Vlog 460: Unity is what I am hoping for.

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Lots of events happened in a very short period of time and emotions ran high.

I had some time to reflect on all the events and it was much needed.

I do have a better understanding now why the majority of the top witnesses took the action they did.

And even though I don't agree with it, I have to accept that the majority of the stakeholders that vote for witnesses did.

Just like everyone else I am now looking forward to March 6.

My hope is that this matter is quickly cleared up and settled in the swiftest and best way possible for all parties involved.

I talk about it more in my vlog.



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I hope it can all get sorted out quickly too. I think we need to see some movement forward as opposed to moving sideways or backwards. I really want to hope that we can all coexist somehow and continue making this place great.

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Thanks @Exyle for this message. You are one of the bloggers on Steem i so much respect. I was aware we were all emotional during the unexpected Softfork, yet, your positions then got me scared about our safety on Steem

I do really expect unity between Steem and Tron and when this happens, we all would be happy.

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OK.

If I may, would like to add a perspective that should make it clearer;

The governance of any code out there has the ability to edit the code.
So there is nothing to prevent anything on any blockchain.

However, to present what you call "a sad day" in its true light, it was a GRAND day for Steem!

Steem was the first blockchain with a governance that put the blockchain as priority #1 and not stake.

It is a "sad day" when tokens are the foundation for a blockchains existential security to be put into question.

As this manipulation of tokens was prevented, what you consider to be "a sad day" in the history of blockchains to date, Steem has set a precedence, in that a Witnesses first and foremost responsibility and duty is to ensure the existential security of the blockchain and not to be puppets of any of the tokens that may be using the blockchain as a ledger.

That my man, is HISTORY IN THE MAKING!

Likewise, all actions taken in ref. to the relevant stake were done so as per the code that Stinc itself approved back in 2016/2017 and with every other HF in which it was not removed.
Likewise the actions taken were exclusively done as per the terms and conditions that agreed upon when they were coded in.
Likewise the actions taken were 100% in coherence with the necessity to ensure the relevant stake, (which was not burned 4 years ago, when Ned abused it manipulate with the governance) is utilized as per the agreed upon terms.

SO THAT IS THE GRANDEST OF DAYS IN THE HISTORY OF BLOCKCHAIN.

Hope this view of things helps put a smile on your face!

Cheers.

PS. I respect your individuality and right to the freedom of speech/expression and in no way wish for you to read this comment as me undermining your views. Simply wanted to share another view on the same topics that you mentioned and hopefully shed a bright light on something that you still see as being negative. We can change the future my man, Steem has definitely proven that its governance has its priorities straight.

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Jack, I really enjoy your positivity here and it's a cool way to see things.

Don't worry I have no problem with anyone undermining my views (even though it was clearly not your intention here).

My views are my own and I share them as I have done for years. Ownership is something that is very dear to me, although I am also learning now that with DPOS things are (now) different.

I hope you agree with this

My hope is that this matter is quickly cleared up and settled in the swiftest and best way possible for all parties involved.

What do Australians drink when they want to celebrate something propper? Snake blood? Kangeroo sweat? Crocodile semen? or just some good old Beer :)

I can't wait for this matter to be behind us and get the best results for all parties involved. Looking forward to the 6th.

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Us older blokes after a hard days work enjoy nothing more than a cold Vic Bitter

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Victoria Bitter - For a hard-earned thirst.

I can order that here.

Cost 2,80 euro or 4,38 AUD for a bottle. Not the cheapest but must be worth it.

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Better than Fosters, in fact, even that pi** called Corona is better than Fosters!

Cheers mate, glad you didn't take anything I said the wrong way. We are creating history here as far as blockchain tech and the crypto scene go.

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The implication of governance over stake is that we are fundamentally a political system with stake based voting. Not a decentralized system.

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Our "State/Country" is the blockchain.

Our "Constitution" is the code.

Our "Nation" are all of us Steemians.

So, the parallel can be presented in that way, as the responsibilities that a countries and nations governance has to uphold and protect the constitution, are comparable to that of Witnesses and our role in the Steem ecosystem.

Not identical by no means, but definitely comparable as far as responsibilities and duties go.

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If you had been part of the discussions/been a consensus witness, would you have proposed an alternative 'measure' or would you have proposed to not do anything?

I'm personally understanding more and more of the motivations behind the actions taken and am starting to understand and even appreciate more and more what has been done by the top witnesses, although I keep also hearing that little voice in the back of my mind telling me it wasn't up to us to tell Sun what to do with his (!) stake. It's definitely a tough one.

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If you had been part of the discussions

he was.

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I do have a better understanding now why the majority of the top witnesses took the action they did.

This made me jump (?) to the conclusion he wasn't - had to go from the text as I can't listen to the vlog right now.

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Yeah that’s the problem with his narrative 🙂 he was involved in all of it and still decided to share absolutely false statements. Which is quite unfortunate

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This is why we need transcripts of discussions held behind closed doors. I understand the need for secret discussions especially in this case, but ‘The People’ should be able to form their own opinions on what/who/how ‘The Elite’ discussed behind closed doors.

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I understand the want for transparency and agree, as with the foundation it was made sure everything was transparent, which actually is a double edge sword.

Whether we like it or not, when it comes to security of the chain, not all information can be public.. but do agree that many of the factors and details of what was done should be made public so that these false narratives (that I think are harmful) can stop.

As far as “the elite” discussing things behind closed doors.. I’m not sure that is fair wording. Over 60 individuals, making up of most witnesses (many many back ups), stake holders, and community members started chatting in an open telegram. Meaning anyone could he invited there, and many “non elite” were invited. Once the conversation became hard to follow, a slack was created (by 2 back up witnesses) and the open link was dropped. This was not, invite only, and there was no only inviting on certain people. When the threat had become something that many felt needed to combatted, there were additional attempts to ensure ALL top witnesses were there (who had ignored the invites previously) as well as anyone who was beneficial on a code level.

So I guess my question is, who are the elites? Or are witnesses not elected to make these decisions? Should all users been invited, therefore opening up to even more of a security issue? (As coding cannot be public). Should the discussions have gone on on chain? Would that have been the correct way to ensure any threat was removed? I guess I’m just not really sure how this can be seen as something the elite did behind closed doors. In fact it’s the most I’ve ever seen a large group made of individuals from all different backgrounds and stances, work together on the one thing they can agree on - the chain needs to be protected from any potential threats. That’s the job.

None of this is a political play, even though I’m sure many individuals have their own goals.. but the goals in that room were to secure the chain, that’s it. And some of that just can’t be done on a public forum.

I’m someone who believes in open communication and quite frankly if I can complain of anything about this, I’d wish for even more communication.. but I also think most witnesses wrote their own posts to share their reasoning as well as jointly worked on the announcement post. So I agree more communication is always good, I guess I’m not sure exactly what individuals would like to hear more of, or what would truly be beneficial. I’d love to hear your thoughts.

I hope that makes sense.. I’m rambling on mobile 👀

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I’m not as good as you in rambling on phone, so I’ll keep it shorter, but my wish really is ‘simple’: to keep communications closed when needed, but publish them when the secrecy is not needed anymore. In an earlier event where I was able to read transcripts ‘after the fact’ myself I learned a lot about who had what intentions - That’s easier to hide/reword in a post you can think long and hard about.

I know you’re pro-communication, and appreciate that, but currently I have gotten most and most important info waaaaaaaaaaay off-chain by asking and messaging, and that’s not how I want to be informed. This whole thing therefore had been super frustrating and worrying to me and it took me a week to really feel like I was able to put the pieces of the puzzle together.

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I appreciate that stance and agree to a point, I’ve tried to take a very back seat approach to this and therefore have answered questions when asked, but otherwise let others speak publicly. Perhaps I’ll try to push for more clarity, or last resort.. provide it myself.

Thanks and I hope you’re well.

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Thanks, and yes, I’m well, I hope you are too, always glad to see you fighting for Steem and being you :-)))

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He is and always has been a sniveling twat... BBQ n beer to the moon hey u muting ass clown Muppet

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Really? THen that reaction shouldn't have been from his end.

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I was invited to the last few days of the discussion.

I asked questions but didn't read the whole previous discussions. I informed the blockbrothers about it and we decided that we didn't want to go this route.

Because of the nature of the matter, I was asked to keep it confidential until matters were settled which I respected.

I personally would have preferred to wait for more information because a temp freeze I considered a step of last resort but now that we are here I am hoping that all parties involved can come to an agreement fast.

In my previous video, I should have explained the motivations of the freeze by the top 20 and advisers more, I tried to rectify that in this video.

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Thanks for the reply - It was a tough one for all involved. It wasn’t my preferred route either but then I learned (amongst others) how Sun reacted on attempts of communication and started seeing how waiting wasn’t really an option anymore. I’m hoping for a quick resolution and March 6th to be filled with decisiveness and not empty talks especialle from the Tron/Sun team towards us.

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from that fake followers article i just realised i am a bot. and now i am not sure do i even exist, at least on twitter :D

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half doesn't mean 100%

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no no, by reading the analysis of bot accounts, i realised that i would be one of that bot accounts in their analysis :D

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let's make it a little less than half. he's still an insecure little liar.

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i sometimes think that anyone that wants and needs to be popular has bots (especially if he has money) When i throw a look just on our politicians. President has bots, ruling party has bots, opposition has bots, even owner of a tv broadcasting has bots. even worse is that they are real people that work as bots :D

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Plenty of rumors, preparation was poor in my opinion. I also think the potential for both chains to work together is being heavily overlooked and instead, all the doom and gloom is being focused on.

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@exyle i agree with all you said sir,unity plays a very great role in everything in life and i believe unity will help the steem community alot and make the platform so great...

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I don't see it like the witnesses have frozen an account. Promises were made about the Steemit stake. Justin should of done his research and consulted with witnesses before buying Steemit. Ned has done the wrong thing and I'm so pleased he's out of the picture now. Hopefully they can sort out a mutually beneficial arrangement.

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Hi @exyle,

First: I just bought some steem again which shows I also still have hope.

BUT:
I've seen many companies taken over the last years as I working for a big IT distributor that only can grow by taking over other companies.
These companies taken over were squeezed out and vanished - always and all of them.

You hope that Justin will pump money into the steem ecosystem. He will only do that is there is a good ROI. Why else should he do it?
Because he's a nice person and wants to help? Both get a clear NO from me.

And then there will come the 6th of March ... my personal opinion on this:
As I mentioned many times before, I still believe that Justin has no idea what a rough diamond he bought. Steem inc. was sold to him with totally different arguments than the possibilities for the future of it.
So I hope the people invited to that meeting go into that meeting with this in their head and explain to him first what he actually bought.
If they go into the meeting just having in mind how to protect their our steem I'm afraid the meeting will be - again - a lot of bla-bla-bla and without REAL results.

But let's hope for the best and

STEEM ON!!!

EDIT:
Hope is gone with this announcement: https://steempeak.com/tron/@steemitblog/an-open-letter-to-the-community-hf22-5

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We need a vlog today! About these news! :D

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I totally agree with your views and I still can't confirm what the threat was that justified freezing TRON's stake. He bought Steem Inc fair and square. People should talk to Ned but it's too late. Maybe the Ned bashing came back to bite.

Freezing anybody's funds or voting rights was a desperate, childish power move that has only caused more harm than good as well as exposing DPOS (humans are faulty by design) and the foundations Steem was developed on, which in my opinion was dodgy from the start i.e. Ninja bag and promises bag.

Respect to you for coming out into the light and not hiding. Stay Strong.

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What's going on, man? Just disappearing without an explanation? After being emotionally invested are you now going to be emotionally divesting? It don't make no sense!

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See you powering up...good, come join us. I, for one, will be pushing everyone to respect your decisions and welcome you with open arms! Welcome back!

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Looking forward to your return. Don’t be shy, your voice is welcome!

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Just checking in to see how you're doing @exyle. I hope you and the family are having a great summer!

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Hola amigo espero con ansías su próximo post :)

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Thank dear. I must always stand behind and support my colleagues and wish you success. Providence help you in your work, you see my sincere wish. Always in touch. Merry and blessed Christmas, a beautiful future awaits us, it is our hope. Successes

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Feel crazy @exyle that its been so long since you did your Blogga. Really miss them, they were gold 👍

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It's time to return, no? Hive is a success!

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Shame that after all his posts, it just went silent. Vanished from all social media. Happened to others too.

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Yup! Just because of the Hive fork it seems... Which in the end was the only way to go.

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