RE: Open Letter to Dr. Andrew Kaufman
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a proper economic calculation with prices
how do you or anybody know where what is needed at the moment if that thing isnt allowed to rise in price there, not even allowed to have a price at all?
where is the feedback?
except of some internet bots claiming something to be on some social media?
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Pricing means money. If there is no need for money, there is no need for pricing. The rest is irrelevant, as it deals with money which We don't need. I mean, if You want to put something up for a price, You're welcome to it, but Most will be getting what They need and want freely. Created by Ones who LOVE to create it and receive Your thanks for doing so, or robots.
What "feedback" do You need? Why are bots drawn in here?
oh boy
of course pricing means money
without money, no prices
and without prices, NO PRODUCTION
cuz without prices HOW DO YOU CALCULATE?
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if somewhere is a higher need for a specific ressource or component, price goes up
in ur utopia are no prices
so you have no fucking clue WHERE to transport WHAT
great
so you have a lot of stuff/ ressources (which are very limited) at the wrong fucking place
why not just let it regulate itself?
cuz market is evil?
People put in orders, the needs are calculated, and the products created and delivered. All could be automated, but if there are People who LOVE to do that work, They can do it along side any robots needed to fill in.
What You are struggling with, it would seem, is the idea that We do not need money to co-create vastly better on Our planet.
And... It is not a "utopia." There will still be problems, but, as the governance is via Ethically solving for problems, I do not doubt the problems will be solved. And to be sure, if a problem affects You, You WILL be motivated to solve for it.
Solutocracy: https://odysee.com/@amaterasusolar:8/solutocracy:c?lid=eeff9e0c80138ce03e22d76bcd5f2f873ff46b72
I'm looking forward for that system you seem to promote - especially cuz I cannot even imagine how that should work, especially by noone needing to work and build that system, and not end in a technocracy by some few owning everything (and maybe what you tell works for those few) and the rest not even being able to sustain their own life (already now very hard - and why? cuz the manipulation of the money ["for the good!"] already makes calculation nearly impossible - so ressources are not allocated how they are needed)
vastly better co-creation?
so I need to trade the whole day until I get some food for my new painting - it is not a short steps like: painting -> money & money -> food
very efficient and I can absolutely paint more by not being able to paint the whole day or starving
No... You may have food all You want. But if You want appreciation, thanks, admiration, and other positive social currencies, You might want to do something that makes things better for Others - like smiling, painting a picture They love, inventing a solution to a problem, working to help out in an emergency, or whatever else that You can do.
You might want to read My novella for a feel for what it would look like. I posted it all here and it's free:
The Abundance Paradigm: https://tapyoureit.boards.net/thread/242/abundance-paradigm-novella
wtf are you talking about
"You may have food all You want."
so it doesnt grow but just magically appears
people starve
people freeze
even in europe, this winter
What if... The People who LOVE to farm and robots did the food production? The farmers gaining status for the quality of Their produce, and the robot designers and builders gaining lauds for who well the robots work?
And robots deliver the goods as they are announced on the web and People order them.
And just how You think, with free energy, People will freeze is beyond Me.
you live in a parallel universe
No... I just know that money accounts for Our energy added, it is used mainly to chain Us to jobs that, overall, benefit the psychopaths at the top while We handle the food/clothing/shelter for the "masters" with the tokens We manage to get.
And that We have the tech to remove that archaic and VERY dangerous tool.
We can live richly, in the vast abundance of Our planet. Much like They did on "island paradises" where They had an abundance of all They needed, and where money never arose. Where social currencies motivated People - the appreciation, thanks, respect, attention, reputation, love, lauds, fame, and Self satisfaction were the coin.
not money makes the need for pricing but the need for calculation makes the need for pricing, which makes the need for money
or would you like to give me ur gaming pc for a sandwich?
Why do You need to price things to calculate need? That makes no sense. I don't have to price the food My family needs to know how much I need. I only need to price it to determine whether I can AFFORD what I need. (And why would I need the money of a gaming pc in a society that does not need to account for the energy They add?)
cuz if at some place something is needed more, while there is not more there right then, price goes up and incentivises people to bring that there
this is how it works
i think we live in different worlds and your gaming pc comes from the trees..
do you really think if we just had no money
that would solve the problems?
without money, especially true (in the sense of organically appearing) prices
you can calculate shit
if you can't calculate, you wont survive the winter
good luck
But there's no "price" involved. So how can it go up? You are not grasping a world where We do not have to account for the energy We add in order to afford to live on Our planet.
And no. I think I said problems will still be there, and linked one of My vids. And specifically what is it You think needs "calculating?"
yeah bro
even with free energy tech
you cannot eat more apples than there are on ur tree
and also not after they're rotten away again
as said, I am looking forward
how you will build a system with noone working or even calculating for it
why do you even take hive?
you need calculation so you know what is worth working for
or you build ghost towns like china
Of course We cannot consume more than is available, but even presently, and without new tech like vertical farming, We produce about 125% of the food We all could eat, but about 30-40% goes to waste, spoiling before sale - leaving Many hungry. With the web, We can ensure food goes where it's needed/wanted when it is fresh, not having to worry about anyOne "affording" it.
And We will surely work. But the work We will do will be the work We LOVE to do. Inventing, building, directing, entertaining, creating beauty, teaching, healing, problem-solving. And calculating too. Some actually LOVE to do it...and will be paid in high praise, reputation, and more.
I don't "take" Hive. I ignore what is put in My "hive bucket." I just don't care.
And We know what is worth working for by the problems We see and what betters things for Others.
sounds like another socialistic genocide
How do You figure? It's not socialist, because there is no "authorities" deciding if You "deserve" things. It is a society of Ethical sovereigns. Full freedom within the three Laws of Ethics (Natural Law expressed as the three things not to do).
And it's surely quite the opposite of genocide. It will allow Us ALL to live as richly as We choose. Not force slavery on Us in the form of "wages." Where We have to schlep to a job We are bored with, don't like, or downright hate so as to afford to live on Our planet, the wealth of which belongs to Us but the psychopaths have put it in "trusts," Themselves the "trustees," and keep Us slaving in the wage-chains, while Our "trusts" are valued in the multimillions - and perhaps billions.
So You think Us all living richly, doing what We love to do, freed from the bondage of accounting for Our energy added is...GENOCIDE???
Ik
so you think just dreaming about some utopia shit will help us?
how will it change ANYTHING? especially with noone doing anything?
yea, it sounds like big socialistic bullshit
like always
first get ur free energy
then you realize you cannot give that tech out cuz it will immediately be used for the worst, not as you propose
we are stuck and just dreaming about "how well everything COULD be" doesnt change shit
it's just a naive socialistic dream
good luck
I am not "just dreaming." It is NOT a "utopia" (just VASTLY better than what We have now - by leaps, bounds, and wormhole trips).
It will change the power structure radically and where are You getting the idea no One will do anything???
And it's clear You have much to learn. Good luck.