RE: Vlog 459: A sad day for Steem
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Imagine some random person would come up to you and would try to harm you or your loved ones and you would have to defend yourself. And you would let your fists fly. Does that mean, afterwards, that you'll go around the city and punch people randomly?
Because that's the analogy I take from your position regarding: "Well, if Steemit Incs stake was frozen, it can happen to anybody".
I get how it might look that any stake is no at risk, but that is absurd and simply not true!
There is a clear line between freezing the Steemit Inc "ninja mined" stake, which was supposed to be used for Steem and is now threatening more than ever the integrity of Steem, and any other stake.
Here is a short story I made to explain what the difference is: https://steemit.com/steemit/@therealwolf/q67exs
It's not about why or who's account it is. It's about the precedent.
To take your example:
There was never a reason for me to punch anyone. I never thought about it, it was never an option in my mind or anyone else.
The precedent that you have created is, that now, if I feel threatened, that it's justified to punch while before there was never a reason to punch. It was never an option!
But now it is.
The problem is once a precedent to punch has been created other reasons will follow. This is how it always goes.
The same goes for freezing accounts.
There was never a reason to freeze an account. I never thought about it, it was never an option in my mind or anyone else.
You guys opened a box and allowed the first precedent to escape. Freezing accounts are now justified under 'uncertain' circumstances.
Now that the first account has been frozen other precedents to freeze accounts will follow. The idea is now out there.
It can even happen while some of the original top 20 witnesses are long gone.
You guys opened a box that should have never been opened.
Steem will never be the same.
I agree with you. It's about the precedent. The fact that this CAN be done pretty much ruins steem, whether it could previously or not is not the point, it's known now that it can and will be done.
i can't look for it now, but was there not a message from some exchange about the need to swap steem token as soon as possible and if not you will not be able to do so in the future? was that a figment of imagination of theirs? Were not there public announcements from official accounts about token swap and assimilation even after he said that is not an option? I don't particularly like the idea of freezing accounts but can you say that there was no plan of assimilation? Tweets after his AMA were probably planned before and no one stopped them, but maybe shows that there were plans...
I blame Ned. And still think he misrepresented this sale to Tron Foundation.
What precedent?
It's a feature not a bug.
I must say, I'm surprised that you are so surprised this type of move is possible on a DPOS blockchain and now feel "sad" about it.
That's the whole point of having a DPOS blockchain. A DPOS blockchain is supposed to be an enterprise blockchain. It's not trying to achieve to do what bitcoin does.
Because of the influence you have on this platform, I would have thought you better understood how this works.
Where does it say that witnesses have to first check with the rest of the community before they take action?
IMO, the witnesses did actually read the sentiment quite correctly. You can't just buy a blockchain and then do with it what you want. Of course, you can't!
Now the ball is in the camp of Tron or @justinsunsteemit and I hope he likes how the steem community forms more of challenge than some of his previous acquisitions did.
More exciting, no?
If I was an entrepreneur like Justin, I would like this kind of push back.
Great times ahead!
I am not surprised a move like this is possible. Where do you get that from? I was fully aware it could be done.
I'm 'sad' about it because it has been done.
Justin did not buy a blockchain, he bought a company and a whole bunch of tokens. And in my opinion, it was a legitimate buy. I never considered those tokens mine.
I think Justin will love how his account was frozen and the trust this has created. the process of unfreezing will be interesting.
It was, wasn't it.
yeah it was
I understand the fear, but the action was not right which you all witness did it. You show something that nobody own truly his coins, because this can be frozen anytime by the witness. If Facebook own the Stakes, than you true have a reason to be afraid and do it....to save the freedom of Steem(it)
You all wittness didn't ask us as community about your decision, you made it just in the underground. You Witness all are here for us, to work as the long arm of the community, but not as own small group who decide anything alone....
I am asking you honestly: What the witenss will think this is going further now after unfreeze the Stakes? What you all think, there all BEST FRIENDS now after that? The News Website allredy writing about that case, from today every investor ( nevermind how much he will invest), will be aware that his investment can be freeze at any moment. This is not any more "Your Key-your Coins", from today this slogan is history for Steemit Blockchain....
This was always the case. Tell me... would the witness voters (stake holders) allow witnesses to start freezing investor stake left and right???
The answer is no. They would quickly stop being witnesses. This change clearly demonstrates the power of consensus and the ability of a community to act.
This was not a sad day. Quite the opposite.
You answer the question yourself. The Witness didn't ask anyone for that move. Does the witness made puplic request from us comunnity? Not at all....
We all are free people and have the right to say what we think about it, if this decisssion was right or wrong.
You should read that:
https://steemit.com/tron/@cryptogee/the-truth-about-tron
If you disagree vote for other witnesses. Thats what decentralization is about.
Read the cryptogee post. Commented already. He is dead wrong about everything.