100% downvote on this post from acidyo an hour ago
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100% downvote on this post from acidyo an hour ago
Step one: scare all your critics into NOT VOTING (so nobody "opposes you")
Step two: convince people who might vote for lower ranked witnesses that they "don't understand" the technical aspects and or they need to do "more research"
Step three: vote for yourself and claim "the community supports me"
EVERY WITNESS SHOWN BELOW IS CONSIDERED RADIOACTIVE
(IFF) you disagree with steemcleaners and or spaminator and or hivewatchers (THEN) stop voting for witnesses who support them and their universal blacklist
YOU HAVE 30 WITNESS VOTES AND IF YOU VOTE FOR FEWER THAN 30 WITNESSES, IT DOES NOT INCREASE THE VALUE OF YOUR VOTE
EVERY WITNESS SHOWN BELOW IS CONSIDERED RADIOACTIVE
FREEZEPEACH AND r0nd0n ARE THE GOOD-GUYS
FREEZEPEACH AND r0nd0n ARE THE GOOD-GUYS
@r0nd0n why are you supporting these downvoters ?
30 FREE-SPEECH WITNESSES
LET'S CONSIDER SUPPORTING EACH OTHER
@bdcommunity
@brofund
@cadawg
@clicktrackprofit
@dbuzz
@discovery-it
@dragosroua
@earn.hive
@enginewitty
@fernandosoder
@helo
@imwatsi
@jamzed
@jedigeiss
@kristall97
@lapingvino
@mintrawa
@pcste
@perfilbrasil
@pishio
@pizza.witness
@primersion
@r0nd0n
@reazuliqbal
@shmoogleosukami
@sicarius
@techcoderx
@thealliance
@ura-soul
@whiterosecoffee
ZOMBIEBASICTRAINING
+proHUMAN +proFAMILY
Your scathing critique is requested.
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Sorry but how is this relevant to what witnesses do? Should I make posts asking everyone to vote me every time I do something positive on Hive aside from producing blocks? Would be a bit weird no? So why is it less weird to make a post spam tagging people to unvote a witness cause you got downvotes or disagreed with that person downvotes?
it's not "spam" if the people tagged are upvoting my post
Seems a bit desperate is all. Not like you're being censored, I found this post on peakd's trending and I have you muted.
interesting dime-store psychoanalysis
so, what "message" were you trying to send with that 100% downvote ?
That this isn't content nor rewardworthy and I've lost a lot of respect of some of the upvoters voting this garbage up or agreeing with the message. If they did it manually.
If witnesses started colluding to actually delete/edit posts from blocks on the other hand, I'd join you in unvoting them as that's actual censorship.
should everyone pre-submit their work to you personally to see if you approve ?
No I use my downvotes if I don't approve of something being rewarded, you can too!
Alright done wasting time for today, go do something of value for once.
Do the posts on the Trending page all deserve their rewards?
What's wrong with new authors who are active, receive engagement and post content people enjoy consuming getting rewards?
I do agree though that some authors rancho seems to want to vote too often for some reason should receive some downvotes to adjust the rewards, as I've done with tatoodjay and many others in the past. Also those engaging actively in votetrading or delegating in exchange for votes that goes against proof of brain.
What's wrong with authors that have been here for years, receive engagement and support (maybe not always on Hive and post content people that aren't you enjoy consuming and getting rewards?
Nothing. And there is nothing with the posts on the Trending page getting $100.
I'm not the one downvoting. I don't downvote shit.
Aside from @urasoul most of my downvotes have been on those "dead" influencers mentioned in the comments of this post or what I said in my previous comment.
Do you think it's fun spending countless hours arguing about downvotes? What do you think my agenda is, to "silence" people on an immutable blockchain or to protect the rewardpool from loud complainers.
PS. It would be cool if people knew what I usually downvote or what else I do on hive than going full retard like logiczombie (he didn't choose a good username) and accusing me of whatever bs it is he is.
did you accidentally vote for my post ?
@v4vapid: 11.629
@tribesteemup: 3.265
@j85063: 0.603
@deepdives: 0.595
@informationwar: 0.458
@frankbacon: 0.451
@zyx066: 0.427
@kristall97: 0.381
@anthonyadavisii: 0.355
@pishio: 0.315
@lighteye: 0.287
@steemflagrewards: 0.277
@drakos: 0.210
@operahoser: 0.180
@mysearchisover: 0.172
NO
I Intentionally UPvoted it 100% because!
I hope THIS answers your question directly. HIVE!Regards ✊😎🥓👍
No, I did it intentionally, @logiczombie
thanks for clearing that up
definitely not an accident
phenomenal
Was I not supposed to?
apparently acidyo is making some sort of list
No, I didn't accidentally upvote this post. I upvoted it to show support for content creators and communities who are being specifically targeted with massive downvotes. Plus, you're comment section is often quite lively.
That being said, I don't agree with everything in your post, rather that it's a fair discussion to have concerning calcification of top 21 witnesses. From my experience in the space, DPOS systems tend to inevitably devolve into cartels. I think this is an unintended feature of the system and one that is not easily resolved and/or find ways to put in place some sort of safeguards against it.
And we just look like idiots if we vote for witnesses that downvote us and delegate to those downvoting us.
So you've literally spent no time checking what else I downvote or why I downvote things but assume that I'm targeting specific creators and/or communities?
Cartels are real on eos, we've discussed this in the past, on Hive only a fraction of inflation goes to witnesses so users can easily overcome any vote-trading and also make noise about such actions. The garbage you voted up above is not such "noise" of real concern, more like a baby crying because someone took away undeserving rewards of content creators which he doesn't agree with and went on a rant.
Reading the comment below, you agree you look like an idiot for voting for a witness who uses his downvote mana on disagreement of rewards? I'm starting to think you've all lost your minds before the pandemic began.
I have spent some time looking at your downvoting patterns with HiveSQL and other large stake holders. I don't assume anything. From what I can tell, you spread out your downvotes across a wide range of users and communities. My comment is not directed at you personally.
Do I agree that I look like an idiot for voting for witnesses who use their downvotes on disagreement on rewards?
Is that a fact?
Is that what I think?
Who is assuming?
Simply because I upvote a comment or post does not mean that I agree with it.
I think disagreement of opinion, while maintaining respect, is healthy for discussions and for the ecosystem as a general principal.
If it's a disagreement on rewards, that's fine. However, this justification leaves open the possibility that some large downvoters can use this argument to cover for disagreement of opinion or in some instances abuse of the free downvote mana. What I mean here, is that when users challenge the downvotes (justified or not) they are ridiculed and have all of there recent posts zeroed simply for displaying their frustration or asking for the reason for the downvotes.
We often tell downvoters, to stop bitching, crying and ranting... instead of listening to their concerns constructively.
You and I have something in common, we both have been blessed with sizeable delegations. I think you would also agree that with these large delegations comes great responsibility.
You're one of the few downvoters that is willing to try to communicate your downvotes, that is more than I can say for other large accounts that downvote users into oblivion without so much as a single comment.
In terms of cartels, my point is that they can and do occur in DPOS ecosystems. The amount of Hive going to witnesses is not really the point. It's the concentration of Hive/HP into smaller and smaller inner groups. This would also include whales and large curation trails and with more HP deciding on what is and what isn't valued content/contributions to the ecosystem. Now, you could argue that this is simply 'aligning incentives' or another view is that this could represent the centralization of a decentralized ecosystem.
I agree with you that zero'ing content is never good and I personally am against it, even some users that have close to 0 interactions but are leeching off autovotes I don't zero. Better to just disincentivize both voter and author a little so they improve.
You voted up a witchhunt post that not only attempts to defame my actions but also spreads nonsense and lies and encourages people to proxy witness votes which should've been a lesson many should've learned during the hive hardfork and airdrop, whether or not you agree it's still not something that should be encouraged and you as a responsible delegatee should know that.
On top of that you decide to unvote our witness which, let's not even get into what we do for hive and value we bring, but because you disagree with our downvotes? It's nice that you mention that I have been vocal about my actions but at the same time it's not something that should be discouraged and punished while others who don't attempt to protect the rewardpool from what they believe is overrewarded content from little to no value creators but are pretty much afk and do nothing get to go on in blissful ignorance without any repercussions.
Maybe we should split part of the rewardpool towards the downvote mana cause all I get from downvoting is endless arguments and bullshit like this. Yes, it's great that we can create posts like these and bring up issues, that puts us aside from EOS by a mile already and many other dpos chains, but at least have the decency to decline rewards so you don't encourage half the crazies, vulgar and straight up delusional people I've had to deal with lately to continue stirring shit up. Especially when it's unfounded.
"Hive is an epic fail wankfest." -Dan Larimer, Steem/Hive founder
Hive is basically a communist party of 21 board members led by chairman
blocktrades. All the rest are rank and file commandeering a brigade of useful idiots on Discordplease consider reviewing your witness votes
each and every account has exactly 30 witness votes assigned
UNUSED votes are de facto votes for the oligarchy
Nope. It was manual. And because I'm not a fan of the few hypocrite self-righteous whales wanting to control everybody while they milk the rewards themselves. It's been going on since ages on STEEM/HIVE.
well, this witness vote thing seems to have grabbed their attention
To be honest, it's not a real threat to the highly placed positions, they have whale votes that cannot be easily displaced by the minnow votes. Before HIVE forked, there was a super whale (freedom aka pumpkin) with the #1 stake, he could swing the top 20 witnesses. He stopped voting after the STEEM debacle, so that leaves blocktrades with that ability, because he is now the #1 stakeholder. However, it's the thought that counts, every vote matters.
it certainly seems to have caused something of a stir
if you really don't think your vote matters, perhaps consider setting me as a proxy
I've been a witness for 4 years, I know how that game works and who I'm voting for, and I choose carefully.
see, that's the part i don't get
if you think you can't change anything
then is your vote just some sort of token fealty or loyalty oath ?
I am sad I accidentally didn't vote it up. Trying to fix that in comments now.
No accident for deepdives and informationwar
The @informationwar and @deepdives upvote both follow eachother, if @informationwar upvotes something so does @deepdives, and vice versa.
In cases of our upvoting, we read the super majority of a post and then manually upvote it.
See, all it takes is more friends in the hive than on the referee's side.
Why they would downvote a comment that doesn't have an upvote can only be about the reputation.
His is lower than your's, so it has no impact on you.
Seems odd behavior out of one that should know all that.
Your pretense that flagging isn't censorship reveals the essential deception that underlies your use of the position of witness to censor speech you personally disagree with, despite that VP being availed you for your defense of the chain that potentiates that speech.
I reckon you should stick to your knitting or resign your position as you are abusing it. If you aren't competent to use the dictionary definition to support your position on what is or isn't censorship, I've no interest in delivering VP to you, especially when you fail to grasp that the single most valuable aspect of Hive is free speech - not it's token. The worse censorship becomes elsewhere, the more valuable free speech becomes. That's what gives the token value in a world flooded with tokens.
Free speech is literally a life and death issue in a great many ways, and pretense that speech translated into Assembly language isn't censorship is a load of bollocks. People can die because of censorship, and some may already have because Hive has allowed too much of it.
The gravy train you ride is availed solely because of free speech. The reason Hive didn't long ago surpass BTC in valuation is because of censorship and dissembling about it.
Don't kill the goose laying golden eggs.
tag @theycallmedan - case in point
tag @ryzeonline - case in point
tag @valued-customer - case in point
Great witness list.
apparently we struck a nerve
the real kill move is the dump, the dump to move to another real free speech direct block chain access pool reward system ala steemit... it was all along a scam, dpos... lol. but I like your idea of revolution in the context of dpos. I find it funny as it reflect the problem with representative democracies once captured (hive was designed as the ground up as captured, btw).
That user and another have been reposting content, one of them has appealed and gotten out of hivewatchers blacklist as far as I know.
Do you even do any research at all or just blatantly jump on any opportunity to give anyone you don't agree with shit like OP?
Im glad you asked...
Im privy to KYC.
I had a PHONE CALL with The author of this post.
And "Research"?
Go see if youre even responding to the right person. I have every reason to be here
I know she's connected to alejandrop and he was also blacklisted for a while for reposting content and then got off of it with a warning. Figured it was the same issue there.
She's not even blacklisted anymore? Why did you post a screenshot saying 4h ago, lol.
MeditateoniT
HOW TO VOTE
you can click each of the witness names in the list and select "approve witness" at the top right of their profile
Seeing as things got so borked on HIVE, I have
reconsidered my not voting policy in favor of
proxying my witness votes to your selection.
this is a great honor
Thanks so much for researching 30 Free-Speech Witnesses!
I think this will make a fantastic asset for conscientious HIVE-
folk to consider when voting for a witness who better represents
their interests. Is there any pathway that witnesses might consider
to make your list on the off chance that it grows beyond 30?
No problem.
I honestly didn't want to do this, I thought I could just proxy my vote to some reasonable person, but every account I looked at supported witnesses who had either downvoted me directly or downvoted someone I know.
I'm willing to talk to any of the witnesses, I've had conversations with blocktrades and marky and guilty and even logic and I'm convinced they are intelligent and well intentioned individuals.
I never expect to agree or disagree with ANYONE 100% on everything.
If I can't disagree with you on 50% of what you believe, then I'm not a proper skeptic.
Never blindly agree - - NEVER BLINDLY DISAGREE
Let them eat monkey stew.
hypnotic
I'm not really for or against hivewatchers or the other anti abuse groups, Hive watchers does a good deal of good handling very obvious abuse and scams etc BUT.. I do find they make quite a few false flags and also their attitude to people trying to sort stuff out can be quite terrible sometimes.. Hense why I don't directly support them.
Generally I stay neutral.
I AGREE
this looks perfect
they are full on cia/nwo assets.
IF YOU DON'T WANT TO THINK ABOUT THIS
Here's an easy option,
click here,
https://wallet.hive.blog/~witnesses
scroll to the bottom of the list and add logiczombie as your proxy
do I lose the few I have already done?
that's my current ones :
I didn't knew that the first was still a fucking censornazi... I will check... thanks logiczombie for your endeavor, the empire of war supports you, peacefully :).
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I can't support this as the very first one on your list of "Free Speech Supporters" is bogus. An Anti-Free-Speech charlatan who fights against "the good guys" if they dare point out the Rothschild cabal in any way shape or form. He then proceeds to lie and engage in LIBEL against those he wishes to SILENCE. He then goes on about how it is still on the blockchain so "you still have your free speech".
Credibility, is earned or lost by such support. I see that you are trying to do a good thing, but perhaps you are a little quick on the 'good guy' label.
This is only an example. It went on from there and he did not retract, nor rectify, nor admit any error whatsoever. You were aware of it too. So, can you tell me why you support him a for "Free Speech"? Perhaps you forgot?
https://peakd.com/hive/@oldoneeye/anti-semite-when-the-argument-is-lost-and-you-have-no-logic#@oldoneeye/re-frot-qoh2nd
I didn't detect any downvotes, only disagreement.
Disagreement is good.
Downvoting for differences of opinion is bad.
Any other suggestions ?
As long as those whales are in charge of the raping and pillaging, and that raping and pillaging is still allowed, the only suggestion I have is, don't feed the beast. Your time is more valuable than tossing it into their demon pit lies, deceit, obfuscation, and general bullshit.
This is a dark place as it stands. I am amazed that there are any real humans left at all.
They need the top 18 spots in order to make any changes to the code.
I'm not trying to "change the world" but apparently merely talking about witness votes has them twitching.
Why else would acid bother giving me a 100% downvote ?
You have 30 witness votes - AND IF YOU DON'T USE THEM, THE OLIGARGHS WIN BY DEFAULT.
The least you can do is to get under their skin a little by voting for NOT the current top 50.
True. At one time I would have cared to. Right now it just doesn't matter to me anymore since it is a distant triple digit on my list of priorities. The world is having its tracks laid for the next stage.
As I have said before, I would rather spend my time on something that isn't toxic infested already. I'll get to the witness list thing at least though. Just for principle.
phenomenal
I've always known you to stand on principle.
Props.
"Conceived solely to protect you"
Here, one of my all time favorites:
welcome to the new cult(ure)
Don't forget their fine followup. The Old Man will have a whole lot of new stamps to collect soon. And the record skips on.....
we know of an ancient radiation
Exactly.
And since you removed one of the most heinous offenders from the "Free Speech Supporter"(not sure whateverthefuck gave you that idea in the first place), I CAN support your post(and message).
you are a god among men
he wasn't removed. at least as of now.
That is the offender, well one of.
https://peakd.com/hive-167922/@krunkypuram/cancel-culture-and-the-parameters-of-free-speech-on-leofinance-is-something-amiss-or-am-i-missing-something#@oldoneeye/re-preparedwombat-4gu5yc
This is what started it:
https://peakd.com/hive-167922/@apshamilton/re-lols-4jn7wv
new list
post wasn't updated.
updated now
I didn't proxy you, but I did adjust my votes.
Thanks!
I noticed that you voted for the Hive Witness Node listed at the #7 on your screenshot. It is unknown who the operator of that Hive account is, and they literally (used to) pay HIVE to other users to vote for them as Hive Witness.
as long as they're not downvoting anyone, sharing their witness earnings with their supporters sounds like exactly what curie and curangel and even hivewatchers do.
I really think that we should use our downvotes to downvote those that are publishing categorically illegal content or obvious spam. That said, I don't want to support anyone who buys (Witness) votes.
if i take that one off my list, will you join me ?
I agree with your opinion that we should avoid voting for certain Hive accounts as Hive Witnesses (especially many of the Top 20 Witnesses) to lessen centralization of Hive. However, I still need to know more Hive Witnesses better before I start voting for them.
always name names... but at least you provided the explanation. Let me find again how to correct my mistake :).
ps I like the guy as he among the few in Israel to oppose the vaxxnazis. but as the law is the law :).
This guy always use to come after me for pointing out Israel's crimes. Nothing more hypocritical then a "free speech" or "freedom" advocate that live in and ignores the literally apartheid going on in his/her own country.
you'll have to explain whether it is that you hate kinders, love them, or just want them all.
bullies
the song is about bullies
adults who act like children
ah ok lol I don't know why i was thinking you were speaking for yourself...
poe's law
bullies are demons :).
hurry, censor it!
fucking nazi.
https://peakd.com/hive-167922/@krunkypuram/cancel-culture-and-the-parameters-of-free-speech-on-leofinance-is-something-amiss-or-am-i-missing-something#@oldoneeye/re-preparedwombat-4gu5yc
communities were a scam all along... simply this word "community", I am allergic to it.
I have voted for all in the list.
Awesome.
I have reviewed and adjusted my votes - I still had curie in the mix.
It's more symbolic than anything, but your actions actually pulled me to log in this one more time and let you know I proxied my whopping 5HP to your witness voting. It's all I have left here after pulling my stake more than a year ago, but who knows, maybe there will be a witness or so that will be enough to be the deciding factor for your knocking them out of the top 20. :)
I may be wrong but if we get all the witnesses, we could even erase their holdings? right? that would be fun, to fuck the censors :).
even lunatics deserve individual sovereignty
The point of guerilla war is not to succeed. It's always been just to make the enemy bleed.
"I care not what they BCH about! So long as they do it on My Meta!" ~Mark$UCKaBerg
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Via Tenor
informationwarfare
Glad to see you're not just gone.
It should be common knowledge that you don't downvote someone just because you disagree with them. Leave a comment and say your peace or post a contrary argument. I have made you my proxy good sir.
it's psywarfare 101, they won't answer. it's part of their mo, because their trainers know that by engaging in reason or logic, they may lose the neural inprint of their minions. it's only high ranking officers who may attempt to engage but only on limited issues. their biggest risk is that by engaging they will lose their mind hive control :).
I don't disagree with these posts being rewarded.
So according to you it's not okay to downvote someone based on disagreement but it's okay to start a witchhunt to unvote their witnesses based on disagreement?
As a witness... You should be familiar with the concept of Bad Publicity!
As a curator I should keep adjusting rewards up and down how I believe brings the most value to Hive. I'm not one for politics.
And its why you're off my witness list FOR now 🥓😎👍
Nothing personal 🙏🖕🙏
Just Business.
And my Human Write to INFLUENCE Other's Decisions... Is on Overdrive ATM so HIVE!Reguards. And well wishes. ✌️❤️🥓
I just don't agree with people using cheap tactics and lame reasons to attempt to get others to unvote.
i have no gifts to bestow and no threats at my disposal
So you're out of political influence?
wait, an unvote demands a higher standard of evidence than a downvote ???
I'd argue that there shouldn't be a downvote button at all. And yes, I threw a few of my votes in when I discovered Hive without knowing the politics. Now that I know there is a segment of the population here that are willing to hide another person's words, I wish to re-allocate my votes.
Your words from a brandnew account mean way less than any downvoted comment could ever.
I hope I'm the only "brandnew account" you respond to with such contempt. I imagine Splinterlands has been bringing a ton of them, me being among them.
GRRREAT Comeback!
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Via Tenor
Then maybe read what I said, I didn't downvote due to disagreement of opinion, although I disagree with him spreading misinformation about me trying to "censor" people which is ridiculous. I disagree with shit like this being reward worthy content, especially when it's the same people voting it up who have their agenda and dislike my downvotes on valueless influencers milking the rewardpool.
How about you suck a bag of dicks? 🍆
This be a good point 👆
Is that the best comeback you could pull off? You just got owned by a newcomer right in your face, boo-hoo 🤭
The downvote is the mechanism that prevents spam and scams. For those reasons it's necessary.
I can see that as a necessary reason to have it 🙂. It's difficult for people not to abuse it when they can apply it with great force against a community member who might be saying something offensive or what-have-you. You're gonna find people who say stuff that you believe is complete quackery, while I might not believe a lot of it, let em say it if they don't have it on 24/7 repeat.
You're thinking of flagging, downvotes can have more reasons.
I do not see a separate button for flags and downvotes. They are one and the same thing, AFAIK.
It is not the same thing. Witnesses are supposed to effect and defend Hive. The most valuable aspect of Hive is free speech, and if they're attacking that, they're failing at their job of defending Hive.
I disagree anyone that flags because of their personal opinion is worthy of my VP. A house divided against itself will fall.
Protect the walls and the occupants, or you're not protecting the Hive.
Again he's spreading misinformation about me, same as you are here by thinking I'm downvoting things cause I don't agree with them. He literally got caught redhanded attempting to degrade my character cause he couldn't bother reading a "short shitpost" he later judged me for getting half of the rewards of. I'm done talking to all of you bunch.
I appreciate the measured reply. However, I observe the downvotes with my own eyes on every comment he makes, as well as the upvotes he has cast on your own.
You are a literal demented moron unable to see yourself in front of the mirror because your head is deeply seated in your shithole while chanting the mantra viva "revolution" on discord
what discord are you talking about?
also who even are you? not surprised about your reputation but how come you're even commenting on my stuff
You need help, seriously. Just like Joe Biden, do you even know who you are? 🤣
Ah you're the lucylin fanboy, yeah I'm the one who needs help, what are you doing with your life?
I piss off dumb motherfuckers like you are 🖕
You think you're pissing me off? You're just proving my points.
Keep telling yourself that, eventually you'll fool yourself chief
I'm not the one listening to dan larimer and doing quite okay in my other investments, but hive is and will always be by primary focus and I'm happy to do some grunt work to protect the reward pool from cancer like you.
Who the fuck cares about what you do? Hive is centralized trash. It's like caring about Facebook future. Web 3.0 my ass, lmao 🤣
Why are you here then? Thanks for the free tx/day. :D
I'm sitting on here just to shit and pee occasionally on this centralized shitcoin. Don't assume anything
Yet you go on a rampage over a comment downvote. 🤣
Rampage where? Was merely correcting your blatant lies projected onto others who dare expose the inner workings of the hive cabal 🤷♀️
Imagine citing Hive "reputation" system 😆
Doesn't say much but in your case it fits.
You've got to be a mega level stupid to cite Hive "reputation"
"Hive was a massive failure." -Dan Larimer, Steem/Hive creator
Yeah he's definitely someone to source cause EOS did well with billions in funding.
"Hive fails bigly. I created it, know better than anyone else." -Dan Larimer, Steem/Hive creator
I been free speech since day 1. Got in some arguments and flagged several times because of it, but I ain't going away.
The only way to have free speech, is to back it with MAD against the opponents.
imho they have hardened the lines to this point. it's sad and potentially really tragic, unless you are the first to wipe the other.
remember they are the enemies of mankind.
How is downvoting a post I didn't feel deserved post rewards on the 6th day censorship or against free speech, mate?
Do you think this post is reward worthy? Is it great content? Or just the usuals jumping to vote it up to fit their narrative cause they don't like my downvotes on content creators that bring literally 0 fucking value to Hive.
Downvote posts on the Trending page that make $100, are a bunch of photos from someone's weekend hike or a day in the kitchen just once and we'll take you seriously.
Guess you should take me seriously then cause I do do that.
Also not even really relevant, many of the people on trending have worked hard to eventually get the rewards they get. Can you say the same about @dbroze, @pressfortruth, @highimpactflix and all the other garbage "influncers" we seem to love to throw stake at?
They're not even linking to Hive from any of their other socials they're milking revenue from.
Watchhowisoar#
Wouldn't really compare a bunch of the same people, half of them having a history of abuse on the chain flocking to the posts of same people constantly - soaring, or compare it to one of my favorite tv shows that was canceled too abruptly.
I agree that these accounts dump content here... Yes. And I have SO many dogs in the fight.... At least 3.
And to be Frank...
Im mor Mal than Markey.
PS, that comment didn't include you, but come on don't ruin firefly for me.
I've personally tried to link to Hive and I use Threespeak on purpose to try to bring political content creators to the blockchain that I know. They don't stay. They don't even try. Because they see someone who doesn't agree with their views downvoting someone's work into oblivion. Some have already had their livelihood attacked elsewhere. Hive should be a place for them to come (along with their audience) and be able to make a living here. It's not. It's toxic. The downvoting doesn't go both ways.
and what about those that were getting tons of votes, constant trending and still didn't even try to use Hive? Should we just let them continue to receive rewards constantly while bringing no value to Hive?
You fail to acknowledge that information has value in and of itself.
Look, I don't fault you for being a Hive booster. I'm quite in favor of it. However, actually boosting requires acknowledging faults and rectifying and mitigating them - not exacerbating them.
As a witness you are not chosen to choose what viewpoints are allowable. Doing that with the VP you are availed as a witness is abusing your position IMHO.
More to the point, as my opinion is of no merit, is that it's definitely discouraging onboarding. You remind me of a cutter saying 'it's better than KYS myself.' It's worse to do everything in your power to completely obliterate someone's voice than just to reduce it's visibility and discourage it's author, but BOTH are censorship.
You should upvote posts you disagree with that make their points well and attract eyeballs, because that increases engagement and onboarding by creating a vibrant discussion. That would be better for Hive than some arbitrary line you draw in the sand based on your judgment of the value brought to Hive.
Like @logiczombie is doing to you.
Hive is more than a device. It's a community of people discussing things that matter to them. Not all people discuss things you think matter, but your opinion is insufficient to account for all of the billions of interests and concerns society has.
Since you are here to protect the community, you should protect the entire community, and particularly those that your opinion doesn't mirror - unless you think you can make Hive work as a one man society.
Yeah I'm sure many feel like I should protect a spammer like logiczombie. Come on.
While you may not agree with his speech, it is disingenuous to call his posts and comments spam, except that here in his blog he has repeated several comments (that I am not upvoting BTW, because they are simply repetition).
As a rule, he puts thought and research into his posts, and does not spam. I've never seen it if he does, and I've been following him for a long time.
It is particularly those we do not agree with whose speech we should protect and consider most carefully. Those that agree with you and only say thing you already know can teach you nothing. Them who disagree and speak things we aren't familiar with can - if considered with an open mind - teach us things we did not know, or show us we are wrong, giving us the opportunity to become right by changing our minds.
Indeed only folks sharing information we are unfamiliar with enable us to learn anything at all.
As a witness you are the wall that defends Hive from spam and scammers, censorship, and technical errors. If the community on Hive must be completely in agreement with you before you will defend their speech here, I do not support your witness.
I urge you in the strongest possible terms to carefully consider that, and to affirm that you are absolutely supportive of free speech, which only has meaning if you support the speech of those you disagree with. Even the worst censors protect their own ideas.
Fyi. I told our curators not to give them big upvotes. Your feedback was heard and acted on. We agree with you on this specific point.
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I didn't down or upvote this bro. Was just commenting on the free speech part since I was tagged 😁
So I did put you as my witness voting proxy :). I hope we will be able to quick those speechnazi out of here, void their holdings and fork to a direct blockchain access system and finally have an UI looking as a forum :).
but the tradeoff was that I lost my own choices...
steempeak
ura-soul
we-the-people
I keep them here so I can find them back if I want to do it manually :).
ura-soul is on the list
steempeak is supported by both acid and guilty
we-the-people is dead
it was only a matter of time before censorship crippled this platform like every other. those are the times we live in. thanks for fighting the good fight, just updated my witness votes for the first time in years =)
it's ok to downvote people associated with other downvoted accounts - - but somehow it's not ok to UNVOTE witnesses associated with the downvoters
Not like I was going out of my way to find who those people are, you were quite spammy.
please be slightly more specific
I literally replied to the comment in question, aside from not reading posts like your cross-post here, can you also not comprehend what you're reading?
you're doing exactly what you say you're against
i simply retransmitted your own post
like a retweet
usually people are happy when their post gets reposted
and I literally told you that it says in the post that it's about web2 which me nor many others here don't care about, as long as it helps shed more attention to Hive I don't care if people trade likes or follows. Yet you're again ignoring the fact that 1. I told you. 2. You cross-posted it without reading just to attempt to throw dirt at me cause you disagreed with some of my downvotes.
It's really fucking ridiculous, childish and borderline cringe. On top of that attempting to get people to unvote witnesses and many of them blindly agreeing cause they don't know better.
i see, so now it's a crime to disagree with you ?
you're the one being "fucking ridiculous, childish and borderline cringe"
and despite your attempts at negative characterization, nobody is "blindly" doing anything
One user in the comments I replied to agreed that he was hasty into doing what you were prompting people to do and took the vote back, left you a long comment explaining why which you ignored because you're probably too busy chasing your narrative or most likely attempting to ride this attention to some rewards by the looks of it.
i speak with futuremind daily
you basically intimidated them
it was pretty disgusting actually
Did I intimidate you? @futuremind
Cause that was not my goal at all. I understand people act quick and don't think about certain things too much, I can go back a few months and pick up any of my comments on that day and probably not agree anymore cause I use the platform casually and am not too worried about the immutability of it all. So I get why he did what he did but I appreciate his messages and that he thought it over, even if he hadn't it wouldn't have meant any repercussions from my side or OCD's activities whatsoever, though.
The difference between you and him is that he's actually providing value to Hive with awesome content.
i'm ever so glad you personally approve
No @acidyo I didn't feel intimidated because I've always considered you to be a rational person (and also a friend) who takes a deep look at all aspects of a situation, and never assumed you would start flagging me unless maybe I was disrespectful towards you. I also have the experience working with you to know you very much do care about the community and empowering content creators who give their best efforts to produce quality content.
I knew you were going to see this post and I didn't wish to be elusive with my proxy decision, even if it was a hasty not properly researched incorrect decision on my part. (that I've corrected by removal of the proxy)
It was (and continues to be) my hopes that my transparency with this decision would further add to the large stake holders perceptive willingness to take a deeper look at some of the political blockchain issues that have been a problem here for a while.
I'm sure there are plenty of content creators who would be rather terrified to stick their necks out there, and go on pretending like everything is perfect around here.
I'm not going to fight battles that I know I can't win. I will simply remove myself entirely from the situation. If my account gets wrecked, I will no longer be a content creator here, and the community will lose what I have to contribute. I'm grateful that this hasn't become the case, and am hopeful that it won't become the case.
The switch from Steem to Hive was very difficult for me, because I do not deal with change well sometimes, and to top it all off, there was an active music community that I was a part of, and I don't think the community was doing the same thing here. I could be wrong about that, I don't remember if the community was on both platforms, but it wasn't long before I quit Steem anyway.
People started calling a communist and I had a severe relapse with alcohol, and then just decided I was done with blogging forever, but my friends assured me that I probably wouldn't be harassed for my decisions because everyone knew my decision was not politically driven with blockchain politics.
Now to address some of my confusion(s).
I have no preconceived notions, just some questions that are not clear to me. (because not all information can be exacted from mere transaction data)
(first a precursor to the question(s))
Seems I remember a general consensus about use of Hive + Steem = Bad
And content creators here being considered disloyal if they posted on Steem and Hive, after the fork. (correct me if I am incorrect please.)
(Questions)
Why do you maintain a large account on Steem still, with active transactions/earnings/transfers?
Is there a Hive related reason for this? Or maybe locked delegated resources or something that you are making use of and transferring gains over to Hive?
(There could be so many perceptions related to the use of Steem, even like .. let's milk Steem to make gains and hard dump on it because of what happened.. not my style but I could see that being a thing.)
How come you are downvoting @logiczombie when other accused high level stake holders/witnesses have expressed they will not?
Is it on the basis of disagreement of the collusion he is accusing you and others of?
It is very upsetting if someone accuses me of something, so I can relate to feelings of immediate anger, but maybe downvoting in this case on the basis of an accusation(s), will serve to make others think he is correct in his accusations.
Maybe the best way to handle this is by proving these claims to be false, instead of causation of harm to his account. I understand your reasoning with the quality of his content, but this is more of a deeply intricate political issue, over a quality content issue.
Because of all of the variables involved, it seems like proving your innocence in relation to the accusations might be rather difficult.
It seems that way to me, because of inactive accounts, unreachable accounts, with delegated resources/proxies, etc.
From what I can see, I have only skimmed the surface of all of this, and find it to be a never ending rabbit hole with a lot of associated accounts, some of which I am not even all that familiar with.
My stance on all of this is neutral at the moment and consider both yourself and logiczombie to be friends of mine.
I want to see what is best for the community, and I really believe you do as well.
I'm hopeful these issues on the blockchain can be resolved in a peaceful manner, or at the very least reduced to a level that is less damaging for everyone. I think in some ways these issues might never be resolved, because we live in a pyramidal structure of power, and no matter how many hard forks are implemented to fix some of these problems, the blockchain will likely always resemble this pyramidal power structure that we are all operating inside of.
I'll continue researching and trying to gain a better insight into all of this.
Thank you kindly for saying I add value to the Hive community, I try my best.
thanks for clearing that up : )
Despite that I disagree with some things stated here, I am quite impressed with your diligence and intent to engage, manifest in your substantive and comprehensive post.
Thanks!
Thank you kindly.
You disagreed with me without having read what I wrote and swiftly attempting to do what you're saying in the last sentence, lol.
Must suck not being able to take that cross-post back, huh?
you make a short post begging people to jump through hoops with the promise of crumbs in the form of upvotes
you should be embarrassed
What's wrong with the upvotes for doing something that may benefit hive such as following the official Hive account? It's literally a platform that works on incentives you dumbass.
I bet you're the one embarrassed with your cross-post, lol.
I do agree post was short but I did spend a lot of time voting up all the comments so I think 50% of the rewards it generated were decently deserved. I don't see you forfeiting half of post rewards nor many others.
if you jump through hoops for rewards you're a mercenary
if you jump through hoops to avoid punishment you're a slave
Does my post history look like I'm jumping through hoops for rewards? I could make 2 posts per day talking about your dumbass and get autovotes but I choose not to and when I do write about something low effort and meaningless like yourself I make sure to forfeit a lot of the rewards to something more valuable. Would be nice if more people did that but hey, we got downvotes.
So you're saying futuremind is a slave because he thought I'd punish him?
please explain how anyone is supposed to know what you personally believe is worthy of reward
Like flagging people whose content is drawing eyeballs and engagement just because you don't happen to agree with it?
Hypocrite much?
Well he's spreading false information about me. Don't you americans usually sue for that?
There are libel laws. Generally financial harm must be alleged in order to seek legal satisfaction, although he's advocating for voting other witnesses which does seem to qualify the circumstances in that regard.
However, you are downvoting his every comment. What he claims, as I understand it, is that you are downvoting his posts and comments, which is plain to see is factually correct.
I learned a long time ago if someone insults you it is useless to defend yourself. If the insult is false, all that should be necessary is stating the facts. If the insult is true, nothing you say can change that fact. I see that you have categorized him as a spammer, have said that you fly flags if you don't think content adds enough value to Hive (which is a pretty subjective and insuperable reason IMHO), and continue to flag his comments. All his comments, whether they are true, false, directed at you, or not.
I'm not seeing where his contention you are flagging him is false. I rather see you confirming it. What am I missing?
The point of guerilla war is not to succeed. It's always been just to make the enemy bleed.
ura-soul made a post about getting downvoted and this is the response
https://steemworld.org/account-watch?template_id=most_own_sp
https://steemworld.org/account-watch?template_id=most_own_sp
I wouldn't downvote this post if rewards were forfeited, FYI.
should everyone forfeit rewards ?
No but it's not really reward worthy content in my opinion, aside from everything wrong with it and putting words in my mouth. Most people wouldn't accept rewards if they have something to announce or point out like you're doing in this post.
which specific words did i put "in your mouth" ?
i never claimed you actually said any of that
Ron is just the best overall at everything, there you go - I said it.
good to know
You're very welcome! I think we burn a lot of people with the way the voting system is not kept evolving to come up to the challenges of human stupidity or ingenuity. Ron understands that, I know he does.
does ron run a witness server ?
r0nd0n = good guy
Yeah that’s true.
I honestly didn't want to do this, I thought I could just proxy my vote to some reasonable person, but every account I looked at supported witnesses who had either downvoted me directly or downvoted someone I know.
I'm willing to talk to any of the witnesses, I've had conversations with blocktrades and marky and guilty and even logic and I'm convinced they are intelligent and well intentioned individuals.
I never expect to agree or disagree with ANYONE 100% on everything.
If I can't disagree with you on 50% of what you believe, then I'm not a proper skeptic.
Never blindly agree - - NEVER BLINDLY DISAGREE