RE: Prayers are not enough - Re: the Acceleration of Violent White Nationalism in the United States

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thoughts themselves are not terrorism. acting on those thoughts with an intent to harm others is. using words with ideas to bully and shame is a form of violence. thoughts put into words by a person who holds power can have influence many people. making laws that discriminate against a race or races because of fear or hatred and calling it "protection" is a form of hidden racism and prejudice.

if five people in the el paso mob had guns, and the normal people where running and screaming, and the shooter was hidden, who would those guns be aimed at? how many more people would have been shot on accident by people who might not ever have been trained to deal with a terrorist situation?



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Oh so normal citizens would murder more people during an active shooter?

Or should all people be disarmed and left to the mercy of a killer?

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I didnt say that, and im not getting into it with you. you can disagree respectfully and say why, but take your emo attitude elsewhere.

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it's a good point that we should train for terrorist situations. however, our collective discourse hasn't even come to terms with the fact that this is a terrorist situation. we still think the only terrorists are muslim radicals with planes, guns and bombs. It's an entrenched racially based silence centered around protecting the white male which refuses to acknowledge these acts as terrorism. the manifestos these people left behind clearly state the motives which are an effort to threaten, accelerate the wipe out of mexicans, muslims and jews on a mass scale in order to get back to a mostly white nation. that's terrorism against the non-white people of the united states who have every right to live here that we do.

i agree with you that thoughts aren't terrorism, but we've moved past this subset of the population merely thinking and we need to call a spade a spade: these are terrorists.

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its lost in context, but i wrote the first reply in response to creativetruths statement.

I have always thought these guys are terrorists. my second sentence: acting on those thoughts with an intent to harm others is (terrorism). and my third: using words with ideas to bully and shame is a form of violence.

I think we as a society know these guys are terrorists (those who arent in complete denial), but don't want to admit it because they are typically white, born on home soil, and could be someone we know. and that becomes a who can we trust? scenario. we are slowly becoming aware that we arent as innocent in the world theatre as we had once thought.

We are just starting to ask ourselves if our government uses tactics which provoke terrorrism, and if so, do they care? they seem to want to provoke civil unrest as an excuse to kill off the unwanteds. It's times like these that I revisit George Orwell's 1984 or Pink Floyd's Animals, and believe that they werent that far off the mark.

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I think we as a society know these guys are terrorists (those who arent in complete denial), but don't want to admit it because they are typically white, born on home soil, and could be someone we know. and that becomes a who can we trust? scenario.

indeed!

We are just starting to ask ourselves if our government uses tactics which provoke terrorrism, and if so, do they care?

i agree, on some level it seems intentional-- they obviously aren't decrying it or calling war against it like they did immediately after 9/11. guess we've nearly tapped all the oil here.

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