need to keep a better eye on what’s happening in my turf 🤓

What is this powder you speak of? Me no understand.

It’s interesting to hear everyones different methods and practises on what they think works the best for them. I’m sure it’s gonna take quite a long time to and lots of practise to find what I think works for me. I do hope I get to shoot again soon because it’s definitely something I want to know how to do, you’ll never know when one might need that knowledge.

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You and @galenkp have had a whole conversation in here without me noticing! I need to keep a better eye on what’s happening in my turf

Lol...Yeah we took over!

What is this powder you speak of? Me no understand.

Powder simply refers to gun powder; The propellant used to push the projectile through the barrel and out the muzzle to travel downrange. Black powder is the early form of chemical explosive. The term is used to differentiate it from the more modern smokeless variety we use today. See below. Fortunately we don't have to shoot like this anymore, but it's a lot of fun.

It’s interesting to hear everyone's different methods and practises

When you get good at shooting, which takes time as you say, the only way to get better is to try new things. I did that with the free-recoiling scenario and found some benefit in it in certain situations. The testing and evaluation of new techniques can be very enjoyable. You're actually already on that path you know...Remember we were talking about trigger-finger position a few days ago? Trying things out is you testing and evaluating.

And yes, one never knows when one may need skills that most do not have; I couldn't agree more.

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I get that there is powder in them cartridges, but what does that have to do with the sights? If any with these modern guns and ammo.

Trying out different technigues is important in learning a skill like shooting, but I also think sometimes it’s better to do what comes naturally to you. At least I feel like if I get too much in my head, it’s just distracting. I’m obviously a natural at anything I try so I just trust my instincts 😝👸🏼

So, about new skills, when you gonna learn how to knit mittens? 😝

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but what does that have to do with the sights?

When shooting a black powder firearm one must hold the sight-picture longer as the projectile travels more slowly down the barrel. With my 6.5mm Creedmoor for instance the muzzle speed is about 2900fps (feet/second). A black powder rifle could be as low as 400fps up to about 2000fps. So, as the projectile is moving through the barrel the shooter must hold the sight-picture or they will not shoot accurately.

sometimes it’s better to do what comes naturally to you

To some degree I agree for sure although there's a few things that really need to be done the same...If doing the wrong thing comes naturally it's *still doing the wrong thing. Let's say breathing incorrectly during the trigger-pull when long-range shooting. It will affect the shot despite maybe feeling natural.

The trick is to make the things we have to do feel natural.

Don't get too much in your head. There is a set process for learning to shoot well no matter what firearm is being I guess...They didn't give you the hardest thing at the very first instant. There's the saying walk before you run for a very good reason. :)

I’m obviously a natural at anything

Naturally. 😁

I'll get onto the mittens, for sure. :)

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Sorry, thought you were following. The powder is the propellant inside the brass case. With center fired ammunition, it is less expensive to reload old brass, into a new round; that can be fired again. Each load needs a specific powder, in a precise amount, with a selected projectile; so when assembled, you have a 'new' bullet.

Reloading allows the round to be tuned to the rifle, for best accuracy. It also allows light loads for small game, or fast loads for varmit shooting.

Knowledge is important, and can help you through tight situations. Find a local shooter, that can teach you the right way to shoot. It gives you a support group, and will help your practice become more accurate. Shooting relaxes me, and gets me out in the sun. It is a fun hobby, that can never be truly mastered; I'm still learning all the time myself. I'm learning how to shoot, and build flintlocks right now. I just bought some flints that were prepared (manufactured) in the 17th century....

@galenkp is a good source for shooting information, and I will be happy to answer your questions. Shooting is a good skill for a young Lady to know, it makes her safer in a changing world!

Be blessed.

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very cool, fun rifle to shoot and cheaper than any other. I like this setup you got here.

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Free for me so far 😝 But I’m afraid if I get my own license, it’s gonna be yet another expensive hobby for me 😫

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yes, it's really expensive where I live, ammo is worth more than gold. I have an old Winchester rifle that costs $3 usd for one round. Of course I never shoot it. 22 is the best to shoot for fun because it's relatively cheap.

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Glad you had a good time! I smiled at the words under the first picture... 1000 is never enough!

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Well as it seems I can go through quite a bit in a few hours 😅

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Yes, and those hours can feel like minutes! That's with bolt action, with an automatic you can really bury yourself in empty brass!

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You're scarily accurate for someone who 'cant shoot' lol.

Those amo boxes remind me of photographic film.

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Imagine me when I learn to shoot 😏

Haha and yes definitely has some resemblance!

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Practice. I like to exhale, pause, and squeeze the trigger. Become accustomed to the rifle. See where the bullets group. Wait to make adjustments until you are confident in your fundamentals. When all your shots are as small a group as you can achieve when you aim consistently for the bullseye, then worry about adjusting the sights to bring that group the center.

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There is definitely grouping in most of my shots, but it’s not a tight group and there is always some one off shots that are way outside the group. Maybe I need to just give it a rest and focus on other things until all my bullets go through the same hole 😝

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The flyers are reminders to practice more!

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Considering the fact that I’ve shot maybe less than 1000 bullets in my whole life, counting in an air gun, it’s safe to say that I need more practise 🤣

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If you still have access to an air rifle, it's a perfect way to practice all the fundamentals of breathing, trigger control, & sight alignment. A real firearm is WAY more fun, though!

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This is much more relevant for pistols but still applies to rifles. Slowly squeeze the trigger, as slow as you can, so that the shot is a surprise. That should isolate any pulling you're doing with the trigger finger.

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With this particular gun I know it isn’t a factor. The trigger has zero slack and it’s very sensitive since it’s meant for competetive precision shooting.

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For zeroing with iron sights, if you can't get any groups, try eating a meal. During one of my qualifications with the army, I couldn't zero my weapon because I had too much coffee. After lunch I was able to zero and qualify no problem. Always bring snacks to the range.

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I can be somewhat consistent on getting most of the shots in the same sector, they just happen to be off the center 😅 My ”range” is at homehome so the fridge ain’t that far and there is no time pressure, other than having to have dad keep an eye on what I do with the gun since I don’t have a license.

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Nice choice on rifle.

A d looks like you learned how to zero that nicely. And yeah it's a process of learning and adjustment.

Great job!!!!

Puppy dog approved!

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There are no bad rifles here 😝

I wouldn’t say I learned really, I just click click click until it seemed like the bullets where going somewhat on the direction I wanted them to go.

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Well. For different rounds they go different places.

Difference in powder, velocity, weights, and you have a new point of impact.

Watch a ton of YouTube videos.

And you have a solid base in the knowledge. Great job!!!!!

And now? Just don't stop learning. And start working your form and fundamentals of marksmanship.

Awesome job!!!!

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