Out of the Nest

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I remember taking this shot, although it must be from about a decade ago. It was sitting on an old tree stump, as my then-fiancé and I walked from the train station to Bakken in Denmark, the oldest amusement park in the world. The idea of a "nest egg" came to mind, though at the time I wasn't writing anything at all.

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I remember an old bank advert from back in Australia, where there was a golden egg sitting in a nest, talking about retirement. At the time, I wasn't thinking that much about retirement at all, though a couple of my teachers (both math teachers) had gone through the calculations as to how much they would need in the bank to be able to retire, and comfortably live off the interest. It was around a million dollars at the time, because that would have attracted around eight percent interest, so after tax, around 50k a year. That was about 20-30 percent more than a teacher was getting at the time, before tax.

I was reading a story today that was talking about how expensive life is in Australia, where some people who are earning 200,000 a year as a family, are struggling to do more than "live" with their income. One was saying that their mortgage was 12,000 a month.

How things have changed.

To cover just the mortgage, a person would need to have to have 5 million in the bank to have the interest pay it off. Factor in the cost of living, and they might need another four or five million to live fully off the interest. Whilst that is around 10x the amount, the average salary has only doubled in that time frame.

A lot of people don't seem to understand why wages have grown so slowly in comparison to the costs of living, but it is pretty obvious when you think about it. Percentage wise, there are more people working than there were fifty or sixty years ago, and the types of jobs we are doing have changed. There are obviously a lot more women in the workforce, so there are more two income families. But, demand doesn't increase that much on many goods and services for a family, despite there being two incomes, so prices can increase and soak up the "excess" from households until an equilibrium is reached.

This means that wages don't increase as fast as the cost of living. But, culture has also changed, which means that there are a lot more single people, living in a high-cost environment, and that creates additional problems. For instance, there are increasing pressures on housing availability in many countries, and many blame immigration, which is part of the issue, but it is more than that.

This is a chart of "single person households" in the US since 1960:

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That is quite a massive increase of around 500%, but the population of the country has only doubled in that same time span. And, it is similar in Australia, where just in the five years from 2016 to 2021, the total number of households increased by almost a million.

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But with declining birthrates, it is in the 1- and 2- person households that there are the largest increases by far. This means that in those five years, just in the single person households, an additional 350,000 residences were in demand. Factor in divorces, another cultural change over the last 60 years, and it is pretty obvious that there are more factors in play than immigration. Immigration is just another stressor on top, and remember that the numbers that they report in the news, are total migration, including temporary visas, which make up about 75% of the migration. Of course, people on temporary visas need a place to stay too.

And then on top of this, take a look at the average household spending compared to that of a couple generations ago. Back "in the day" there were no subscriptions, very little entertainment, very few travel vacations and most of what was spent, was spent on something tangible. Now, a lot of the monthly spending goes on digital life, gadgets, services, applications and access. And, most of that kind of spending returns nothing we can trade, it doesn't increase the value of our house, it doesn't improve our skillsets to earn more, it isn't an investment. It is just a monthly expense.

And, on top of this, the tangibles have increased too, where more people are buying "stuff" on terms, whereas in the past it was just a house on a loan. Spending debt on cars, electronics, holidays, clothes, and whatever still fits on a credit card, means that servicing loans is an increasing percentage of outgoing money flows, which over time reduces spending.

When it comes to building a nest egg for retirement, the most important part of it is to go in debt-free, so that there are no ongoing obligations. In the past, this was easier, because there was not only more purchasing power for the dollar, but also less to spend the dollar on. This meant that a lot of people either paid off their mortgage, or saved their money with a decent interest rate, so it was working for them, just collecting in the background. So when they retired, they had their house covered, no debt, and a lumpsum in the bank, still earning, eve without investing into something like the stock market directly.

The fact for most people is, it is impossible to maintain the current lifestyle most are living, and build an adequate nest egg for retirement. Like it or not, people generally have to choose which is more important to them, the lifestyle in the moment now, or the lifestyle over the course of their entire lifetime. For many, they are choosing the now approach, because the future approach doesn't come with a dopamine boost.

I was talking to a new colleague the other day, an ex-pat Australian living in Europe, and he has been shocked when he has gone back to Australia on holiday as to the change in prices. He lives and earns in one of the most expensive countries in Europe, but he wouldn't shop in Australia. However, when he didn't buy some boots because they were too expensive, his sister said "just put it on the credit card". It is this mentality that is holding so many people back.

When prices went up in the past, people would cut back their spending, but now, they increase their debt. This leads to a very different outcome over time, as that debt service becomes spending, meaning that not only can't you buy what you want, you have to pay more for what you have already bought, and likely already forgotten.

The global economy is not only broken, it is on the precipice of collapse, and perhaps we have to let it collapse to learn another lesson about economics. But, if we want to build something better, we have to actually do something different, and stop relying on debt to maintain our lifestyles and instead, restructure our lives so that we have the habits that generate value, not bleed it.

Bakken might be the oldest amusement park in the world, but in recent years, there has been a massive shift in how much we spend on entertainment, and the things that make us "feel good" in the short term. Yet, how are we feeling a little bit later, when interest rates are rising, cost of living is rising, and we are unable to make ends meet?

They say, don't put all your eggs in one basket.
But I would add, especially if that basket has no return value.

Taraz
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I think a lot of it has to do with where you live too. I mean our mortgage is right around $900 a month and that is with our taxes and insurance rolled into an escrow account, so really the monthly payment for just the house is right around $700. Like you said, getting rid of debt is a big deal and I think even with things being the way they are these days, I could still live off the interest on $1M. In my area anyway.

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I think a lot of it has to do with where you live too.

Where and what. One of my colleagues asked in a work group chat about houses "up to x amount", which is about twice the price of the house my wife and I bought. Most people (not in the chat) were like "really?" - I have no idea what their financial situation is, but it is either a hell of a lot better than most people, or they are going to max their loan amount.

btw, when did you guys buy?

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My wife and I were just talking about that. We bought nine years ago. We would actually like to downsize at some point. 1600 SQ Feet is just too much house for the two of us.

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Yes. My wife and I will do the same at some point too, but hopefully it will be a handover to our daughter of this place, and then a move into a little cottage by the lake or sea.

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That sounds like a perfect plan!

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It’s crazy how some people just go into it all depending on the social safety net of retirement items paid for by the government and they are largely penniless otherwise. It’s a dangerous thing and in many ways intentional because they toss seniors out lately in favor of others which is wrong.

We are trying to do what we can to go into retirement when we get there debt free. It’s a huge part of being retired since you don’t have consistent income sources, at least conventional ones. Then you’re always drawing on what you had saved. It’s a tough situation for sure but there has to be improvements in how people prepare themselves for it. I think we are going to see a wave of helpless people and that will hopefully foster a better conversation about how we do this stuff and help people make changes in their lives to fix these foolish issues.

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It’s a dangerous thing and in many ways intentional because they toss seniors out lately in favor of others which is wrong.

They are talking about raising the retirement age again in Finland, whilst cutting the pensions. Remember that the pensions are things that people were convinced to put into, because of the return when they retired - now they are saying that "the return we convinced you with is no longer applicable, now that you can't do anything about it"

It’s a tough situation for sure but there has to be improvements in how people prepare themselves for it

We have created a world where people crowdsource funeral costs, and medical needs. Those helpless people are already here - but the group is going to grow rapidly.

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Living expenses not just in Australia, but in some of the countries like Asia and part of Europe has been casted with the same picture. People far too often have to suffer to add some dollars to their bank account or cards.

I think this approach really works at a moment, when one passes 10 years of service to a job. Already started to raise a family and debts to some extent have created an impression.

Filling the debt, and continuing to build a financial journey upto the age of retirement and hoping for a secure financial future should be the aim of every considerate person, being cognizant of the reality.

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The problem with the financial future, is that governments and corporations are the ones who control it. Building into their model, means risking them extracting more of it without any way to stop it.

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I'm surprised at such high prices. I don’t understand why in one country a chicken costs 10 euros and in another 1-2 euros. In my opinion, this is not a matter of high taxes.

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Supply and demand and money markets. If everyone was using bitcoin, over time it would all balance.

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This is why the younger generation are not having babies anymore. They barely have enough for themselves. For those starting out, their wages are too low and it is impossible to save for anything much. Most are just one major sickness away from bankruptcy. I agree that something's got to change. I just hope it isn't too late before that happens.

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This is why the younger generation are not having babies anymore. They barely have enough for themselves.

Perhaps this is also one of the issues, because they only have to look out for themselves. I am far better with my finances as a parent, than when I was not. The consequences of being bad with money are far greater with a child, so one has to learn. As a single person, I could be bad, and just go a bit hungry.

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Perhaps this is also one of the issues, because they only have to look out for themselves

I think the actual thing is, they CAN only look after themselves. Having a baby costs a lot. My sister has one and she discussed this a lot. Diapers, wipes, food, etc. When one is barely getting by on their own, adding another mouth to feed is out of the question. And it's not like it ends there. There's tuition, their checkups, vaccinations, and medical stuff.

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The prices of things is just going up way too much compared to the wages. I have a feeling it has to do more with the government spending and giving money to their friends than anything else. Anything else that trickles down to us is barely anything at all. It's a thing that is happening all over the world and I blame the government for it.

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I have a feeling it has to do more with the government spending and giving money to their friends than anything else.

This is a consequence of a broken economy, as well as broken governance. They are able to line their pockets as others suffer, but convince the people that this is the way it has to be, it is natural...

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Dear @tarazkp !

I remember you said that you would spend your golden years around the Mediterranean!
How much do you think you need for your retirement savings? I think US$1 million is enough.

By the way, Do you plan to pass on the house your family currently lives in to smallsteps in the future?
I think you are a devoted father!😃

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If completely debt free, 1M is enough if already at retirement age. It doesn't mean I can retire now though with that.

Yes, I plan on leaving her everything.

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"just put it on the credit card".

It is scary how poisonous and dangerous this mindset is. if people don't have the money now what makes them believe that they will have it later?

Also this battle was awesome.

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if people don't have the money now what makes them believe that they will have it later?

People are optimistic about their future, even though their past indicates they shouldn't be.

Lol - it looked like you were going to lose that until the last round or two :)

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But why is is that some people can buy a particular commodity for $10 while they can buy it in another country for $5?
But it’s the same product

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Because, the economy is broken, so nothing is priced well. Having the differences allows for corporate advantage. Even software is priced differently by region.

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Economies in the west are doomed and their destiny is to fall, prices increase, birth rate collapsing, soon there won't be money to pay for oldies who retired, same for health care, and so on

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