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Dear friend @LanzJoseG,

As in any sphere and with any new developments, humankind must act only with the highest ethical standards. Anything less, and problems arise.

So, in terms of AI, mankind has to be careful. We cannot cede any control to AI, nor to those who would use AI for evil ends. And if by chance AI "decides" not to follow our rules, then we have to change the AI.

I think that man has ethics which come from thousands and even millions of years of evolution and trying to survive and be the fittest.
If we manage to make a truly autonomous ai, it's ethics will be completely different from any human ideas, despite our best efforts to impose any of our own ideas. Look at what happened when God tried to impose ethics on humans, they were ignored, look at what happens when a parent tries to impose ethics on children, often they're ignored, and this is humans imposing ethics on other humans, when it's ai, a completely different form of life, it's going to be impossible.
Look at how humans treat animals, right now the earth is being destroyed and all animal life eradicated for the selfish sake of humans. Think what will happen to us when ai is created.

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Ethics has always a matter of debate. Even ethical values are not defined well and are also not universal in some cases. One thing may be ethical for a person but, that may not be a wise decision of him. For example in Mahabharata-a mythological saga and the biggest epic in world history, Bhishma did not marry because he promised this to the father of his step mother. He kept his words but that lead to a disastrous war in which all the Kaurav dynasty wiped out. There are so many example in world history and mythological stories in which ethical issues could not be solved. That problem will also come before the AI. Even AI may think that humans are the most unethical animals. So, it can also destroy us.

I typically relate ethics to agency (a rock has no agency, so no ethics). The question is, does AI have agency?
Without getting too deep into it, I don't think AI has agency but it's creators and deployers do.

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Other than steem posts, I do not pay any attention to the subject of ai. Someone is getting a segment of the population to care about it though. Maybe it is coming up in the "news."

I think Al is man-made so it depends on its creator, whether Al was created for good or just for other purposes😊

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Congratulations in advance, @lanzjoseg

It seems to me that this excerpt contains the key to the topic developed!

"However, AI can also be programmed so that this behavior is ignored but we fall into a loop that happens if artificial intelligence simply does not follow the rules and becomes totally autonomous in its decisions."

Since I started evaluating your post, I asked myself the question:

Will the man be able to use AI counterproductively?

Machine learning is a pattern that is encouraged by human intelligence, but at the time that man is able to ignore its limits and program information to the machine, which is not in line with the interests of humanity, that's when The problem will come.
Ethics characterizes the wise and prudent man, hopefully the ambition of power and control over the rest never leaves aside the virtue that represents ethics for the development of new technologies hand in hand with the preservation of the world order.

I hope this message could contribute to the forum!
@nachomolina

I usually understand ethics as a philosophical reflection of morality, hence I consider it a thing that is characteristic of self-aware entities, that is, all those "people" who have the ability to reflect on their actions, motives, desires , contexts and consequences.

This topic has been the subject of rich discussion not only in the academic field of philosophy and humanistic disciplines, but also in the literary genre of science fiction. If we submit this to a way of thinking inspired a little by Eco's ideas, in his book "Apocalyptic and Integrated," we can see that the positions can be divided among those who fear that AI becomes so human that it is capable of commenting on same atrocities that we comment on and may (due to fear) try to annihilate humans because they are very dangerous for their survival; as a counterpart, there are those who think that AI can be far superior to the human in the moral sense and turns out to be a transcendent existence, one that overcomes the limitations, fears and defects of humanity, opening the way for integration with the organic ones and providing an explosive evolution for the species ...

Surely it will be obvious to some colleagues that this last point of view is the one raised by the promoters of the ideas of transhumanism.

To conclude, as long as an existence is capable of being aware of itself and reflecting, I can accept that it is capable of developing an ethic, whether its material existence is based on organic, non-organic compounds or a mixture of both. Thus when AI is truly intelligent, the border between the "natural" and the "artificial" will be increasingly difficult to define.

This made me remember the transcendent movie

Interesting topic @lanzjoseg.

I don't view the situation under the equation you present because I see each of those words; "man, ethics, ai" ...as completely different classes (apples to oranges to pears).

I believe ethics (and morality) only pertain to individual man's interpretation of his own "self-interest" vs. "collective" (or non-self) interest. That is, ethics are a tool that help him assess his (and others') behavior as it balances between the poles of his own self-interest versus the self-interests of other men.

Artificial intelligence cannot apply to men and it cannot equate to man's intelligence... and the two different intelligences therefore can never equate. "Artificial intelligence" will always simply be shorthand for a complex series of cause and effect relationships based on a program "logic." Human intelligence includes something additional that "logic" can never encompass... "observed" self-awarenes. Yes, a programmed AI can simulate awareness... and it can simulate observation, but it can never achieve either through true ungoverned "meta-cognition." This part of my argument is of course, debatable... and I must admit that my argument draws from experiential (non-provable) subjectivity and belief in a separate and individual soul which AI governed machines have not (yet) developed.

AI's do not have a "self" (in the human "soul" sense) and thus are more akin to collections of cooperating cells which do not share a central governance.... they do not have a developed "self."

If one makes the counter-argument that AI does not require "self" or "soul" to apply "ethics" to it's own behavior, I would then say that without "self," ethics has no function or application because ethics ARE about one's relation of behavior in benefit of "self" to that of the "others" (non-self).

What is "self?" ...if it's stated that a human's sense of self is also artificial, then, ethics as a moral question, again, is irrelevant as humans are then simply governed "programs" made up of complex cause and effect chains as well. Ethics involve a question of choice. We tend to operate under the assumption that humans (with a "soul") have choice, and that AI's, as a result of "program logic" don't truly have choices... and we tend to define ethics and "choices."

/opinion

@lanzjoseg, In my opinion it will be great if we will not see the Development of Artificial Intelligence but in a way it's reflecting as impossible.

Hi @lanzjoseg

Topics related to AI have been fascinating me for quite sometime already. And fascination comes along with fear about out future. I'm mostly afraid how will AI impact our human behaviours in the future.

Putting words "Ethics" next to AI doesn't seem to make much sense to me. I would rather think that AI will blindly follow algorythms that it's build on. And some sort of "behaviour code" surely would be introduced ... but ethics? ehm, I'm not sure ...

Anyway solid read so ....
Upvote on the day :)

Yours, Piotr

Hello my dear @lanzjoseg, thanks for the invitation.

Man = Ethics = AI

For me it is very difficult to say because of my limited knowledge in this area of philosophy and complicated things, what I can say is that, according to my appreciation it should be Man - Ethics - Artificial Intelligence, I think that man will always have control of AI, I don't believe in those fanciful hypotheses that affirm that AI will evolve and be independent of man, developing autonomous thoughts and feelings, she will continue to do what man teaches her, and it is man's responsibility as far as this can go.

Thank you professor, you are a very wise guy. Blessings!

I once read somewhere that AI feeds on Man's behavior

Love this quote. Both Stanford and MIT intro to computers courses describes them as magic boxes in that often times we do not fully understand their processes. If that's true then what will future thinkers be comparing AI to in terms of something from the past?

• Un robot no hará daño a un ser humano o, por inacción, permitirá que un ser humano sufra daño.
• Un robot debe cumplir las órdenes dadas por los seres humanos, a excepción de aquellas que entrasen en conflicto con la primera ley.
• Un robot debe proteger su propia existencia en la medida en que esta protección no entre en conflicto con la primera o con la segunda ley.

De alguna manera las Tres Leyes de la Robótica contribuyen a esclarecer este dilema entre Etica y AI, aún cuando el comportamiento humano pudiera desviarse de los lineamientos éticos, la AI debería estar ser capaz de reconocer estas anomalías para no repetirlas. Sin embargo, es un tema bastante complejo y que puede prestarse para generar mucha confusión.

Saludos amigo @lanzjoseg!

I believe they might have a mind of their own like in the movies

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As long as we are still in control of AI I think ethically we should be ok. Great post upvoted for visibility

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Greetings and thank you for the invite,
I appreciate a good read,
As per my opinion, Ethics is just one part of man where man has also beliefs and rules that he may follow or not, otherwise, others will do it just the same.
Like scientists or mechanics that create remote-controlled cars, they usually do this because of their jobs, otherwise, if they do not work on it others will do it.
Regards