Hardfork 21 and Next Steps.
The Code has been dropped for HF21
https://steemit.com/steemit/@steemitblog/steemit-update-hf21-testnet-sps-eip-rewards-api-smts
If you haven't been here for a hardfork or you were still new for the last one... the way it works is that once the code is released it is up to the top 20 witnesses mostly decide what to do with it.
They should test it, consider the impacts, prepare the community and make their views on the changes clear.
My opinion is it is too much for one HardFork and doesn't solve the root problems which are visibility and lack of any marketing, so I am not a huge fan. Each change has it's own risks and potential rewards so while I can certainly understand being for or against any of the changes, justifying doing them all at once is a hard pill for me to swallow. No one knows how it will turn out and I hope a lot of thought is put into how to support the community through any changes that are made.
Meanwhile, we still have PALNET which also has several of these features.
The announcement post is missing a lot of information. What percentages were used, where they decided to get the funding for SPS, what date they plan to drop, etc. stay tuned for more information.
So, if you have any questions or concerns let your witnesses know. As of today here is a list of those who will be making the decision.
01 yabapmatt
02 curie
03 blocktrades
04 gtg
05 roelandp
06 someguy123
07 good-karma
08 themarkymark
09 therealwolf
10 aggroed
11 cervantes
12 thecryptodrive
13 ocd-witness
14 timcliff
15 anyx
16 ausbitbank
17 smooth.witness
18 followbtcnews
19 lukestokes.mhth
20 clayop
This list of the top 20 is current as of this post, but they often juggle around some as the debates about the HF and what is included carry on.
On the day of the HF the way it works is once 17 of the top witnesses begin to run the new code it is considered an accepted HF.
There is no question this will be a major hardfork with major impacts to Steem. It is also contentious and controversial. I expect there will be some very interesting debates.
I hate this time of the year... bbbrrr
Judging from the comments in steemitblog's update...we are about to experience a catastrophe(?)
I got this free from work
haha...yep
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Legit this update makes no sense to me or what actually is in it. The updated talked more about what is to come AFTER instead of what actually is going to happen in this hard fork.
I mean I like to consider myself at least half way decently smart but this update makes no sense to me on how it is going to effect the community, voting etc AT ALL!
Check @miniature-tiger's comment and start crying...
No way can this be real.. :(
I am here for a bit over two years and always before and after a hardfork there been rivers of posts and comments flowing around about it... some pro some against the impacts of that particular hardfork will do!
I think we all should wait and see before we are jumping to a conclusion; already @steemitblog post generated 48 comments and this is just the begging... i think we are rushing we the conclusions and looks like is in our human nature of Steemians to love drama and create it.
Time will tell...
PS: You guys can join my latest post that is a contest with a nice giveaway and have a lot of fun!
"lack of any marketing"
I really think some agressive marketing would go a long way. People don't really know about this place (I have to explain the concept to someone every time I say "I'm on Steemit") so how do we expect to attract new users? There's money in the masses we just need to figure out a way to bring them here.
@artisticscreech
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I am a member of the seven77 movement for steem on twitter pioneered by @nathanmars. Please, you can join other steemians to create greater awareness for steem and get good rewards for your efforts. If you got to be a member of #seven77 from reading my post, please, do well to tag my username @ajorundon on Steemit and @ajorundontega on Twitter.
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While the 7s are a great promotion that in no way equals marketing. Don't get me wrong, it is a good promotion and increases brand recognition which would fall under marketing, but isn't marketing.
Marketing starts with a vision, a brand, a target audience and after many other things are defined moves into promotion and advertizing.
Don't get me wrong, I love that you guys are doing it, but it isn't really what I am talking about when I say marketing.
Yea its a cool engagement and awareness movement for steem and i hope you are participating? If you are not participating now, when you do, tag me😊. Its a start and it might develop to your definition of marketing with time.
#steem #seven77
I've been liking the tweets.
Hell no I am not going to do push ups and record it. But I will cheer!
All the same ...good to cheer.
My guess it is fully implemented with-in 86 hours of the steemblog post.
I seriously don't even know if that is possible, but if it is going to go through, I hope it goes quickly
If it happened what happened to the community
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Hardfork or not, steem on!
For marketing steem easily join #seven77 movement on twitter
I am a member of the seven77 movement for steem on twitter pioneered by @nathanmars. Please, you can join other steemians to create greater awareness for steem and get good rewards for your efforts. If you got to be a member of #seven77 from reading my post, please, do well to tag my username @ajorundon on Steemit and @ajorundontega on Twitter.
Join #seven77 soon.
I'm just gonna lean back and watch the place burn for a few days.
With any luck it doesn't take too long until we find a new and reasonable equilibrium.
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That's a pretty good plan. Not sure when the actual codedrop will be, but when it comes we can re-evaluate . By We I mean every user, witness and stakeholder and decide if it was good or bad and react accordingly.
Can it be any worse than HF20?
Then again, it's SteemIt. Just when you think they have hit rock bottom, they prove you wrong by making things even worse (weary lol)
EDIT:
I just read the post you linked to, and even though I'm not a newcomer, I truly don't understand a word they are saying... if they're saying anything anyways. Aren't those informational posts meant to explain some things to the common users??
"When your communication causes more questions than answers was it communication at all?" :)
All I can say is that I think their motives are good, their understanding of the community and the impact he beyond low.
Spot on 👍
I completely agree with the last part, and maybe their motives are good, but the question is: from which perspective...
Har Har Har, yeah hf 20 was so bad, who wouldn't have known that a complete restructuring from the bottom up of the bandwidth system had one bug that only appeared in the live version. Har Har Har, yeah stinc is the worst. Har Har.
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I can algebra too:
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I believe most steem members would think that hardfork is not needed now since we have Palnet and many other types of similar interfaces like Palent may appear to allow us to have multi-cryptocurrency earning simply by one post. Steemit does not need another hardfork to cripple the current state.
More details would have been nice for sure. It screamed to me that they are fearful to share them to the broader community for fear of backlash. I am optimistic about the SPS. I hope it is successful.
The root problem is neither visibility or marketing.
First it's not Steemit's job to market steem. It is exactly like expecting the development of Linux to market it, or ANY open source software. When was the last time you heard of anything like that? When was the last time you saw an open source team which relies with everything on "build it and they will come", a philosophy that is tried and true for such projects, to put one penny for hype and commercials, which is all that marketing is, Hype. Every single open source team relies on Word Of Mouth, and some companies have succeeded against fierce competition without ANY marketing. I know, I had my first job at a Donato's Pizzeria, they were beating every single pizza place COMBINED in my area without ANY KIND OF MARKETING.
You think that somehow the retention rate will change because you bring in a mass of impressionable retards that actually still are idiotic, imbecilic enough to support the most redundant, idiotic, moronic sector of the economy, the hype assholery of marketing, those are the last fucking people I'd want to see here, the morons that don't know about blocking ads or ignoring them. No, we don't have a need for one more idiot here, and a handful of whack ass monumentally stupid fucktards won't solve the retention problem.
But, let's say that you do focus all efforts on such a manipulative and insidious ends as marketing and you find some dumb ass retarded individuals that join because of that. Will they stay?
Even better, will they buy in, or power up what they earn?
Hmmm?
Reconsider the "problem". Some idiots think that the problem is that "the ux is too hard". Lol. What? Are you really thinking that posting, powering up and curating, is too hard? Fucktardness. That's not why we have a shit poor retention rate.
It's because the fucking advertising that happens freely with trending
saysscreams: this place is full of shit, mediocre, overpriced, marketing types. No one, besides the Banefields and all such scumbags, would consider investing, or powering up. The serious people recognize that "if it's too good to be true, it probably isn't" so when they're presented with shit for trending they will move on. You can't cheat an honest man. The skulldugery of the world, the scumbag, they will think "I can do better than this", and will try to out compete the establishment scumbag. More scumbags won't fix the retention rate.You know what will? A restructuring of the rewards and penalties of the game, so that it will favor honest players, not scumbags.
As for all the morons that pile on with "it's steemit after all, they are imbecilic nonthoughts", fuck you you homo faggots. Go suck a dick why don't you. Fucking idiots are you, not Steemit. Is it any surprise that you can't understand simple shit like "hey we're changing the reward curve from linear".
Should I guess you are for these changes?
Yes, and I guess you had absolutely no contention with anything I said, in other words you re-examined what the problem is and concluded that it's not the lack of hype but the piss poor retention/turnover rate and the extremely hard to sell "hey why don't you power up so you can distribute rewards, whilst you also can earn a little", correctomondo?
Actually my opinion is that we have had nearly a total misallocation of inflation, the reward pool.. as it is designed for distribution and growth and not ROI for stakeholders
It can be both, but hype won't affect that what so ever, again. The only way to effect it is to make it risky enough to milk the system, and rewarding enough to distribute inflation. You keep saying that the changes are too much but how in the heck do you think that "a total misallocation" can be turned around with anything less? If you want to correct the current course which is going in the totally wrong direction and do so by making a slight left or right, then is no different than keeping on the same heading.
I am not totally opposed to the changes at all. I am just opposed to a sudden change in direction and changing too much at once.
I don't care how perfectly the blockchain works if there is no one left to use it.
I honestly don't think it's enough, I think curation rewards should be even more, the curve should be more drastic and downvotes should come with a pool and delegations, but for right now it will suffice.
Like I said, you think that a total misallocation can be meaningfully turned around by anything more mild? It doesn't make sense, if it wasn't "totally" broke maybe I'd agree with you on the changing too much.
The use is predicated on how good it works, and right now, it's very very broken.
PLEASE don't let it be like last year when 90% of the users couldn't do anything on here.
Brace yourself it's likely to be messy. It will be important for it to have some time to brew though
How much testing has been done for all levels of steem users?
We all remember how much it impacted and drove away many small minnows and redfish, when HF20 Dropped.
in some ways, HF20 was the beginning of quite a downward spiral for Steemit
Yeah, I am highly concerned. No one cares. :) Hang on and stock up on Drama.
I see that you also think that marketing is a huge issue that Steemit has.
You should have @ each one, that way people could get to them easily to voice their disagreements with the HF.
This is a nightmare... I honestly now think Steemit is purposely hiding how bad the HF will be. Their blog post said nothing at all about what the actual changes will be and how it will affect authors and users.
I know there are two witnesses who were opposed to the HF, though they would go along with it since they would cease to be witnesses if they didn't adopt the HF software. If two more join with them, the HF will fail. We just need two more top 20 witnesses to step up and refuse to accept this disaster of a HF, just TWO MORE! We need to figure out who might be on the fence and lobby them directly to consider siding against HF21, those two who might still undecided could prevent this from happening if they join the two opposed.
Just 4 witnesses can stop this, and I know two would be willing to, so to those other undecided witnesses, please reconsider. You have the power to stop this nonsense from taking place, and hold the power to save Steem from eating itself. I urge you to reject HF21, and instead demand a smaller, more sensible approach to hardforking Steem.
#StopHF21 #MakeSteemGreatAgain
Yeah, because the reward structure is so great, because empowering people to police the network without them sacrificing their voting mana is "so bad", because putting a curve in to dissuade stake splitting is terrible, and giving the audience, the content consumer's reason to power up or invest by making curation worth something and actually compete with vote selling and self voting is terrrrrrorrrible.
We must stop this insanity, just 2 more witnesses who will say "this is good enough what we have now, who cares that more than 70% of the votes are bought and paid for, and who cares that no reasonable person would power up, invest, or waste their time trying to wade through the 'promoted' content, we can't cut author rewards because 75% out of less than 30% and constantly dwindling is good enough".
Whack ass, idiot.
Yeah, steemit is hiding the changes because they are retards, stupid, evil or a combination. And guess what, these changes are so hidden that they've been openly discussed for more than a year, some, like the 50/50 split, for more than two years, and they literally posted the Code for all, and the other posts explained the changes thoroughly, but "they are purposely hiding how bad it will be on a completely transparent and open source platform". Makes sense.
(and you're not a monumental fag)
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You are a sad strange little man... I’d downvote you but it wouldn’t mean much with my relatively low SP, so instead I’ll say this...
@whatsup, please downvote, preferably at 100% power, this sad, strange little man so he will actually feel punished for saying something stupid.
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O no, you have absolutely nothing to say than to beg others to share your opinion of me themselves, because.
Fuck off you idiot. I'd rather go toe to toe with anyone that outright slanders the development than too join into the buffoonery, and I'd sooner eat shit and die than to give a fuck at all about what a certifiable idiot (make Steem Great by keeping it in this shit state) thinks about me.
Whack ass clown.
Sad, sad, strange little man...
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Sweetest sound to my ear is your low opinion of me, confirmation that I'm doing awesome by extension of what an imbecile you are.
So strange that I called you a faggot for your insipid nonsense, lol. It probably befuddled the fuck out of your two brain cells.
!dramatoken
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Only an idiot thinks it strange to not extend zero respect to them after they outright shits on the development of the platform they are using to voice that shit and/or exposing their idiotic nonsense of "make murica great again" (very clever and original you imbecile) by rallying without rhyme or reason against changes that have been thoroughly considered for years by hundreds of people, some of who have put insane amounts of wealth behind the platform by investing, and others who have put blood, sweat and tears into it, and enormous ammounts of time to boot.
Whack ass faggot.
Fag, as in good for burning and sweeping the shit covered street, but nothing else.
Anyone who is watching knows that they have not be carefully thought out for years by most of the witnesses. Just try asking a few questions.
I think it is reasonable to be for or against them. Personally, I just think it is too much in one fork even though I do think the changes might be good.
Let's see how things look on the testnet tomorrow, I think the main reason we don't want too many hardforks too often is due to exchanges having to update and people not being able to transfer to and from during the time.
If there is one thing I would be careful with it would be the curve so going to test it and think of ways it will be attempted to be abused or how it can be used for the greater good with things such as @ocdb for instance. The other two changes, 50/50 and downvote pool I am absolutely for and is something we have needed for a long time already. I do believe it is worth the risk compared to the content discovery and consequences of abusing bid bots and votetrading and haeining that have plagued us in forever, the sooner the better probably.
About your point in the post that what we need the most is marketing, I'm hopeful the SPS will be able to aid with that as well. As you might now I am not one to not want authors, especially deserving ones to earn less rewards but I believe that over time an with the effects of these changes they will be earning more in the end, especially in $ amount, hopefully.
Good advice
What are you talking about, these things have been discussed and carefully considered for years. It's not reasonable at all to paint their intentions as malicious or to basically call them retarded by claiming that they are trying to hide what anyone, with or without an account can easily find. If someone has reasonable concerns I'm all ears, but so far the nonsense has been monumentally unreasonable, inconsiderate and the retards that spew this shit seemingly either shit on the development or on people in general by either outright calling them idiots, stupid, or evil, or by insinuating nothing less than that. In my book, that is only reason for anyone to consider them as such, not only because they haven't reasoned shit for those despicable opinions but simply because they are despicable opinions and I'm not in the business of changing anyone's despicable opinions. If they don't hold those opinions as intimately as they can and share them freely, then I have zero issues of telling them what I think.
Sad, strange little man...
Oh also, this little "bundle of sticks" is proudly supporting Donald Tump for President in 2020! He will be re-elected for another 4 years, and he will Keep Making America Great! ;)
You thinking that I care or that it rubs me the wrong way at all is hilarious. Almost as funny as your incredibly intelligent proposal of not doing anything to make Steem Great, what a clown like you choose to vote for though, that's what you want to talk about? Is it because do nothing to make Steem Great needs nothing else, it's the total package, right nonfag?
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do you think that was maybe a little harsh?
Not even mild. Do you think that shit smearing the development like he has deserves anything less?
wow, chill baah. That's a bit much.
What, I can't call him a fag? Especially when he is acting like a flaming faggot? Fuck that, and fuck you too if you think so.
#makesteemgreatagainbykeepingitthesame
#smartandsmarter
#stop-the-nonsense
#steemit-are-idiots-or-evil-or-both
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Sometimes I agree with you, sometimes I disagree, but...
You are like foaming at the mouth, it isn't helping.
What's wrong with mocking the idiot for "MSGA"? He literary had nothing reasonable, sensible or thoughtful to add and instead he spewed some of the dumbest shit that I've seen regarding the hf, let's keep everything the same to make Steem Great, Again. The fuck, and he has no problem with leveling inflammatory shit about the intentions of others.
#smartandsmarter
I'm not here to "help", I'm here to light fires with a fag, I'm darn great at it and I don't mind the smell of burning shit, I'll be your huckleberry you faggot.
Love reading and talking about hardforkes :D
I've been railing against the 50/50 split since yesterday. I'm disappointed at the lack of coordination, transparency and unscientific nature of the whole thing. It's far too disjointed a process and I am not convinced the Top 20 witnesses are fit to sign off on such massive changes to the system.
lol
Indeed. LOL.
They haven't signed off yet.
Just keep asking questions, but let's try to help calm it down and discuss it.
I've raised many questions as to the methods by which they came to their conclusions and the answers were quite insufficient. I think it's time we got agitated and made witness changes.
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Hey @whatsup, did you see the Steem post (resteemed by a top witness) referring to Steem content creators who dislike the new changes in HF21 as Marxist?
Who Deserves More?
Or the post by an actual Top Witness that goes something to the effect of "How do you do, fellow kids?"
Do Content Creators Matter?
(I really love that the top comment on the post, voted 100% by said witness, immediately starts off by saying that content creators are "Entitled" and that the curation reward might should be 5/95, "Cause muh content curation maters!")
Not even close to what I actually said, but sure, go with that.
Edit: Okay, I did say 'all the content creators are Marxist' but it was clearly with reference to opinions on where value comes from and not based on whether people support/oppose the HF21. I oppose the HF21 and said so in the article you referenced.
Yes, I've seen both posts. :) I'm over it... they've made up their minds already.
Regarding the second post, I pretty much try to ignore anything said by that one.
At the end of the day, The math is math and with no plan to market and the terrible communication skills of the team, I suspect we will lose users.
Those at the top will feel a bit more in control... and then they will come up with more pet projects to do before Steem can be marketed.
realistically I love Steem and it is unlikely I quit, but I also would never encourage anyone to put money in it.
Answers aren't just black and white. I voted that comment by 100% as his opinion was a refreshing change from what I usually see as comments.
If you read my post, you know that I value content creators. But this ecosystem will not work if stakeholders (curators) are not treated properly.
And there is indeed a certain "entitlement" among some content creators when they write something along the lines of ".. but I deserve 75% of the reward pool. Otherwise, how should I pay my bills?". If a content creator on Steem can pay their bills with their author rewards, that's a small wonder but it's not a guarantee nor a standard and least of all very realistic for the majority.
In contrast, someone who invests money into STEEM or someone who is investing opportunity costs by being staked in STEEM and not selling it is usually not doing this for charity reason; rather seeking financial goals. So when that person feels that their investment isn't paying off, then we've got a problem. Which is what part of HF21 is trying to fix/improve.