共識之三 On Consensus #3

@deanliu 82

almost 4 years ago (Edited)

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在前一篇文章：共識之二 On Consensus #2 最後，我們說到

以Steem伊始，至現在的Hive，為區塊鏈帶來的新現象是：在機械層的機器共識之上，帶來了人類思想共識的新空間。

讓我繼續說下去...

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所謂機械層的機器共識，大家應該都相對熟悉，就是從分散式系統到後來區塊鏈的PoW或是PoS等等，出於分散各節點而必須一致的需求，所發展出來的protocal等等。

沒有這些共識，就沒有分散式帳本，也就沒有現在這些分散式去中心化的貨幣或資產，甚至於這萬千的去中心化經濟了... 這些咱們且不談，這可是我談不動的一大大大塊領域呀~~~

我們談小一點的，偏一點的，就是咱們這在分散式帳本上承載社交、寫作的獎勵平台。

原本寫作或是社交，可以像去中化版的facebook一樣，愛寫啥寫啥，反正都給你弄上鏈，也沒人去censor你，思想言論不必求取共識，這應該是追求區塊鏈媒體的一種"共識"。

哪還有什麼建築於機器共識上的共識可言呢？

有的。一切關鍵在於，獎勵。光是獎勵還不足以驅動另一種共識產生，還要加上一個條件，共享的獎勵池。

是囉，這才是一切美妙與罪惡的根源。

由於共享獎勵池，整個社區分成多少次社區都一樣，都還是彼此透過獎勵池相互關連。A點B，C可以有意見，也很容易會有意見，因為彼此的奶酪池是同一池。A儘管可以因為持有HP而有權力決定獎勵分配，但分配結果最終只能有一種情況，是綜合全部持有HP人點讚或踩的總合結果，這也就是那...

另一個共識。

這幾個月來的紛紛擾擾，甚至是導致這幾個月紛紛擾擾的前幾年的意見不合的積累，其實都源自於這個根本的根源。

這也是我一直支持類似SMT這種概念的發展，讓獎勵池變成許多許多池，各自去經營，把底層鏈變成工具用的鏈，把原本寫作獎勵的這項功能放到某特定SMT上去就可以承接原有大社區（如果有人對於全球式社區感到很有價值應該繼續的話...）自然，許多矛盾就會迎刃而解.. 可惜，似乎目前Hive尚且沒有這種打算...

不過，即使是分開為許多池，本質上，特定獎勵池還是面臨相同的共識問題。所以，這個問題還是避不開的。

但這個問題，我認為就是考驗參與社區者的素質了。首先，社區的人得要更深入認識所謂去中心化治理的本質，然後要更有接納他人不同意見（行為）的見識，否則，就會進入到下一種抉擇：離開社區，類似於硬分叉，不同意，就用腳投票，走人。

我最受不了的是，明明罵得要死（不喜歡），卻還每天上來罵（繼續參與），罵的還沒有道理（並沒有為社區凝聚共識進有貢獻）。身體與言語分頭行動，雖然也不是不可以，但實在會令人感覺很受不了，如果我是大鯨魚，我就踩下去了（但因為我不是，所以我都沒作聲）。

去中心化治理跟遊戲規則，跟日常運作很不一樣，並不是大家很直觀可以簡單理解的。常常有人不如意，或是被踩，就批評說這不是去中心化精神云云．．．

其實，殊不知，這恰恰就去中心化精神的展現哪~~~~

（一個容易的判準就是，把個人利益反轉套用到情境，是否當事人會有一樣結論，如果還是一樣，那代表這是相對客觀的批評．．．）

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@c-omplaints-11 -2

almost 4 years ago (Edited)

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