Future Proofing Communities
So I know we were all locked back out of the beta, but I'm still posting in here because I'm a rebel. Or this won't work and maybe something will explode. Either way on to the post.
So it wasn't long before it occurred to me that a large community would quickly run into a similar problem as the current Steem frontends. We can already see it in 3Speak in that it feels a bit "noisy". I think something that would be really valuable is at least one level deep sub communities within a community.
The functionality I'm envisioning is that when you follow a community you're automatically subscribed to all the sub-communities as well, but you can unfollow some of the sub-communities if you so choose. Using my community as an example, maybe I'm an artist who is into fine art and concept art, but really have no interest in graphic design, I'd be able to unfollow those sub-communities so I'm not shown that content.
Since it looks like communities is really an advanced tag sorting system, it would just be adding one more tag with a sort of "if the parent community tag is here(hive-xxxxxx) AND this sub community tag, show THIS content.
When you click on a sub-community it filters the posts to only the posts with both of those tags and when you post in the sub-community, you post automatically has both of those tags.
This would allow for the general idea of communities to simply be taken further. I imagine that if people wanted, there wouldn't even be a problem with this going deeper than a single level.
Steem Artstation/Illustration/Animals/Cats/Kittens
I could just see this sub-sub-sub-sub-community housing 95% of my communities subscribers. The heart wants what it wants. I think we should give the people the ultimate rabbit hole digging tools.
What do you all think?
That would be a fun extension to communities.
Yes, it probably will be needed. Maybe, communities have their own tags?
Isn't that hive-xxxxxx? I think they already do.
Sorry, meant tags inside the community not the community itself.
not a bad idea. we will see that problem mostly in "general" communities, but sub-communities would be nice addon.
i am not sure even how 3Speak community works. i think it is not automatic to post there when you post on 3Speak. is it a double post, or maybe just adding a hive-100421 tag?
Everything posted on 3Speak is automatically posted in their community. I think this is the way it should be with dapps especially considering something like Appics where the content is really a different format than the web apps, but in these cases especially it seems like sub-communities will be a must. Or else we'll just run into the same issue.
So there's a couple ways to sub organize a community.
Not sure how well hivemind handles this but i'm guessing it will be just fine.
This provides pretty much ONLY a subdivisions of content but also does kind of let users know which kinds of content is popular and expected.
They would be legit communities each one of them ... this allows different moderators, labels, descriptions and allows people to SUBSCRIBE to different sections of a large community structure. The interfaces would be expected to list the child-communities and the child community the parent one. However the issue is letting people know they may not have child-community content show up in their feed unless they specifically subscribe.
Meaning only tie multiple hive communities together if there is a reason to have varient leadership moderators and maybe subscribers. For example a POSTING community and a FORUM type community maybe a 3rd option could be a community that is for OFFICIAL POSTS and is more of a locked community that only the organization/business can post to. People can subscribe to that one as more of an Important feeds sort of thing.
Otherwise divide by topic/keyword.
Thoughts on that?
I think what I would prefer this as a basic option. This is basically what I was suggesting above, but I forgot to add that part, that the community owner dictates what sub-communities exist. I imagine it being an organic thing that once a certain portion of the community gets big enough, they can break off and form their own -sub-community.
I think that with the option to be able to have community mergers which sounds like what you were talking about in option two could be an advanced option that I could see being useful if two communities independently grow but have large intersections in their communities they could merge under a parent community, but also maintain their independence. THAT sounds really powerful especially combining that with smt's and the monetization of communities.
So sub-dividion of content and yet also have sub-communities?
I thought we were talking about the same thing with those. What do you mean when you say sub-division of content?
I like the idea of a FORUM type community and an official posts locked section, or a search by keyword to find the thread you want to find out about. For example, say two weeks ago we had a conversation about 'sage' on Natural Medicine, and someone wants to know about it - they can easily search for that post/conversation. Or you could get alerts for new comments for that thread (too much?). Separating out the various types of posts within the communities would be awesome.
It sounds like a good idea, then I do not need to subscribe to a Non-Fiction writing site and a fiction writing site, and a sci-fi site, steam-punk site, ect. One site to hold all.
The arts and crafts community also have a lot of different arts and crafts from tie-dye t-shirts to crochet and knitting. the easier a community is able to make finding content for the casual user the better. There are a lot of other ones also, like sports, and photography, and likely ones I don't see on a daily basis.
Exactly. Since certain communities will be trending, I think it will ultimately make it easier for people to not only find the content their looking for, but also the most popular communities, which will probably have the best content.
Right, yes, this makes total sense.
I think that is a magical idea.
I also think past a certain point (maybe three tiers?) it would have to be optional (at least for posting, give me all the tools to explore an entire rabbit labyrinth when browsing though!) otherwise it would drive people (or at least me XD) mad.
I support this simple but brilliant idea!
I'm not really sure if people want to create their community under certain parent community. Speaking about ownership and authority, and... ego.... Looks like at current state, communities in steem are designed to be more like facebook groups (which is fine, since some of successful facebook group do have high engagements in their contents).
The idea is this is just an extra tool for the community owner to organize content. Not create independent communities. As this becomes the new way forward, if you're into some specific genre of content and there is already a large community for that, you'd probably just rather join that one. But if you're really only interested in one subset of content in the community, you can just subscribe to that.
Ah, I see. Yes, it would be a great addition!
Yes, this is what I'd like to do! I was trying to explain it to @crimsonclad in Dm, but couldn't explain it properly. From a @naturalmedicine perspective, we'd have 'herbalism' 'yoga' and so on.
Hopefully you can share this post with whoever can make it happen :)
It's a good idea. The way to do this would have to be for the main community to specify in a custom json broadcast what it's subs are. That way it would be able to pull subs in that aren't necessarily owned by it. However, that could create a scenario where someone adds a sub that shouldn't be a sub, misrepresenting ti.
I love everything about this idea.
Cool idea 👍Another way to implement this could be 'parent communities' -- i.e. a container which holds multiple communities. When you subscribe to the parent community, you are automatically subscribed to all the children.
How would you imagine that working in terms of ownership and content filtering? Master community shows all and the entire hierarchy still owned by the master owner account? Or does each sub have an owner? I guess what would be interesting about this is that even sub communities could have their own SE token, SMT or alternate frontend.
The master community could be a simple container object; otherwise each "subcommunity" would function as a "community" does now. It's just a reverse approach to think about -- instead of subcommunities, a super-community. It would probably be easier to implement, and could accomplish the same goals.
Awesome! Really loving what you have so far.
Hi @midlet
where could I find "sub-community" button?